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200 SA soldiers took on 3 000 rebels - SANDF

2013-03-25 12:15

Pretoria - About 200 South African soldiers fought 3 000 rebels in the Central African Republic, resulting in the deaths of at least 13 SA National Defence Force troops, the SANDF’s General Solly Shoke said on Monday.

The battle, at Bangui Base, lasted between 13 and 18 hours, Shoke said.

Thirteen SA soldiers have been confirmed dead but there is a 14th body which has not yet been identified. The body might be that of a missing SANDF soldier.

Shoke says the rebels eventually came with a white flag and negotiated surrender.

Twenty-seven South African soldiers were wounded in clashes with rebels who captured the capital Bangui over the weekend, President Jacob Zuma said on Monday.

"During the battle 13 of our soldiers fell, one is unaccounted for," said Zuma.

South Africa deployed 200 soldiers to Central Africa in January to support the poorly trained, ill-equipped government troops following an offensive launched by the Seleka rebel coalition in early December.

"Our soldiers paid the ultimate price in the service of their country.... we honour them," said Zuma.

"Just over 200 of our soldiers fought bandits who wanted to cause harm... but the actions of these bandits would not deter us from from our mission of peace and security," said Zuma.

The rebels renewed their offensive last week and seized the capital Bangui on Sunday, forcing President Francois Bozize to flee the country.

"As a member of the African Union, South Africa rejects any efforts to seize power by force," Zuma told reporters.


Comments
  • Tshephangsithole - 2013-03-25 12:21

    Im proud of them, they stood against 3000 man and for the whole day wow, this guys are blood thirst.

      squeegee.pilot - 2013-03-25 12:33

      If true, then our men did very well. however, this government is the same one that produces the annual Matric results and crime statistics. I don't trust their figures and Zuma is trying to cover his butt. I'll wait and see how these numbers change over then few days before I say much else. There is also the question of why we would have so few soldiers in place to take on such a huge task...

      brian.enslin - 2013-03-25 12:36

      Firstly condolences to the families of the soldiers who lost their lives in this battle. Zuma says that as a member of the AU, we reject any efforts to seize power through force. So what is the plan now? Why are we evacuating? Why are we not providing a base of operations to support the fight against the rebels? A force of 200 soldiers managed to defeat the 3000 rebels, yet the rebels have gained control of the country? Doesn't make much sense? Seems like some spin? If we are truly committed, as Zuma says we are, why not reinforce the troops, send in the Gripens and do some real damage? Why did South Africa not do anything the first time the CAR government changed due to an armed struggle?

      JannieDeVos - 2013-03-25 12:45

      Wow! 200 against 3000... Is that heroic or just plain stupid?

      Denis Dendrinos - 2013-03-25 12:47

      @Jessibelle - well we have 6 pilots - so not much sadly - but problem is we don;t have money to arm them or fly them. @brain - I do know there had been plans to send the rooivalks over last year already. Just wondering what happened.....

      Desilusionada - 2013-03-25 12:52

      How did 200 soldiers get together in a group when they were supposed to be advising the CAR army? Did they stop advising? Should we believe that this base was only manned by SANDF members? Hence 200 vs. 3000. How did they count the 3000? If they accurately knew that number, their intelligence system would have told them an attack was imminent. If the battle was between 13 and 18 hrs, where were the reinforcements? Did the SANDF operate in isolation in the CAR? Why was there no air support? Why even go to the CAR if you know that you have inadequate infra-structure against a certain threat? Or did Zuma know and he just ignored advice? Maybe this expedition was just a little ego-trip or are there more behind this?....

      Holdanigono - 2013-03-25 12:52

      Its heroic, and quite frankly they did not have a choice- they were defending their territory, not the city. The rebels would obviously trying to get their equipment. So that the city fell was not in their hands. And as for those pre 94 stats - that is taken out of context- pre 94 there was time to plan and anticipate and money to throw around to fly jets etc. These soldiers did a sterling job and we can be proud of the SANDF. I have respect for our previous military, but you cannot take away from these guys that they were sterling in battle.

      Sipho Marete - 2013-03-25 12:56

      Ya right, 3000. And you expect us to believe that. In your dreams.

      Jackie Dee - 2013-03-25 12:59

      Brian, it's you and the ANC living in the past, if these figures are accurate then we have a good defense force. But my mind still doesnt believe it.

      CliveK - 2013-03-25 13:00

      BTMogotsi: this has nothing to do with pre- or post-1994: those guys should never have been there in the first place, so whoever sent them to the godforsaken CAR in the first place has blood on his/her hands. A tragedy however you look at it.

      Ygivadamn - 2013-03-25 13:18

      This is what they signed up for, and this is what they have to live or die for. What ever the reasons they were there for may their families be comforted by the knowledge that they loved ones died a soldier's death.

      Marius Roets - 2013-03-25 13:55

      So am I to understand that 200 soldiers who's mandate was to help train CAR troops stood alone against 3000 rebels? So where are the CAR troops a previous report states that SA troops together with CAR troops fought against the rebels was that not true? Looks more like the politicians trying save their own behinds from embarrassment. Just by doing a simple google search reveals CAR rebel movement and military strength so how on earth did the ANC military leadership including the president expect 200 SA soldiers to stand against 3000 rebels?

      Michaele Blignault - 2013-03-25 14:00

      Where did speedy [Zum..Zum] get this crap information from. Any ex-slodier will know that in the bush 200 soldiers could not even hold off a spear yielding attack, let alone one with, probably equal, or better equipment.

      brucemgiles - 2013-03-25 14:11

      Not sure why everyone seems to think the rebels surrendered, they didnt, re read the article, they approached under a white flag (ie truce) to negotiate South Africas surrender. Ambiguity ftw.

      Fther Christmas - 2013-03-25 14:27

      @Hector I'm assuming that you are a childish non-white then? It takes a racist to see race doesn't it? And in answer to your question, yes the vast majority of white males have been in either the military or Police force in the years gone by - it was called conscription.

      Bheki Dingiswayo - 2013-03-25 14:46

      What they were standing for? What is at CAR for South African?

      Hugh O'l Phart - 2013-03-25 14:55

      @Michaele; you forget ops Moduler, Hooper and Packer. 1988.

      alan.gernet - 2013-03-25 15:02

      er well Jacob Sir, I am sorry for the loss of life, but I do not believe SA troops should have been there in the first place. From what I understand, our army has degenerated into an organization that is unfit for warfare, so if the report of 200 vs 3000 is true, I can only assume that the rebels are a completely disorganised bunch. Very sad that some of our citizens fell, not in service of OUR country as stated by the President, but for another country. We have so many problems in our own country, I just cannot understand how we can afford to wastesuch a lot of money and human lives on problems in other countries. Next thing we will send a squad to protect Bob next door! Let's get SA sorted before we try playing politics in Africa.

      kenny.kwenamore - 2013-03-25 15:09

      Why are they not parading on TV the 3000 rebels that surrendered word wakker jong

      Khabane Mosotho - 2013-03-25 15:39

      I don't buy this story. If the rebels raised white flags to surrender, then why did they take over the Capital?.

      brian.enslin - 2013-03-25 16:01

      @ Jackie Please read between the lines of what I wrote.

      Johan Hattingh - 2013-03-25 16:39

      There is a Zulu saying that goes something like this: If you are in a hole, you better stop digging. Take heart SANDF and ANC Gov. Who gave them poor training and equipment, who sent them to CAR, and who sent them into battle against 3000 rebels? You are trying to make it sound like an act of heroism to cover your own backsides, but the (intelligent) world won't beleive it!!

      John Cryink - 2013-03-25 17:01

      Ths morning zuma said a1000 bandit attacked them now it is three thousand when the buriial are held it will be 10000 bandits. Agree condolances to the families of the dead and wounded soldiers

      Jack - 2013-03-25 19:30

      I suspect they displayed more bravery and honour than all the cANCer politicians who sent them to their deaths. RIP.

      Domkonto Wesieswe - 2013-03-25 20:20

      Thees soldiars need a gud leeda end strogn fita !. I wul go to leed them to victoree ! Follow mee !- I am rite behind yous!

      TC - 2013-03-26 09:44

      They fought and the rebels surrendered(??) Yet, the rebels took over the capital? This sounds like hogwash, something from the New Age! Guito Carnival again come to mind. Can one believe anything that comes from this government?

      Kenny Grass - 2013-03-26 13:42

      What are our troops doing in the CAR in the first place,Protecting cANCer and Zoomers interest in the oil fields?

      gideon.walt - 2013-03-26 14:21

      Send more in there!

      Miguel Capelo - 2013-03-26 22:17

      RIP South African Soldiers. Can anyone confirm / substantiate this report: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/03/26/bloody-mission-to-protect-a-dictator

      Denise Ryan - 2013-03-26 22:39

      According to General Solly Shoke, after the rebels kicked SANDF butt, the rebels eventually came with a white flag and negotiated surrender. Bwahahahahaha!!! What utter bollocks and amateur spin doctoring. Only the ANC can turn a bunch of cowardly, yellow belly losers into heroes... Just like Thabo Mbeki at the funeral of Sarah Baartman’s remains, turned a pennyless prostitute and freak show into a national heroine.

  • Simphiwe Charlie - 2013-03-25 12:22

    Why are we tryig to prop up Governments in other countries with the lives of our young men. We had no business there in the first place, who is going to answer "why" to their loved ones??

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-03-25 12:39

      Jesibelle Kruger, Wait a minute, don't knock hippies, I was one and no one can ever call me spineless.

      Cathy De Jongh - 2013-03-25 12:59

      What a senseless loss of life.

      Horst Müller - 2013-03-25 13:03

      Well, yes, the soldiers who lost their lives are victim of politics. And unnecessarily so. They should have been withdrawn when it became apparent that the president of CAR was not going to adhere to the terms of the negotiated treaty. And failing this our troops should not have stood in the way of the rebels. We as a country cannot affort to get involved in these sort of squabbles.

      SaintBruce Bruce - 2013-03-25 13:12

      The old political spin of - protecting military advisers - is what got America embroiled in the Vietnam War! The only reason you have military advisers and their 'protection force' is to protect something of value to you - but WHO is the you? South Africa - as a whole ? Jacob Zuma - personally [ like Mugabe has 'security'in the DRC for his personal diamond mines provided by Zimbabwe troops ] ? Big Business ? Other undisclosed interests ? All of the above are paid for by SA Taxpayers. This was not a UN sanctioned intervention in the CAR. It is tragic that the unstable situation resulted in such a loss of life but the French has exactly the same situation in Cambodia and Laos and did not see the rebels as a serious threat - to the cost of many soldiers lives. 200 against 3000 in a foreign country is not defending SA ! The real reason the troops were there needs to be revealed in full. If the current leaders of the CAR fled the city knowing the attack was coming, why were our soldiers left there ? Lots of questions remain...

      Zathris Voulge - 2013-03-26 11:21

      @Saintbruce: Political stability across the entire continent keeps us safe from foreign incursions. Not only that but it leads to economic activity which helps our economy. Just because some individuals may exploit that situation for their own personal gain, it does not change the fact that our troops' presence in CAR is justifiable for more noble reasons, nor should it be assumed that the primary reason for their presence there is for nefarious purposes (ala Mugabe). Your argument is like saying our police force is unnecessary because there are corrupt individuals operating within it. It's sad that we lost some of our soldiers, yes, but it was in a just cause (peace) and their presence there was for the benefit our nation, even if not as directly as you would have liked. And to be blunt about it, this is what soldiers sign up for. Given the history of African conflicts (remember Rwanda/Burundi? How many millions were slaughtered in the chaos?) I would say it is quite likely that our troops presence and actions saved hundreds, if not thousands, of local civilians from rape, pillage and murder. Lastly, as I understand it, the international community sponsors a significant sum of money to the SANDF to participate in peacekeeping missions in Africa. So I don't think this is costing us, the SA taxpayer as much as you would think, if at all. It's quite likely actually that we are saving tax money by deploying troops in these countries.

      Miguel Capelo - 2013-03-26 22:17

      RIP South African Soldiers. Can anyone confirm / substantiate this report: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/03/26/bloody-mission-to-protect-a-dictator

  • JJ_D - 2013-03-25 12:23

    Salute to our brave men and women!! Winning a battle when you're that heavily outnumbered cannot be easy... RIP to the fallen

      Holdanigono - 2013-03-25 12:54

      You have some serious issues woman

      Jan Hendrik - 2013-03-25 13:05

      Read the article Jesibelle, they took a town a few days before, this was a whole new battle where the rebels surrendered.

      Gift Ndlovu - 2013-03-25 13:38

      Their loved ones need to be compensated with cash as they are now going to struggle.

      Freddie Miller - 2013-03-25 13:56

      No Jan, the rebels negotiated the SA surrender under a white flag. The SANDF did not win.

      Holdanigono - 2013-03-25 15:15

      They surrendered and apologised- it seems like the rebels got a good ass whipping to me.

      Henk Van Biljon - 2013-03-25 21:11

      Gift, is that all you people think about? Some sort of compensation for everything that happens? They were SOLDIERS and soldiers die, it comes with the territory.

  • En Gineer - 2013-03-25 12:24

    Proud of our boys and girls, regardless.

  • Mzuvukile Maswana - 2013-03-25 12:25

    This is an honour that needs to be bestowed to these fallen soldiers. They were mandated as part of an African Union deal with South Africa and had to defend themselves against a pending massacre and now people in their very own country are ridiculing their death. What kind of a country are we then? Everyone has a job and reports to his/her senior and if you disobey instructions then consequences will be met. Comparing the current soldiers with the previous regime's one just leaves a sour taste.

      monaheng.fats - 2013-03-25 12:30

      we should hold hand for those army and may the soul of the dead sons of soil rip

  • Teboho Motsoeneng - 2013-03-25 12:25

    Hmmm, I would love to hear what all those people who were going on about how the SANDF is such an embarrassment have to say for themselves now! I am proud the boys, and my condolences to the families of those soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice...

      Teboho Motsoeneng - 2013-03-25 12:30

      Obviously I need more coffee, I mean "I am proud OF the boys"...

      Thami Nguna - 2013-03-25 12:31

      Msholozi is lying, he's always lying.... He was even lying about why the soldiers were there, think about it. AU missions would never have only South African soldiers, Msholozi or the ANC are there probably for minining. Those poor bustards died for nothing

      Mphefo Lesh Leshabana - 2013-03-25 12:33

      One thing is for sure, our defence force is capable.........i salute all our dead soldiers. May their souls rest in peace

      Mzuvukile Maswana - 2013-03-25 12:40

      @Thami do u know anything or anyone who is deployed in those countries? Chief our soldiers prior being deployed to such areas they undergo an intense training in our Battallion fascilities from Bloemfontein to Pietermaritzburg and Oudtshoorn. I have a close friend who is deployed there and always updates us on confrantations they meet. So kindly refrain from uttering such statements.

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-03-25 12:42

      @Teboho, in the 'evil' old days this type of outnumbering was a daily occurrence during the bush war. Until today the old 32 Battalion still got the highest average kill ratio since WW2, 1:29. Battle of Cuito Cuanavale comes to mind. 11,500 combined Cuban and FAPLA troops. 3000 SADF troops, 8000 UNITA troops. Casualties: - 4,785 Cuban/FAPLA killed -31 SADF troops killed (Official) -3000 UNITA troops killed. Bearing in mind that SADF was in the forefront of the battle...

      Teboho Motsoeneng - 2013-03-25 12:50

      @Johan Mostert, like I said on another comment on this article, I agree with you, however we have got to give our troops credit where it is due :). This is not a matter of "old days" vs "new", think it is a testament to the South African spirit, we have done this since the very beginning; The Boer War, The Anglo Boer War, etc. It goes beyond petty politics. No matter what the situation South Africans will always hold and we have proven this time & time again all throughout our history :)...

      Johan Maree - 2013-03-25 12:51

      I don't blame the soldiers, they were following orders. "the ultimate sacrifice"...this sacrifice wasn't for South Africa (defending their country), it was to help a little dictator who's own country has turned against him. I would like to know who the power hungry psychopath was that sent these men to their deaths? Who ever did this thinks his/her actions have no consequences. That person is responsible for the death of 14 soldiers! Lets see if they are held accountable?

      Thami Nguna - 2013-03-25 13:01

      @ Mzuvukile, common sense bro... If the rebels were defeated I don't see how they would have gone on and taken over that country.

      Sipho Marete - 2013-03-25 13:22

      Hey Teboho, do you really believe the rubbish you read in this comic book or what government tells you???? Catch a wakey bra, or dont drink any more coffee.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2013-03-25 13:26

      Mzukuvile here was the reconaisance/intel on the rebels to allow our soldiers to prepare for such a clash? In the old evil days before FAPLA/SWAPO etc reached a target the nearest patrol as tipped off of their where abouts and the soldiers dealt with the situation accordingly. NB: I am not defending apartheid but I am telling you how an army is supposed to function in a time of war.

      Mewik - 2013-03-25 13:39

      How 3000 people sneak up on you who knows. Surely one needs to question the upper levels of the sadf? Surely some intelligence could have seen this coming and acted accordingly? Send some of those jets and attack helicopters over to help our troops? I mean the fact that they still haven't bothered to send air support must make one wonder what the boss is up to? Or are we waiting for him to finish his round of golf?

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-03-27 10:09

      Seleka Rebel numbers are between 1,000 and 2,000 fighters, according to Roland Marchal, a specialist of Central African conflicts at the Paris-based National Centre for Scientific Research. I seriously doubt that they send their entire rebel army against SANDF. http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/seleka-central-africas-motley-rebel-coalition

      James Sleigh - 2013-03-27 12:31

      @Johan, they were en-route to the city, the 1 parra base was, from what I understand at the/ near to presidential palace. They were all there to take the city with only our troops in the way. The Rebels didn't surrender as some are implying they called a truce/cease fire. There were some old soldiers among them, ex 32bat who confirm this to be one of the biggest firefights he has ever seen. I think its time there was less snotty comments about our forces as they have done their regiments proud, with the limited or zero resources provided by the government. If you still doubt, go visit them at 1Mil.

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-03-27 14:28

      "They were all there to take the city with only our troops in the way." Use your logic, 1. if they were all there to take the city, who was guarding their other strongholds and camps? 2. Secondly, what government in the world will leave their presidential palace to a foreign country to defend? 3. Bottom line is, there couldn't have been 3000 rebels, note the 1000 - 2000 rebels according to international political analysts. There is a huge difference between being snotty to our troops and not falling for the government propaganda.

  • Nico Eksteen - 2013-03-25 12:26

    The rebels surrendered but are now ruling the city. Please explain

      En Gineer - 2013-03-25 12:39

      Maybe it was obvious that over time all 200 of our guys would be killed. But whoever the rebel commander was, might not have been willing to sacrifice more of his people to kill our 200. It happens in war from time to time, both sides stopping, even though its obvious 1 side will eventually win.

      mike.mcc.71 - 2013-03-25 12:50

      So En Gineer, just to understand your take on this - the rebels surrender to prevent further losses and even after having held them off for so long and taken 13 or 14 casualties we then surrender the city and retreat! I think not.

      Sikelelwa Zamantlane Ziyokwana - 2013-03-25 13:32

      Wat do u mean nico.u want sandf 2 rule car nw?the war is btwn rebels and president of their country.dont u understand peacekeeping.?

      Freddie Miller - 2013-03-25 14:20

      The rebels did not surrender to SANDF, they negotiated a truce under a white flag. The SANDF did not win anything.

      Miguel Capelo - 2013-03-26 22:18

      RIP South African Soldiers. Can anyone confirm / substantiate this report: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/03/26/bloody-mission-to-protect-a-dictator

  • Timothy - 2013-03-25 12:27

    I for one would query 3000 rebels as claimed! Did they do a head count before the attack?

      Mphefo Lesh Leshabana - 2013-03-25 12:31

      What head count? That is why we have the intelligence core, stupid

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-03-25 12:41

      Mphefo Lesh Leshabana. Intelligence core?. Obviously you are not a member.

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-03-25 12:43

      Wonder how many was civilians that got in the way.

      Sipho Marete - 2013-03-25 13:03

      @ Timothy - Like disciplined soldiers they all stood roll call at 06H00 parade, then went for a hearty breakfast.

      Mphefo Lesh Leshabana - 2013-03-25 13:09

      @van rensburg ......u must be proud of the SANDF they actually went and fought the rebels even though they were out numbered. Join me in Saluting all those comrades who lost their lives protecting the assets of our beautiful country South Africa

      alon.fisher.752 - 2013-03-25 13:32

      Mphefo what intelligence?? the same intelligence that was supposed to tip the soldiers of the coming attack and hence give time for an ambush on the rebels taking most of them out? No matter how well trained our guys are or are not in any warzone you need A:Field intelligence/Reconaissance B:Logistics C: Extra firepower including air and artillery cover. BTW: WTH were we doing in the CAR any case?

      Chris Clark - 2013-03-26 09:29

      eye in the sky , i am sure george clooney will let you have a look, get all the darfur intel from this method

  • Mandisa Ndzuta - 2013-03-25 12:28

    WOW... condolances to their loved ones

      Thulani Ngomane - 2013-03-25 13:29

      why on earth would someone thumbs down a condolences message ? Sorry sisi I concur with you.

  • Lee Brand - 2013-03-25 12:28

    I rest my case. What have the smart ass armchair warriors have to say now? BUT the leaders who got them into that situation must burn. From jz down.

      Teboho Motsoeneng - 2013-03-25 12:32

      this I agree with

      Barney Dino - 2013-03-25 15:39

      They were deployed there without proper logistical or air support structures. Yes it is a peace support mission, but you need to be prepared properly. This should be a very hard lesson for the rows and rows of generals and ministers. Now the usual Board of Inquiry will be established and the true facts will obviously be ignored in order not to point at any of the "comrades".With only 2 Oryx gunships, it would have been totally different story, but money talks, and the airforce is basically grounded. The Lesotho debacle and this has now shown that our people are not up to combat situations, as there is a severe lack of planning by combat experienced leaders. They have all left.

  • Calie Jacobs - 2013-03-25 12:29

    They took control of the city and then negotiated to surrender? WTF?

      Teboho Motsoeneng - 2013-03-25 12:34

      They took the city, but could not take our base, which is on the outskirts of the city...

      stanford.frost - 2013-03-25 12:46

      I assume they regret the killing of the SANDF members

      BikoGuevaraHaniX - 2013-03-25 13:03

      Nope.. we were never in the city.. they attacked our base outside of it. WE ARE NOT COMBATANTS!!

  • Makes Vdwatt - 2013-03-25 12:29

    I am also proud of them,200 against 3000 c'mon give these guys their dues,and then the other guys surrender,proud of our guys

      alon.fisher.752 - 2013-03-25 13:38

      They could have still done ith a couple of attack helicopters/airstrikes on request or even an ambush party and this all wouldn't have ended tragically.(with a couple of snipers too) You dont leave a special unit without the backup it needs on demand, but why CAR? why not our own borders etc?

  • Nico Eksteen - 2013-03-25 12:30

    I wonder if that spin doctor, Maharaj, has anything to do with this side of the story.

      monaheng.fats - 2013-03-25 12:34

      let the government answer all and why they send few soldier why zuma why our brother we are going to b ophanage why 200 why so less

  • En Gineer - 2013-03-25 12:33

    Here is the story as I understand it. A few hundred of our guys doing their usually day to day training and assisting of CAR Armed forces. About a week or so ago rebels started to move in on the city. Commanders on the ground could see our troops were doomed and asked to pull out, but permission was not given by Pretoria (according to the Defence Union). Boys had no choice but to stick it out, and ultimately pay with their lives.

      Thami Nguna - 2013-03-25 12:36

      That's a more realistic story, but I think showerboy is lying about the reasons behind the deployment

      Tobie Van Greunen - 2013-03-25 12:40

      What msg would it send when troops are withdrawn when the enemy is spotted ? The sadf knew this could happen and so did the soldiers, I respect them for giving the ultimate price and I hope because of their courage that it sends a clear msg that the sandf will not turn tail and run at the sight of danger, they might not be as great as the old defence force but they proved they are just as courageous and will give their lifes.

      Tobie Van Greunen - 2013-03-25 14:13

      Lol Thami Nguna the 'troops' you are referring to could only be the peacekeepers (they wore. Blue berets)and they were unarmed, I can guarantee u if it was normal sa troops those ak wielding thugs would have been shot to pieces before they could stick their ak's above their heads while firing away at nothing so dream on ;)

      Fther Christmas - 2013-03-25 14:41

      @Thami Please tell the families of the thousands of Angolan, SWAPO, and Cubans who were killed in battle with the old SADF that their sons were f*cking useless soldiers considering they let the "loosers" kill them.

      Tobie Van Greunen - 2013-03-25 14:48

      Oh and to add on to my last comment, after the bush war 32batt was redeployed in the townships, I love to see you tell them they sucked ;)

  • Khatwo Nenongwe - 2013-03-25 12:35

    Mr zuma n ur buddies ur doing a good job.frm marican 2 CAR.keep on doing a good work.I just hope dat ur goverment wil support de family of people ur killing

  • Manne Marak - 2013-03-25 12:36

    470 Boere took on 15 000 Zulus 175 years ago and won. Its all about the training & leadership, which there are none.

      Mpaki Mahowa-Ndaliso - 2013-03-25 12:39

      Its very hard for the families of these fellow South Africans. I'm really proud of the job they did and yet sad of their passing. May their souls rest in peace.

      Tshembani T Mhlengwe Mabasa - 2013-03-25 12:42

      u r so dumb moron, how can u compere gun with spear

      stanford.frost - 2013-03-25 13:04

      Zulus fought their battles using spears,your boere used long range assault weapons(guns)

      erich.vonstalhein.14 - 2013-03-25 13:16

      Because the spear was all you bright sparks had invented. And then with true genius, you went up against gun after you had taken your muti. You werent very good in the muti department either, were you? Haha

      bmat - 2013-03-25 17:35

      lol @ these idiots arguing over guns and spears as if they're the bravest on earth.... gotta love keyboard warriors

      Mxoleesee Ka Mzilikazi - 2013-03-26 06:16

      Boers fighting Zulus, which battle was that?

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-03-26 09:13

      "how can u compere gun with spear" How stupid must you be to go to a gun fight with a spear? @Mxoleesee Ka Mzilikazi - battle of Blood River.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-03-25 12:37

    They paid the ultimate price in the service of their country?. Strange how politicians always justify the killing of soldiers as in the service of their country, especially when they die on foreign soil far removed from their country.

      alan.gernet - 2013-03-25 15:04

      Yip - they died in service of SA Politicians

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-03-26 09:13

      Don't all soldiers do?

  • mluleki.simelane - 2013-03-25 12:37

    Bloody white flag, lets send the SAPS there, to sort these rebels out, shoot that flag down

      themba.quinton - 2013-03-25 12:42

      What a stupid comment.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2013-03-25 13:47

      No, SAPS will just try to drag them behind their bakkies.

      Lincoln Pienaar - 2013-03-25 14:36

      lokl ... they might even drag some of those rebels behind a van. But on a much more serious note, condolences to the deceased.

  • Tshilidzi Wa Ha Mukhovha - 2013-03-25 12:38

    My deepest condolences to the family members of the soldiers who passed away, they died in honor and I salute them. Even though they were out numbered by rebels,they were still doing what they have to do in CAR to bring peace and security. But we want our government to send more troops and we gonna fight until we fulfilled our mandate. God bless

  • Clive Toerien - 2013-03-25 12:40

    if the numbers is right SANDF should send reinforcement now and take control of the situation

      Sikelelwa Zamantlane Ziyokwana - 2013-03-25 12:58

      As we speak sandf is busy wth that .

      Lincoln Pienaar - 2013-03-25 14:38

      i think they need to send in the Ama Berrete.

      Senzito Lorenzo - 2013-03-26 11:07

      lets go kick them to the cleaners

  • ernest.letsoalo - 2013-03-25 12:41

    Zuma must be held accountable for his stupidity..how can you send or allow 200 soldiers to stick against 3000 rebels..some people are heartless,believe me!!

      stanford.frost - 2013-03-25 13:36

      The more the troops the more the maney for the purpose. It is all about the money

      alon.fisher.752 - 2013-03-25 13:47

      An airstrike or reinforcements would mean less future wives all at the cost of our on troops who shouldn't be in CAR propping up dictatorships.

      James Sleigh - 2013-03-27 12:50

      @Stanford, it apparently costs R1.2 billion per year to have them there. That is R6000'000'000 per soldier per year is that no is right. As the boys are not staying at the Ritz and don't have equipment, its questionable what the real costs are. So far 13 lives and counting..

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-03-27 14:32

      James, your maths suck! If it cost R1.2billion per year to keep them there, how does that give you R6billion per soldier? It should be R6million per troop.

  • William Molefe - 2013-03-25 12:41

    The rebels came with a white flag, pretending surrender, then they shot at our guys. what is it dat u dont understand. we got special forces there. those guys r well trained and equipped. if not, y r they still in their positions in an invaded land.

  • Erna Westdyk - 2013-03-25 12:42

    'our soldiers paid the ultimate in the defence of their country'! Really - were they killed on our borders?

  • Glenda Gert - 2013-03-25 12:43

    Proud SA moment to our fallen heroes

      Erna Westdyk - 2013-03-25 12:58

      Really? What did they die for? Not anything to do with SA. What were they protecting that belonged to us? We should practise what we preach and stay out of other country's business!

      BikoGuevaraHaniX - 2013-03-25 13:06

      thanks Glenda- what some idiots dont realise is that - "if the other African countries fall, their citizen will seek refuge here in SA. by ensuring they don't have long civil wars we are protecting ourselves.

      Fly Onthewall - 2013-03-25 13:56

      @ Biko - I think not, nice theory but they 1000km's away. We have Zim and Moz crossing our borders daily by foot so don't worry about the far far far away places!!!

  • Anthony Fredericks - 2013-03-25 12:43

    Headline sound like the movie 300, but only SA version "This is SANDFFFF 200"

  • Muffin_man_can - 2013-03-25 12:43

    This sounds like a made up story to me, 200 of our soldiers caused 3000 rebels to surrender? Even American soldiers that are highly skilled in warfare would battle to achieve this with these rebels. I think its just made up to make us think our soldiers didn't die in vain.

  • Siyambuka Archibald Sikrweqe - 2013-03-25 12:44

    Where was the inteligence,task force

      kenny.kwenamore - 2013-03-25 15:04

      Common sense tells you SANDF were under siege and not on the offensive and no way rebels would surrender under the circumstances instead of surrender the rebels would have vanished into dense bushes

      Wim Kotze - 2013-03-25 15:11

      Ever head of AA. They have it in the SADF too.

  • Thembane Colly Hlazboy - 2013-03-25 12:46

    SANDF are well trained and equipped. its a Fact. if that was not the case why would Rebels surrender?

      reality - 2013-03-25 15:05

      Where did you get the idea that the rebels surrendered? They used the white flag to negotiate for the South Africans to surrender. The rebels took control of the city and the country. Does that sound like they surrendered?

      Wim Kotze - 2013-03-25 15:12

      Perhaps they heard of Zumas machine gun?

  • Phillip Joubert - 2013-03-25 12:48

    NO!!!!!!!!. Zumatjie they died for the Congo not for South Afrika you use them for your own political agenda's hope you now listern and rather patrol our own boundaries.

  • Machoene Kaizer - 2013-03-25 12:49

    Rest in peace guys,u hav made te country proud

  • ManJay Gates - 2013-03-25 12:49

    200 soldiers against 3000 heavily armed rebels!! I am actually proud of our soldiers, they represented our country very well. To the deceased soldiers, May your soul R.I.P.

  • Foster P Mahopolo - 2013-03-25 12:56

    Service for their country???????

  • Michael Jackwood - 2013-03-25 12:56

    We must pray for our soldiers, i can imagine what these guys went through so far away from home, 13 hours of heavy bullets passing over they heads, they must be capacitated, Shoke must send the best equipments and take over from those rebels. Rebels must pay for those 13 lives.

      alan.gernet - 2013-03-25 15:05

      huh?

  • Carlton - 2013-03-25 12:56

    Seems like conspiracy theorist have come to roast.

      Bruce Gauld - 2013-03-25 15:12

      What are they roasting? Beef? Lol

  • Brandon Stephenson - 2013-03-25 12:57

    Sad but PROUD . However the question must be asked if our soldiers' over there were and have been prepared for this mission mentally and have been provided and equiped with the correct and adequate amounts of equipment , arms and ammunition ? Hopefully with the troops we are sending up now they will be better prepared for the reality of "war" and kick som @ss !!!!!!! Go SA !

      netswera.livhuwani - 2013-03-25 13:57

      War is no joke these soldiers must go equipped and prepared.and come on, the numbers must be relevant too.learn from the USA.

  • belnick - 2013-03-25 12:57

    Story confirmed. They died HEROES!RIP

  • Tebogo Manala - 2013-03-25 13:02

    I take this time

  • Thabang Phalatse - 2013-03-25 13:02

    Rip. Brothers,fathers and commeràdes in arms.. U fought and defended the weak against ruthless with the risk of ur own lives. Sure SA is in good hands. Continue doing what u do best.. Proudly south african.

      Coen Venter - 2013-03-25 13:11

      thabang south africa in good hands your an idiot

      Stephen Michael - 2013-03-25 13:41

      Coen...you're

  • Matthias Van Der Neut - 2013-03-25 13:03

    sounds like black hawk down

  • Andrew Visagie - 2013-03-25 13:03

    what are we doing in the DRC?

      Boikanyo Nakampe Mahasha - 2013-03-25 13:13

      Protecting the mines for the cat cats like Zumas nephew.

  • Eric Jansen Van Vuuren - 2013-03-25 13:04

    So we take it that when a country overthrows a dictator that we, the all mighty South Africans are going to send 200 super soldiers to them horrible rebels to change their hopes for peace and interfere so they align with our warped sense of reality. It seems like just another copy & paste from the US policy playbook. Who said we want to be represented in that way. Imagine where we would be if the previous regime got that kind of help. Where would the ANC be today? Where would our humanity be today? Wake-up and listen to the beat of your country, you mister Pressy are directly to blame for everything that takes place under your watch, and eventually everybody stands defenceless in front of their guilt.

  • BikoGuevaraHaniX - 2013-03-25 13:05

    IDIOTS!! WE ARE NOT COMBATANTS!! our army was attacked outside the city at our base. our soldiers were not armed for war nor battle but rather for Safeguarding the base. what these MEN did is astonishing. RIP to the families, I AM PROUD of THEM!!

      Phillip Joubert - 2013-03-25 13:17

      Hi Idiot this was not our base it was base in the CONGO.

      Theo Leeuw - 2013-03-25 13:21

      i totally agree wit u bra*

      Tuner - 2013-03-25 14:34

      biko, you like many (such as theo), really talk a load of sh#t. What do soldiers do when safeguarding a base? Fight a battle, of course. What do you think the rebels used? Tanks and SAM missles!

      Bruce Gauld - 2013-03-25 14:56

      The CAR should have launced a preemptive strick against the rebels before they started all this again.

  • Sanet Janssen - 2013-03-25 13:07

    Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori... (not so much in this case)

  • Trevor Mashilo - 2013-03-25 13:09

    Rest in Peace.....we r wit u

  • Makhosonke Mqikela - 2013-03-25 13:09

    I hope these figures are not 'cooked' just to save the General's and/SANDF's face/s.

  • Bradley Stewart - 2013-03-25 13:12

    Zuma, how about a mission of peace and security for your own country! In case you haven't noticed, it's burning up around you, Frog!

  • veldt66 - 2013-03-25 13:12

    Black Hawk down!

  • galmzala - 2013-03-25 13:13

    very sad that we as SAns we are here calling each other names instead of mourning our soldiers. lost nation all i can say.

      Tuner - 2013-03-25 14:35

      Not going to bring them back. Mistake already made.

  • Tiaan Truter - 2013-03-25 13:13

    Zuma should keep hes mouth shut,he cant even keep peace in hes own country...either way good job too our troops and RIP for the fallen

  • Mdumela Holdings - 2013-03-25 13:16

    We cant play america in africa under the leadership of idiot zuma if that is the intentiion