ANC wants teachers axed

2011-03-15 13:27

Johannesburg - Teachers who left the classroom to support an SA Democratic Teachers' Union leader at a court appearance in Gauteng must be fired, the provincial ANC said on Tuesday.

"The department must fire them," said ANC Gauteng secretary David Makhura.

He expressed concern about the teachers in Soweto who protested outside court on Monday in support of Sadtu's Gauteng chairperson, Moss Senye.

Senye, who hit headlines last week when he called Education MEC Barbara Creecy a Satanist, is facing charges of assaulting a pupil.

Makhura said the ANC was worried about the state of education in Soweto - and believed it was caused by some teachers from the trade unions.

"Some rogue and disruptive elements within the teachers' unions are central to the disruption and destruction of the education system in Soweto.

"At the centre of the problem... is a decline in discipline particularly among the teachers." Pregnancy rates and disruptions at Soweto schools had increased, Makhura said.

Some teachers went on wildcat strikes, beat up pupils and threatened parents.

The party would meet its ally Cosatu and the Sadtu provincial leadership to discuss the matter.

An education summit in Soweto would also take place.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-03-15 13:32


      matla - 2011-03-15 14:20

      fire them bastardoes

      Hardtail - 2011-03-15 16:23

      Can anyone doubt that this is anything but a ploy for the upcoming elections? Bwahahahaa...all you fools that fall for the t-shirt & sandwich game...

      Sheda Hab - 2011-03-15 18:29

      Hope you mean the ANC. The only reason teachers AND students are out of control is because the ANC is so busy stealing taxpayers money that it does not excersise discipline with its teachers, does not maintain schools (because there is no money "we stole it") so with lax teachers the students go balistic. Now the whole thing is backfiring - it is worse than APARTHEID by far and everyone including the ANC & me are giving our pennies worth.

  • Melly30 - 2011-03-15 13:36


      Melly30 - 2011-03-15 13:41

      O while you are at it - please fire all ANC members... Then we would live in a perfect place with out the ANC and all their Comrades... AMEN.

  • The Observer - 2011-03-15 13:37

    Well done ANC. I called for this yesterday already. What the hell are they doing outside court toy-toying, they should be at work. Fire them immidiately.

      The Observer - 2011-03-15 13:37


      CheekySod - 2011-03-15 13:41

      Don't just talk, ANC, do!

      fracham - 2011-03-15 13:56

      Ja Fire them immediately . Use petrol if needs be.

      DeonL - 2011-03-15 14:09

      They just need to take the right steps, disciplinary hearing at 16h00, they won't be there, then fire them!

  • 7Wonders - 2011-03-15 13:39

    One can almost bet that the Provincial ANC is just posturing for the May municipal elections. The sad part of all these is that the township people stand to lose the most, with pupils's futures being most at stake. When are they, SADTU and COSATU, going to stand up and make it a condition of membership to be a disciplined member? This Moss Senye chap assaults a pupil, whom he is supposed to nurture to a better human beings, and when he has to face his music in court he incites other teachers into acts of lunacy. He labels the education MEC a satanist just to take attention away from his own ill-discipline. Fire the lot!!

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-15 13:39

    I predicted this...The ANC are really trying to look as though they actually 'give a toss'. Sheik=arrested, Ngobeni=suspended, Municipalities=given final warnings, TEACHERS WHO DON'T TEACH=must be fired. The facts are: The ANC don't give a toss, if they did, the teachers who have been doing NOTHING for years would have been tossed long long long ago. ELECTION TIME IS A FINE TIME....I suggest that if ANY OF YOU CITIZENS have ANY serious issues you need sorted out by the government, you do it before close of voting on 18th May. (After that - it's back to normal, which equals - chaos & ineffective governance)

      schmerz - 2011-03-15 14:33

      "I'll just rape my way into power"

  • paulf - 2011-03-15 13:41

    Trying to get more Votes!!! They never used to do this. remember when Zuma was in court how they hang outside the court singing and chanting??? I think there are a lot more instances too. This is just to say they are doing their job and want more VOTES....

  • Barry - 2011-03-15 13:42

    This is why our children are suffering even after passing their grade 12. They illiterate . and it's the teachers fault. Fire them

  • Barry - 2011-03-15 13:43

    This is why our children are suffering even after passing their grade 12. They are illiterate , and it's the teachers fault. Fire them

  • modefan - 2011-03-15 13:47

    What happend to 'pupils first'...

  • warr - 2011-03-15 13:51

    So Typical. If it was an ANC Teachers' Union it would have been acceptable for teachers to leave the class rooms. I don’t condone it, but this is not about teachers leaving their posts, it's about politics, again.

      clifford.pike1 - 2011-03-15 14:36

      Very true. When an ANC cadre gets caught either napping or with his / her hand in the cookie jar, the prospect of firing that individual from his / her post is unthinkable. The ANC prefers to "redeploy" their worst performing cadres to different ministries / provinces / departments, so they can wreak havoc there, too. There is a culture of extreme resistance to being fired in this country. I have been taken to the CCMA a dozen times, by employees who were caught stealing red-handed or just really unable to perform their duties, either intentionally or unintentionally. I have never lost a case, because I always follow the rules regarding hiring and firing to the letter of the law. However, people cannot accept responsibility for their own actions and will always try to worm their way out of a situation - whether they are at fault or not. The government continually refuses to take decisive action against their own men and women who fail to perform their jobs honestly and competently. Now, because SADTU members have (stupidly) rallied around Moss Senye, the ANC wants the teachers fired. I happen to agree that the teachers should be held responsible, but where's the consitency? There are two sets of rules in South Africa: the rules we rabble have to follow and the rules for the ruling elite.

  • Denise - 2011-03-15 13:53

    And they call them teachers? Teaching the children what exactly? How to become a problem to the nation or passing on bad antisocial behaviour to the youth. What you sow shall you reap. Thanks again Aunty Winnie. With your matches and your necklaces.......My but you did a fine job.

      The Observer - 2011-03-15 13:59

      You are so correct.

  • alousav - 2011-03-15 13:54

    For ONCE I agree with the ANC.

      Point Blank - 2011-03-15 14:03

      Strangely all this just before elections right?

  • Cire - 2011-03-15 14:01

    Gee, if the ANC starts making - and actually sticks to - sensible decisions like this there may be hope for education - and SA - after all!

      Point Blank - 2011-03-15 14:03

      They only make sensible decisions right before elections....

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-15 14:12

      Don't be sucked into their BS mate. This is CAMPAIGNING.......

  • ChiefN - 2011-03-15 14:07

    Jeezzz.. Aren't we the masters of right and wrong all of a sudden. Can anyone say "ELECTIONS AROUND THE CORNER"?

  • Livhuwani - 2011-03-15 14:08

    100%supporting ANC they dont care because their Fat kids attend model C school,and you must Fire that Principal (Senye) he is a SATAN himself, beating school kids and making tearchers to bounce schools,this union think they above the law

      twolips - 2011-03-15 14:12

      No, their kids attend private schools!

  • Rob Gunning - 2011-03-15 14:09

    Not very often I have the opportunity to agree with the ANC but this time they get my support. We need to get rid of rubbish teachers ASAP.

      Melly30 - 2011-03-15 14:19

      NO we need to get RID OF THE ANC...

      ANC-FTL - 2011-03-15 14:49

      Hell yeah

  • willieman - 2011-03-15 14:15

    SACP,COSATU and ANC disband this stupid alliance.That is why there is a confusion.How can one be a member of three organisation at the same time.Typical example Blade Nzimande the communist now he knows where his bread is buttered.A true communist with a BMW.STOP THE ROT DISBAND THE WHOLE NONSENSE IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.sOME MEMBERS SPY FOR SACP SOME FOR ANC SOME FOR ANC that's why progress is so slow in this country

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-15 14:31

      How can the three entities SPLIT mate? They share a brain cell...Surgery is an option I suppose.

      Picasso - 2011-03-16 14:31

      SAFFA-CAT Yes, surgery is an option, but who will get the brain cell and who will be Malemas?

  • Bouga - 2011-03-15 14:18

    Talk is cheap

  • paulf - 2011-03-15 14:18


  • Badger - 2011-03-15 14:27

    They might fire them for now but they will be re employed in better postions than before by the showermen after the elections. It's a matter of making the right noises before elections.

  • Sputs - 2011-03-15 14:28

    The era of simpletons was embedded at polokwane by the same anc; and we saw it come to full bloom, inter alia, when the then mec for education in gauteng(now the current minister of education) skipped work to attend the jacob zuma trial in bloemfontein. even then she had the cheeck to say she had more important matters (being present at court in bloemfontein)to attend to rather than doing her work for which the taxpayer pays her. that culture of simpletons has taken root in south africa, and permeates every sector of society. it is thus the height of hypocrisy for the anc in gauteng to call for the dismissal of the teachers who were in court and in the process skipped class. my contention and submission is that these teachers are merely mimicking what angie motshekga did to show her support for jacob zuma. the anc creates a "culture", and when it turns around to bite them, they want to cry foul.

      Badger - 2011-03-15 14:48

      Agreed. They are so blinded by their own double standards that they failed to realise that they are not consistent in applying the rules. This is biting them big time. Watch how the cracks are getting wider and wider. I won't be surprised if we end up like Ivory coast after the elections and they realised the DA have won.

  • Andre - 2011-03-15 14:35

    So by creating employment...we must first fire thinking, no wonder the ANC didn't get my wait, there's just no thinking at all.

  • Melly30 - 2011-03-15 14:43

    ANC wants the teachers AXE and we WANT THE ANC AXED!!!

      willieman - 2011-03-15 16:49

      Good, lets make the DA circle bigger,come on my fellow S.Africans

  • simcard1506 - 2011-03-15 14:44

    AWOL ??? ....No work no pay.....common.....ANC is this talk again

  • ocon777 - 2011-03-15 14:49

    get rid of Unions . they are the cause of all this shait. They do not help any1 let alone the people they are trying to serve.

      paulf - 2011-03-15 14:58

      I second that, Unions have never helped anyone. All they do is stuff their pockets with your money and cause havoc. Britain is a good example till Margaret Thatcher changed all.

      Melly30 - 2011-03-15 15:04

      paulf - to true!!!

      pop101 - 2011-03-15 15:09

      Unions are like a bad herdsmen. They are suppose to protect and lead the people (sheep) to the water. They are leading them in the other direction - leaving the people confused. Why oh why can't the people not see what is good for them? I think the Teachers Union should take the blame for this, and I hope some clever attorney rise up and sues the union on the teachers behalf, if they lose their jobs.

  • boepensmanvangraan - 2011-03-15 14:54

    Good move from the ANC, dont you all go and say bad things now, the ideal is a 1st world country, doesnt matter who is the leading party

  • clifford.pike1 - 2011-03-15 15:12

    How odd - the strange absence of commentary from the Tenderbabies...

  • pop101 - 2011-03-15 15:12

    I suspect it's all pre-election talk.

  • tkotze - 2011-03-15 15:17

    For once ANC you allow me to agree with you and even congratulate you. Well done. Teachers must not be allowed to strike in school terms, let them strike in school holidays.

  • morne.naude - 2011-03-15 15:18

    You don't have the balls to fire them! All talk!

  • Tc - 2011-03-15 15:19

    We all know they will not be fired.

  • Janine - 2011-03-15 15:23

    Hang on - I am very confused. I thought that the ANC was all for supporting strikes.

      moiraine - 2011-03-15 17:19

      The ANC is all for strikes. These ones werent on strike, they just left the classroom to go to the court case. This is all just talk anyway.

  • Boerseun - 2011-03-15 15:31

    I agree fire the whole lot.

  • linsam - 2011-03-15 15:31

    The basic laws of the land should still apply - assault a person or threaten them, damage or set fire to someone else's property and you should be held accountable and charges laid. However, it would seem that union members are given special dispensation to break the law with impunity - and some union officials appear to be nothing more than a bunch of criminals who actively condone and support the illegal activities of their members. If teachers go on wildcat strikes they should be fired, and if the union officials support them in their criminal activities then the Department of Labour should shut the union down - or at least remove the officials who believe that they do not have to abide by the law, and replace them administrators who know the law and abide by it.

  • saxor - 2011-03-15 15:45

    Kick the Pigs out this Unions are simply making this country a Anarchy

  • MactheKnife - 2011-03-15 15:57

    You have the opportunity now, fire them and immediately

  • DW - 2011-03-15 16:42

    "At the centre of the problem... is a decline in discipline particularly among the teachers." Pregnancy rates and disruptions at Soweto schools had increased, Makhura said. - Sounds to me like there is also a lack of discipline amongst the students - or are the teachers responsible for the pregnancies as well?

  • moiraine - 2011-03-15 17:15

    Funny they never said anything about the policemen who were demonstrating outside and inside the courtroom when Bees Roux appeared.

  • Krush - 2011-03-15 17:29

    ..the kettle calling the pot black...

  • YasButIDunno - 2011-03-15 18:12

    The real problem is that they are really not teachers at all, just ANC deployees who were not fit (read "just too underqualified") for any other public position.

  • Nkonka - 2011-06-21 15:47

    Teachers are like all other animals. The differance is that they have a responsibility to the nation. If one teacher is in solidarity with another teacher, why not?

  • Yvonne - 2011-06-21 15:55

    Wait - they are going to blame APARTHEID

  • Siphe - 2011-06-21 16:04

    we need to be fair to our whilst same teachers were attending courts for leading plitical leaders that has never been taken into consideration.'why now?

  • feppie - 2011-06-21 17:23

    @ David Makhura: So it was/is OK when thousands of SADTU teachers used to forsake their classrooms regularly in support of ANC-protests!

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