Zille points finger at Cope for PE loss

2011-05-19 21:20

Pretoria - The collapse of the Congress of the People was the reason why ANC won the Nelson Mandela Bay, Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille said on Thursday.

"If Cope had retained the overall results [from the previous election], we would have easily been able to retain Nelson Mandela Bay. The reason we lost is because of the collapse of Cope," Zille said during her walkabout at the Independent Electoral Commission's results centre in Pretoria.

In the last election, Cope took about 17% of the votes. This time around, the ANC's breakaway party had some 35 000 votes, which was close to 5% - still subject to finalisation.

Zille visited the metro about five times campaigning ahead of the elections on Wednesday.

Besides the overall loss, Zille said the DA had done "fabulously well" as they pushed up from the 20% margin.

She said her party would in future bolster votes by keeping the same attitude and enthusiasm.

"We are going to build on this fantastic results. We will follow the same recipe, be positive all the time, bringing people together, governing well, delivering services where we govern, all those things" she said smiling.

On a positive side, the DA managed to win one ward in the metro. This was the same ward where Zille complained voters were being given only one ballot paper instead of two.

The Independent Electoral Commission's Eastern Cape provincial electoral officer Bongani Sinca said on Thursday that 99.6% of the votes had been counted in the metro, with 82.8% verified, scanned and audited.

"The results of the metro are known on the basis of what has been captured," Sinca said in East London on Thursday afternoon.

Despatch, along with Port Elizabeth and Uitenhage, is one of the three towns that make up the metro, which was won by the ANC.

The DA and Cope had hoped to unseat the ruling party in the metro by forming a coalition, but Zille said Sapa this was "pointless" as more than 50% went in ANC's favour.

According to the IEC, the ANC had won 51.91% of the vote, the Democratic Alliance 40.24% and the Congress of the People 4.95% by 17:30.

  • Chang Yi - 2011-05-19 21:29

    Why pointing finger @ Cope!!! You are both losers at National level...Did you not see it coming you bloody agent!!!! ANC rules for life Period!!!!!

      Grant - 2011-05-19 21:37

      DA vote increased from 20% to over 40% since last elections - guess what I see coming for the next elections. If the ANC rules for life, remember that the average SA life expectancy has declined under ANC rule - the writing is on the wall you bloody fool. Period!!!!

      Bandleader - 2011-05-19 21:40

      The only reason the ANC rules is because the ignorant masses who keep voting for them think they actually have a plan.

      Lestor - 2011-05-19 21:42

      Do you understand that a political party is not a soccer team, being loyal to one party is in fact a bad thing. This goes out to you DA supporters as well. Being loyal to any one party is the worst thing you can do.

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-05-19 22:29

      What she says is true. All the COPE supporters buggered off back to the ANC. So if COPE had stayed afloat then the ANC would have lost even more support then it did. Anyway, the ANC loses 2 or 3% every election, and the DA gains 5 or 6. Do the maths - the DA is gonna overtake the ANC at some point.

      SA_Rocks - 2011-05-20 07:21

      ANC will always be the Top DOG!! and stay at the TOP!! WHY & HOW??? they will continue to keep the Poor People of this country poor and uneducated - once u educate an individual he starts to think and ask questions - and then the ANC will be in trouble because then things start to make sense(logic) to the individual and he is no longer pulled by the nose and dangling carrot or using the ancestors will no longer work - cause he is no a free thinker

      Louis - 2011-05-20 07:41

      Chang, I think u need to wake up and be more aware of what is happening. We want and need to create a better society. ANC don't have the skills or enthusaism to carry this through. We need someone who can, (Insanity:- doing the same things over and over and expecting different results).

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-20 10:49

      So we all have to suffer their incompetence for life? I don't think so...

      vandermerwe.martin - 2011-05-20 10:58

      230 generations behind.....comments shows

      Siya - 2011-05-20 11:04

      Madam, you got it wrong... the mere existance of Cope is what made you to even increase your vote in Nelson Mandela Bay. If the Cope had never happened, you would still be a branch not even the regional organisation that you are. da will never rule P.E. never never never... worse Eastern Cape.

      EYESAY - 2011-05-20 11:29

      What kind of a name is Chang Yi anyway? Thank heavens you aren't in politics.....otherwise I would feel sorry for SA.

      Phutie - 2011-05-20 12:11

      most people on this forum are white and pro DA they do not reason they just have ANC and black period.I wish they can be educated as they claim that those who vote ANC are illiterate.what a shame.VIVA ANC VIVA

      jb - 2011-05-20 14:06

      Zille accept you lost. Don't be a cry baby titi.

  • bjanks - 2011-05-19 21:51

    As a young white South African male, I feel let down by my country of birth. I believe this is not a place where white people are welcome... Now that I have a son I feel he two has no future here. Thats why I am leaving the country and taking my hard work and skills else where... You might not think you need us here but one day you will wake up when its to late! Keep your blind folds on and vote as you do for the rest of your life... I was to young to even know what Apartheid was and now I feel reverse apartheid as the white male is last on the list. Thats why a go to a place where colour is not the issue and governance is!!!

      GT - 2011-05-19 22:05

      taking your ball and leaving the park...

      Paradoks - 2011-05-19 22:07

      OH, FFS, cry me a river. If I have to live under an oppressive and incompetent ANC I will, because this my only home. And yours too. I'd rather die unhappy here, than pretending to be happy anywhere else. If you resign yourself to your fate (being white AND African) this is not a bad place to be. Stay and fight for change. Or go and disappear into the desperately conforming masses overseas.

      Chang Yi - 2011-05-19 22:11

      Am Sorry Bjanks...but it is what it now and will even worsen when we will manage to nationalize the mines and the farms...Nigeria as a country is doing very well economically, they are blacks too...If they can do it why can't we? please don't make it sound like we are totally uneducated at all. If need be for the skills, we will hire foreign Europeans to work here..they are many of them wanting to work in Africa and they are all over Africa already...

      Dundermoose - 2011-05-19 22:25

      @Chang Yi Nigeria!! You are using Nigeria as a model of prosperity??? Really!!?? The same Nigeria that is know internationally for internet scams and drug dealing. The same Nigeria where the Muslim north and Christian south are bombing the crap out of each other on a daily basis. If that is what you think SA should aspire to then I am very, very worried! Then again, maybe you didn't think this arguement through properly...

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-05-19 22:26

      Yeah Chang Yi . I agree with Dundermoose. You're a moron!

      Paolo - 2011-05-19 22:30

      The only reason I will leave this country is if it is no longer safe to live here. As far as work goes, it's true us white males are at the bottom of the list. However; there is no list that can keep me down. I'm talented and hard working and at the end of the day that will always shine through.

      Enough! - 2011-05-19 22:32

      And the grass is greener there? And what about the years of apartheid where black and coloured people struggled! But you have so much more going for yourself! Stop trying to make of yourself and do yourself! And if you also so stupid to think that the ANC will rule till Jesus comes then I maybe it better you go because they wont! We are beginning to see the end of them! The ANC have become the mirror of the Apartheid government and in many ways almost no better but they will also not last! The writting is already on the wall! You think the ANC will last? You think they not having problems! I have news for you! Watch! Much more than they can handle and will soon become more relevant!

      Brewster - 2011-05-19 23:01

      FFS Chang Yi, Why are you here? Probably an outcast in your ouwn country (that is if you are from where your name suggests, you could also be a bloody agent from here in which case you are as useless as your name suggests.) Go back to your own country. Ok, probably not welcom there. In which case we want you to just leave... to anywhere....just go....quickly.

      Lerato - 2011-05-20 05:40

      I was here during apartheid and I am here now. I do believe we all have a future. We need you bjanks, but if there is better opportunity somewhere, then take it. I would. We all want better for our children and if another country offers that then you must ensure the future for your children. We as a nation need to stop blaming and get on with making a future for ourselves - we can no longer blame our white rulers 17 years on for all of the problems that exist. It is up to us to make changes in our minds - the rest will follow. We cannot blame all ills on the current government either. If there was another party in power, there would be little change. Too many people have too many mouths to feed. Too many here are expecting to have what others have without putting in the hard work. There is a price for success and that price is hard work. Good luck in your new place bjanks. You are young. I do not criticize you for exploring opportunties.

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-20 10:53

      Well Paradoks bjanks as a child to think of. That's where his loyalties lie first and foremost. With people getting their throats slit in their homes like sheep... sorry but I'm not going to carry on taking that chance either! I'd rather pay 30% taxes in a country where I get to enjoy the benefits and am not just made the scapegoat everytime something goes wrong!

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-20 11:01

      Chang Yi, Nigeria is wealthy because of oil. But again only the well-connected do well. I made a good friend while living in London who is from Nigeria and we compared stories about back home. To be honest I'd rather live here, where people aren't killed at voting time for voting the 'wrong' way! We think we have problems with corruption? He knew of someone who broke down and went to the police for help.. they robbed and killed him and buried him in the police station grounds. Fortunately the family was connected with the army who went in and found him.. Or they would never have known. My point is every country has problems but other than crime and a useless government I think we the South African people have it pretty good! Now if South Africans could just be entrepreneurial and take advantage of the opportunities around them instead of sitting back and waiting for someone else to sort it out.. then we would all be enjoying a much better life.

      African'shtr - 2011-05-20 12:10

      Chang Yi maybe you wanted to say Algeria instead of nigeria, ask people from there they will, ask your self why 15% of our country's population its those people, then thus when you'll realise that that country is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. I would'nt like to share a place with a nigerian. south africa is the richest country in the world but we don't know how to use that opportunity because our government is not competent enough to do so, all they do is chowing our money and enjoy luxurious life at a cost of the citizens

      Matt - 2011-05-20 15:55

      @ bjanks - I hear you... but where is overseas for you? I come from England, believe me the UK is a disaster zone and, as a Brit, I tell you it's a sh1thole. I also grew up in Holland and if you like being told how to live life, then fair enough... overseas is not always greener! Even with the corrupt ANC and their (mostly) idiot voters, SA is still a nice place. BTW, to date I have never been out of work in SA and never denied a job because I'm white. That aside, if the sh1t hits the fan, I still won't return to the UK - but maybe somewhere else, as I'm getting worried with the likes of Malema still breathing and now this twerp Faku in PE wanting to burn down the newspaper printers and hating white people - and the ANC doing nothing about it, let alone charge them...

  • HopefulXpat - 2011-05-19 21:55

    Madam Zille has a point. Cope is very important for the South African democracy since they give black voters still carrying scars from Apartheid an alternative to the ANC. I really hope they can pull their act together and hold their next conference without throwing chairs at each other.

      chinyoli - 2011-05-19 22:59

      The problem with madam Zille logic is the same, blame a black man for all the ills.....while make sure the colourds and whites never vote for a blackman. It is pure polorisation of a society not democracy.....

      HopefulXpat - 2011-05-20 07:52

      My friend, listen closely... The ANC has arguably done as much harm to the black population as the old NP has. Through idiotic legislation like blind affirmative action, children's grants and shoddy RDP housing they have created a crippling culture of entitlement. Blacks are told to just sit back and receive and, if you manage to get into politics, that it is OK to use corrupt methods to enrich yourself. After all, you deserve it after the oppression... This culture of entitlement kills all black initiative and keeps them in shoddy townships. But most importantly, it polarizes the society, as you remarked. The whites get angry because they work their asses off, pay lots of tax and see this tax money lining politicians' pockets, creating thousands of AIDS infected babies through children's grants and just sustaining a massive black population hopelessly pacified by the culture of entitlement. Blacks, on the other hand, see the white man getting richer because the system now forces him to take some real initiative and work really hard. He walks past the luxurious houses in the rich white suburbs on his way back to his shack and cannot help but feel oppressed and disgruntled. In the end whites are angry at blacks and blacks are angry at whites and it is all the ANC's doing. Cope left the ANC because the ANC had completely lost their moral compass. This was brilliant, but Lekota and Shilowa have messed up big time. I really hope they pull their act together. SA needs them.

      African'shtr - 2011-05-20 12:18

      HopefulXpat Affirmative Action and Black Economic Empowerment is not a problem, the only problem is when people start to use them as an advantage to perform all the wrongs. also the apartheid people performed the same when we both doing the same job but getting defferent salaries at the end of the month, so guys we need to support what is right and start working together as a nation.

  • Ryan - 2011-05-19 22:12

    @Lestor: True, we should never vote based on loyalty. We should cast our votes for the party that earns them. For now though, it's not a tough choice whom I should vote for!

  • Francois - 2011-05-19 22:51

    Well done Helen and team, great job. I do however think that the statement "...would in future bolster votes by keeping the same attitude and enthusiasm..." is not necessary - excellent service delivery as a distinctive competitive edge will lure the votes. You just have to sell on the same basis of see what we have done in Cape/Midvaal/Baviaans/ and now a few new places? Nothing to beat excellent service delivery, transparency (open tender adjudication) and eradication of corruption. Once you have that, you only need to hang it high on the mast for all to see and be jealous enough to vote DA. Stunning job done!!! Ol'boeta Gwede earlier today (on rueing Midvaal) said that they should've worked harder there during the campaign - wrong! They should've delivered, that's all that is required! Hope you girls take a few days off to catch up on some sleep.

      Johnny - 2011-05-20 08:10

      a pity we all cannot live in the western cape as i can see a few more municipalities there being models in the next election campaign , i would bet on the western cape municipalities to be 90 % represented in the top 20 municipalities , just a pity all the voters do not realize that , and the few that is in anc hands with marginal majority do you think the DA will form coalittions to deliver better services ?at the end of the day anc will claim the price

  • Lerato - 2011-05-20 04:13

    Chang Yi is obsessed with his own grievances...runs with the fox and hunts with the hounds...always banging on about WHITES and how they seem to have been responsible for his choices in life. He has a few but exercises none of them, clearly - except to rant and lay blame for all of his problems on others.

  • Lerato - 2011-05-20 04:42

    Chang Yi, you are as Chinese as me bru. Probably sitting pretty outside the country, making stupid comments and benefitting from capitalism. Use your time wisely and go and do a course in agriculture, so that when you succeed in nationalizing the farms, you know how to feed yourself and maybe grow a bit extra to sell on the side of the road, so that you can buy a nice car, with shiny wheels and pimping speakers. Good luck. Hire some Nigerians to help you on your farm. I grew up poor, under the apartheid regime. I held down three jobs when at school, then a kind white person saw my effort and helped me with funding for university. I studied and gave myself choices. Education is the best weapon. It is said that we are the sum of our choices - you choose to be a fool. The price for foolishness is one that none of us can afford. Peace be upon you.

      Brewster - 2011-05-20 06:45

      Lerato, you excelled above your curcumstances. Well done. I wish upon you prosperity and blessings, so that you can be a blessing for others.

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-20 11:04

      I'm impressed Lerato. That kind person gave you an opportunity but the hard work from day one was all yours.. keep on trucking! I honestly believe we make our own luck. If you put good vibes out and be good to people no matter what their position it all comes back to you.

      Phutie - 2011-05-20 12:24

      why insult Chang Yi for his choices,just because u were educated by a white person doesn't mean they are may find that the very white person funded your education was abusing blacks.Stop calling people names because of their opinion.I wonder which university did you attend cos I'm not convinced.what about freedom of speech.

      Matt - 2011-05-20 15:58

      @ Lerato - if I knew how to say "respect to you sister, what a great example you are" in your language, I would... but I can't. So just know, respect sister! What a great example you are... :-)

  • leonard williams - 2011-05-20 05:55


  • China Expat - 2011-05-20 06:44

    Chang Yi is not a Chinese national, he is obviously ashamed of who he is so he has to pretend to be someone else. I live in China and don't know one person here or in SA that supports or would be stupid enough to support the ANC, most of the Chinese living in SA have been affected by crime and are not stupid enough to vote ANC if they had the vote, not like the rest of the ANC sheep who bleat about poor service delivery then continue to vote for the people who dont deliver.. WILL THEY NEVER LEARN, IT SEEMS STUPIDITY IS HEREDITARY.

      Phutie - 2011-05-20 12:27

      Democracy dude,why insult people because they voted for ANC,go home and study kung fu or tai chi

      Matt - 2011-05-20 15:59

      I hear you, but China isn't exactly a place where you can vote...

  • Bluemas - 2011-05-20 07:14

    Losers lost as usual

      biskit - 2011-05-20 08:19

      But the tides are changing my uninformed friend - People are slowly starting to see the light - Education is key - Sevice Delivery MUST and will come first in days to come. I'm not Pro ANC and not Pro DA both messed up but the Party who delivers will win in the end regardless of Race - We're all people and we are a new age!! Be gone with Racism that died in 1994

  • Dawie - OnePeter 2 - 2011-05-20 08:13

    Watching some comments regarding the politics make me just realize again.. there is a whole generation of people in our coutry that should pass away before we will really START with a democratic society..

  • revolution - 2011-05-20 08:27

    You ANC people voted for your corrupt mates! ANC are evils and doing witchcrafts...

      tsek - 2011-05-20 11:01

      Bhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......u such a m*ron did ur forefather tell u before they die..."tsek"

  • tsek - 2011-05-20 10:55

    Once a loser always a loser u m*ron y point fingers now u idiot son of a gun........U will neva eva be a president or a mayor jah only in Cape Town"Tsek"

  • vandermerwe.martin - 2011-05-20 10:57

    The biggest problem will be resolved in about 4 generations time i.e. roughly 120 years from now, the unfortunate thing is that black will vote for black in our present time, they do not know any better, as long as the ANC wins that is all that matters, nevertheless that they cannot deliver, that's not the point as long as black need to understand that you are dealing with a specie which mental capacity is way beyond that of any European, science indicated that they are about 230 generation behind that of their European counterpart, so the results shows.

      nn.prv - 2011-05-20 11:41

      I cannot even give yu the benefit of the doubt.You are just a plain dumb "European".A lot of europeans are smart.Yu just an embarrasment !

      Matt - 2011-05-20 16:04

      @nn.prv - oh no... let's not even try to reason with Martin. He's an evolutionist... I can start another debate, or I can tell you to read the Bible, specifically Romans 1:22 to 25 and this will explain perfectly who we're dealing with here. God created us equal, that means black and white and everything else, we are of ONE blood... and we are NOT "species", we're human beings! @ Martin - you are the type of person who make half the ANC supporters still vote ANC. So... shhh! BTW - voted ACDP - ward ended up DA though

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  • nn.prv - 2011-05-20 11:34

    What if the DA had a better campaign strategy.COPE is not part of the DA ..or are they now ? Losing must be painful !

  • zoli - 2011-05-20 12:08

    U maths joe suks stupind boere

      Matt - 2011-05-20 16:05

      Can somebody translate this please?

  • sense - 2011-05-20 13:15

    Its sometimes sad to see that people think highly of ANC I understand that they once did some good here and there, but does anyone know what they think of their people obviously the message stands out clear that they want to make the country a better place and that will only happen if everyone works together meaning black, white, coloured, Indian ect. So the ANC starts of with a big bunch of corruption and people still love it that’s why they vote ANC, then they sing “Kill the Boer” that didn’t just offend whites alone it opened a lot of people’s eyes but it wasn’t enough because they still went and vote ANC then they started to get real greedy that it didn’t even matter if it was showed on TV I don’t even have to mentioned what they did its always in the papers you know the drug dealing, eating the countries money that’s why a lot of people strike etc. yet the people still vote ANC, when last did they show some good news about them when last did you hear the ANC giving back to their voters and doing something good cant anyone see this those 1000 and something open toilets could have been people without houses that voted for ANC and yet they vote for ANC, my point is just common-sense they don’t really care of the people around them it was always just about them watch news, read and listen do they mention your name anywhere do you even exist in their heads does your vote for them guaranty a better and secured future I think your vote only guaranties a better future for them, Understand me clearly I’m not against them I just think it’s too late for them to do something good for the country!!!

  • EYESAY - 2011-05-20 16:11

    @ PHUTIE.....for heavens sake let the colour thing go! you really need to stop blaming white people just because they are white...are you that unhappy in your own colour skin! I am black and proud and my white friends are white and proud....we've moved on in the new SA clearly you haven't!

  • Fair - 2011-05-21 12:58

    I now know that most online debates end in black/white war of words. Can we not embrace each other like USA- black/white stories are very low now? IT BEGINS WITH YOU

  • thobsion.ANC - 2011-05-23 09:37

    Does she aver stop talking, a comma or something.

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