ANCYL: Ramaphosa must apologise for Marikana

2012-10-24 14:25

Johannesburg - ANC national executive committee member and businessman Cyril Ramaphosa must apologise to the families of those killed at Marikana on August 16, the ANC Youth League said on Wednesday.

"Comrade Cyril Ramaphosa must apologise to the families of the injured and the dead for agitating and inciting the South African police against them," the ANC Youth League said in a statement.

On Tuesday, advocate Dali Mpofu, representing the miners injured and arrested after the shooting on August 16, said there was an e-mail in which Ramaphosa strongly condemned the protests, described them as criminal acts and suggested "concomitant action".

Mpofu told the Farlam Commission into the shootings, which is holding hearings at the Rustenburg Civic Centre, that the e-mail was sent 24-hours before 34 miners were killed.

"He advanced that what was taking place were criminal acts and must be characterised as such. In line with this characterisation [Ramaphosa said] there needs to be concomitant action to address the situation," said Mpofu.

Lonmin board member

He said e-mails were exchanged between Ramaphosa, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, Lonmin management and Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu.

Ramaphosa sits on the Lonmin board. The striking miners killed in the shooting were from Lonmin's platinum mine in Marikana.

He is also executive chairperson of Shanduka Resources, which owns half of Incwala Resources, Lonmin's black economic empowerment partner.

Ramaphosa chaired the ANC's national disciplinary committee of appeals which upheld the expulsion from the party of former ANCYL president Julius Malema, and at which Malema was represented by Mpofu.

The Hawks are investigating charges, brought by the trade union Solidarity, that Malema incited violence during the strike at Lonmin's Marikana mine.

‘We expected better from Ramaphosa’

The ANCYL said Ramaphosa had "lost any credibility as a genuine leader of the people, and as a revolutionary committed to the cause of the working class".

"With his e-mail to Police Minister, Comrade Nathi Mthethwa, Comrade Ramaphosa delivered the more than 40 people to their death[s] at Marikana," the ANCYL said.

It said that Ramaphosa's preoccupation with the preservation of his monetary interests in Lonmin led him to call for concomitant action to deal with the criminal acts.

"As a seasoned unionist, the ANC Youth League expected more from Comrade Ramaphosa.

"The criminal acts he spoke of were the legitimate calls of workers demanding a decent wage."

The league said Mthethwa had yet to explain from where the police got their orders.

The ANCYL called for a moratorium on all dismissals of workers and a return to order in the mining industry.

"The call for nationalisation of mines has never been more urgent and we call on ANC leaders with vested interests in the mining industry to subordinate their interests in favour of the collective good of all in South Africa, as demanded by the Freedom Charter."

  • Andrea - 2012-10-24 14:43

    Now, if Cyril was white, this article would have had hundreds of posts from our comrade friends already.

      godfrey.welman - 2012-10-24 15:18

      Now I understand why he is nominated for ANC Deputy Pres....he sure has the ability to "lead".

      jason.heineberg - 2012-10-24 15:38

      Why must he apologize, but not Malema? Malema incited violence by striking miners, convincing them that they had a right to an unfeasable salary. The police didn't wake up and say "lets kill people, because Cyril said so"- they were charged at by angry strikers with weapons. If you know someone has a gun, its generally not a good idea to attack them- even more so if they are law enforcement officers, but I guess this isn't "common knowledge"....

      Cameron - 2012-10-24 15:47

      Is that the best you can come up with semonatenate...shame...

      handy.andy.3990 - 2012-10-24 16:36

      Am I the only one seeing the conflict of interest here? A board member of Lonmin, who owns half of a company that does labour broking for Lonmin? Julius, good luck in nationalizing Cyril's mine! Seems that your anger directed at white people should be aimed at the ANC and cadres. Its again the ANC that is charge of the chaos.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-10-24 17:03

      @Andrea. I see you pull a "lerato" lol.

      andrew.newman.98837 - 2012-10-24 17:03

      @handyandy No your not the only one who sees that. The R12500 the miners were asking was not a thumbsuck, it was what Lonmin was already paying the labour broker Shanduka a company owned by Cyril Ramaphosa, who in turn only paid the miners R4000. With that guaranteed contract Cyril could borrow to finance his BEE partnership with Lonmin.  Great way to run a company, wonder if the shareholders are aware they're being stiffed by the directors. - 2012-10-24 17:57

      a much better use for the word "concomitant" in this context would be: "The reason it should alarm us all is that there is concomitant evidence that such idiocy has taken over our financial sector."

  • gary.desousa.7 - 2012-10-24 14:46

    Unprotected and illegal strike. He is a board member/shareholder and is fully in his right to protect his investment and the company in any legal way and to call on those involved to deal with the strikers.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-10-24 15:06

      If there is an apology to be done then it must to the families of the innocent police and guards that were murdered by the thug element of the striking workers.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-24 15:16

      What a load of Crap, I agree gary Cyril had every right to ask the cops to intervene when some of his employees were being killed and other staff threatened with death including the Management of Lonmin. These thugs were clearly armed and believed they were invincible due to their Sangomo and were therefore capable of taking more lives. The fact that he used some of his contacts to speed up some form of intervention by SAPs indicates to me that as CEO he was trying to get the issue solved before more lives were lost. He did not take no action like Zuma or inflame the situation like Malema. The enquiry will still conclude as to the causes etc when they release details but I believe the press and other are overreacting to these emails.

  • arm.witmens - 2012-10-24 14:48

    Only if you apologise for the birth of malema......

      Andrea - 2012-10-24 15:05

      is it too late for an abortion?

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 09:56

      ........and the birth of the father of all criminals who are happy that the official thugs (police) killed 34 people most of them shot in back.

  • jthobela - 2012-10-24 14:49


      ajloubser - 2012-10-24 14:51

      For ever the minds of young youth who know nothing...

      JuliusYouPrick - 2012-10-24 14:56

      you're a moron.

      aarchaic - 2012-10-24 14:57

      Still dont understand how a person older than 21 can been seen as a youth...

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-10-24 14:58

      Children should be seen and not heard. The ANCYL will be well advised to keep its stupid trap shut until the commission publishes its findings.

      Andrea - 2012-10-24 15:05

      aarchaic, it must relate to the IQ then, and not the age.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-10-24 15:07

      jthobela is just another I want, I want everything for nothing kinda guy.

      alan.jerrold - 2012-10-24 15:11

      The ANCYL has done zero of real value for the youth of SA, lives off ANC's grants (i.e. our taxpayers' money), and has a big mouth on things they know almost nothing about. Time to make them EARN their own money. That would shut up this useless bunch who contribute virtually nothing to the running of SA, and yet leech off millions of social grants (funded by our tax money). Care to disagree, jthobela?

      opinionator - 2012-10-24 15:15

      ppl like jthobela will still support ANCYL presidents who are in their 60's, cause why? they dont have brains.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-24 15:20

      Poverty for ever for those that listen to these children and friends?

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-24 15:35

      The ANCYL are responsible for more violence and death then any other group in this country!! They should all be thrown in jail and the group shouldbe dissolved!!!

      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-24 15:36

      Comrade Cyril for ever!!! I hope he ignores JM comments, total waste of time. Not worth answering to trolls. Keep your head up high and lets wait for the commission of enquiry.

      handy.andy.3990 - 2012-10-24 16:40

      @aarchaic - Entry to the ANCYL is not based on age, its based on behaviour. As long as you act and think like a child, you can get in. (Having a job or education disqualify you immediately)

  • Erna - 2012-10-24 14:50

    Firstly, they're just sore because he is the one who gave Julieboy the bad news, and secondly, they wouldn't know the meaning of the word "concomitant". Don't see that he did any wrong.

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-10-24 14:54

      'they wouldn't know the meaning of the word "concomitant" And how relevant is this BS to the headings?

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 14:50

    Everything from the strike to the killing of policemen and other miners was criminal. Ramaphosa has nothing to apologise for. The ANCYL must apologise to their parents for being such disappointments.

      john.kirkwood.9619 - 2012-10-24 15:13

      dont think they have parents, if they did i am sure they would have been brought up better

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:00

      Quite right everything...........including the stolen land protected by the CONstitution.

  • Jeremy - 2012-10-24 14:52

    Ramaphosa called for "concomitant" action. I still have no idea what that actually means, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't an instruction to the police to go out and shoot the miners with live ammunition. To me, the shooting looks like a combination of poor police training and the after-effects of idiot Bheki Cele's "shoot first, ask questions later" policy. As for the ANCYL's contention that Ramaphosa had lost all credibility as a leader of the people, well he hasn;t been one of those for years. Although he's been a top ANC member, he's been primarily a businesman for the past 15 years - and rarely, if ever says anything in public relating to political leadership issues.

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-10-24 15:10

      "Concomitant" - naturally accompanying or associated with. Ramaphosa did not ask for "appropriate" action - which would have left the police to decide what is appropriate. He asked for "concomitant" action - i.e. that action which naturally (i.e. unavoidably) accompanies such provocation. Ramaphosa was entirely within his rights to do so, and only hysterical children would see that as "agitating and inciting the police" - who are by definition not open to "agitating and inciting". I personally wish the infernal ANCYL would limit itself to the issues that concern it, and about which it (hopefully) has a little knowledge.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-10-24 15:11

      Jeremy, if the reports are to be believed the police tried everything else, water cannons, rubber bullets, tear gas etc, I reckon they shot the miners because they were charged by an angry mob armed with knives, spears and guns, I'm not sure what other action they could have taken.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:02

      Thats what happens when you allow criminals to groom you.

  • Michael - 2012-10-24 14:54

    ANCYL as usual very opportunistic, commision of enquiry is still doing its work and already ANCYL has concluded its findings, why dont we wait for the outcome of the commision and then we can start pointing fingures. I hope comrade Cyril does not comment on this nonsense from ANCYL.

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-10-24 15:15

      I agree with you Michael - except in the use of the word "comrade", which was appropriate in a completely failed, discredited and, in fact, thoroughly dead dispensation. And yes, I do believe that Ramaphosa will refrain from commenting before the board's findings are published, because that will be the wise thing to do.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:04

      Whether he comments or not........he still remains a criminal groomed by criminals

  • anri.tredoux - 2012-10-24 14:54

    The ANC youth league is only going on like this because Mr Ramaphosa is a actual politician, one of very few left.. You can't have everything, stop standing with your hands open and actually work for once for the money you so called want to urn.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:06

      When others didn't work for what they believe is theirs, prepared to even use their student criminals to hide their intention to kill.

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-24 14:56

    Well at least it's official. You're not allowed to complain about violent behavior or any breaking of laws. The laws are just there as ornaments for the rest of the world to admire, not actually anything anyone living here has to worry about.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:09

      Those who made this law are also not worried about it, they just kill knowing that their workers will take blame simple because they gave then a very very very small bite in a pie.

  • John.Yossarian22 - 2012-10-24 14:58

    Never thought I would say this, but I'm with Cyril on this one.

      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-24 15:38

      You are not alone!

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:10

      Criminals.........what else can they do except sticking to one another during trying times.

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-10-24 14:58

    Why dont you tell your expelled fat boy to apologise and the rest of the unions to apologise ffor getting the miners all fired up and aggressive?? Then when it went crazy your fat boy and the union leaders ran like cowards.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:11

      I think its still gonna get crazier.......fasten you belt.

  • stephen.scott.376043 - 2012-10-24 15:02

    He doesn’t need to apologise for anything.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:12

      Just like criminals don't have apologize for stilling the land.

  • mart.botha - 2012-10-24 15:04

    No one at Lonmin owes anyone an apology. The dead and wounded miners chose their own fate after listening to the likes of Malema, muti men and probably their families. They decided to incriminate themselves and pose a danger to others by their actions on that fateful day. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that had the SAPS not opened fire to repel the attack, these criminals would have slaughtered many of them. Insurance companies must refuse to pay out death benefits, and those behind motivating the miners to anarchy must be ordered to carry the cost of upkeep of the dependents. Do insurers pay out for suicide because effectively this is what the deceased did!

      lesetedi - 2012-10-24 17:07

      But Malema only went there after the shooting! what on earth are you talking about? you are very ignorant and you allow your ignorance to dictate to you what to say. Dont you think its better to find facts before you post your ignorance?

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:14

      Suicide!!!!!!!!!!!.........the official thugs shot them moron.

  • Phindile Manganyi - 2012-10-24 15:05

    heated,finally pressure is placed right heads

  • xololwabantu.madikizela - 2012-10-24 15:05

    He must be arrested!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 15:08

      You must go to a mental asylum..

      Andrea - 2012-10-24 15:23

      You've got to have a brain to go to a mental asylum.

      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-24 15:48

      For what? Nothing has been concluded as yet, or do you follow the same mind set as The ANCYL........jumpimg to the gun?

      sean.kedian - 2012-10-24 22:06

      And you need a brain transplant. Eedjit

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:16

      No he must not be arrested, he might cause another conflict of interest in prison business.

  • Teuneman - 2012-10-24 15:07

    I agree. It must go as follows: I am sorry that we had to shoot your hustbands.

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-10-24 15:14


      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-24 16:32

      Not Moriri Mosweu again. Velcro scalp

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:19

      I agree. It must go as follows: I am sorry that some sheep had to be sacrificed to make up for a bid for that bull in the auction.

  • Frischris - 2012-10-24 15:08

    Yes ANCYL, let him appologise and I'm sure all will accept and things will be OK.

  • lvhukeya1 - 2012-10-24 15:13

    That is not neccesarily mr Ramaphosa must be brought to court to clear his name if our justice system have fairness nd if we're all equal b4 de law. what he did is equals to murder.

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-10-24 15:36


      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-24 16:35

      @Ivukeya. And your beloved Juju for the call to make the mines ungovernable ?? I haven't heard a word about him during the inquest.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:22

      Fairness where?????????? In that BS called judiciary, you must be a tourist here...........

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-10-24 15:13

    Sorry he must do what? The workers were on an unprotected strike, they had assaulted and killed a number of innocent security guards, they were carrying weapons, they took motto from a sangoma to "protect them from police bullets" and they behaved in a threatening manner! It was self defense by the police, maybe over the top but self defense. If you run at me with a deadly weapon with the intent to do me harm and I had a weapon, I would shoot you dead on the spot. You clowns must understand one thing, you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:28

      You live by the sword you die by the sword, you live by gun, you die by the gun, you live by crime you die by why people are complaining about crime, cos the foundation of this country is based on unsolved crime.......Land stolen by these thieves ordering the official thugs Police) to kill people so at to protect their ill gotten minerals.

  • impi.masondo - 2012-10-24 15:13

    mine must belong to the people not the criminals in santon

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 15:42

      Then start one yourselves...

      johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-24 15:48

      Which people? I bet you don't know

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:29

      Criminals are all over twit

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-10-24 15:13

    I fully agree young lions......BUT not only him, the whole lot of shareholders!!

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-10-24 15:35

      Young lions? All I see are young sheep.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 15:42

      More like baby pigs... More KFC anyone?

      johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-24 15:49

      What are you silly folks smoking?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 16:07

      Blueberry Kush :)

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-24 23:14

      @Thando.ramncwana - So, we are waiting for your apology...You are not a shareholder, you say? Do you have a funeral policy, perhaps life insurance or pension plan? Chances are that you then are a shareholder as these companies invest in the the stock exchange and specifically in mining. So, let's hear your apology...

  • andre.stols.581 - 2012-10-24 15:15

    Why must he apologise for the barbaric actions of both the police as well as the strikers out there?

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:31

      ....and barbaric criminals out to kill to protect the criminal activities......

  • simon.mwando - 2012-10-24 15:15

    For what? Does juju n company knows e meaning of \concomitant action\

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-10-24 15:17

    The ANCYL are lacking in intelligence and comprehension, aren't they?

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:33

      But the criminals are not lacking the intelligence yet they are happy when people are killed............wonder what is a meaning of intelligence.

  • Slagen Magidi - 2012-10-24 15:19

    Police minister Nathi Mthethwa must be removed from his position he is a killer and he doesn't have respect to our constitution

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-24 15:24

      Yeh like Malema who incites the strikers!!!!

      linda.horsfield.77 - 2012-10-24 15:24

      Using the same logic( or lack of) the miners must be removed from their positions because they dont respect our consitution- or any of the labour laws either!

      johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-24 15:50

      You are not a very intelligent person it seems!!!

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:35

      ..remove the criminals behind him, that should forever solve the problem.

  • lwazi.sibiya.10 - 2012-10-24 15:22

    Why apologise when he needs 2 be arrested for inciting violence. Mxm heartless fat cat

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 15:56

      Yawn.... Anyone here with logical reasoning?

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-10-24 15:23

    I am extremely dissapointed and pissed off at Ramaphosa. Share prices and company turnovers are more important to him than human life. The bible says God cannot give you something he thinks you cannot hande but the poor carry alot VS the rich. Where is the fairness if he loves people equally? God if you exsist just take your world, just end this world one time.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 16:07

      Rather be pissed off than pissed on I say!

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-24 15:25

    He did nothing wrong by wanting law and order to be restored. If anything blame the miners that acted like criminals by destroying property and killing 10.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:37

      Law and Order is when slaves obey their musters..........breed of vipers.

  • Andrea - 2012-10-24 15:28

    No, he cannot apologise. If he does that he will basically be admitting to wrongdoing, and then SAPS will have to follow suit. This will open the gates for all sorts or civil claims which the SAPS can ill afford. It is my understanding from a previous unrelated article that SAPS already "budget" for civil claims. How sad is that.

  • Kalari - 2012-10-24 15:29

    Cyril is not a comrade anymore Ronald he is a capitalist now. Time to wake up from the dead Ronald.

  • werner.dippenaar.77 - 2012-10-24 15:30

    Apologise ? What about incitement to public bloody violence ! he should be prosecuted for playing God.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:41

      No he must be prosecuted for taking the position of the one who is playing God.

  • ben.alexander.16144 - 2012-10-24 15:37

    So, it was Cyril's fault all along, not Apartheid's......

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:43

      Its a combination of both and the cocktail of criminals (the powers behind) and their graduates (the politicians).

  • Ally Rhandzeka - 2012-10-24 15:41

    am sure he dint instruct th police to kill th miners bt he wanted th police to act againts unruly bhavr by sm of th miners.hs intetion was to restore oder.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:44

      Whatever so long the profit of the masters was protected to protect his job.

  • langakumalo - 2012-10-24 15:43

    How long will the black people sit idle and accept these insults these white boys are throwing at us in this forum.

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-24 15:52

      Grow up little Child : You think you are revolutionaries wheras you are in fact simply revolting .With a leader like Mallie ,you deserve insults . Arigato Gezeimasta.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 15:57

      Gee langakhumalo, The Sowetan is a place for you to join your brothers and sisters in hurling insults at white people... bye bye, you'll love it there..

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-10-24 16:05

      For as long as you display absolute stupidity and ignorance. We will sit as long as we want in our country and tell you how corrupt your government is and how stupid you are.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-24 16:26

      As a white South African I am proud of our country but seriously disturbed by the ongoing events that continue to negate our country ,it's strenghths and it's proud and concerned people both black and white.

      langakumalo - 2012-10-24 16:33

      Hence; Black people please don't vote for the DA come next election.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:46

      So long they sit there believing in this fuss called freedom.

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-10-24 15:45

    There's no need for Cyril ramaphosa to apologise because those hooligans(dead-miners) bought their one way tickets to wherever they're now, when they first killed those 10 innocent people.Why the 10 innocent people who were killed by those thugs are not mentioned at all? were they not important human beings? Those 34 dead hooligans(miners) deserve what they bargained for. This mentality of violence when people are on strike it must stop because it is not good for everyone.

      langakumalo - 2012-10-24 16:36

      What kind of a human being r u keith. No-one deserve to die. The only hooligan I c is u. What happened in Marikana is regrettable. Because your father was not there doesnt make it acceptable!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 16:53

      Eish. Langa... I can only shake my head at your logic.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-10-24 17:50

      Wena langakumalo, my father was not there because first he's not a hooligan,secondly he didn't leave primary school through a classroom windows, thirdly he's is not 28 or 35 years old young man he's a 70 something years old grandpa and father to me and my siblings so leave my dad out of this bull-crap because he's a well mannered person. Coming to your point I still stand about what I said, those hooligans deserved to be where they're because they started it(violence).

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-10-25 10:49

      This mentality of violence when people are on strike it must stop because it is not good for everyone..........specially for us criminals and when our economic bubble is almost in a position to burst.....

  • johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-24 15:47

    Was Cyril responsible for the illegal strikers conduct? Most certainly not. So Cyril do the right and ignore the pain in the but ancyl.

  • firstseed.mbeva - 2012-10-24 15:48

    So the R1.8m buffalo bidder is the actual & factual cause of the Marikana miners?

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-10-24 15:48

    There is no difference between Ramaphosa, Terblanche, Malan and Botha.. They are all the samee, they all have blood on their hands

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 15:58

      And the ANCYL's constant rhetoric makes us all want to hug each other right?

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-11-05 09:55

      Even Mandela, the world icon is part of that club........

  • joe.whiteman.9 - 2012-10-24 15:49

    @masello I was born in this country before you! It is more mine than yours Knob !!!!!!!

  • joe.whiteman.9 - 2012-10-24 15:53

    @langakumalo Everytime you open your mouth you ask for insults!

      langakumalo - 2012-10-24 16:46

      Insults are wrong. They say a lot about a person's upbringing and values.

  • majwarha.balakisi - 2012-10-24 15:54

    In 1986 my Father and thousands of his colleagues were dismissed from the mines because of Ramaphosa. He led them to an unprotected strike. Today he sees his own people as criminals.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 15:59

      If you kill people you are a criminal, what part of this isn't getting through to your brain?

  • Daniel Mah - 2012-10-24 15:55

    nothing to really apologise for - its called protecting ones own interest

  • Given Maluleka - 2012-10-24 16:01

    Ha Ramaposa Aowa,Why mara

  • lwandile.sobantu - 2012-10-24 16:01

    apology wont make a difference, what we south africans expecting is that such thing like that wont happen again because it have costed us big time. may our govt take part on such things like these next time before things turn up to mess.

      salack.mulweyi - 2012-11-05 10:00

      For all of this nonsense to stop Mandela must do a public apology, I tell you this will stop all these insults people, don't you think.

  • collen.masetla - 2012-10-24 16:07

    Is he the one people ask for to be our deputy president? Please we can't afford scandals from president then deputy then going down. We all know that money laundering is not such a serious charge, so we ain't worried about that as it is not really a scandal. But asking for live amunition for people begging for better wages? oh no and the less talked about the 260million village the better as it also raises serious questions when a miner earns 2500 working under difficult conditions. WATCH OUT IN 2014 GENERAL ELECTIONS ANC. SOLUTION FROM ME: Nationalise these mines as now you are exposed why you didn't want it to happen, Motlanthe for president, don't be scared and jelous because we all know where the credit for nationalisation will go to if it happens and succeed JUST LIKE IN BOTSWANA. Put our ANCWL, ANC women's league in line as we know why they support a certain individual for president though he has nothing to show what he did best(BUT ANYWAY WE KNOW WHAT HE GAVE THEM OR PROMISED THEM IF HE GET THAT POST AGAIN, AGH U ALL KNOW WHAT HE DOES BEST). SHUT mantashe down, he is trying to give credit to president for decline in hiv/aids infection,but how come? akere people just started using protection and believing that there is no witchcraft aids is here, how can u not use protection then influence people to use it by not using it? tjo south africa...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 16:10

      Begging for better wages by killing 10 people... Look, I agree with some of what you are saying, but I think most of you are seriously misinformed about these "poor" miners "who were just asking for more money"...

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-10-24 16:13

    I wonder if Doom will work on the ANCYL?

      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-24 16:47

      I feel that Target works better on cockcroatches!

  • Tobie Vd Vyver - 2012-10-24 16:25

    The stupid ancyl is quick to say he must apologise, when do they, malema and lamola apologise for hate speech and racist remarks against white people?

  • Melusi - 2012-10-24 16:25

    Why is the kiling of Marikana miners so special. We dont here anyone condemning the daily killing of police. Actually the number of police officers that hv been killed surpasses that of Marikana yet no one says anything.

  • Melusi - 2012-10-24 16:25

    Why is the kiling of Marikana miners so special. We dont here anyone condemning the daily killing of police. Actually the number of police officers that hv been killed surpasses that of Marikana yet no one says anything.