ANC, gallery held 'consultations'

2012-05-29 09:07

Johannesburg - ANC and Goodman Gallery officials had "consultations" on the eve of a march to protest against a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed, a spokesperson said on Tuesday.

"We are not in a position to deal with details now," African National Congress spokesperson Jackson Mthembu told SABC radio news.

"All we are prepared to say is, yes, indeed there have been consultations between the ANC and the Goodman Gallery last night and we are quite happy with the outcome of those consultations."

A strong police presence was expected outside the gallery in Tuesday. The march was organised to "advance the need for unity as a nation and to register a need for common and acceptable values", Mthembu said earlier.

"At the end of the march, the alliance will make important announcements following extensive interaction with all parties involved," he said.

The protest is against The Spear, a painting by Brett Murray, which was defaced last Tuesday. It was part of Murray's Hail to the Thief II exhibition on show at the gallery.

The march was expected to start from Zoo Lake park at 10:00 and proceed down Jan Smuts Avenue.

About 15 000 protesters were expected, Johannesburg metro police spokesperson Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar said.

  • Marion - 2012-05-29 09:10

    I certainly hope that I have no need to call for police assistance today.

      Marion - 2012-05-29 09:16

      I guess another word for 'Consultations' is intimidation.

      Piet - 2012-05-29 09:19

      Zuma and the ANC are a bunch of children! GROW UP! Bunch of complaining, racist pigs!

      Tuco - 2012-05-29 09:23

      With an army of thugs waiting to bum rush the gallary what choice do they have? really.

      Sizah - 2012-05-29 09:30

      i cant imagine how zuma's children feel after that watching that potrait, your old man's genitals exposed like that, mmmh especialy in school u know kids can be mean, his kids must be very embarassed. what was going thru brett murray's mind?? freedom of expression? i think not, how would he feel if that was his own father????

      Piet - 2012-05-29 09:36

      @ nhamo.dzenyika - Wait till we start intimidating... And what intelegence is that nogal? Bush mentality?

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-29 09:43

      Piet - Zille was protesting and you didnt call her racist.

      Marion - 2012-05-29 09:48

      @nhamo - 'subtle intimidation' is not what I would call this. 'All some of you guys understand' (I presume you meant whites). I think we understand a lot more than you give us credit for. Not everyone, myself included, approved of that painting. But as much as I think the painting was totally unacceptable I believe that this 'subtle intimidation' is totally unacceptable. Just like the 'subtle intimidation' of the DA march to COSATU was totally unacceptable.

      Heinz - 2012-05-29 10:14

      Hey Sizah, was that a actual photo of his genitals? Huh? Tell me? Did they take a photo of his genitals and pasted it on the painting? NO! It's a piece of art! Grow a brain and grow up!

      Heinz - 2012-05-29 10:23

      @ Sizah, what do you have to say about this?:

      Jacqui - 2012-05-29 13:33

      Sizah, his kids aren't in school and if they were they were in expensive private schools. Besides his children are about the only people who haven't seen his genitals yet.

  • Susan - 2012-05-29 09:13

    I smell a rat. Either the gallery has been bribed or forced into submission using scare tactics.

      michelle.blackie - 2012-05-29 09:19

      And that rat does smell ..... freedom of expression has taken another blow to the head

  • MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-05-29 09:19

    Enough Already of the ANC Goodman Gallery Battle!!!!!!!

      Marion - 2012-05-29 09:55

      @Poloyatonki - go play on the Gautrain railway line.

      Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-29 09:58

      Right , there you have it. Brake and burn anything that isn't ANC's way. Grate that is just grate.

  • Koos - 2012-05-29 09:20

    The ANC does not consult. They threaten, force and dictate. Who do they think they are kidding?

      Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-29 09:54

      A cANCer may be!!!!

  • Patrick - 2012-05-29 09:22

    Pity the ANC doesn't attend to real issues with this vigour. Hope their followers awaiting service delivery and text books are not fooled by this nonsense!

  • James - 2012-05-29 09:24

    My God, if protesting was a job in South Africa we wouldn't have any unemployment problems.

  • Loo - 2012-05-29 09:25

    WHAT a load of BS !!!!!!

  • Loo - 2012-05-29 09:30

    I wish the government was so determined and "organized" to fight crime :(

      Koos - 2012-05-29 09:34

      Criminals can't fight themselves. It's unconstitutional.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-05-29 09:38

      @Loo, they only determined and organized when one of the top brass are in trouble or being insulted. The anc top brass will never care about the country and the poor. Only there fat stomachs and the money going into there back pockets.

  • Danielle - 2012-05-29 09:38

    I think this has been taken way to far, its just a painting! so must brett murray forfeit his right to freedom of expression? The painting is showing Jacob Zuma for who he is- a womanizer, a rapist. He built this image of himself now he must suffer the consequences. I for one think the painting is brilliant it has so much to say about who our president is. Respect is earned not demanded.

      Marion - 2012-05-29 09:58

      @Danielle - I for one think the painting is amateurish and totally vulgar and disrespectful. Was overjoyed when it was destroyed. However the ANC protest action (I think it is intimidation) is totally unacceptable in my opinion.

      Danielle - 2012-05-29 11:07

      each to their own Marion :) like I said i like it because without using words it describes exactly who our president is. He did this to himself I am sorry to say, the painting is very fitting as to what kind of man he is. Obviously it is not a painting I would purchase, but it is one that speaks the truth.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-29 09:39

    The ugly head of the dictatorship in the making is rearing his head. Until the last couple of years the cANCer at least tried to cover it with the guise of a "democracy". mark my words, if these thieves ever lose an election it will be another ZIM / Kenya / scenario again, with bloodshed all over. These corrupt morons are intent on controlling and ruling the land no matter what means they have to use.

  • Ian - 2012-05-29 09:41

    Let's see the numbers today. It is truly sad that we can't export our well trained expert protestors. Oh and 'consultants' being intimidating is hardly something to worry about. I doubt whether the Goodman Gallery has to be BEE. After all its a gallery where people with good taste buy. They hardly sell. That's all.

      Lana En Bertus Pienaar - 2012-05-29 09:44

      one of the announcements - Mandela passed away

      Marion - 2012-05-29 09:59

      @Lana - that is not even remotely amusing.

  • F474L3RR0R - 2012-05-29 09:44

    Zuma, as with any leader, must earn respect. He does not just deserve it. Title does not dictate honour. If this is the image he inspires, then maybe he should look at healing the festering wound instead of trying to hide it with bandages... If we disagree with the march are we also allowed to hamper proceedings and turn violent against the protesters? Not that I would. I have more interesting things to do like study, read a book or watch paint dry... All of which will benefit this country far more than a pointless bandwagon of a march!

  • dianne.b.hartley - 2012-05-29 09:46

    The masses would do anything for a free KFC meal, a cap and t shirt.

      Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-29 09:52

      More like a job creation method. They must be on there books.

      dianne.b.hartley - 2012-05-29 10:27

      @Gert, thanx I forgot about the lunch bar.

  • Bob - 2012-05-29 09:47

    Don't the ANC have a country to run??? They spend more time on inconsequential drivel, than the important things, like running the country, or trying to run the country should I rather say!

      Ian - 2012-05-29 10:37

      Well Zuma has a couple of countries - drop the o - to run. Apparently

  • chiepner - 2012-05-29 09:51

    Im sorry but again - I can not be helped but get reminded by that strange little gem of a book I read while in school called "Animal Farm". It strikes me that some elite has grown with such contept and arrogance towards other peoples believes, freedoms and cultures that they truly think that there should only be one set of rules that apply to them and another set to others? Where was all this "acceptable values" when Zuma and his cronies openly attacked Mbeki. Where was this "acceptable values" when our now pres slept with a much younger woman and then gave her taxi money the next morning? Where was these values when Malema openly insulted said woman. It seems the ANC has again climed onto their high horse claiming to be the beacon of hope in South Africa - yet filling their own pockets whhich is a direct cause of rising food and comidity prices and implimenting dodgy "taxation systems" and in so extorting more money from the poor is suppose to be deemed "acceptable values". Its time that people in this country stop act like sheep - our leaders is taking us all for fools while they live in luxury and conveniently blame "apartheid" and other "third party forces" as the reason for their lack to impliment and do the things they are suppose to do FOR THE PEOPLE. The PIGS are running the show and we all are seen as little helpless money making sheep.

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-05-29 09:52

    ANC is worse than a bunch of two year olds. Get over it now and attend to far more important things!!!!! Like running a country. Oh wait no they cant even do that. Well I'm happy that the world is laughing at them because they have really made a big deal out of nothing. But thats the ANC, out to prove a pathetic point.

  • Steve - 2012-05-29 09:53

    The Gallery must be demolished, and replaced by the statue of Jacob Zuma...

      Polotic - 2012-05-29 10:01

      @Steve - A good idea so that we can constantly be reminded of the deceit, corruption and ineptitude of the ANC on the one hand and Zuma's own behaviour as an example to the citizens of this country as not how to conduct themselves. I hope that those who are marching will reflect on what Murray's exhibition was meant to represent - the decay of the ANC.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-29 09:56

    "You understand we are here to assist? To consult with you, so we can arrive at a mutually acceptable solution?" "Yes..." " It is such a mixed up world. Everywhere one reads of bombs and fires and violence and stuff..." "Yes..." "We only want the best for our beautiful country. For our children..." "Yes..." "Like for your pretty little granddaughter sitting in the third row from front, second from left in class..." "Yes..." "Does she still walk home from the bus stop? Play with that little poodle along the way?" "Yes..." "Do you think we arrived at a mutually acceptable solution? Would you say our consultation was fruitful? "Yes..."

  • Winifred - 2012-05-29 10:01

    I am not for this painting but his genitals are not the only thing being exposed, maybe they should ask brett murray to explain to zuma and his lackies what the actual painting is supposed to depict. So the ANC have blown this all out of proportion. They have used this, to draw up sympathy and create racism and show intimidation. Zuma, always sits in the background and lets his lackies to the fighting, its funny how hard they can stir up a fight over a stupid painting, they should be doing the same about the disgusting state of our education and health and the rest of the things that have just been left to rot. Why, I believe this is zuma's personal problem, and being a president and a leader, should have summoned the artist and the editor of city press to a meeting and discussed this problem like a man in his position you would. Now, he has incited racism, using intimidation and at the same time using this as a sympathy rally for his 2nd election. Let the people realize, he does'nt really care about the picture only he is desperate for his 2nd term in office. He maybe a jovial person but thats where it stops, he leads from behind and not from the front, this incident has just confirmed it as his lackies are doing the intimidation. So will it turn out to be the norm, burn burn, trash trash trash event. One last thing only 15 thousand supporters expected, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm he must really need this bad. PS. I would'nt pay to see the painting and I would'nt buy it

      Dee - 2012-05-29 11:49

      Winifred - I too respect JZ as a highly skilled tactician. I would never want to play chess against him! And I cannot help but remember a time in my life when politicians preached to their electorate about "protect our culture", "racial difference", "our dignity" - and imposed censorship under the guise of 'morality'. So I'm very sorry for the trauma this event has caused people - but I am ever more sorry and afraid when politicians dictate "our culture" etc.

  • shengeboy - 2012-05-29 10:04

    wait a minute, the spear has been removed & the gallery is closed... what are they doing there??

  • Danielle - 2012-05-29 10:05

    Reading some of these comments just shows me, how absolutely barbaric some of you are- Resort to violence, burn down the gallery! are some of you that uneducated that you think those actions will resolve the issue at hand? You respect our so called president Jacob Zuma, well that is your choice, but many of us do not and that is our choice! he is corrupt man, who cares very little for this country and the people who inhabit it. This country will never grow to be something better with such uneducated barbaric decisions the masses make.

  • dvanderwalt - 2012-05-29 10:13

    @nhamo.dzenyika - the big problem in SA is they way people think. As long as you refer to "YOU guys" and "OUR intelligence" we will never be 1 nation. :(

  • lawrence.mzamba - 2012-05-29 10:18

    The sentence about strong police presence has grammer.shouldn't end with \on tueday\, and not \in tuesday\.

  • lawrence.mzamba - 2012-05-29 10:19

    The sentence about strong police presence has grammer.shouldn't end with \on tueday\, and not \in tuesday\.

  • Blackpoison - 2012-05-29 10:21

    This whole thing is now really getting out of hand and a pain in the as at best. There are way other far more important things to protest about than a freakin painting. Get over your self and move on all ready.

  • Heinz - 2012-05-29 10:22 Where were they protesting about this???

  • JanHNortje - 2012-05-29 10:23

    Give it a break ANC. There are so many good causes to march for. I am surprised these protester probably don't have jobs why don't they march for more job creation.

  • Robyn - 2012-05-29 10:39

    What bothers me most about this whole ordeal is that the ANC is going to protest something that is no longer on display, that was vandalised and thusly removed from the gallery. You're marching for the need of unity across our nation, yet these supporters cannot fathom or respect the indivdual right to freedom of expression, freedom to support individual ideals or freedom of choice??? Makes perfect sense to me.

  • thulanit3 - 2012-05-29 11:02

    This is more than they bargained for,,,they initialy thought they can get away with murder,,,they will simple brush it off,,,no way!

  • Frank - 2012-05-29 11:31

    " protest against a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed." NO no the painting does NOT depict his genitals exposed. They are not his he never posed for this.

  • philschalkwyk - 2012-05-29 12:27

    Important announcements for whom?

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-29 13:31

    The ANC is filled with obesity and mind menopause. We see that every day and in all their actions.

  • Pieriewaaier - 2012-05-29 13:38

    I WONDER AS TO THE REASONS FOR REMOVING MY COMMENT, MR EDITOR? In my comment I said that (i) the press release by the ANC that they had consulted with the gallery was no news because it did not say anything about the content and outcome of the so-called consultations; (ii) secondly, I asked why the ANC was commenting on behalf of the gallery and why the gallery did not deem it necessary to issue a press release itself setting out their points of view? This seemed strange to me given the fact that many thousands of people and commentors on this page, defended fearlessly and with gusto the right of both City Press and the gallery to exhibit and report on the exhibition and specifically the Spear. Why, I asked, succumb to the brutal intimidation and cheap politicking of the ANC? We must never allow ourselves to be intimidated by thugs and crouge in fear; they are bound to interpet that as a vistory. The mass action by the ANC is just politicking to muster sympathy for their shower-headed president in preparation for the elective circus in Decmber in Mongaung. Why then, play along? Why give them satisfaction? I am of the opinion that we - the ordinary citizens - have been let down by both City Press and the gallery and what a shame! What a shame!I sincerely hope there won't be an apology 'to the nation'! That would be a grave insult!

  • petr.valcik1 - 2012-05-29 14:49

    A few thousand people marching for what is the most important thing to them in South Africa. Zuma's penis... I am so glad that there is nothing more important to worry about than a politician's wellbeing but I hope that the word consultation doesn't mean stoning or burning something down.

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