AWB's Visagie stands his ground

2010-04-08 14:07

Cape Town – Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) secretary general André Visagie says the reason he lost his temper during the recording of an eNews show on Wednesday was because he was not given the opportunity to respond to accusations made against him.

Visagie made headlines after footage of him storming off set during an interview was aired on eNews Prime Time on Wednesday.

He was being asked questions by political commentator and guest Lebogang Pheko on the show hosted by Chris Maroleng.

"I cannot understand why they would invite me to the studio if they won't allow me to say what I want to say, while the other guest was allowed to," he told News24 on Thursday.

Racially discriminated against

"At one point, I had made eight points on the accusations that had been made against me," Visagie said.

He said one of the accusations made against him was that he is a racist and hated black people.

"When I replied, I was not allowed to answer them as the other guest," he said. "They created the impression that I am guilty of the things they have said."

He said he was being racially discriminated against during the recording of the show.

"The other guest was not at any point interrupted," he added.

Visagie said he immediately phoned ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe after leaving the studio.


"I warned him that while ANC were trying to work toward peace, those two were trying to disrupt racial relations," he said. "I find this very irresponsible."

According to Visagie, he had met with Mantashe on Tuesday and said he believes the ANC and AWB could work together in calming racial tension.

When asked if he would go back and do the interview again, Visagie said: "I’ll send them to hell if they called me back. I don't mix with children and I won't get back to them."

Ben Said, eNews group news editor, said he did not think that Pheko had lost objectivity during the recording.

"She has her opinion just like the member of the AWB has," said Said.

  • Joe - 2010-04-08 14:32

    I vow never to watch ETV again.

  • Rupert - 2010-04-08 14:34

    When having a discussion, an "opinion" is the last thing which should be raised. If it's an "opinion" by definition it can't be debated. It raises the question whether Pheko is professionally qualified to lead a debate panel on national television.

  • Judge Dread - 2010-04-08 14:35

    why not show on the video how she chastised him BEFORE his outburst?

  • LoudMouth - 2010-04-08 14:36

    I watched the interview and both parties were out of line. people must be given a chance to reply to the questions not steamrolled into making rash statements. Pheko was in the wrong. However a white man will always be labeled in that situation and Mr. Visagie was clearly in the wrong. E-TV should be ashamed of themselves for causing this tension. Ben Said has lost my respect as an investigative jouralist. E-TV has become springer-esque in their news coverage. Stick to the facts.

  • Angel - 2010-04-08 14:36

    We saw what happened, he wasn't given the chance to answer questions, they kept interrupting him. The new SA is going down the drain, and is MUCH MUCH worse off than it was ever before!!! Get competant people to run the country again!!

  • Guidobaldo de Pazzi - 2010-04-08 14:39

    I dont agree with the manner in which the white dude reacted, but on the other hand, he had no other choice because he was being smothered by the other guest who did interrupt him. You cant expect people to sit down like puppies while you accuse them of terrible things, they will defend themselves, and they have the right to.

  • Ian - 2010-04-08 14:39

    Funny enough, I watched a interview on TV3 on Tuesday, and the same happened on that show. The person being asked the questions was not given a chance to answer. while the person doing the interview, kept on interupting. Seems very strange.

  • Harry t - 2010-04-08 14:41

    We give to much credit to apartheid schools. No long ago, youth leader from afriforum was given platform with floyd(ancyl) to debate the issue at hand. The guy from afriforum went about the type of watch shivambu is wearing and car that he drives. pathetic. But anyway they are our countrymen, we just have to tolerate them.

  • Johan - 2010-04-08 14:41

    If you go into the lion's den you should expext to be attacked and be prepared.Mr.Visagie should not have been there,he is obviously not the right person to represend the AWB in public! But then,who is...? I think the "Afrikaners" can voice their believes through much more possitive channels than the AWB!

  • mv - 2010-04-08 14:41

    it is so obvious that the journalist was making inflammatory statements that had nothing to do with objective journalism. she was being condescending to the extreme. this interview was obviously not in the spirit of getting the viewpoint of mr visagie, but rather an attempt to ridicule him and his beliefs. her obvious bias towards him has no place in journalism. i agree that he could have tried to control his temper but i feel he was ultimately correct in removing himself from this farce parading as an interview.

  • KD - 2010-04-08 14:42

    I agree. I have never seen such an unprofessional interviewer. If you ask someone a question, you should do them the courtesy of allowing them to answer. She was only interested in pushing her point of view across. Shocking standards from eTV. And the other gentleman? Pointing his finger and trying to squeeze all the drama he could. If these are the faces of eTV, the company should hang its head in shame. Shocking standards of journalism. I may not agree with Visagie or his policies, but eTV's behaviour was disgusting. I certainly won't be watching that channel again.

  • PDR - 2010-04-08 14:43

    What bad journalism - If you don't give a person the chance to talk, you can't debate an issue, and shame on you Chris Maroleng. You grab his arm and threaten him, and the you say, don't touch me? You look like a racist to me, are you?

  • Paul - 2010-04-08 14:43

    hahahahaha What a clown this Visagie character is!

  • not surprised - 2010-04-08 14:44

    That debate was a joke. It was suppose to be a "debate" not a personal attack Mr Visagie. She never accused him left right and centre and never let him answer or give his opinion. And whats even worse is that the so called presenter never stepped in earlier to let Mr Visagie have his opinion. Regardless of whose opinion was right or wrong i wanted to hear both sides of the story. And that was never allowed.

  • verity - 2010-04-08 14:44

    Interviewer was trying to unduly influence direction of debate against Mr. Visagie who ALSO has the right to make his points without interruption.

  • Guy M - 2010-04-08 14:45

    It was stupid inviting him onto the show, surely etv would know that a fool like that would not be able to remain civil in a debate ! His ideologies arn't retionally constructed, therefore when challenged in a rational debate the only possible outcome would be him exploding! Poor AWB simpleton

  • Barbara - 2010-04-08 14:45

    Please show the run-up to this incident so that the public can judge for themselves whether this action was provoked or petulance. It is pointless showing only the most inflammatory clips and expect a rational debate on the subject. This, in fact, is journalism at its weakest. is fast losing what integrity it might have for fairness and independence. What does Ms Patta have to say on the saga?

  • Lorenz - 2010-04-08 14:45

    In our Country it is the daily experience that only the majority has a voice,but no knowlegde of the heritage and past history of events long before the Aparheid Act startet. In this week it was 358 year ago when Dutch setlers startet this Country and proper civilsation become part of Southern Africa.In these days honour,respect and minority rights are treatet with disgust.

  • Eugene - 2010-04-08 14:46

    Wow so this is how they turn the international media!!

    If it was true that she had a oppinion, why not let the man also say his say.

    This was a cheap shot to make the white man look like an idiot! Any person will get frustrated and lose his temper if it happended to them..white or black!!

    You are all racist! Never did the apartheid era goverment agree to gorilla warfare as you stated in previous reports! The news medi are face and only half the truth is getting through!

    The reason for disputes in the past was because we where at war! Mandela was part of a terrorist group not freedom fighters! they planted bombs and planned genocide! Why dont u print the truth...The whole truth and nothing but the truth! yes no body is innocent...but a storys never one sided!

  • sardonicus - 2010-04-08 14:46

    I found it sensational the way the whole thing played out, but still meneer Visagie, you could have done better with dealing with teh whole situation like maybe waiting for a gap to chirp you five bob before losing it like that!

  • ian - 2010-04-08 14:47

    She did badger him and although I strongly disagree with the AWB I must say that it was pretty clear she was not going to hear him out. As an interviewer she needed to distance herself and only looked at the issues at hand, throwing 3 or more counter arguments at the person without allowing him the decency to respond or explain the 1st tells it's own story. It's blatantly clear that we are faced with a growing reality that we are heading towards a rift in SA, the problem is that some will use it as an excuse to advance their own agendas and ideals. We do not need provocation of this kind in our country but there seems to be no way to stop it. Sadly the insecurity the anc government has failed to address will have such a negative influence on investment and is likely to result in even more high profile people leaving for good. If you think SA is better of this way you need to grow a brain...

  • Elizha - 2010-04-08 14:47

    I wish everybody would start listing to others views. Stop talking and start doing things to better our country. The people in power are disapointing us.

  • Niel - 2010-04-08 14:47

    But he did touch him in his studio?!

  • Indian - 2010-04-08 14:47

    Visagie is correct to be upset. Period.

  • Neville - 2010-04-08 14:47

    E TV' interviewer was looking for problems and got what she was seeking.

    E Tv should remember "Cowboys don't cry"

    I do not condone the AWB representative's action but both parties went too far and the result is they should accept what happened and move on with life

  • jerry - 2010-04-08 14:48

    Ben Said is a real comic- Pheko should be an independent objective analyst . in this case she was antagonising , unobjective and confrontational- displaying her own racism for all to see. so much for ETV's supposed professional journalism . Pathetic and boorish.

  • Pieter - 2010-04-08 14:48

    The way he left and came back after loosing his cool shows that he felt discriminated and disrespected, whether he was or not is a matter of debate but personally I think he handled it totally wrong. But I don't think Lebogang Pheko or Visagie is at fault here. The facilitator of the debate is solely responsible for how it played out. Chris Maroleng not only clearly chose sides, totally lost objectivity and became a terrible facilitator for the debate. His actions in touching Visagie and then power tripping with "Don't touch me on my studio" (ROFLOL). Nway, I hope Chris reflects on his performance and take it with him in his career going forward.

  • LC - 2010-04-08 14:49

    The last line sums it up: "She has her opinion just like the member of the AWB has," said Said. THE POINT IS THAT THE INTERVIEWER'S OPINION DOES NOT MATTER IN THIS FORUM. SHE MERELY FACILITATES!

    Bad interview style. Period.

  • Balsak - 2010-04-08 14:49

    LOL @ Chris Maroleng, he sounds like a typical black in a Afrikaans Porno....Mr..Visagie...Mr..Visagie...I'm warning you...LOL, but the best is his statement off...why are you threatening this "Poor" women Mr. Visagie....E-TV was stupid enough to host such a debate....E.T is not even buried yet, and they want to host debates between Left & Right Wing....Such a Stupid!!

  • PIETER FREDERICK - 2010-04-08 14:53


  • mv - 2010-04-08 14:53

    For her to make such ridiculous statements as to say that Afrikaner people don't have a separate history, culture, and ideology and that its only an his "opinion" and a ridiculous one to boot, is tantamount to a slap in the face. it is sad to think some black people believe the only "culture" that Afrikaans speaking people have is South Africa is racism. They forget that the majority of white people in this country are Afrikaans and that they voted for black people to be free. And to those who say we only did so out of fear of retaliation do not know who we are. We voted out of conscience not out of fear and prejudiced. All we ask is that you respect us and acknowledge our rights as citizens in this country. are these not the same basic human rights that the black people fought for all these years? or do you believe all men are equal but some are more equal than others?

  • Grant Abbott - 2010-04-08 14:54

    I've already given my response to this circus e-tv called an interview. You can read it here:

  • If it bleeds, it leads - 2010-04-08 14:55

    The interviewer is the daughter of the PAC's Motsoko Pheko,no?...What do you expect?
    The AWB should have known that they were going to be goaded by extreme leftist rhetoric and been wise enough to A) Not attend or, B) Send a representative with a bit more diplomatic skill.
    All involved are pathetic. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry.

  • etvowesusanapology - 2010-04-08 14:55

    having watch the interview myself, it is clear that the woman was completely in the wrong and etv should apologies to their viewers and fire her immediately. In fact whereas I never really liked the AWB, I will now seriously consider joining them as an active member!

  • Lebo - 2010-04-08 14:56

    That lady has NO manners! And the E-TV intyerviewer NO skills!!!! Its easy to get someone angry... but only intelligent people can get intelligent reactions.. What a bunch of idiots!

  • Thido - 2010-04-08 14:56

    it a pity that after more than a decade of our democracy, our leaders are not leading by example. I believe Mr. Visagie should have handdle things differently given that he is a leader. What we witnessed was deep hatred and dispise for blacks, the way he was threatening Pheko showed how our people working on farms are treated

  • Kenneth - 2010-04-08 14:58

    Watching the video clip, Chris Maroleng definately caused the issue. He acted up for the cameras, and was unfortunately he was the first to grab Visage. enews should have gone off air and made a non issue, but unfortunately Chris Maroleng is guilty of creating the news rather than reporting on it

  • M Venter - 2010-04-08 14:58

    Just another reason to never ever get angry in public view. Shame on Andre.

  • Hendrik - 2010-04-08 14:59

    I am not an AWB supporter at all, but what I've seen here is journalism and interviewing at its worst, the two should be fired - they obviously had an agenda and they did so by harassing Mr. Visagie and not really interested in what he had to say. I, for one, will switch to another channel if I see either of them on TV again. Pathetic!

  • mash - 2010-04-08 15:00

    then if you were not allowed to comment if u were clever u should have kept quite or vamoosed the studio than acting like a boy

  • T Bone - 2010-04-08 15:01

    Watched the extract and all I can say is it looks like a bunch of school kids in the playground. No wonder SA is in the position we are

  • sarge - 2010-04-08 15:02

    There are going to be a lot more tempers flaring in this country.I have never seen so many"political commentators'all of a sudden flaring up who dont know their left from their right.Good show Visagie,lets see more reality TV.Any footage of JULIAS losing it with the BBC reporter today,that should make good viewing,loving it ,Sarge.

  • Wes - 2010-04-08 15:02

    The AWB is a joke. Anyone that defends this idiot needs serious help.

    'We only want to live on our own with our own volk and religion' What the hell??

    They are racists!! Finshed and klaar... no denying that FACT!!!

  • RYAN - 2010-04-08 15:02

    GOOD FOR YOU Mr. Visagie !!!!! I watched the video and I agree.
    They did not give you a change to talk... They were looking for a fight, and they got it....

  • kevin - 2010-04-08 15:03

    Unfortunately Andre' Visagie is 100% correct. When you deal with a child, you cannot have rational discourse...children lack the maturity and responsibility and I would add common courtesy, to engage in robust debate, without resorting to shouting down others, or not giving them the opportunity to respond. And Andre' Visagie was dealing with a child...a giggly little girl who certainly does not belong in a forum such as this.

  • Lamech - 2010-04-08 15:04

    I saw the show the lady never gave him a chance. She was like Debra Patta who most of the time wants to impose her opinion on someone by cutting him/her off without giving him a chance to complete a sentence. If I ware in his shoes I would do the same-walk out

  • Bart Simpson - 2010-04-08 15:04

    So what exactly does this woman mean when she says " you versus us....."

  • Geeed - 2010-04-08 15:05

    I would of done the same thing - stupid interviewer, and the other guy in the studio does nothing to calm things down - "touch me in my studio" - agh please... grow up.

  • HGP - 2010-04-08 15:05

    What do you expect from a free channel? The whole thing was planned exactly for the reaction that it caused. And what action is goin to be taken against the host? That was completely unprofessional behaviour from him. Don't touch me on my studio!! lol

  • matt - 2010-04-08 15:07

    Unprofessional interviewer, and arrogant & righteous Africans and Afrikaners... a bad mix. Etv news has been going for years and they still look like a bunch of amateurs against established news channels.