1 448 cops have criminal records

2013-08-14 22:44

Cape Town - Several high-ranking police officials are on a list of officers with criminal records, Parliament's police portfolio committee heard on Wednesday.

An audit, which only covered the period prior to January 2010, found 1 448 officers had criminal offences, SA Police Service (SAPS) acting deputy national commissioner for human resource development Nkrumah Mazibuko told MPs.

The audit was conducted to find out how many officers with criminal records remained in the service's employ.

MPs shook their heads in disbelief after Mazibuko was pushed to list the ranks of the convicted officers. They included a major general, 10 brigadiers, 21 colonels, 10 majors, 43 lieutenant colonels, 163 captains, 84 lieutenants, 716 warrant officers, 267 sergeants, 129 constables, and two personnel officers.

Most of the officers were convicted after joining the service, and none had been dismissed as yet.

"These people are subjected to disciplinary process and then they take the matter up on appeal, and we get an order to reinstate the person," Mazibuko said.

Police members convicted and jailed were automatically fired.

"If that person appeals the sentence... and he gets the sentence reduced maybe to a suspended one by a criminal court, then in terms of our own [police] act such a person is entitled to apply for reinstatement."

Disciplinary procedures ‘a mess’

MPs said it was unacceptable that police disciplinary procedures were "a mess".

"I thought the requirement of employment is that you should be criminal record free. You are now getting involved with whether a person is sentenced to jail or fined and that's not the issue," Cope MP Mluleki George said.

"The issue is if a person is found guilty in a court of law it means he has a criminal record. So why are they keeping you in the service if that's what your employment criteria says?"

Mazibuko conceded the police's capacity to deal with convicts in their own ranks was not what it should be. Police management was trying to overhaul the disciplinary regime to deal with the problem.

It intended establishing a board of fitness to determine if officers with criminal records should remain on duty.

MPs were not happy with the responses. Some insisted on immediate action against the 1 448 officers.

"I share the committee's concerns that we are expected to, and South Africa is expected to, sit back and accept that 1 448 identified criminals must still be paid for another year with taxpayer's money, must still carry a firearm, and must still wear the blue which should be worn with pride," committee chairperson Annelize van Wyk said.

  • Morne Nagel - 2013-08-14 23:06

    Haha this is pathetic!! Its bad when those who were employed to protect this country from criminals are criminals themselves!

      PhilMemon - 2013-08-15 07:18

      But where in our Govt structure do we NOT have criminals? Criminality has become our culture! The govt are crooks, the cops are crooks, the corporations are crooks, the unions are crooks. It's funny how we accuse Nigerians of being crooks. Maybe they are just in South Africa to learn from the best!

      Ryan Viljoen - 2013-08-15 08:09

      On the flip side is the concern that if these people are fired, we will have 1448 people with police training, already with criminal tendencies, out on the street without employment. What will their first choice be for "earning" a living then? My guess will be to return to (or continue with) crime.

  • Roland Frost - 2013-08-14 23:10

    A bloody disgrace!

      Mlungisi Botha - 2013-08-15 08:49

      Disgraceful? Yes. Amazing? No. Surprising? No. Only post-1994? No. There's been criminals in blue for as long as I can remember and my hair's almost completely grey now! I don't believe it's 1448, it's way way more than that, surely?. Recently the cop who dealt with the Pistorius case had to resign because of the same thing - involvement in criminal activity. Ok let's be fair, there're criminals everywhere; in business, politics and, God forbid, even in the church, however, this is like asking Dracula to guard the blood bank or trusting ol' jakkals with the key to the chicken coup. Do I think our cops will ever be clean? No never. Not until their leadership is clean.

  • Tshepo Siyaya Rampatla - 2013-08-14 23:11

    Zuma s world.

      Mlungisi Botha - 2013-08-15 08:55

      No, our world, mate! Have you been paying all your taxes? Never done a tax dodge? Never slapped someone? If you've never done any of this then you're one of a kind. Join a religious order or something. These people are drawn from society - from people like you and me. My only gripe is that these people are meant to catch criminals and yet they are criminals themselves and if you look at how many are in the top ranks there's very little hope of the situation ever changing. O, what better example do we have than Selebi himself.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-08-15 09:33

      Mlungisi Botha. I must be a very dull person then because I have never dodged my tax and I have never slapped someone. Maybe that is why I joined the struggle because, naively, I believed in the goodness of man. Someone should have slapped me.

      sxp - 2013-08-15 10:10

      Nope, the world of the ANC voters.

      Michael Nelson - 2013-08-28 00:02

      The ANC gives man a really bad name Jacqui but given your regret we'll defer that klap to someone more desperately in need......"Julius!!!"

  • Mike Jones - 2013-08-14 23:15

    So to be a member of the South African Police Service it is not a requirement to be a criminal, but it does appear to help.

  • Nico de Jongh - 2013-08-14 23:42

    716 Warrant officers is half cop, half crook and together one big happy cuckoo family,but on a serious note..just you watch how many more crooked cops will breed out of ANOTHER GAP IN THE WALL [OF JUSTICE]..

  • Mzukisi Swarggart TaMzu Ngxumale - 2013-08-14 23:44

    this criminals r blocking us as Reservist to be employed permanently as we dont get a cent for volunteering some of us volunteering for 6yrs to 13yrs

      Bongani Gladman Nobadula - 2013-08-15 01:12

      Say it again my brother,kunini siApplier kuthathwa abanezalamane ezingaphakathi

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-08-15 09:36

      Mzukisi, yes and it is a disgrace that you volunteer your time and get nothing in return. Mthethwa should hang his head in shame.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-08-15 10:43

      Jacqui, Mthethwa doesn't understand or feel shame; if he did, he would have fired Riah and resigned a long time ago.

      Michael Nelson - 2013-08-28 00:05

      Mthethwa shouldn't hang his head in shame, just an ordinary hanging will do nicely!

  • Theo Du Preez - 2013-08-15 00:10

    This causes a serious presedent: how can they deny a person with a criminal record from applying and getting a job as police officer? If that happens, we're dead!

  • Shaun Dekobos - 2013-08-15 00:48

    No wonder the criminal conduct by most of our cops, they are first grade thugs.honest civillians are tortured to admit to crimes they never committed just to stop investigations because there are always cops involved in every crime that happens.

  • Bongani Gladman Nobadula - 2013-08-15 01:17

    There are people who have clear criminal records but never get hired only bcoz we can't afford to bribe

      Rose Gopane Tlhako - 2013-08-15 07:30

      my point exactly, rotten corrupt government.

  • Smith Mahlahla - 2013-08-15 01:27

    They are jst like their president Z, ANC is coward, it is like in the SA Army whereby the foreiners are working in the department! How can that be possible ,it means they can sell us!! Zuma is not doing his job, intead of deploying unlawfuness people form a large part of criminalities and lack of performance on there duties He is standing there and choose to deploy his foes

      sxp - 2013-08-15 10:13

      Time to face up to facts:Black people voted a criminal into office and a criminal party as well. The yearly AG reports clearly shows this.

  • Moss Kop - 2013-08-15 01:40

    Well we are protected by crooks.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-08-15 10:44

      That's not a definition of "protected" with which I'm familiar...

  • mica.gogome - 2013-08-15 04:16

    They must be fired.

  • Pieter Oosthuysen - 2013-08-15 04:51

    And this is only up to January 2010. I wonder what it looks like at this stage.

      Mlungisi Botha - 2013-08-15 08:59

      Pieter: if you believe these stats you'll believe anything. There's way more criminals (caught and not yet caught) out there patrolling our streets!

  • Sonwabile Sitela - 2013-08-15 05:02

    Mxm today's ago I was robed my meat by two who pretended to police officers. Thy where in full uniform. Thy working with a an old man. So this doesn't shock us as victims of police officers in cape town# I mean if thy are not police where did they get the uniform????

  • Zolisa Dlokovu - 2013-08-15 05:30

    Mluleki George akahleki tu

  • Dave Rodd - 2013-08-15 05:32

    This is very scary. Particularly the senior officers who are in their employ. We are on the road to nowhere with these statistics.

  • Victor Reitz - 2013-08-15 05:39

    For some weird reason, this fails to surprise me....

  • Gertjie van Schalkwyk - 2013-08-15 06:17

    New South Africa ! Shocking !

  • Aidan Berry - 2013-08-15 06:23

    It takes one to catch one.

  • Andrew Selous - 2013-08-15 06:48

    Guess they will not give a racial breakdown will they? No need. Just use the demographics.

      Mlungisi Botha - 2013-08-15 09:05

      True! No racial group can claim zero(0)representation in the police force. I'm not sure how the racial breakdown of criminals in SAPS helps you but I'd rather have NO criminals in the police force in this great country of mine!

  • Collins Ntelele - 2013-08-15 06:58

    Why do you have a court process and a departmental hearing.It implies that a departmental verdict s influenced by a court one,vice versa.The entire system is a ''mess'.

  • Doep Briel - 2013-08-15 07:03

    That we know of...

  • Dagga Movement - 2013-08-15 07:14

    What a crying shame

  • Ernest Chauke - 2013-08-15 07:16

    I'm not surprised

  • PhilMemon - 2013-08-15 07:16

    Just more evidence that the country is being run by criminals!

      sxp - 2013-08-15 10:14

      Who were voted into power by the masses of black people.

  • Vlad Wasinsky - 2013-08-15 07:19

    Where else in the world do you get high ranking officers in the Police with criminal records?. It seems that when the jails are full criminals are dumped in the police.

  • Fairness IsEverything - 2013-08-15 07:31

    This goverment, its friends, its former friends and it supporters puts this country to shame. That's the police force can you imagine what the rest feels like? There are some of you who wouldn't be able to imagine I assume, its because you're PART of them. I hope your forefathers lashes you when you move on!

  • Altus Kirsten - 2013-08-15 07:35

    Criminal running the country. A habit of Zuma.

  • Nella Kruil - 2013-08-15 07:35

    This is an absolute joke!!

  • Sabelo Mcondobi - 2013-08-15 07:36

    Andiyazi ke le...njani?

  • Hazel Laura Sibandze - 2013-08-15 07:45

    am not surprised.dats why ey dont catch criminals busy collecting moni from foreigners.

  • Alta Steyn - 2013-08-15 07:47

    I would not even mention it. I'd be too ashamed.

  • Johan van Rooyen - 2013-08-15 07:55

    Jip, so what. They have the right skin colour, vote for the right party, are comrades, so what, and THEY will be the ones who will get the promations and become generals. Lekker South Africa. Jip a doe da.

  • Tebogo Steve Rababalela - 2013-08-15 08:38

    This is how there is a failure in the war against corruption. No wonder 4 that.

  • Chris Harmse - 2013-08-15 08:43

    Reading about this makes me wonder why people like them gets to serve the public. As for myself I also have a criminal record but my record is always in question when I apply for jobs on mines etc.where is the fairness in it all that a former convict gets out of jail and becomes a president of the country. Why do I have to be the one always reminded of his record while others seem to enjoy their privelage as record holders of offences

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-08-15 09:40

      Chris Harmse. Join the ANC, get active in politics and that will put you on the road to success.

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-08-15 09:29

    Mthethwa were are you now?. Oh! I forgot they are all loyal ANC members and all above the law. This country is turning into a pathetic joke.

  • sxp - 2013-08-15 10:09

    They should all be removed immediately.

  • Burt Smit - 2013-08-15 16:34

    That is why criminals run free, their buddies the police protect them. Excuse me their employers the police protects them. Bad justice system + bad laws + bad government + bad employees + no ethics + bad policies + weak ass leaders = freedom?

  • Elvis Thabiso Sithole - 2013-08-15 21:06

    What a shame! Warrant officers are on the top the list!

  • Elvis Thabiso Sithole - 2013-08-15 21:14

    Disgrace! Warrant officers are on the top of the list!

  • Michael Nelson - 2013-08-28 00:20

    Anybody remember the movie "Airplane"? Well, SA is the metaphorical aeroplane and Zuma is the literal blow up doll at the controls! HKGK - for those who still remember a bit of old Afrikaans...

  • Neil Moodley - 2013-09-18 13:11

    Im not surprised in the least ... Its a sad day when something of this magnitude doesn't even get front page news !

  • David Hutton - 2014-05-27 07:47

    The lunatics are running the asylum. hahahahahahahahahaha

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