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ANC defends 'kill the boer' song

2010-03-11 12:24

Johannesburg - The ANC defended youth leader Julius Malema on Thursday for singing, "shoot the boers, they are rapists", saying the lyrics of the song had been quoted out of context.

"Let's discuss appropriately on this matter. Don't blame Julius. In fact, on this one, I will defend him," ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu told Sapa by phone on Thursday morning.

"This song was sung for many years even before Malema was born... Julius doesn't even know who's the writer of the song. He got it from us [the ANC]. You must blame the ANC, don't blame Julius. But when you blame the ANC, then contextualise it."

Old struggle song

Mthembu said the song was an old struggle song that Malema learnt from his ANC colleagues.

There were many songs in South Africa's history that could offend people, he said.

"I know of songs that sing of generals... but let's leave that aside," he said, declining to name the song, but in a clear hint to the Afrikaans hit, "De la Rey", about a general in the Anglo-Boer war.

The song Malema sang was not meant to attack boers, said Mthembu.

"If you don't look at the song in its entirety, then you lose the meaning," he said, before starting to sing it to Sapa during the telephonic interview.

Mthembu then explained: "It [the song] says, 'some people are cowards', it says, 'use your gun to shoot', because it is reminiscent of fighting a war."

Cowards


It refers to all people who are cowards, including blacks who were cowards, Mthembu said.

"[It is about]... black people who were cowards... it means oppressive forces, it means those who are against transformation, those who are saying this ANC regime is against the 'blanke volk' [the white nation].

"There are some white people who say so, who say we were better off with white 'volk' in government."

Mthembu said he knew not all white people said this.

The song was also sung in the past by white freedom fighters.

"Even when we sang the songs, we didn't want Joe Slovo to be killed. Ronnie Kasrils... in fact, they were leading us in those songs."

Malema is facing a criminal charge and a complaint with the SA Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) for reportedly singing at the University of Johannesburg, "Dubula amabhunu baya raypha" (Zulu for, 'Shoot the boers, they are rapists) with a group of students.
The song is reminiscent of the late Peter Mokaba, a former ANC Youth League leader known for chanting the slogan, "kill the boer, kill the farmer" during the struggle against apartheid.

Criminal charge

The Freedom Front Plus laid a criminal charge against Malema for allegedly advocating hate. The Afrikanerbond lodged a complaint with the SAHRC.

The Freedom Front Plus won an appeal related to the "kill the farmer, kill the Boer" slogan in 2003 when the SAHRC ruled it constituted hate speech.

Mthembu said people who were unhappy with the singing of the song should approach the ANC so it could be discussed.

"The issue is, indeed, some people might be correct that there might be songs we should not sing. Let them put them on the agenda and convince the ANC that we should not sing those songs and tell us why.

"But then they should also look at songs that were sung by the forces of oppression."

Comments
  • Cal - 2010-03-11 12:31

    Pathetic - As per usual Ju-Ju can do as he pleases and get away with it - who the hell is he sleeping with to get this kind of protection !

  • Thusla - 2010-03-11 12:33

    ...this guy is seriously drunk.We need to remove this ANC before it is too late.I think there is no one sane in their leadership.Malema,Zuma,Mthembu,Cele etc

  • Clement - 2010-03-11 12:33

    Well what can we expect from Mr jackson Mthembu. We heard he was arrested for drunken driving. He must have been drunk when he defended Malema.

  • andrew - 2010-03-11 12:33

    Yes spin doctor, go worry about your DUI charge instead, bunch of clowns

  • utah - 2010-03-11 12:34

    Not suprised

  • Ruthless - 2010-03-11 12:34

    I take it Mthembu was still drunk this morning. (Or did he start drinking again after been caught drinking and driving).

  • Anom - 2010-03-11 12:34

    I disagree... blame julius the clown...he knew exactly what he was singing... Surely he is a educated man, and should know what words he speaks and sings....

  • Daryl - 2010-03-11 12:34

    ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu has been arrested for drunken driving ............ this is the idiot who is defending malema, saya a lot about the ANC as a whole
    (A drunk defending an Idiot)

  • Pieter - 2010-03-11 12:35

    At the next VF+ meeting someone should sing "Kill the blacks, They are rapist" Imagine how that will go down!!!!

  • Graham - 2010-03-11 12:36

    I cannot believe this explanation from the ANC as the spokesman is talking s..t. I do not know what hold Malema has over the ANC but he is stirring up racial tensions in the country and needs to be reined in before someone has a pot shot at him which will cause a lot of trouble but will be justly deserved.

  • Sizu - 2010-03-11 12:36

    What idiotS! Both Malema AND Mthembu.

  • Kerry - 2010-03-11 12:37

    Shot man! Were you pissed at the time of your statement? LOL only in the ANC, what a joke. Somebody better take Malema seriously and stop him in his tracks right now, he is a bitter bitter person and will only be happy once he caused absolute havoc in this country. Why can't the ANC see this?

  • gboy - 2010-03-11 12:38

    You cant be serious!!!

  • Gorilla - 2010-03-11 12:38

    What a shocker. Do they think we are all idiots??

  • Generaal - 2010-03-11 12:38

    In the rest of the world things like this were banned, saying it is an old freedom song is hogwash. You will be arrested in Europe if you do the Nazi salute, you don't even have to sing Nazi songs. The song goes back to times before Malema was born, it was a freedom struggle song... I thought you got your freedom years ago, and the only thing you are struggling with is to stay sober and out of jail.

  • Jacques - 2010-03-11 12:39

    The forces of oppression have long gone....

  • Luke - 2010-03-11 12:39

    Was Mthembu sober when he defended Lil' Julie?

  • shakes - 2010-03-11 12:39

    sounds like someone whose under the influence

  • stroobz - 2010-03-11 12:39

    and this same fool just got arrested for drunken driving? this is too brilliant. could there possibly be a more inept regime than the ANC? its like theyre trying to detroy themselves with personal ridicule!

  • erm - 2010-03-11 12:39

    oooooh, it all makes sense now, how on earth did i miss the fact that "boer" meant any person of any race or culture who is opposed to unity and dares to say that the government is against boers(in this instance boer now means "wit volk").

    bottom line - "ANC supports message to kill white South Africans"

  • JPF - 2010-03-11 12:39

    Mr Mthembu so while we at it can I start using the "K" word again....

  • Graham - 2010-03-11 12:40

    I see now that Jackson Mthembu has now been arrested for drunken driving--maybe he was out of his skull when he made these remarks defending Malema. Why does the ANC not get rid of these idiots!!!

  • Richard - 2010-03-11 12:40

    Why don’t the media simply not report on Malema and his doings. It simply amplifies what he is trying to do. Leave it to the few hundred supporters that share his view and let the rest of the country build it to its full potential together!

  • Johan Nel - 2010-03-11 12:40

    This is a much better response than what i was expecting. But... what is the context of SInging this song in a political assembly TODAY. If we say that ANC politicians just like to sing and its part of their political culture, could it be expected that Living la Vida Loca would be next on the playlist? No. This is a statement, this is an encitement to violence. This is not in the spirit of what I thought we were working towards. Malema's biggest problem is that he does not know or care about the damage he causes, either purposefully or in his immense ignorance. The solutions he gives to the problems that everyone can see are simple to understand, but entirely unsustainable and inapplicable. But its the most welcome option to the layman on the street.

  • nxuba - 2010-03-11 12:41

    Mr.Mthembu, is the song appropriate? The ANC is the ruling party and should lead by an example.

  • alex - 2010-03-11 12:41

    Was he drunk when he said this? Sounds pretty incoherant to me - same person who was arrested for drunken driving; says a lot!

  • Paul - 2010-03-11 12:42

    bla bla bla same old excuses... I knew the ANC does not have the guts or the will to change there obviously racist and hateful makeup. Quoted out of context my arse.
    And by the way, the "oppressors" (his words) did not sit and stand around singing songs, they were too busy building infrastructure and trying to make ends meet.
    What rubbish!

  • What a joke! - 2010-03-11 12:42

    He comes out and defends Julius and then gets arrested soon after for drunk driving which means he was obviously drinking when he made this statement. The perils of a third world country, should we even take any of these people seriously?

  • Dixen Cox - 2010-03-11 12:42

    Why is everyone in the ANC so afraid of Juju? This clearly shows that he DOES in fact wield power, if the ANC are to scared to discipline him for such a public display of racial hate. In a time when reconcilliation is key, we expect better from our public figures, and acts like these by Julius and the ANC's inability to reign him in or slap him on the wrist is the reason why our Prez Zoom Zoom was nailed in the British papers...the ANC allows themselves to be turned into a bunch of clowns...

  • Wizzard of Oz - 2010-03-11 12:42

    Was Jackson sober when he uttered this rubish?

  • DaveH - 2010-03-11 12:42

    Yes.. I believe this.. along with all the other nonsense excuses the ANC comes up with to defend their stupidity - and this coming from Jackson Mthembu who was only minutes ago arrested for drunken driving

  • G - 2010-03-11 12:42

    DISGUSTING !! That's my vote going to the DA

  • Johnathan - 2010-03-11 12:42

    This is outrageous! How can you defend any song that urges people to kill other people, especially in SA's context?! I don't care whether the song said "Kill the florists!" - the mere fact that it exhorts people to violence is enough! ANC, your moral compass is broken indeed!
    How can anyone defend this and call themselves good human beings?

  • Peter - 2010-03-11 12:42

    "Contextualise" it? It is really a no-brainer. Surely Malema and the ANC's Mthembu should know it would potentially advocate hate

  • Jessica - 2010-03-11 12:43

    No problem ANC, lets stand for this hate songs in a democratic SA.... Gues what, now we can do just what we want and say/sing what we want... thanx ANC for giving me the right to sing "shoot the blacks/Indiers/coloureds..." I'm sure you won't mind this then? Bull - you will mind. We back to the apartheid days then if the ANC accepts this rubbish. I will then change my view about SA, this is not the country I would want my kids to grow up in, since apartheid is still here and we allow the youth president, and maybe our future president singing songs like this.

  • Roger - 2010-03-11 12:43

    And all this comming from a person who was caught alledgedly driving under the influence morning, I think he must still be drunk. Great leaders we have.

  • GJD - 2010-03-11 12:43

    mmm.. sure

  • Ambro - 2010-03-11 12:43

    Who else feels that a civil war is just a question of time?

  • Hitler is back - 2010-03-11 12:43

    The Nazi's use to employ exactly the same strategies while conducting their genocidal hate campaign against the jews. The ANC is slipping towards facism.

    Events like this are a chilling comparison to the evils of that society.

  • h - 2010-03-11 12:43

    De La Rey is not about the blacks!!!
    It is about the Anglo Boer war in which White as well as black South Africans were fighting for this country. "Shoot the whites" "Kill the boers" are blatant and direct attacks on white people. Wake up!!!!!! racists

  • JC - 2010-03-11 12:43

    This would be the same Mr. Jackson who got caught driving drunk last night? LOL! You can't "contextualize" these lyrics! They are hate speech, plain and simple, and mini-enema should not be singing them, because they are definitely inappropriate.

  • Lotus - 2010-03-11 12:43

    Mr Mthembu, this is calssified as hate speech. does not matter where the song came from, Julius understood the words of the song and it is the same arrogance that he used when he said 'we will kill for Zuma'. This is ridiculous in light of the violence against white farmers (some elderly) currently taking place. Julius does want to incite violence and spews divisive racist opinions every time he speaks. And I am not white - lets see the peanut gallery call me racist!

  • sello - 2010-03-11 12:43

    i think the anc is noe defending things that do not need to be defended. malema needs to be reprimanded fininsh and klaar.this is harming the movement. his rudeness is way above ones imagination.

  • FYI - 2010-03-11 12:43

    Surprise surprise. You idiot! Where does "De la Rey" incite ANY violence against ANY racial group? Please I'm begging you to show the lyric. What songs were sung by forces of oppression that are still sung today??? Again, please give me an example. Let's make up a song, kill the squatters kill the blacks, and we'll see if you feel the same way?

  • leera - 2010-03-11 12:43

    Apartheid is over. We are trying to rectify the problems of the past by creating racial unity and a rainbow nation. How on earth can sing 'kill the boer' so many years after apartheid reach that goal? Nelson Mandela's government centred around reconciliation, as time goes by, the ANC seems to want revenge.

  • julia - 2010-03-11 12:43

    WHAT A TYPICAL NAIEVE RESPONSE FROM THE ANC

    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SWITHCH THE LIGHT ON FOR THESE PEOPLE IM BLACK AND EMBARRASED AT THE REPONSES THEY ARE COMING UP WITH EEESH
    WE ARE LOOKING LIKE FOOLS IN FRONT OF THE VISITORS THAT MIGHT COME TO THE WORLD CUP

  • Still in detention, I presume - 2010-03-11 12:44

    Seems to me you are still intoxicated and not sober as yet. Probably made these comments while still pissed in jail.

  • MARS - 2010-03-11 12:44

    AG COME ON!!

    I'll be in jail or shot before you know it if I should sing: Kill the K@#$#r, Kill the thief(or rapist, tsotsi, skelm or what ever you can think)

    It is not acceptable!!! You can't dare do it, same for the ANC! What make you better than us?

    ANC is the most racist of all!!!
    How can they defend this?

    People could be killed because of something like this!

  • Just Landed - 2010-03-11 12:44

    Is this coincidence? Earlier on i read about an official of the party being court on drunken driving. Then there is this person with a similar name defending Julius. Dear report, did the person you quoting give the interview before or after drinking?

  • IDIOT JACKSON - 2010-03-11 12:44

    Get to the facts. Using history to justify you wrongdoings are idiotic. You are as guilty as you comrade.