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500 000 e-tags sold, Sanral says

2012-11-15 22:15

Johannesburg - At least 500 000 e-tags have been sold to motorists and fleet vehicle owners in Gauteng, the SA National Roads Agency (Sanral) said on Thursday.

"At least 500 000 have been sold: 300 000 of them have been bought by private individuals," Sanral representative Alex van Niekerk told a public hearing in Johannesburg.

His statement was met with loud boos from the public. Some people walked out of the packed hall in Sunninghill.

Last month, the government and Sanral announced new tariffs for e-tolling of Gauteng's freeways.

The announcement, which was made on 26 October, marked the beginning of a 30-day public consultation process, after which Transport Minister Ben Martins would have a fortnight to "apply his mind", followed by another fortnight to gazette the final tariffs.

This means e-tolls could come into effect four days before Christmas.

Van Niekerk found it difficult to go through his presentation on how to register for e-tolls and buy e-tags.

He was accused of lying and assuming that residents were stupid.

The e-tolls were set for looting, screamed an old man at the back of the hall.

"Lies, lies, lies..." people shouted at Van Niekerk from all corners of the hall.

Comments
  • slikhethe33 - 2012-11-15 21:43

    Sandal please note that I m not going to buy an e-tag. I m also not going to pay for this toll. U can come and arrest me. I pay enough tax.

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 22:46

      shame they have to actually HOLD these meetings - I am sure they do not like the outcome - wait until you see what happens once they say it is fully implemented!!! DOWN WITH ANC AND ZUMA!!!

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-15 22:55

      Yes and I think its almost exclusively parastatals, the big corporations and the like that do business with gvt, that forced their employees to register in the first round of registering. You earned your salary Mr. van Niekerk, but I doubt that will be a bargain.

      junaid.vanderwalt - 2012-11-15 22:56

      Where is those guys who used to steal cables (Izinyoka), i'm sure they can make good money on those guntries lights and cables.

      godfrey.welman - 2012-11-15 23:12

      500 000 e-tags sold, ja right, like 1 mil. uses like this comment.

      louwc - 2012-11-16 01:44

      A couple of months ago news24 reported that the Government bought just over 250 000 tags - do the math it does not add up...300 000 individuals out of 500 000?

      guy.rice - 2012-11-16 05:41

      SANRAL insisted all information on e-Tags was in the public domain. When challenged that OUTA could then be released from their non disclosure document they hastily back tracked. They did offer that any member of the public could have a copy of the un-censored tender documentation and Electronic Toll Collection company contract if they signed an NDA. Lies, Lies and more Lies. Our campaign for full disclosure on e-Toll continues. We presented the DOT with a petition of over 1,000 signatures at the DOT presentation in Sunninghill. Thank you! e-Tolling is not transparent and the public are unable to make any assessment until Sanral makes public the agreement with ETC. Sign at http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Freedom_of_access_to_information/

      kim.buren - 2012-11-16 05:49

      Bwhahahahaha to those that bought an e-tag. Grow some balls for heaven sake. They stand alone on this one. Idiots

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-11-16 06:18

      You guys pay for e-tags? what the?

      fedupandsad - 2012-11-16 06:37

      @slikhethe33 - My sentiments exactly. And news24 can publish all the numbers they want, this tax cow has had enough.

      frank.kistler.31 - 2012-11-16 06:50

      On radio this morning i heard a guy saying....govt only listens to violence..i like his idea but how do u burn a steel gantry LOL??

      Mike - 2012-11-16 07:12

      Fully agree with you Slikhethe33: it'll be a cold day in hell when I decide to get one of these!! No e-tags, no payment of fines if/when they arrive and yes, I WILL continue to use the freeways which you and I have already paid for over and over again in our taxes.

      joe.soap.39545464 - 2012-11-16 07:54

      ... and what do we see for the 65% TAX we pay on our hard earned money - N O T H I N G !!! Just corruption and fraud ! Did ANY ONE for instance questioned the last petrol increase so that the people at the fuel pumps can get paid more money - NONE OF THEM RECEIVED ONE CENT !!!!!

      preshen.govender.12382 - 2012-11-16 08:13

      Don’t buy e-tags , don’t bug

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-16 10:20

      Ricey - hey I GOT an idea! If any member of the public can sign an NDA and get the uncensored documents, then why not get a whole bunch of us - let's say 500,000 members of the public sign and get the NDA! Then ONE of them anonymously should publish it via the internet! Let's see if they can get ANYTHING legally pursued THAT WAY!!! hahahaha

      arthur.hugh - 2012-11-16 17:42

      Just boycott it and use other roads - bankrupt the pigs.

      grant.beeton.7 - 2012-11-18 17:01

      F.U. Sanral and the bunch of thugs pulling your strings...You are a bunch of liers..500 000 my backside. I wont buy one at all.. come and find me after I use the highway all day everyday!

  • StreetRacer911 - 2012-11-15 21:44

    Why tax consumers on the use of roads, when it is their money that paid to pave those roads and their money was mismanaged over many years leading to the dramatic state of roads all over the country? Government should take the hit, not consumers that are under lots of pressure already

  • goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-15 21:45

    Then 500000 cars are going to need new paint jobs...just walk past them with supermarket trolleys, car keys or anything that can do serious damage to a paint job....accidently of cause!

      brian.exmachina - 2012-11-15 21:51

      Please don't be impressed by this 500000 car figure. Only 300000 of them are privately owned, and there are between 4m and 5m registered cars on Gauteng's roads; that represents less than 10% of people. Even if they aren't lying (they probably are) it's a drop in the ocean.

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 22:47

      PLUS whatever comes from their mouth are only lies - these are inaccurate figures! And I put it to them to prove that!

      goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-16 05:49

      The only way that we as the public will be able to stop the e-tolling is by not registering for e-tags and by doing so, forcing the administration process surrounding the collection of the money to collapse. To achieve this we need everyone to stand together on the issue. This is where the problem comes in, government knows that the target market for e-tags is the middle and upper class citizen that will not stand together because it is too much of a risk for them to get blacklisted etc. whereas the taxis have nothing to lose and will actively fight the e-tolls and are therefore exempted. So to convince the middle and upper class citizens to stand together you will actually need intimidation....the same principal that was used during apartheid with neck lacing, at Marikana, in the Western Cape etc. The problem is we see it as barbaric and against the law to intimidate people and to damage someone else’s property and rightly so...it is criminal to damage someone else’s paint job but that in my view is the only way that you will get people out of their comfort zones and to get them actively involved. The reaction to my comment therefore tells me that the corrupt ANC\Government is banking on the fact that we the middle and upper classes, will not resolve to intimidation because we still have too much to lose which makes us ripe for the picking. In short, a civilized mentality in a country governed by barbaric rules will always favor the barbaric.

      vaughan.lund - 2012-11-16 07:11

      Don't be impressed by these figures. The vast majority of these 500,000 are from the likes of the Bakwena toll concession which were registered way before eToll even came along.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-16 07:56

      How do you know when SANRAL is telling a lie? Their mouths are moving.

      denise.herbst.5 - 2012-11-16 13:35

      I think there is a difference between buying the thing and registering it? Not that I will do either!

  • johnny.potatoes61 - 2012-11-15 21:49

    Lies!

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-11-15 21:58

    This van niekerk dude is a liar

  • gesigboekie - 2012-11-15 22:05

    It was called SA to boycott the wine farmers, let's rather put that energy to good use and boycott these useless 'jungle gyms'! As mentioned by many, we, the taxpayer's have paid and are still paying our dues toward road works.

  • Sharmay - 2012-11-15 22:35

    So glad that I am not one of the private idividuals that have bought one. And for the record, I don't plan on buying one soon..I'm sick and tired of the government sticking their hands in our pockets.. The fuel levys and taxes would have been sufficient to upgrade the road but the money went on house upgrades instead. Government, go find your money elsewhere..

  • SharonE - 2012-11-15 22:39

    Prove it, Sanral. Names of the 500 000 will suffice!!!!! Until then, why the hell should we believe you, you lie, you lie, you lie!! All together now...

      maximillion.power.79 - 2012-11-15 22:54

      It will be the largest recorded Smith family to have settled in one location in the world.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-16 05:54

      And Some Jones too

  • maximillion.power.79 - 2012-11-15 22:39

    Well then, at least 500,000 motorists and fleet owners need to be dragged out into the street and publicly humiliated....better yet shot.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-16 17:56

      A good flogging is what they need.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-16 19:56

      Flog the E tags..

  • diewitbaas.seplathand - 2012-11-15 22:51

    Ja Sanral, en n BEESP*** is n wallet. Julle werfetters sal maar die vals ou nommerplaatjies op my voertuig moet opvolg, maar dis die naaste wat julle klomp dosies aan my geld sal kom. Ek sal help om julle ou gantrietjies tot op die grond af te brand sou daar civil disobedience plaasvind. Julle sal ook maklikr my knobb kan polish as om enige tax weer uit my te kry, F** JULLE

  • attie.snyders - 2012-11-15 22:54

    SANRAL put your money where you mouth is. Proof it! Show us the 500000. Oh, sorry forgot you don't have to show us! That is how we taxpayers have to live. My money is my money, SANRAL will not get it.

  • attie.snyders - 2012-11-15 22:56

    I am paying for those roads everyday when I fill up with petrol. SANRAL why don't you have a public information meeting in SOWETO! Try it I dare you!

  • charmaine.rowlands - 2012-11-15 23:07

    wow, didn't realise that we "300,000" complete idiots in SA. Not happening on my car. Catch me if you can

  • Jacques - 2012-11-15 23:20

    Of all the blatant lies we've been conned into, this surely takes the cake. Give me 5 people who've bought the stuff?

      shaun.swindon.3 - 2012-11-16 07:17

      My boss bought one :(

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-16 08:00

      No you bought him one. Payment coming out of your year end bonus.

  • phillys.winterbottom - 2012-11-15 23:26

    your farking gantrys will burn SANRALSCUM.

  • SaintBruce - 2012-11-15 23:28

    How many cars in the Government Garage? I bet they won't get billed either! The Gauteng Premier made a big show of getting her eTag a while back yet I bet she won't get billed as she would use Blue Light emergency rules all the time to avoid paying. Here's a plan - all buses and registered taxis can get a special eTag which provides them 3rd party insurance and public liability cover at say, R 49.45 per month - no other billing but we, the legal users of the roads would know they have insurance.[and are traceable] Overseas - No insurance = removed from the road. Plain and simple! Why are we such pussies?

      John Camp - 2012-11-16 06:41

      bro' if what these clowns are claiming is correct, 1 out of every 8 comments on this article would be 'accommodating' towards SANRAL. go figure!

  • sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-11-15 23:29

    If the ANC's goons can collect the monies from the motorist then this will be the first thing they've got right in the 18 years in power.....

  • dericslab - 2012-11-15 23:36

    Ha ha ha! Who actually believes this article?!

  • nhla.prv - 2012-11-15 23:45

    thats less than 1% of the cars in GP.

      fabian.houten - 2012-11-16 06:45

      meaning there's 50000000 cars in gauteng... lol. maths a bit off there...

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-16 08:02

      If you consider some loyal cANCer supporters bought 2 to show their loyalty to zzzzzzzzzooooooooommmma

  • hjkavdkah - 2012-11-16 00:06

    What ever

  • mike.jankelowitz - 2012-11-16 00:14

    If everyone refuses to buy the tag, it sinply wont work. First they bribed the taxis by allowing them to not pay, then Cosatu, by offering them part of the income, now? People, stick together and refuse to buy them. Simple really.

      kent.paulsen.79 - 2012-11-16 13:56

      They are forcing us to become the like the taxi drivers, LAWLESS. Then the whole population will be on even keel: LAWLESS. Shame anc shame.

  • www.internationalflyerz.co.za - 2012-11-16 00:24

    Twist and turn your e-tag however you want, I'M NOT BUYING ONE, NOT WILL I EVER PAY FOR THIS NONSENSE! All SANRAL is doing is trying to send out a message that people (in large numbers) are buying their crap, while I'm sure the reality is far from this!

  • gavinmannion - 2012-11-16 02:04

    I do find it amusing how insane people become about e-Tolls... There are actually people calling for cars to be vandalised for buying e-tags. As a side note some large corporates in South Africa are forcing employees to buy e-tags if they want to keep their vehicle allowances so the figure could well be 100% accurate

      hein.huyser - 2012-11-16 06:43

      you one of them?

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-16 08:05

      Yes but the said companies are picking up the tab as well. I have to pay my own which will not happen.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-11-16 03:17

    No ways!These e-tags were bought by various govt depts and parastatals.Period.

  • snoopy.zoomzoom - 2012-11-16 05:11

    Y are they forcing us to pay,We don't like it, we don't wana pay it either.wat we are spending now on discs,fines n petrols is enough.Motorist we must consider making our voices head,Take out 1 of etoll structure out maybe they'll listen to us.Its cruelty n undermining Gauteng drivers. I won't buy it.

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-11-16 05:19

    They should've made him swallow an e-tag!

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-16 05:23

    Setting SANRAL up fot a fall. This e-tolls pays for Zuma's retirement and Nkandla house.

  • jackitribe - 2012-11-16 05:45

    Well 500 000 residents ARE stupid!!

  • mica.gogome - 2012-11-16 06:08

    Its a lie.LIE LIE LIE LIE............

  • rachell.lass - 2012-11-16 06:17

    LIAR !

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-11-16 06:24

    I know one clown who bought a tag, one................500,000 my poophole sanral, more lies & deceit. You rotter’s should be put up against a wall & shot for economic sabotage. Down with etolling. Van Niekerk & that other clown, Nazi Alli are the biggest liars next to the anc polititians.............low down scum.

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-11-16 06:28

    obviously there are some people who are in agreement with e tolling what would be more democratic than allowing them to pay for the use of the roads and those against dont need to pay ,

  • breinlekkasie.dodelikegif - 2012-11-16 06:38

    Can't the public get some of those fired miners to come and strip the toll gates over a weekend? That would be a first for COSATU since it will exclude violence and send a clear message to Sanral and Bennie. The fired miners can sell the parts back to Sanral and make a couple of bucks to make a living.

  • karel.dutoit.50 - 2012-11-16 06:51

    IDIOTS SANRAL and the people who bought etags

  • brionyl.french - 2012-11-16 06:54

    so we 500 000 village isiots out 12. something million

  • hein.huyser - 2012-11-16 06:56

    So what. All this number proves is that we have some fools amongst us or too big gov. Departments NO TO TOLLS, what part of this don't you get. I hope and pray that this will be the one subject to get all South Africans to start to speak out with one voice against the atrocities of the government Then the next step will be easier. Seems that we will se Jesus' return in our time after all.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-16 08:08

      Of course we have fools in our province, who voted for cANCer anyway. 500 000 drivers and the rest use taxi's

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-11-16 06:58

    you know that u are lying bogged them down in court people they cannot and i dont think they will be able to prosecute everybody so show them that this baby is a stillborn

  • rufus.manyama - 2012-11-16 06:58

    SANRAL-GO TO HELL!

  • john.ferreira.1213 - 2012-11-16 07:03

    In the past the vehicle owner knew when his license expired and then a new one bought, now a notice gets posted to remind him or her. It was said that the cost to that piece of paper was R30.00 and it would be a once off to cover the cost of upgrading the licensing system. That was - 4 years ago and it is still in use and the amount is now R36.00, the reason is that the ANC government has realised that this racket is now raking in the money. Imagine the number of vehicles that have to be licensed every year and the motorist pays what is now called a transaction fee, you do the maths. Now there is this scourge called E tolling, just another way to fleece the motoring public.

      Mike - 2012-11-16 07:16

      You are absolutely correct John: the only thing we now have to do is physically destroy the gantries together with their control rooms. Maybe we can get the clowns who specialise in burning and looting to harness their detructive talents in this regard??

  • annmarie.streicher - 2012-11-16 07:29

    SANRAL the residence of Northern Pretoria are already robbed blind in paying Bakwena tolls on a daily basis!!!! We ARE taking a stand and will under no circumstances come hell or high water PAY YOUR E-TOLLS!!!!! HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!!

  • ashley.stroebel - 2012-11-16 07:32

    LOL.....trying to convince us are they. Hahaha. This dictatorship can not force us to our knees!!! Unite people os SA!!!

  • john.ferreira.1213 - 2012-11-16 07:37

    if only what you mentioned can be done Mike,here in the Eastern Cape (where I live) this E toll system has not reared its ugly head yet, but it will happen. I wonder what the black motorist is going to say then, when they travel to and from Port Elizabeth to Bisho on a daily basis. I live in Alexandria and notice these fancy motor cars every day of the week. You can be sure that once this E tolling system is up and running, then the rest of the country's big city's road network is going to be roped in as well.

  • firstseed.mbeva - 2012-11-16 07:37

    I have petitioned in the past,it never worked,so I am buying a tag

  • kevin.duraan - 2012-11-16 07:43

    500000 cowards, backstabbers

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-11-16 07:43

    Can someone who's bought an e-tag please respond to these claimed sales figures. I don't know anyone who's bought one. Let's here from you, name with tag picture please. Then, give us a good reason for having done so. I'm sure you will not be treated as a criminal ....oh I'm so stupid, here comes a whole fictitious Sanral employee names. Forget it guys

  • flysouth - 2012-11-16 07:47

    I was at this meeting - perhaps that should be 'bunfight' - with about 300 others. SANRAL and company arrived intending that we should sit and listen, like good schoolkids while they droned on through their Powerpoint slides to show us the great 'benefits' for us of their grand plan! Nazir Allie was visible not at the meeting but only before the meeting started, outside the doors talking to another man and the only high-level SANRAL exec on the podium was Alex Van Niekerk who is I think their MD. On the agenda handed out Q&A was Item #4 of 5 - very early on we changed that when one person stood up whilst one SANRAL speaker was in mid stride to tell them we were not there to listen to their nonsense - we were there to tell them our views! From that point the meeting became very, very rowdy, with questions and statements from the floor all very antagonistic towards SANRAL and the entire tolling plan. The lady from Treasury tried to tell us of the superb benefits to be had from paying to use roads which we have never paid for - poor girl, she was bombarded with insults and people were shouting at the tops of their voices - sheer pandemonium! SANRAL was asked by people why they had not scheduled any such meetings in Soweto, Tembisa etc etc - no answers forthcoming there!

      flysouth - 2012-11-16 07:58

      >>contd The atmosphere was thick with anger throughout the meeting. 2 guys in red shirts from COSATU told SANRAL that since they have failed to listen to the people, then the final recourse would be to foment civil disobedience and block the roads if tolling were introduced. I was trying for quite a while to grab the attention of the MC of the meeting but he seemed to want to ignore me - I therefore hijacked the microphone being moved around to audience members by attendants in order to have my say. I reckon the MC had noticed me heckling very loudly and wanted to exclude me - no way, jose! All in all that meeting and probably the ones beforehand must have informed SANRAL and their sole shareholder, the government, that they have a massive fight on their hands.There was not a single person present who was not vehemently and angrily against SANRAL's plan. The most appalling thing of course is that they are prepared to enter that conflict against their own citizens. Like the lack of rationale which we saw in the massively corrupt and hugely damaging Arms Deal, this latest plan also lacks rationale in the extreme - and one has to ask of government, "why go ahead with it when it has massive potential to cause huge resentment, great conflict and ultimately yet more civil unrest with attendant violence and blood"?

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-16 09:39

      Thanks for the commentary, better than News24. So was there any closing statements by SAnral, and what the the general feeling like after the meeting?

      flysouth - 2012-11-16 13:36

      @dave.elmore.5 If we had buns we would have been throwing them! I left at about 20:20h before the closing and by then the 'fierce' stuff appeared to be over, many had already left in disgust and SANRAL people had reverted to trying to present their Powerpoint with excruciating details of tariffs etc. Clearly they did not know what else to do, like the poorly-programmed robots they are! They were not there to discuss the rights and wrongs - only to try to promote their pathetic plan.

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-16 07:53

    BULL SH*T

  • stephen.j.dickson.3 - 2012-11-16 07:59

    So there's at least 500 000 morons in Gauteng then!!!!!!!

  • tshidiso.mathang - 2012-11-16 08:18

    Ok you can overcharge those 500 000 morons u have our blessings!!!

  • fritz.duquesne - 2012-11-16 08:22

    this is simple. someone must pay for the new roads. Either the users directly (via toll), or everyone (tax in the form of fuel levy, govt money etc). I think it would be more fair for users to pay. This concept of focussed taxation, and of public/private toll-roads is very widespread everywhere else. I am sorry for not jumping on the ban e-toll wagon, but many of the arguments are just so lame. There is also something interesting that happens in these debates - the people with the biggest issues make their voices the most heard, so in this case you hear all comments from motorists who object to paying. The silent majority (75% of people dont live in Gauteng), may well be in favour of the toll roads, or else they will indirectly have to subsidise roads they will never use. I myself do live in Gauteng by the way, and am in favour of them. So please stop assuming everyone is so rabidly anti-toll road.

      glenn.chi.9 - 2012-11-16 08:31

      Fritz, you miss the point. No one is saying we don't want to pay for upgraded roads and infrastructure, we are saying that the methodology of collecting the tariff is flawed - up to half of what we pay will be for collection costs! What others are saying is that put it into the fuel levy - the collection costs are zero (as they already collect the fuel levy) and the entire collection can be used to maintain the roads. Then they come with the "user pays" principle and why should someone in ECape pay additional fuel levy. I say, they don't, just increase the fuel levy in Gauteng, its not that hard! But what about people in Gauteng who don't use the highways you ask? Well, looking past the 1st derivative and into the unintended consequences of tolling, people who historically did use the highways will now use alternative ("back road") routes, which means that these routes will become congested and frustrate the people who don't historically use the highways. Plus, because tradesmen (plumbers, builders etc) and delivery companies will now be hit with massive increases in transport costs, they will start using the back roads and because these are now trucks using these roads, these roads will start to deteriorate very quickly. And guess what, the fuel levy will have to increase so that we can maintain these road now too (because you can't toll back roads). And when that happens, all the people who don't use the highways will end up paying anyway! Just use the fuel levy!

      emiel.vandenhoute - 2012-11-16 09:33

      And further to glenn.chi.9. What happended to the exisitng fuel levy. Upon institution, it was ringfenced for road maintenance. After a while the fence was removed and the funds used for other purposes. Efficiency of collection is at the heart of the issue. Increased taxes is the intended consequence, because the existing fuel levy is now committed to other causes. The resistance grows with every increase and with a deepening awareness of waste and misappropriation of tax monies which has reached appalling proportions.

      flysouth - 2012-11-16 13:47

      In terms of your argument in favour of user-pays (focussed taxation) as one guy said at the meeting, what about the new road which is being built to Kosi Bay where he goes diving? How will that then be taxed, when relatively few people use it - will they then each have to pay, say R500 per km when they use it? The same fallacy applies to all roads with lower useage in SA, in small towns and dorps across the country! Also user-pays cannot be applied universally in the face of extreme disparities of income, which makes it a grossly unfair system totally unsuited to SA. We all subsidise roads we never use through the fuel-levy and other taxation which provides the money to build and maintain all roads in SA - means of collection has worked for decades and is only now seen as deficient by the powers that be because they have illegally raided that fund for other purposes! SANRAL has already announced what we already knew - the tolls will be rolled out rapidly across the country as soon as the pilot programme in Gauteng is up and running! The 'silent majority' I am afraid will simply have to suck on the hind tit - silence in the fact of injustice is always seen by government as acquiesence, nothing else. Keeping silent is keeping irrelevant! Just the way it is - especially in SA, surely people have learned this from our black brothers?