170km/h 'dicing' Pretoria drivers held

2012-02-28 22:33

Pretoria - Two men were arrested after they were caught racing on the Mabopane freeway in Pretoria on Tuesday morning, Gauteng traffic police said.

Spokesperson Busaphi Nxumalo said the men, one in a Golf 6 GTI and the other in a Ford Focus ST, were driving at 170km/h in an 80km/h zone shortly before 10:00.

"The 31-year-old driver of the... Golf claims that he is a medical doctor from the Sunnyside campus [of the University of SA] and was responding to a medical emergency, which could not be confirmed by the high speed unit," she said.

"The 30-year-old driver of the Ford ST, who is a LAN [local area network] supporter, did not want to comment. They were both arrested for reckless and or negligent driving."

The two were expected to appear in the Pretoria Magistrate's Court on Wednesday.

  • Lorenzo Haglich - 2012-02-28 23:01

    so who won

      Gollum - 2012-02-28 23:08

      Well SAP gets the cash prize so I guess they do

      John - 2012-02-29 00:44

      Those IT guys.....ay,ay,ay The slow speed of internet in SA couse them to uleash, but unfortunately they been "caped" again by "administrators" Dudes....don't do it. You know how those things are ending. Lucky that no one was harmed.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-29 01:14

      .. Simple.. They just forgot to put on their blue lights

      Thapelo - 2012-02-29 07:49

      thats also my question,but st is faster than golf 6

      deabreu - 2012-02-29 07:49

      I agree alansmartSnr, a couple of blue light and they could wave automatic weapons at the public drivers, threaten and spit at us, and speed at 240KM/H with no problem in 40Km/h zones.

      JasperSA1 - 2012-02-29 08:35

      The ST would have won - I have a 2011 ST and no Gol6 DSG can keep up unless they been chipped. Besides the Golf 6 probably thought he could have gotten away with as the ST would have been pulled over first being so far ahead ha ha. Just joking, the Golf 6 DSG is not that much slower than the Focus ST - Recon the race would have been a close one!

      Art - 2012-02-29 08:48

      ST stands for Sanatary Towel.... as you are well aware what the purpose of a Sanatary Towel is...

      infijar.ken - 2012-02-29 09:22

      They were obviously recreating the race between similar cars on yesterdays Top Gear. - 2012-02-29 10:33

      Nyc One @Lorenzo I want to know as well!

      birkettN - 2012-02-29 12:55

      Definate ST win. ST FTW!

  • John - 2012-02-28 23:14

    Throw the book at them. Its more than double the speed limit. If they hit and killed someone it would have been murder... so because they were stopped before they did kill someone, they should maybe be charged for attempted murder...

      Godfrey - 2012-02-29 04:26

      Like most problems in this country, speeding of this nature is easy to stop. 1. Confiscate the cars. 2. Cancel their driver's licences for life. 3. 5 years in jail. Ok. Who's next to drive like this?

      chris.debeer1 - 2012-02-29 06:52

      Godfrey very scary but would reduce road deaths dramaticly I say implement your plan. If we see it works lets try public hanging again should have same effect.

      Fredster - 2012-02-29 07:11

      Godfrey...No comments on how God could have stopped this? One of the only comments I agree with you on

      Leon - 2012-02-29 08:42

      @godfrey. its through the grace of God that they were caught before they hurt someone...... he he he. regardless i do agree with you if it was in fact a race, the steps you suggest are suitable, however at this stage the evidence isn't convincing. if the gti driver is in fact a doctor, he was within his rights, and the st driver only should then face the music, but how do you take one man's car for doing the same thing as an educated, respected doctor who's going to get away with it as just another day. must say i suspect the 'doctor' is lying though.

      justin.schonegevel - 2012-02-29 10:48

      @Godfrey and @Leon, well if the doctor was on route to a scene then he should be able to provide the evidence either via a call number received, his radio Unit confirming it. Doctors all have red lights and should use these to respond. I think he is guilty. He should be charged to give example to other response teams who abuse their sirens etc

  • Pieter Janse van Rensburg - 2012-02-28 23:40

    They are reporting about the 2 vehicles drivin by those 2 men. What i'm wondering is what vehicle the cop drove? His car is obviously the fastest!

      Azande - 2012-02-29 00:01

      they were stopped and they stopped. hope it helps

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-02-29 09:19

      My Corsa Lite can go 170 no problem.

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-03-02 09:10

      Why would people give me a thumbs down? It boggles the mind.

  • Mantsho - 2012-02-28 23:55

    It is like no body takes ANC government seriously and its laws, look at way people are doing, this is dengerous.

      louwrens.nagel - 2012-02-29 11:57

      just like your spelling

  • Jan-Frans Van Aardt - 2012-02-29 00:48

    I don't think there are not a lot of guys who can honestly say that they have NEVER diced before. But, my opinion is that if you do, do it when and where you only put your life in danger, and not other possible motorists or pedestrians. I am not condoning breaking the law, but all those who have never ever exceeded the speed limit, please raise your hands...cric-cric, cric-cric.

      Jan-Frans Van Aardt - 2012-02-29 00:50

      I meant, I don't think there are a lot of guys...

      Barry - 2012-02-29 07:43

      This probably highlights the mentality in South Africa as overseas it is an extremely rare occurance. Yes people exceed the speed limits occasisonally no one is perfect but exceeding the speed limit by almost 100 kph indicates severe lack of intelligence. One claims to be a medical doctor, with a brain such as was demonstrated I would not let him apply a band aid.

      adrian.breda - 2012-02-29 08:58

      I drive 140km/h all the time on the freeway and it doesn't even feel fast, I think that should be the new speed limit.

      don.odendaal - 2012-02-29 09:09

      @Barry in the uk they are currently looking at raising the speed limit on highways as they have now realized that most motorists are driving over the current speed limit anyway

      wesleywt - 2012-02-29 09:28

      @Adrian You should be arrested you are a criminal. I hope when you crash the insurance don't pay you out.

      Schmee - 2012-02-29 13:58

      Wesleywt, you know that if he crashes at that speed he is probably going to get badly hurt as well. So it's not really a nice thing to hope, is it?

  • Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-02-29 01:04

    Small chaps small cars big trouble.

  • Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-02-29 01:06

    Next time they must invite me in my holy 7. .

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-29 09:19

      Lets go to Swartkops - its legal in there!

  • Juan - 2012-02-29 02:38

    There's a "need for speed". We need more race tracks in this country where guys can dice and try out there cars. It will hopefully reduce this kind of thing on our roads. This is the trend in the UK. So many speed cameras out there you can't race on their roads anymore, and people rather head for the race track.

  • Pawel - 2012-02-29 03:32

    ahhh, see they are going to meet bubba... tosing a salad in jail is going to be on their minds for quite some time...

  • Michael - 2012-02-29 04:38

    Dumb, dumb boys. The stretch where these guys were nabbed is few hundred metres before the stop sign (and freeway ends sign) approaching Soshanguve. Very busy intersection with pedestrians as well. They could have hit someone. They earn mampara of the week crown!

  • Michael - 2012-02-29 04:49

    "The 31-year-old driver of the... Golf claims that he is a medical doctor from the Sunnyside campus [of the University of SA] and was responding to a medical emergency" Finaly Sunnyside campus of Unisa does have medical faculty? What's the date today? Oh, but it's not the 1st of April!!!

      Riaan - 2012-02-29 11:14

      Thank god for that!

  • Kim - 2012-02-29 06:14

    We lead by example. If the blue light brigade can get away with it, so can the doctor. The other guy, well, he is F,,,,,,

  • brionyl.french - 2012-02-29 06:20

    Take there licenses away...

  • Robin - 2012-02-29 06:37

    Go to Jail, do not pass 'Go', move directly to Jail, do not collect 200. Far too many hold the law in contempt - we live in a culture of lawlessness and it is not always dumb ass taxi drivers either. 170 km/h IS too fast; whether this be in an 80 zone or a 120 zone,and the consequences of this should be immediate confiscation of driving licence and vehicle.

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-29 09:22

      IT is definately not too fast. The problem is where - 80 km/h zone. Double the speed limit, and it is 80 for a reason. That road is busy with taxis from Soshanguve and Mapopane.

  • Johan - 2012-02-29 06:39

    Lock them up!

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-29 06:43

    What logic in "an 80km/h zone" ? It is a healthier nation that can think and decide for itself. If the road was strewn with rocks and children playing, would you do 80km/h? Why? What are you thinking? Same argument - if the road was open and no movement in sight, would you do 80km/h? Why? What are you thinking? Do we need Big Brother to think for us? There can be no law regarding speed limits because it is not logical and serves no justice. Just like the pass laws of yesteryear. It criminalizes the otherwise innocent. It infringes on individual rights. It is merely a revenue generator. Those that follow the law merely because it is the law, must have their heads read.

      Denise - 2012-02-29 07:54

      You're an idiot, seriously.

      clivelang1 - 2012-02-29 08:19

      You're a moron!!!!!

      Renier - 2012-02-29 08:39

      Speed limits are mostly set based on physical limitations such as lane width, curve banking, lines of sight and surfacing characteristics (the location playing a major role as well). The mechanism of enforcement is perhaps a revenue generator, the limits however, have a very rational basis.

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-29 09:23

      Obviously you have never been on the R80 - it is almost a surburban street. Not too wide, Taxis, pedestrians crossing towards the Rosslyn area - and a few cows too! The 80 is justified there.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-29 10:05

      Clive : Thank you for proving my point. Renier : To a degree, but driving decisions are the driver's responsibility. Also: does the limit apply equally to 30 T laden trucks and superbikes/cars?

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-29 10:08

      Denise : Care to debate this issue on a logical basis? Seriously?

      Renier - 2012-02-29 14:00

      maseratifittipaldi: A single speed limit for a given road is a generalisation, of course. However your contention that mass is the most important factor in establishing a more specific limit per vehicle is a fallacy, I think. Reaction time remains constant for both the supercar driver and the truck driver and at greater speeds the supercar driver covers a rather large distance before breaking even starts. Unless supercar drivers are supermen also? :-) My point is this: Speed limits are conservative for cars, yes, but without intimate knowledge of the reasoning behind the limit, the driver has no certainty of the margin of error. Thus, speeding is gambling - you win some fun but wager the lives of everyone using that road.

      Denise - 2012-02-29 18:29

      No maseratichop I dont really care to debate with you - your comment about not following the law merely because it is the law tells its own story. We live in a lawless society where people genuinely get hurt because people dont think the rules and laws apply to them - when someone you loves is killed by a drunken speeding driver you might change your ideas - until then, nothing I say will make the least impact.

  • Ashen - 2012-02-29 06:50

    That would have been a good race...ST and a 6GTI. Wonder which one would have won?

  • Sylvester Mohloli - 2012-02-29 06:57

    i dnt remember driving 80km/h on R80, so i shall nt throw stones, hardy boys next time get your timing right, Metro literally sleeps there waiting 4 bribes, nw a record is on the way!

  • malcolm - 2012-02-29 07:03

    Lets just see how speedily these two get convicted. Its certain to be a lot quicker than Jub Jub and his mate, and they killed kids.

  • lulama - 2012-02-29 07:08

    News24 you forgot to tell us which GTI it was i.e. manual or dsg. What mods were on both cars if any and who was winning before they were interrupted by the jealous cops. My money is on the ST.

  • Msendie - 2012-02-29 07:26

    just want to know who won at this one i like fast cars.

  • Khathu - 2012-02-29 07:46

    I live in Orchards, and i KNOW, after the morning traffic dies down, they usually have a camera at the last bridge before you turn right on DF Malan towards town, gotta keep youe eyes peeled, im glad i wasnt there, would have been ahead at 200km/h in my S3, heheheh!!!! But on a serious note, if you have a need for speed, try and keep it on the race track, if you were to lose control of a car at 170km/h, is dit nag vir jou!!

      Khathu - 2012-02-29 10:08

      @Janine That was meant as a joke

  • ronzaled - 2012-02-29 07:47

    its a problem, because we're allowed to buy cars that can easily do 245km/h, but our national speed limit is 120km/h and the Government is not going to stop the sales of this sports cars/exotic cars because there's way much money to be made on speeding tickets. It's very hard to tame your right foot when some guy next to you thinks he can take you on. Guys like Racing the same way girls like playing with dolls. Guess more race tracks are needed. Sorry you got caught guys, but that kinda happens when you break the law. ohh a quick tip don't drop the soap

  • Robert - 2012-02-29 07:53

    The state should impound and confiscate their cars, that way they will send a clear message to all about reckless driving and speeding

      Kirsten Leo - 2012-02-29 08:23

      i absolutely agree! their cars should be taken away! we've all had to say goodbye to too many friends family because of RECKLESS drivers!

      Itu Santino Cortez - 2012-02-29 08:32

      Your surname shows that you don't have a car and you not from pretoria...

      Sylvester Mohloli - 2012-02-29 08:56

      dream on, unless the cars were bought cash, you cant impound a car that belongs to Wesbank and xpect me to continue paying!lol

  • Keelvol - 2012-02-29 08:07

    LAN [local area network] supporter - WTF news24. We arent all idiots. he's a techie.

      Sylvester Mohloli - 2012-02-29 08:53

      no man, he SUPPORTS the techie, like give him cables and stuff!lol

  • Tebogo Tshoma - 2012-02-29 08:09

    what they did is wrong..but we should not all act as if we've never driven at that speed or beyond..the ST should have won that race at 2.7 litres turbo n golf6 has 2.0 turbo..pitty we cant calculate take off...that was a good race...if i were the id win

      Khathu - 2012-02-29 08:22

      Focus ST - 2.5 turbo - 166kw GTI 6 - 2.0 turbo 155kw, the GTI is lighter and the power delivery to the wheels is very good, so i would say if they were both manual, it would boil down to the driver, but if the GTI was a DSG, different story..

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-02-29 09:22

      The ST has an extra cylinder. And at 170km/h, weight isn't important, it's aerodynamics and power output.

      Sibu - 2012-02-29 10:06

      everyone is going on as if 170 is SOOOOO excessive, acting all holier than thou. my work requires me to drive all over the country, imagine stuttering around at 120 to messina, kimberly, nelspruit etc etc, for f...sake i wont get anything done. on my ZX10 Ninja i clock 170 in 2nd gear, whats the fuss about

      ronzaled - 2012-02-29 10:32

      @Sibu; so you decided to bring bikes into this; everyone knows you can't compete with a super bike.

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-03-02 09:12

      My granfather's Valiant Charger is faster than any superbike. It does the 400m sprint in 8.5 seconds.

  • Itu Santino Cortez - 2012-02-29 08:28

    pitori boys ! , happens on a daily basis.

  • Kirsten Leo - 2012-02-29 08:29

    im really disappointed in the general manner of thinking from the comments above. it seems that most of the people commenting are stupid, reckless drivers who would rather discuss the performance of the cars than rebuke these two mens behaviour. shame on you.

      Marcelle - 2012-02-29 11:00

      Agreed Kirsten!

  • Msapa - 2012-02-29 08:36

    GTi & ST!! I wonder who won!? I go for the Gti, Cant wait till i have my own GTi, coz i only race with corolas & tazz`s with my Polo.

  • Thinus - 2012-02-29 08:37

    170? They where still picking up speed. I know for a fact that my car does 167 in 3rd gear. And it happens so fast. My money is on the ST that was infront before they got pulled over by the popo

  • AGvanderWesthuizen - 2012-02-29 09:07

    What a waste of petrol!

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-02-29 09:24

    There's no point in us one moment going "ballistic" about taxi's and then then effectively condoning street racing. These guys should get a stiff fine, at least R10 0000 each.

      Mike - 2012-02-29 12:55

      It is obvious that fines do not stop people speeding - if they did then no one would speed. Fines are merely another sly tax to pay to the state.

  • Alec - 2012-02-29 09:41

    who was winning the race?

  • satanslord - 2012-02-29 10:08

    Speed thrills and it also kills.

      Mike - 2012-02-29 12:56

      Nope, who was killed in this story?

  • djmickzo - 2012-02-29 10:26

    Golf 6 GTI = 155KW Ford Forcus ST = 166KW. Combined the KW you get 321KW. Then 321KW * Police Officer Minutes To Catch Suspects. Convert KW to Year. Then Walaah. Years in jail. or Bail of 321 * Minute + R5000.00

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-29 11:52

      The KW are ok, but the driver and the behaviour of the chasis also plays a big role, if you know what I mean.

  • Marlon - 2012-02-29 10:47

    GTI = Gin Tonic Ice ST = Soft Target

  • wandi.linda - 2012-02-29 10:49

    As long as they were sober minded, I see no problem with that. Release them FAST!!!

  • Sarel Brits - 2012-02-29 10:52

    Nothing as rewarding as seeing a propeller head in is GTI get smaller and smaller in my bike`s mirror life begins at 170

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-03-02 09:16

      I can eat a garage pie in my car at 170. et tu?

  • Zimbobwe - 2012-02-29 10:58

    The doctor is talking bull there is no medical department at Unisa or it's SunnySide campus. Registration Hall and Thutong Learning Centre are the only facilities you get at SunnySide Campus. I saw two police cars racing in the same morning on the same highway. One driving Ford STI and the other Golf GTI 6. Think they learned from the law enforcers.

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-29 11:55

      He;s not a medic you see, and heas never been to varsity, it was just a bs story.

  • Zion - 2012-02-29 11:47

    Jirre but I battled to pass those two. should have seen the speed-cops face when I passed first at 181.5mph. Speed kills.

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-29 15:48

      and how come you and the two are still alive???

      Zion - 2012-03-01 08:27

      Nosiphom: We are alive because there is a program that says "ARRIVE ALIVE" That program also says "SPEED KILLS" So we decided to arrive alive.

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  • comurray - 2012-02-29 12:00

    Only 170km/h, my 15 year old Nissan Sentra 160Sti is faster on a flat surface and a lot faster down hill. Their vehicles need to be tuned.

  • Jango - 2012-02-29 12:11

    The 2 drivers should have worn ski-masks and waved plastic guns around during the dice. No cop would have bothered with them...

  • Gerhardus - 2012-02-29 13:53

    Two slow cars making a noise in an 80 zone does not count as racing. My Merc SL 65 AMG Black series does double that on the same stretch of road. Could be faster if the electronic limiter can be removed.

      Brian M Sithole - 2012-02-29 17:21

      Genuine owners of SL65 AMG's would not find it necessary to make such comments. Wishful thinking, me thinks...

  • Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-03-01 05:51

    I'm sure when in court the lawyers will succesfully argue that these cars are way too slow to be racing, and they're right! If any of them saw my wheels on their rear view mirrors they would move aside

      Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-03-01 06:18

      Jokes aside. People must stick to speed limits

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-03-02 09:18

      I feel that you should be allowed to drive fast when you are alone on the road. Not in town mind you, but on the N1 where you can see for many kilometers ahead of you.

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