11 000 Eastern Cape teachers may lose jobs

2012-09-22 08:00

Johannesburg - More than 11 000 Eastern Cape teachers are in danger of losing their jobs because of a financial shortfall, the Weekend Post reported on Friday.

The newspaper reported that a proposal to fire the teachers next year because of a R3.4bn shortfall was being considered by senior officials of the Eastern Cape education department, including MEC Mandla Makupula.

The department has to finalise next year's post allocation by Friday and opposition parties have urged the department to beg, borrow or make a deal to secure the money.

Education committee members said they had been told by superintendent-general Mthunywa Ngonzo that the department could potentially cut 11 287 (17.4%) of teaching posts from the provincial system for the 2013 school year because of a shortfall of R3.42bn to fund the existing 64 752 teaching posts.

The possibility of firing thousands of teachers was first discussed at a heated meeting in St Francis Bay on 2 September - attended by Makupula and senior education staff - and again at the legislature's education committee meeting this week.

Education experts warned the likelihood of the department sourcing the funding was "minimal at best" and that the axing of teachers would invariably cause an "uproar" among parents.

While opposition parties and department officials said the department was considering the move, Ngonzo denied that it was discussed in Bhisho this week.

"There is no such thing. I never said that [in the Bhisho meeting]. The indication is that pupil numbers are going down and we know for a fact that there will be a budget cut," he said.

Ngonzo did concede that 10 proposals had been put forward regarding next year's teacher basket allocation as a result of budget constraints.

"The two critical driving factors are pupil numbers and budget availability."

He declined to go into detail about the proposals.

According to Democratic Alliance MPL Edmund van Vuuren, at the 2 September meeting in Cape St Francis, the issue of mass retrenchment was discussed at length.

"Senior officials from the department were there, including the MEC. There were a number of proposals put forward but the bottom line is that unless the education department finds the money by next Friday, these teachers could be without work," he said.

Education analyst Graeme Bloch said if the department went ahead with the axing it would spark a storm.

"Parents will be in uproar. It is a crazy, ridiculous and an unviable option."

The department has made little progress in complying with a Eastern Cape High Court order to permanently fill more than 6 000 vacant teacher posts by 2 November, having appointed 4 402 teachers temporarily by 3 September.

This was the second deadline in the latest of a string of court orders against the beleaguered department, the Weekend Post reported.

  • Greypatriot - 2012-09-22 08:08

    CRAZY - I thought we were fixing education? Why are there less learners - are people migrating to the Western Cape?

      fussed.anderson - 2012-09-22 08:42

      Less to fix then

      freddie.l.roux - 2012-09-22 08:44

      Where is the ANCYL and Cosatu (Sadtu) and all their other affliates now? quick to jump on the bandwagon when the WC propose the closure of 27 unviable schools whilst also building more than 40 new schools. Yet when 11 000 teachers could potentially lose their jobs in a Province that can ill afford this they are silent. Typical, they only pick fights to score political points instead of standing up for what is right.

      ianon.ym - 2012-09-22 09:56

      At a conservative 25 pupils per teacher being taught, that is 275000 pupils without education - you are a government of destruction is what you are ANC.

      fred.murgatroyd - 2012-09-22 11:28

      Just a thought ... are any of the ANC MP's and tenderpreneurs short of money??? Only the department of education is short of money. Makes you wonder why. Is it a case of "keep them uneducated so they can't see the failings of the ruling party"?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 13:11

      Alicia Myburgh wrote: "Zuma was born in that area." In fact, Zuma was born in Nkandla, which is where there's has been reports that there are plans underway to turn Nkandla into 'New York' or Zumaville. My geography says Nkandla is in KZN. But hey, it's the new SA; it is a perfectly and acceptable and common practice and in tune with some's cultural upbringing to spice up criticism with green lies and bullcrap because that adds on to general ignorance and a herd mentality of believing everything said/written without necessarily verifying it.

      trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-09-22 13:37

      There NO SCHOOL BOOKS...THEY dumping it all over the show

      jennifer.d.martin.750 - 2012-09-22 20:28

      It seems they are loading the cash in van out back as fast as possible before they are kicked out. After this the ANC is finished and their leaders know it. They could have made all the difference but They have stolen the futures of their own people. they stole everything. May cooties ever infest their beds and their water be infested with rat-tailed maggots!

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-09-22 21:49

      no problem if they move to the western cape. EC was heavily affected by apertheid compared to WC with all the homelands

  • slindokuhle - 2012-09-22 08:12

    So they decide on firing the teachers instead of other useless municipal workers and mec and mayor's cars?

      bennie.kruger.5 - 2012-09-22 08:18

      Now youre getting it !!!

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-09-22 08:53

      Don't forget the minister of basic education! She can go too!!! Think how much money they will save..

      Lenisto - 2012-09-22 10:01

      They should cut their huge/fat salaries and benefits to compensated for the financial shortfall instead of opting for the most retarded solution. EC's education is getting worse and worser. Education is the last priority in the EC and seeing that EC's education future looks bleak makes me want to puke:(

      jeremy.forbes.1293 - 2012-09-22 11:45

      These children and their families are paying the price of corruption, they will never recover these lost years and will be mired in poverty for the rest of their lives. The teacher's salaries are in the bank accounts of the Eastern Cape thieves. Shame on you!

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-23 11:05

      Do you know that the mayor of Port Elizabeth is better paid than the mayor of Cape Town according to a local magazine comparison?

  • mofstok - 2012-09-22 08:20

    So where is the outcry over the ANC effectively closing schools in the Eastern Cape now? Or is such criticism and outrage reserved only for opposition governed provinces?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-22 09:40

      Mofstok, you got that right.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-09-22 21:12

      Especially pre-election, mofstok.....

  • deon.meiring - 2012-09-22 08:21

    We need more teachers, and schools that are up to standard! BUT nou the children are gone? Where to?

      oupadup - 2012-09-22 14:07

      Fugitives in Cape Town.

  • tobydt - 2012-09-22 08:21

    WCape, brace yourselves for an influx of refugees.

      pwhanekom - 2012-09-22 11:54

      They're already here! That's why EC numbers are falling!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 13:53

      South Africans are free to live anywhere they wish to in their country

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2012-09-22 14:40

      Themba, not everyone has the luxury of choosing where to live. Don't you think that every South African has the right to decent service delivery regardless of the town they live in?

      phillys.winterbottom - 2012-09-22 20:44

      themba, stop being the ANC f*ckwit and comment on the 11000 jobs about to be lost. Obfuscation is an old anc scumbag tactic. Where have the funds disappeared to? Every wondered Thembaretard how you anc scum never have a shortage of funds for beeg blek cars and huge parties to celebrate your miserable party's performance?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 21:05

      Winterbottom, stop using you buttocks to think. People flood to better areas. Even you would if you were not receiving public services where you lived. It's a fact of life. Get that in your thick skull. Matthew people are not getting services. What must they do: wait and starve to death? Yes, they must vote for a party that will care for them. But to say they must stay and wait for services is being simplistic. The EC has been collapsing over a long period of time, and people will move in pursuit of greener pastures.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 21:28

      I bet some of you idiots have changed jobs in search of better prospects, have been wishing to emigrate to Aus, etc, but find it strange when othe South Africans do the same thing, flipping confused morons

  • karabos3 - 2012-09-22 08:22

    I cannot deal with this unpleasant thing they are trying to do. Education must come first, I hope they expect strikes and all because pupils will have no one to teach them. I hope the budget ain't gonna be cut.

  • henk63 - 2012-09-22 08:23

    Here's an idea. Why don't you just close down the whole schooling system? It is not working anyway, and when you don't have to pay salaries you can just steal any money that's left straight away. You are anyway consumed with plans on how to stuff your pockets on a daily basis. Don't pretend that you want education to work, we don't believe you anymore.

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-09-22 08:30

    Only stupid people vote ANC. Stay in power keep them that way.

      karin.lore.5 - 2012-09-22 08:44

      After 18 years of voting ANC..... and they say you must not call them stupid??? LOL!! Stupid stupid people.

      ray.priestley.79 - 2012-09-22 08:50

      I think what Gregory meant is that stupidity is making a poor decision and then continue to make tha same decision over and over again.Wake up and get rid of the ANC government[unless you are a favoured cadre].

      john.bucknall.1 - 2012-09-22 09:03

      cANCer's whole ploy, don't educate, keep them stupid and we're good for another 18 years. You sheepol got what you voted for, live with it.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-22 11:21

      @xoli.themba ~ If you gave your friend half of your salary every month to give to your mother and after a year you went to visit your mother and found out that she hadn't ever received any of the money you sent her via your friend, would you keep giving your friend the money to give to your mother? No, of course your wouldn't! But that is exactly what cANCer is doing and you keep voting for cANCer and then you wonder why we call cANCer voters stupid? You're actually beyond stupid!!!!! And the sad thing is that you're too damn stupid to even comprehend just how stupid you are!!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 13:15

      irene.buthelezi, and you are beyond stupid if you think using a black name is going to hide the fact that you are a white troll

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-22 16:46

      @Themba ~ Did it ever occur to you that my husband might be black? Not too klevah are you??

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-09-22 20:25

      themba.thwala.98... and you are beyond stupid if you think we believe you when you say your name is Themba Twala & that you are male, when infact your real name is Linda Makhubo & you are female.

  • buti.lembe - 2012-09-22 08:33

    Illiterate govt vs literate teachers.Let's see who'll win the battle.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-24 08:32

      Sadly the government.

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-22 08:35

    This borders on criminal neglect, gross mismanagement. Why does the ANC not disband?

      bless.boswell - 2012-09-22 09:14

      Because Gerhard, even though the bus is failing and the wheels are falling off, it's better than walking.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-09-22 21:19

      If you were raking in all the money that they are raking in, would YOU resign? Not a chance in hell....

  • mthokozisi.mbele - 2012-09-22 08:35

    Ministers are buying cars worth millions but there's no money to pay a teacher...

      john.bucknall.1 - 2012-09-22 09:07

      Tell that to ultra stupid Xoli.themba, he has a cANCer Phd in stupidity.

  • attie.gerber.1 - 2012-09-22 08:40

    the fat cats and other govt officals must stop stealing millions then their will be enough money available

      jacky.owens.73 - 2012-09-22 08:47

      hahahaha they jus pulling themselves down

  • carole.small.96 - 2012-09-22 08:41

    We cannot allow this to happen. Education is the only way for poor people to climb out of the doldrums. I know the ANC want to keep as many down as possible so the Peoples of South Africa won't question what they do, but this is more reason to stand together and fight for our Rights. Education is first and most important. Fail the students and you fail the country!!

  • karin.lore.5 - 2012-09-22 08:42

    PLEASE keep the ANC out of the Western Cape, things still work PERFECTLY here.

      Michael Kleber - 2012-09-22 09:01

      i cant believe you don't want the ANC we have them in Jhb besides the potholes , broken robots , corruption , dirty streets , poor service delivery they ok , ha ha

  • lorna.sisusa - 2012-09-22 08:48

    South African Education is declining, indeed Western Cape must brace their selves for an influx of refugees.

  • lskopinski - 2012-09-22 08:49

    Nou het ek wragtag alles gehoor. Plaas dank hulle 11 000 amptenare in die onderwysdep. kantore af. Al wat hulle doen is om admin vir onnies uit te dink en dan ons oor ons vingers te kom tik oor 'n datum wat nie op die regte plek geskryf is nie. My werk is om kinders te leer nie onbekwames se poste te verseker nie. Los die onderwysers uit, die van ons wat nou nog daar is werk uiters hard - en dit vir ons liefde vir kinders en nie vir adminvrate nie. Betaal die onnies en stel 5 bekwame mense aan in die plek van hulle wat buitendien niks doen nie - dan sal \budget\ nooit weer 'n probleem wees nie!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-09-22 08:56

    Thats why i vote ANC because they never fail to deliver . NOT !!!!!

  • scott.gilbert.7549 - 2012-09-22 08:56

    100 Years Of Selfless that the ANC can line their pockets and kick the people that follow them to the ground. Education is the only sustainable way to raise the poor from poverty.

  • Greypatriot - 2012-09-22 08:57

    We all agree that this is stupid. How does one stop it? We need radical teachers to take up arms against a sea of troubles. Any volunteers?

  • ISO - 2012-09-22 09:01

    Limpopo=Eastern Cape

  • mart.botha - 2012-09-22 09:08

    But it's OK to spend R2bn on Zumaville etc. What more proof do we need that this Government is made up of a few diamonds.....and a whole lot of worthless pebbles pretending to be diamonds. SA ashamed, be very ashamed. This is exactly why you do not have the respect of your voters who live day to day in the false hope that you will forego your personal greed and ambition and just do your job. I think those in Parliament should only be paid a minimum wage so we can get rid of the rabble that abounds in these corridors.

  • bless.boswell - 2012-09-22 09:11

    Perhaps financial budgets should be addressed as follows: allocate the funds to their intended purpose and then dip your hand in to cookie jar for what's left - not the other way round - ok?

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-22 09:23

    But your gorvenment keeps on saying'First priority is education'.And yet bulding ZUMAVILLE while eduction they promise to improve is in unbelievable finacial crisis.And the same gorvenment senior officials who want to fire innocent teachers, are the ones whole stole that money through corruption.OMG

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-09-22 09:23

    It is a shame that this has to happen.

  • gordon.smith.3158 - 2012-09-22 09:26

    Simple solution, close all the schools in EC then you dont have to spend money on teachers and education, stupid clowns, can you actually believe this!!!!!!

  • lums.zindela - 2012-09-22 09:29

    Now that the imposed administration by the national government over the EC. DoE ain't working. Then f**k the administration, it only worsen things. And we really need to shift the vote from the anc so that they learn that it's the voters who got the power. They must know that when they f**k around they are out of parliament.

  • lisa.a.bradshaw - 2012-09-22 09:31

    Keep the Masses uneducated and the ANC stay in power!!! Pity the gravy train riders stoop so low as to deny education to the youth!!!

  • obadia.segwape - 2012-09-22 09:33

    viva anc viva eish we are so DOOM

  • nolusindiso.mkoko - 2012-09-22 09:37

    The is saying that goes like ''NEW BROOMS SWEEP CLEAN''. I think the time for new brooms has come..with fresh minds and fresh ideas..

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-22 11:23

      You need to change the make of broom because therein lies the problem. It doesn't matter how new the broom is, so long as it comes from the same manufacturer, it will never sweep clean.

  • buzzardfrey - 2012-09-22 09:38

    Why, and not where, have the children gone? Poor service delivery? Fire the redundant so that those remaining can pull up their socks to keep the remaining kids. Simple as that!No employee should be a liability to an employer - especially when the employer a is a taxpayer.

  • denis.mhendi - 2012-09-22 09:38

    That's bad news.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-22 09:38

    Now where did all the money flow to? The mess in this country is becoming more unbelievable by the day.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-09-22 09:44

    The Eastern Cape is the worst off of all provinces and the ANC has failed in the province badly. Zuma has only uplifted his province and still intends to do more with zumaville whilst the Eastern Cape just decays a little bit every day. Remember, the people of the Eastern Cape must realize that they voted for the ANC now is the time to change their vote and vote for somebody else and show the ANC exactly what they think of them and their vote. But people are easily bought with promises to do this and to do that, after they have voted, the usual happens .....nothing. So if the people in the eastern cape can for once all stand up together and vot the ANC of of their province this will do much for them because the ANC will bend over backwards to try and get that province back. Look at the Western Cape and how hard they are trying to disrupt that province, its the only province that looks after the people and they watch their spending are not known to be easily corrupted. Look at the other provinces under ANC everything has fallen down and nothing but corrupt officials that keep getting voted back in office. Vote with your head and not with your heart. The struggle is over 18 years ago, the only struggle now is the ANC holding the masses back for their own agenda. Promises of land and absa bank accounts only lock these people into a world they will never emerge from if they dont wake up and move on and make a life for themselves.

  • melanie.reah - 2012-09-22 09:48

    I suppose that will be the next strike. Cause thats the fashion. As soon as theres no or not enough money. Lets Strike.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-22 09:49

    R675 billion stolen thru corruption could have provided a lot of education. Instead we favour expensive cars, clothes, houses, jewellery and whiskey. Shame on you ANC, the history books will tell the story of your grand failure. The downfall of Africa? GREED and dishonesty

  • max.maxwell - 2012-09-22 09:49

    Mmmm! This shortly after they were ordered to fill vacant posts by the High Court! Are they trying to prove they are above the law? If not, where has the money gone? Too much KFC? Methinks there are too many chiefs and not enough indians in this Dept!

  • Partiboy - 2012-09-22 09:49

    Money that was used to build the 2010 stadiums??? Told ya so! Fuc*king useless government!

  • deon.vanrhyn - 2012-09-22 09:56

    ...and still the anc get elected every time, sigh when will these sheeple learn..

      John - 2012-09-22 18:46

      How can they learn? We the apartheid government are closing the schools and firing teachers so we can waste MONEY!!!

  • leah.p.lecheko - 2012-09-22 09:57

    leave our teachers alone! the children of this country deserve education! there is a shortage of teachers! are the MP's going to be in classes and take over the teachers roles?! this is some "mickey mouse" crazy dumb government! the country's education standards were recently rated the lowest when compared to other countries in the world. we know that government has no sense of urgency or priority when it comes to education - there are other means that can be exercised to avoid cutting off teachers. This suggestion has proven in more ways that education in south africa is not a priority and will never be. the government is a disappointment! education is a basic need! we need the teachers! south africa your children need teachers! save the teachers!

      marcus.lebuso - 2012-09-22 10:17

      our governmnt sucks

  • george.k.townsend - 2012-09-22 09:59

    How does Mr Zuma sleep at night? He takes a very generous pay increase in the face of this crisis?

  • chule.qalase - 2012-09-22 10:04

    Cry my beloved home!!! End of the day an African child will suffer and be called a refugee some where, or probably die in the mines/ construction company trying to work to make ends meet. When will all this suffrrig end?? They say there is shortage of skilled people in this country but at the same time nothing is done to address that!!

  • roderick.nightingale - 2012-09-22 10:07

    How much money was spent on the St Francis weekend retreat to decide to take away 11 000 peoples livelihood, not to mention the families of those losing their jobs, it will probably affect around 30 000 people! How much money was unaccounted for in the recent Eastern Cape education department audit, that is where your shortfall lies, corruption, inefficiency, incompetence. These same officials have driven education in the Eastern Cape into the ground ruining the futures of thousands of children, who will most likely, to some degree in the future, become dependant on state resources due them being unemployable, perpetuating a life of poverty. Every year this continues another shackle is placed around the ankles of those striving for the promised 'better life', the life their parents voted for! Only the people can change this, the present government has proven they can't! How many chances do they deserve, how many futures do they get to snuff out before we say NO MORE!!!!

  • Marcel Marais - 2012-09-22 10:09

    sorry for asking this dum question? but why MUST all the ministers drive the biggest most expensive cars? people open your eyes the ANC is stealing our money! this country needs education!

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-09-22 10:12

    Somehow I geuss this is apartheid or white capatalists fault?

  • marcus.lebuso - 2012-09-22 10:14

    I think we must go thru THE BILL OF RIGHTS NOT WRONGS........ If 11 000 teachers r going to loose their jobs what is zuma sayng?? I mean CHILDREN HAV THE RIGHT TO B EDUCATED WHT HAPPNED TO THT ND IF TEACHERS LOOSE THEIR JOBS HOW MANY KIDS WIL b ILLITR8?? Our governmt is UNLEASHING ITS BEAST,crime wil b high again thy wil start @ an early age so ZUMA ND HIS MP U POCKET ALOT OF MONEY MAKE SURE THESE KIDS GET EDUCATION OR ELSE NO 2ND TERM I WONT VOTE UNLESS I GO FOR D.A

      andre.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-22 10:30

      Marcus, I can not agree more with you! Something like 275000 children withou teachers! It is a shame.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-23 11:29

      Marcus, I understand how you feel about not voting because the only alternative seems to be the DA but not voting is NOT sending the ANC the right message. Spoiled votes ARE counted whereas low turnout says nothing really except that the electorate are taking the day off or sick or dead or anything you want to blame. Go to the polls in your area and spoil your vote by writing across it I HAVE NO FAITH IN THE ANC. Turn out in droves and write that or something similar across your ballot paper and the message will get through. Personally I will vote for the strongest party in opposition because the majority party MUST have opposition and not because I necessarily agree with everything they do. Failing to vote is actually voting to have the ANC fsil you yet again purely because of the numbers they can muster. The COSATU partnership with the ANC must end and COSATU must stand as LABOUR PARTY (Irony there however) and then we will have a truer reflection and a better chance of the people actually winning and I don't mean the diamonds and the previously advantaged either.

  • ken.koen - 2012-09-22 10:25

    Whats the difference? the teachers are not teaching, and the "learners" are not learning anyway

  • andre.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-22 10:26

    Now what about the Highest Law in South Africa, The Constitution ? Does it not read that every South African has a Right to Education? Constitution se gat !

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-09-22 10:38

    Why spend money on edukashin when you can have centenary celebration parties @ R100million a pop and billions on warplanes in peacetime, or submarines to crash on the ocean floor?

  • lebakeng.nchaupe - 2012-09-22 10:40

    Can i ask who is the head of state of South Africa i bet if we have one he is not educated

      Gatvol Griet - 2012-09-22 11:06

      Uh yezzz, dat is korrekt. I beleev ees meesta Zuma es president an he no hav no edukashin.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 13:18

      Gatvol griet, write proper english. You are not on mixit or bbm.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-09-23 11:38

      The head of the State is none other than the all singing all dancing much married Zulu with the masshini wami he indulges so often that he has about 29 children mostly illegitimate if you don't believe in polygamy. One of his sons who is old enough to be dubbed Mashini Wami Jnr is one of the CEO's of Aurora Mines which was a going concern when he and his partners bought it but is now closed (more jobs lost by the by) and his workers weren't paid even when the mine was still operational under ANC nationalised management. Are they educated? Hell, no. Their liberation song was Liberation before education. Burn schools and books - they are the tools of apartheid. No wonder the Limpopo debacle doesn't get Angie fired. Her husband is one of the diamonds who funds the ANC election campaigns.

  • wiebrand.herbershausen - 2012-09-22 10:41

    11000 jobs in Eastern Cape. Let us hear what the ANC youth league has to say about this. Hopefully with the same enthusiasm as the possible closure of the 27 schools in the Western Cape. Note to Youth League of any party: This is what you should focus on. Not Nationalizing mines. Your support can give provide real rewards: An Education