ANC puzzled by Mdluli fuss

2012-05-21 15:51

Johannesburg - The ANC did not understand what the fuss was about regarding former national crime intelligence head Richard Mdluli, secretary general Gwede Mantashe said on Monday.

"Why should the case of a civil servant who is in trouble in his department become a national matter?" he asked at a news briefing following the party's national executive committee meeting.

"Why should it be elevated to a national question?"

Another suspension notice has reportedly been issued to Mdluli after Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa announced on May 9 that Mdluli would be moved from crime intelligence to a position in the office of the deputy national police commissioner for operations, Fannie Masemola.

Mdluli was first suspended in 2011 when he was arrested on fraud and murder allegations, but that suspension was lifted in March this year. The allegations will instead be tested by the auditor general and at an inquest.

Mantashe wanted to know why the same fuss was not made when National Consumer Commissioner Mamodupi Mohlala-Mulaudzi took the trade and industry department to court after seeing her position advertised in a newspaper, and concluded she was losing her job.

Not a train smash

"Civil servants will run into court from time to time... it is not a train smash," said Mantashe.

"Why should the NEC spend an hour discussing that civil servant?" he said, in response to a media question on the party's stance on Mdluli. "That department can shift a man, that department can expel a's a civil servant."

Meanwhile, it had no objection to NEC member, businessman and Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale asking the public protector to investigate the possible abuse of authority and state resources by Mdluli.

"I can take anybody to the public protector. You are an individual. You are a citizen. It can't be an issue for the NEC," he said.

In a statement on Saturday, Sexwale said his request related to the "so-called ground coverage intelligence report", supposedly linked to Mdluli.

It is said to contain allegations that five Cabinet ministers, three premiers, and other people, were involved in a plot to unseat ANC president Jacob Zuma at the upcoming elective conference of the ANC in Mangaung in December.

In April, Public Protector Thuli Madonsela said she would first wait for the Inspector General of Intelligence Faith Radebe to conclude her own probe into Mdluli's alleged abuse of R5m from an intelligence secret fund, before deciding on a request for a probe by the Democratic Alliance and the FW de Klerk Foundation.

  • ettienne.hattingh - 2012-05-21 15:59

    Same question can be asked about the "spear". Nevermind that Mdluli has worse aligations the Chele and Selebi and they were suspended. Why does he still have a position in the police? I know, he has China's in high places that will go down with him like a ton of bricks if anything comes out.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-21 16:07

      You took the word right out of my mouth!

      Bryan - 2012-05-21 16:29

      What's with the attitude Mr Mantashe? I reckon you ANC fatcats are deliberately trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation because he more than likely has all of you over a barrel with a tub of Vaseline at the ready.... How the cards are beginning to tumble..!!!

      Press - 2012-05-21 16:39

      Maybe Mdluli should also be painted with his service pistol showing so that the even the ANC can get the picture . . . . . . of the magnitude of repulsion joe public feels for the corruption and cronyism that is destroying whatever is left of clean governance . . .

      Squeegee - 2012-05-21 16:41

      What extreme arrogance!

      Dries - 2012-05-21 19:21

      Mantashe, Mdluli is not your 'behind the desk' ordinary garden variety of civil servant. He has been and still poses a real threat to SA. By the way , he is neither civil nor a servant (pehaps he is to his ANC Masters).

      Ronald - 2012-05-21 23:50

      By voicing this question Mantashe has just proven how thick he is, or the level he would stoop to to downplay the situation where a person with Mdluli's questionable ethics and actions is in control of a government body that can and does control access to information and the way it is gathered. At this rate Mantashe will also qualify to have his painting done before the year is out.

      Buzz - 2012-05-22 09:33

      ANC puzzled in general... Mdluli is just an "after puzzlement"

  • Gerhard - 2012-05-21 16:09

    It has become a national matter because the ANC has got so many just like Mdluli. We are tired of the murderous corruption. We want accountable government. The Zuma government so far has not delivered, it only made things worse.

      Grant - 2012-05-21 17:18

      Comrade, you are an idiot! The government has delivered to a SMALLER proportion of the country than the Apartheid government did! "The Majority" are sitting unemployed, whilst Zuma and friends have caviar and Chivas food-fights... Wake up doofus!

  • Koos - 2012-05-21 16:09

    ANC puzzled why a fellow criminal is shown up.... no surprise there? ANC better head over to M&G to age restrict Zapiro’s version of Zuma’s spear ... err.... I mean “shower”...

  • gjacobsz - 2012-05-21 16:09

    I do not think that is the only thing he is puzzled about...

  • franco.beukman - 2012-05-21 16:10

    It becomes a national matter when the ppl of south africa says so. Where there is smoke there is a fire .the ANC must realize that u cnt just move trouble from one department to another. Deal with it one time .

      Alf - 2012-05-21 20:37

      Franco, I agree with you, but that would mean that they ave to take a decision and since 1994 they have been avoiding that like the plague and the trend continues SPEARheaded by Zuma!

  • - 2012-05-21 16:18

    Yet they are at the forefront of a fuss about a penis!!!!!

      Squeegee - 2012-05-21 16:43

      That they understand.

      Ronald - 2012-05-21 23:53

      Shows you that the presidents member counts for more than the people that put him into power.

      Michael - 2012-05-22 07:51

      Is the fuss about Spearheads penis not all about diverting attention away from Mdluli???

  • BlousteBlou - 2012-05-21 16:21

    The difference: this one is in line for THE senior police job - same as his predecessors - we cannot take any more

  • Richard - 2012-05-21 16:21

    HE is not a mere civil servant. He holds a high position and a position that affects the National safety and crime prevention which is already a mess. How can this be brushed off as a mere small issue that does not deserve National attention. That is the problem in this country. The Government creates their own priorities. It should be a National matter if for no other reason that the fact that there was a National outcry and let us not forget that the ones now stating it is not their concern on a National level also are mere civil servants and have been instructed by the Nation to answer so why should they not do what they are told to do. Wonder which politician in the first world would have gotten away with this statement or with the alleged conduct.

  • Tsietsi - 2012-05-21 16:22

    I'm so suprised and demoralized that the whole NEC of the ruling party does not see the seriousness of the Mdluli saga. The man had access to a secrete fund amounting to millions of rands. That money belongs to us, the tax payers. He had charges of murder against him that were withdrawn dubiously. So Mr Mantashe, et al, are you that stupid or your focus is also on Mangaung already. You are making us feel guilty and ashamed for having voted for this party.

  • Lazarus - 2012-05-21 16:22

    That man was a head of national intelligence.It is not elevated,unlike the painting issue.

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-21 16:23

    No not a train smash. It's just murder, corruption, nepotism and fraud. All minor offenses in the eyes of the Anc.

  • Christopher - 2012-05-21 16:23

    Because he is a public servant!

  • Mzamo - 2012-05-21 16:25

    Hello Mr Mantashe......., we not talking about a Clerk at Home Affairs Dept. or a ny civil servant in Dept. of Agriculture! He is the HEAD of our country's INTELLIGENCE!!!!

      mholthuysen - 2012-05-21 18:44

      Could not have said it better Mzamo!!!

  • Nigel - 2012-05-21 16:26

    What a typical comment from the ANC. Is it normal to have criminals in top positions in a police force? In SA the answer is sadly yes, hence the ANC cannot understand our outrage. How sick, and how it so clearly shows the low moral standing of our 'leaders'.

  • Tony - 2012-05-21 16:27

    That position is not occupied by "just another civil servant". If that is what they see the Head of Intelligence as being, then it explains why crime is rampant in SA.

  • The-third - 2012-05-21 16:29

    of course you are. I assume anything that's got do with proper decorum, rule of law, sound reputation and principle would.

  • Erna - 2012-05-21 16:36

    Hello! But you find it necessary to go to court about a stupid painting!

  • Rob - 2012-05-21 16:37

    What...? It is obviously of great significance to quite a few people. Either Mantashe is significantly defecient in the intelligence area or he thinks that we are! Or are we just getting the same old same old?

  • djmain1 - 2012-05-21 16:38

    Yes we know - you're too busy dealing with Showerhead's "hurt feelings".

  • Nicholas - 2012-05-21 16:39

    I suppose when you belong to an organization that has become synonymous with corruption, nepotism, fraud, backhands, theft, etc etc etc you would wonder what all the fuss is about.

      Nigel - 2012-05-21 16:48


  • Jason - 2012-05-21 16:49

    LMAO do they really believe what they say...

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-05-21 16:52

    It is a vital issue. The people of south Africa need reassurance that the heads of security and police are clean, incorruptible, trustworthy individuals who don't have dubious dealings, murders, secret slush funds, nepotism etc as parts of their portfolios. It has everything to do with us.

  • Njabulo - 2012-05-21 16:57

    Well this is what you call talking without thinking. I believe if someone is wasting our tax money then it becomes a national matter. Unless he was wasting/abusing only da ANC's tax money

  • PeteWalshZAR - 2012-05-21 16:58

    It seems like the ANC is puzzled about a lot lately.

  • Sonja - 2012-05-21 16:58 pig confused about another. its what we expect!

  • Andrew - 2012-05-21 16:59

    Now I understand why Mantashe is the fool that he is. There are sinister undercurrents behind Mdluli and the whole country is aware except those that want him there for their own agendas.

  • Peter - 2012-05-21 17:00

    I find Mantashe's comments disturbing mainly because of allegations relating to assumed usage of state resources being used to fight politcal battles to determine the political outcome of the next president. More disturbing is when even some leaders within the ANC saw it feed to challenge such allegations. I see the fuss and hope the mess will be sorted before then.

  • lesley.tucker.7 - 2012-05-21 17:01

    Seriously, Gwede? You have to ask? Let's explain it then: we, the South African public deserve the service of an SAPS staffed by reliable, honest men and women, people dedicated to the service of protecting the public and not suspected of corruption, maladministration and alleged murder.

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  • Daan - 2012-05-21 17:07

    The ANC does not understand much about anything else either.

  • frans.visserdsb - 2012-05-21 17:07

    ah, you see... the priorities are becoming clear. The potential appointment of yet another thug in high position in the Police force is a small matter, as he is just a civil servant with a job. It is not anywhere close to being as important an issue as the exposure suffered by our poor dear prez when his privates were made less so. Please get your priorities straight ANC. It is a matter of national concern when a skebenga has any job in government, much less in the police. it is much less of a priority when the prez has his willy exposed.

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-21 17:09

    the reason dear mr Mantashe is that due to (wait for it....) -POLITICAL interference the first process of suspention had to be withdrawn and Mdluli was reinstated. -Have you heard about the prosecutor that was BULLIED into dropping the case to such an extend that she wanted to carry on with it in a personal capacity and she was I believe shot at under suspicious circumstances? -Have you heard that Genl Mkwanazi said in Parliament that the matter was not in his hands anymore (or were you asleep at that stage or maybe just on AWOL?) -Have you also taken any notice of the fact that the Public Protector did not want to investigate Mdluli and now she has been asked by Sexwale to do that? -Did you notice that somewhere along this line Mdluli wrote a letter alleging that various highranking Police officials are conspiring against him. -Have you heard that Mdluli said he could HELP Prez Zuma in Mangaung? -And just to stop because I'm getting tired have you heard that somehow Genl Mkwanazi has now signed a new suspention but "he doesn't know if it has been served". If you haven't heard any of the above I promise you its all in the news. If you have what BS are you talking?

  • Johannes - 2012-05-21 17:11

    Can you imagine the protection of information bill was running that would have been hidden from us. Only way is to sit on the cANCer like a rash so they can't slip away.

  • mike.clery - 2012-05-21 19:07

    Not even Mr Mantashe believes what he said here. This isn't damage control - it just makes the ANC leadership look stupid.

  • Ro - 2012-05-21 19:36

    Mantasha are you _ucked in the head??? He is head of crime intelligence you _wat. By your same warped logic the picture of _Uma and his _enis shouldnt elicit a response. You are such a hypocrite. Cant wait for this country to be totally _ucked by you and your ilke so we can start again.

  • Gerhard - 2012-05-21 19:37

    Why are they always puzzled afterwards?

  • George - 2012-05-21 19:46

    Severe antidemocratic tendencies with high dose of arrogance. Typical cANCer mentality.

  • braamc - 2012-05-21 20:52

    The big deal is all the filth hosted by the cANCer

  • gideon.rossouw - 2012-05-21 21:31

    For crying in a bucket - I am so tired of Mantashe - if you don't get why it is important, you should not be in a leadership position, and if you are just playing stupid games and silly buggers with the public, you are just an annoying apparatchik unable to lead to 'liberation movement' into its future as a political party in an open democratic society!!

      hendrik.baird - 2012-05-21 21:40

      Plot. Lost. Map. Required.

  • Jonathan - 2012-05-21 21:42

    Mantashe is an arrogant a@#hole. Richard Mduli is not your run-of-the-mill civil servant. He has been appointed by the ANC (he did not come from the ranks of the SAP)as a stooge and puppet to serve their interests. His crimes are not a problem to the ANC only that he was caught.

  • Rob - 2012-05-21 22:04

    It does n`t take much to puzzle this lot does it?

  • lucky.tshilimandila - 2012-05-22 05:44

    I give on this guy's arrogance, Mdluli is head of crime intelligennce that's why it is a national issue, his heading a state security entity, ja hey

  • Gavin - 2012-05-22 22:00

    This is trivial, according to them???? and they are in an uproar over a painting??? this is where they show how to move the focus from a National problem. It happens all the time...

  • silvester.kustar - 2012-06-05 11:26

    Mr Mdluli is a civil servant so the public has the right know about those who are in leadership in the public sector.

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