Academy claims to cure homosexuality

2013-01-13 14:33

Bloemfontein - A Christian arts academy in Bloemfontein has come under fire for advertising that it can "cure" homosexual students, it was reported on Sunday.

The Sunday Times reported that the Creare Training Centre's prospectus claimed it could convert gay students into heterosexuals through "rehabilitation".

Gay rights activists had slammed this as "tragic, shameful and deeply hurtful", according to the report.

Creare founder Cornelius can Heyningen denied that the institution was discriminatory.

"We are catering for those who say 'I want to change as a homosexual'. That's not saying no homosexuals are allowed."

He compared the academy's stance on homosexuality to a drug rehabilitation programme.

However, according to the prospectus, gay students who were unwilling to change their lifestyle would not be welcome.

Gay rights organisation OUT director Dawie Nel told the newspaper the academy's stance was unconstitutional.

"Their comments fuel violent discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people, such as the rape of gays and lesbians to 'cure' them; or even murders being committed," he said.

According to the report, the academy's claims were not legal under the terms of the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act of 2006.

  • paulus.deboer.3 - 2013-01-13 14:42

    Ooo boy.. seems like the news from the real world takes a bit longer to reach Bloem. Don't they know that this is bogus?

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2013-01-13 17:03

      Bogus? Pretty darned stupid in my (not so humble) opinion.

      Pulverturm - 2013-01-13 17:30

      I wonder if they can cure people who have a desire for eating shellfish... Personally I think people who have a big issue with homosexuality are dealing with some deeply seated repressed homosexual feelings. Why else would they be so concerned with that other people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms?

      morne.demeillon - 2013-01-13 17:38

      Yip, these days you get pills for anything!

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2013-01-13 14:44

    no doubt they bury their mistakes.

  • paulus.deboer.3 - 2013-01-13 14:44

  • paulus.deboer.3 - 2013-01-13 14:45

    This is what Dr Spitzer said: . "I believe I owe the gay community an apology," his letter said. "I also apologise to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works."

  • nthato.thema1 - 2013-01-13 14:46


  • chantelle.fourie.71404 - 2013-01-13 14:47

    They should instead teach the students about atheism - the "cure" for religion.

      jack.schnitzer.1 - 2013-01-13 15:42

      Fortunately for us Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship with GOD.

      mark.a.fysh - 2013-01-13 16:49

      Come on @CC. That IS religion!

      chantelle.fourie.71404 - 2013-01-13 17:06

      ...and *not* collecting stamps is also just a hobby. Right?

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-13 18:57 Pretty much sums it up.

      mark.a.fysh - 2013-01-13 20:09

      @CC. I misread and paid the price. This was acually meant for @jack.schnitzer.

      chantelle.fourie.71404 - 2013-01-13 21:12

      @Rustic, OK now that makes more sense. LOL.

      jutice.forall - 2013-01-13 23:09

      @jack Yip, so right and only when you grasp that can you tackle issues head on with answers of substance that really matter. BIG difference between religion and relationship.

      gemma.vandermerwe - 2013-01-14 08:47

      @Jack I don't believe in Superman, I have a relationship with him. See how your statement can be hilarious?

  • Eterni80 - 2013-01-13 15:04

    here we go again.. pity they don't specialise in curing corruption amongst politicians..

      saintbruce.bruce - 2013-01-13 16:40

      We are working on it. Hedonistic pleasures are hard to leave once tasted by a Comrade returned from exile!

  • markymarkJHB - 2013-01-13 15:05

    These arw the minds of the uneducated.... we need to f9rgive them for being so ignorant

  • AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-13 15:06

    . A soceity can only claim to be decent, if it respects and protects its minorities!!

  • eon.engelbrecht - 2013-01-13 15:07

    Probably the most ridiculous story I've seen so far this year. What on earth is going on with this world and its people? To try and convert people for something they can't even help. I'm wondering if people realise that the gay lifestyle is extremely difficult- would you honestly CHOOSE a lifestyle where you're judged and rejected? Shame on the Christian Academy in Bloem for this. This is certainly NOT the Christian thing to do. Thanks to SAPA and News 24 for exposing this.

      jutice.forall - 2013-01-13 23:19

      Absolutely right. It is not the Christian thing to do, but "they" just don't get it. Why?

  • sam.mantori - 2013-01-13 15:09

    Pity they can't cure their own stupidity!!! For Friggin Fracks Sake!!!

      cemslie - 2013-01-13 15:53

      Therein lies your answer!!! Just because you Think YOUR god is the ONLY god, there are millions who disagree, dont try and force people into your beliefs which are themselves flawed and outdated!! Get a life

      mlokotho1 - 2013-01-13 16:17

      @cemsile I am forcing no one i was responding to sam for calling stupidity what the bible advocates, if you dont believe in it then its fine go on and be mad

  • Jacques - 2013-01-13 15:10

    Bunch of bigots

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-01-13 15:53

      mlokotho1, how did you manage to make this a race issue? And how does the anti-christ come into this?

      mlokotho1 - 2013-01-13 16:14

      @tersia i m sory to generalize but majority of whites dont care what God says probably cos they are worshiping money as their nwe found god ,everthing has to be beatiful in your eyes then God can wait

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-13 16:31

      @mlokotho1 - what does it matter if whites are anti-god? What has it got to do with you? Your religion is YOUR business, nobody elses. If you are happy to be a christian and it works for you then go for it, but leave others out of your religious convictions.

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-13 17:12

      @mlokotho - I doubt they would have gone their out of free-will - I am sure any of those guys who enrolled for this course did so as a result of guilt caused by the christian philosophy - in fact I would even be so arrogant as to assume that the cause of any gay person's suffering in this WORLD has its roots in a religious upbringing(I am including ALL religions). Unfortunately what is considered discipleship is nothing but an attempt to convince others to follow your path, and as we know well, the more people feel that they belong to a group the more it opens the way for discrimination against those who do not share the same values or are different. You might not mean harm, as an individual, but discipleship as a collective has caused too much harm in this world.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-13 19:00

      As Chris Rock said: "If you're black, and Christian, you have a very short memory."

      MJS1234 - 2013-01-13 21:19

      So @mlokotho1 you are a bigot and a racist, how proud the christian church must be to have you with them!

      louwc - 2013-01-14 01:25

      mlokotho1 - be careful, you can open this to a discussion on "corrective rape" which to date I believe is a practice in Africa mostly found amongst which race group? Lets focus on the issue. Peoples' personal choices are their own but their orientation is not. Religion/race/ethnicity/etc is a lotto of birth (99% of the time.)If you were born in Delhi, chances would be that you would be winging on some Indian internet site of how the Hindu religion is misunderstood (unless you were Muslim which would mean that you would have to defend your religion brought into disrepute by a minority radical faction, or be part of that minority faction and have to go to classes to understand how to duck tape explosives to yourself). The notion that homosexuality can be cured is as silly as that they will find a cure for me being white. Which I would take because then I could win government tenders! But I think if you ask most homosexual individuals if they want to be "cured" the answer will be "no, just respected"!

      henry.vanderburpenfart - 2013-01-14 08:02

      mlokotho1: Isn't it ironic that the White Man brought his religion to Africa to control the Black Man?

  • henry.vanderburpenfart - 2013-01-13 15:15

    This is relevant:

  • tokeloshe - 2013-01-13 15:19

    What century are these guys living in?

  • thando.mashinini.739 - 2013-01-13 15:20

    I am christian, but I don't think forcing ppl to be straight is a solution, it just brings more and more rebellion. God gave each and every human being free will. No one on earth has the power to judge any1. On the other hand, if it is an optional organisation which doesn't force gays and lesbians to change, then so it be!

  • luzuko.qongo - 2013-01-13 15:21

    Oh Mr Cornelius, while you are at it, please find a cure for your stupidity and get a grip on life!!

  • jewel.moyana - 2013-01-13 15:25

    Here is something I have never understood, if the school clearly states that it is Christian and therefore is against homosexuality ,why do you feel the need to attend that particular school. I don't hear Christians crying foul cos they want their ideologies adopted in Muslim schools or Bhudhists trying to change Mormon ideologies !! Come now guys open a secular school for everyone and everything

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-13 19:03

      Technically, public schools are supposed to be secular, in the sense that it doesn't promote one religion over another. But the government turns a blind eye, since enforcing that particular rule would cost them votes.

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-14 00:36

      Many gay people are Christian. Being gay does not automatically turn you into an atheist. In any case, do you remember when black people were not allowed into white churches? Why dont you think about that and ask yourself your question again?

  • willie.schoeman.144 - 2013-01-13 15:26

    This is wrong in so many ways. What about parents who dont accept their children? Will they be sending their vulnurable child to this place.. A child who wants to make his parents proud ? and what if he can't change ? Because as far as i know, being gay is part of who you are. Just as much as you cant change your skin colour, you cant change your sexuality. So now this child can't change, he dissapoint his parents, his mentors, his religion... So what now? He takes his own life , because he will never be what others expect him to be.. This is what will happen here. This place is unconstitutional and inhumane. It should be shut down. And its management charged for indagering the lifes of hopeless youths who need to be accepted. I think if God could comment here, he would say shame on you.. I love my children, why dont you???

      mlokotho1 - 2013-01-13 16:00

      no God love all of us including sinner thats why he died for all of us but he hates sin, we are not condemning gays but simply telling that God loves them but abhores homosexuality as a practice

      mlokotho1 - 2013-01-13 16:02

      homosexuality is lifestyle is not like skin colour so many peolpe have turned away from it while others have succumb to it,so dont compare aple to orange

      willie.schoeman.144 - 2013-01-13 17:03

      Please o Please tell me how homosexuality is a lifestyle ??? Being a vegetarian is a lifestyle, being Vegan is a lifestyle... Doing yoga is a lifestyle choice... how does homosexuality fit into that ? Being gay is who you are ... you might ass well then say the straight lifestyle choice.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-13 19:05

      "God love all of us including sinner" Then why did he make those people "sinners" in the first place? Is it some kind of joke to him?

  • nikki.horn - 2013-01-13 15:29

    I urge you to see that these are Christian extremists, and do not represent the heart of all Christians.

      mlokotho1 - 2013-01-13 16:08

      christian cannot decide what is write or wrong but Bible does ,there is nothing extreme about agreeing with the Bible and rejecting sin

      barry.mcbride - 2013-01-13 16:15

      @nikki.horn: Exactly, and one needs to remind such extremists that when anyone looks at and/or thinks about another person lustfully, he/she has already committed adultery in his/her heart.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-13 19:08

      Mlokotho, you seem to forget that your bible doesn't seem to have any problem with slavery. It does however have problems with piercings, tattoos, drunkenness, and premarital sex. I'm sure you haven't been guilty of any of these things, right?

  • Tiyani - 2013-01-13 15:33

    Hee banna, tell me this is a joke

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 16:15

      god should change - after all, he is man made.

  • Sibusiso - 2013-01-13 15:35

    I fully accept gays and lesbians as equals. They are human beings and they automatically qualify for ALL the human rights.Whilst it is true that the christian bible doesn't condone homosexuality ,it is however not the constitution of our country which clearly forbids discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. In other words ,the bible is irrelevant to this issue.What's relevant is whether or not homosexuals are human beings .Since they are ,then they should enjoy ALL their rights as human beings.

  • mmangaliso - 2013-01-13 15:35

    More gay people less children and we don't need more people thats why i support guy people

  • wim.vermeulen.31 - 2013-01-13 15:42

    It is not the Word of God that is questionable, but man's interpretation of it! Read 'A Letter to Louise' at

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 16:16

      The "word of god" is very questionable.

  • marietjie.meyburgh - 2013-01-13 15:43

    Bla bla bla if you don't like the place or what it stands for then just don't go study there. Some pple r so bored they're always looking for something new to complain about.

      willie.schoeman.144 - 2013-01-13 16:30

      No.. not blah blah blah... If the country starts to discreminate against white people.. Telling all white people that you know what .. if you cant be black .. then you are not welcome here... What will you say then ??? blah blah blah, if you dont like it then dont live here? Its about telling someone that they are not as good as another person in the eyes of God.. that what message these people are sending ... it not about studying there

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-13 18:03

      @willie - She is 22/23 - don't be that hard on her, mate...

      willie.schoeman.144 - 2013-01-13 18:32

      @Christof.. With all due respect.. how will she then ever learn if no one tells her she is wrong.

  • ZaneD - 2013-01-13 15:46

    The reality is that straight people don't choose to be straight. If a guy likes blonde women, he just does, its not a conscious decision. Similarly, if you are gay, that is the way you are. No one wakes up one morning and decides 'Ooh I'll be gay now!'... Sexuality should be treated like coffee. How do you drink your coffee? I drink mine black with one sugar. I didn't decide to, that's just how I like it.

  • williamjoseph.roberts - 2013-01-13 15:47

    What a lot of bulldust!

  • shaun.stanley2 - 2013-01-13 15:49

    What nonsense, but we shouldn't expect more from any of these anti-human religions.

  • akhona.qave - 2013-01-13 15:55

    thrz no such thng as that....that cn nvr happn god creatd homosexuality so it cant be cure..dnt lie to us people.

  • christo.cilliers - 2013-01-13 16:01

    how insensitive....

  • tobias.vanreenen - 2013-01-13 16:07

    Why do the media and liberals tend to target Christian institutions when they take a stand for what they believe in? You seem to be tolerant of all other religions except Christianity. I wonder why?

      Pulverturm - 2013-01-13 17:16

      Because what they are standing up for is wrong and unconstitutional. Imagine if this academy said you're not allowed to join as an Inter-racial couple and that they had to cure you of your lust for people of a different race before you could be enrolled. When what you believe in infringes on the rights of other people and their dignity, then I'm afraid you deserve to be in the cross hairs!

  • dawie.theron.5 - 2013-01-13 16:07

    Christians claim on the one hand that their god is the creator of all and that he makes no mistakes and that his will be done, but then they crucify, attack and sometimes murder/torture people who does not conform to their god's vision. Is this because the very fact that gays exist proof that god does not? That their god is not as in control as they claim. And that their god, if he exists, makes mistakes?

      willie.olivier.144 - 2013-01-13 16:41

      Dawie, I can assure you God does exists, and he personally gave Moses the ten commandments, and nowhere in the ten commandments, in no shape or form, it says you are not allowed to be gay!

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 16:50

      @ willie.olivier.144: "Dawie, I can assure you God does exists" And we should just believe you because you say so?

      dawie.theron.5 - 2013-01-13 17:01

      What we all need to realise here is that the mindset, the Zeitgeist if you will, of the world is changing, secularly. The religious' world is shrinking fast and I'm actually glad they post rubbish like this because we can use this type of stupidity against them. And if I look at the response on this forum alone, I'd say the majority of people have already formed part of the Zeitgeist.

  • sanele.mqadi.9 - 2013-01-13 16:10

    What a load of Crap!!! Geez ignorance of these people is staggering,pitty they can't cure their own stupidity

  • andrew.mostert.50 - 2013-01-13 16:11

    It's right next door to the cure for stupid, bigoted ass academy, which the teachers attend

  • The_Truth - 2013-01-13 16:13

    I was associated with this organisation for 3 years. Their Christian values are extremely questionable as far as to the students being controlled by their "leaders" in life choices. For nearly 3 years I was blinded by this fact until the day I trusted my "leader" with the information that I have feelings for men and not women. It was taken directly to Cornelius and I was not allowed to be alone (one on one) with any males from then on. I was made felt wrong as a person and had to bring them Bible verses to confirm my every move and action. It ended in me leaving the church and cutting ALL ties with the Creare circus. From then on, until now, I have never EVER trusted any "man of God" again, I have a grudge against all churches and I ended up overdosing on drugs since "there was something wrong with me". It took me 4 years to get to a point where I accept myself and to feel able to read the Bible or go to church again. I sincerely pray that no gay person will go there in the hope to be cured through Creare's efforts.

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 16:20

      @The_Truth: "It took me 4 years to get to a point where I accept myself and to feel able to read the Bible or go to church again." So, you still have no idea about the truth...

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-13 16:52

      @thetruth - have to agree with Gert. How anyone can support a system as anti-life as christianity is beyond me, even more so when you KNOWINGLY submit to a philosophy that is against the very essence of who you are.

      The_Truth - 2013-01-13 17:16

      @Gert_Swart: I was referring to accepting myself as a person, not accepting that lifestyle. When they tell you that you are wrong as a person and your fundamentals are not right, it messes up your entire life.

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 20:46

      @The_Truth: "I was referring to accepting myself as a person, not accepting that lifestyle. When they tell you that you are wrong as a person and your fundamentals are not right, it messes up your entire life." There is nothing wrong with you. Why would you go back to them and their make-believe hateful caracter they call god? Free yourself from their religious indoctrinated rubbish!

      The_Truth - 2013-01-13 21:18

      @Gert_Swart ... Never ever going back! I'm also not interested in anyone saying it is right or wrong. Whatever I do is MY choice, and I am living a good and healthy life without stress or nonsense and people judging me for things they believe is evil. I pity them, actually.

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 21:32

      @ The_Truth: " @Gert_Swart ... Never ever going back! I'm also not interested in anyone saying it is right or wrong. Whatever I do is MY choice, and I am living a good and healthy life without stress or nonsense and people judging me for things they believe is evil. I pity them, actually." Good for you, my friend!

      jutice.forall - 2013-01-14 01:14

      @The_Truth I may not know you but I am SO glad you are no longer associated. Take a look at this extract from their prospectus: "Any existing relationships or planned relationships between male & female Creare students will be submitted to Creare leadership." Relationships need to be submitted to leaderships? What the...? Screams "control freaks" *alarm bells* "According to the Statement of Faith in the Constitution of Creare training Centre, we believe in the principle of relationship fundamental to personal sexual orientation being founded on that of heterosexuality. Therefore any person wanting to pursue a lifestyle contrary and is not willing to be discipled in this regard, will not be permitted to continue further studies or lecture. We offer ministry to help people that want to change their sexual orientation A.E Homosexuality & Lesbianism to heterosexuality." This is surely basic discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and therefore unconstitutional, let alone blatant prejudice. Can this institution legally get away with this????? No, sorry...those two points quoted ring very loud warning bells - to everyone to be wary! With such personal aspects of one's life needing to be sanctioned by a leader..sounds like it has the makings of a cult.

      jutice.forall - 2013-01-14 02:32

      Besides...Jesus' invitation to everyone is simply to "come" and to follow him (it's entirely up to an individual to follow or not). There were no conditions. No "Oh but you'll have to have your relationships sanctioned". If God approved of that, I guess He would never have chosen Mary to carry Jesus in her womb. Imagine if Jesus said "Oh, if you are gay, best you change or don't bother me.", which he didn't. Do you think Jesus would have accepted the tax collector, a much despised person of the day, as a disciple? Truth is, Jesus placed no preconditions on his disciples. The same is the invitation to share in Holy Communion - the invitation to share in this is open to all. Truth is, all are welcome. So while this institution's requirements may be constitutionally dubious by way of discriminating, I also believe they go against the spirit and actions of Jesus for the same reason. Of course, the consequence of this discrimination is keeping the real nature, love and grace, offered to everyone, away from the discriminated - as though God's love and grace were some exclusive commodity by which to measure one's self worth, status or level of success.

  • chris.potgieter.73 - 2013-01-13 16:16

    Another minority religious group wanting to impose a lack of choice on citizens. These groups cause chaos all over the world with their thinking.

  • garygerber - 2013-01-13 16:23

    The PRACTICE of homosexuality IS sin. God says that - not me. Jesus provides a way out for ANYBODY - no matter what sin they are caught up in. Sex outside of a marriage situation between a man and a woman is sin for both the 'gay' and and the 'straight'. The practice of homosexuality is unnatural and not according to Gods design for humanity. See my blog to see that I do understand what I am talking about. Jesus DOES heal !

      willie.schoeman.144 - 2013-01-13 16:38

      I dont know where you get your info from dude.. But the act of homosexuality is more natural then you this.. all throughout the animal kindom it is practised.. as a matter of fact... only humans have an issue with it . And as for God saying that ... No he didnt, The bible said it not God. The Bible was writen bu normal people. Who make mistakes.. and whoile we are on the subject.. How does a vers in the Bible change from .. A man shall not lie with another man as he lies with a Woman .., to ... Homosexuality is a sin, considered to be a abomination by God. I am no language expert.. but its clear that one verse is as far from the other as night is from day. Did God come down and edit his book ? did he use backspace on his heavenly keyboard? I think not , The church changed it ? and is the Church God ???? i dont know , you tell me ? who do you pray to ?

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 16:52

      @garygerber - Jesus lived with men; Jesus never married a woman; Jesus did not have kids... Make you think, doesn't it.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-13 19:15

      Gary, that's the whole problem. The bible is an evil fairy-tale. BTW, a woman speaking up in church is a sin as-well. (1 Tim 2:11-15)

      johan.m.vanheerden - 2013-01-13 23:29

      In the same breath we do not allow a man and a woman to have sex with one another outside the context of marriage, which defeats the stigma on gay people argument, it is simply the Word of God*, and if you do not hold to the Bible as the ultimate authority, as many do not, then we simply do not have common ground to argue on, but the fact remains, based on the humanistic society that humans have created, that is a persons right to choose if he wants to attend such a training centre and give his life to God completely and radically and to be transformed by the renewing of his mind. No one was forced to attend this training centre, and people should not be deprived of their right to want to be set free.

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-14 08:07

      So Gary you are basically a bisexual man who chose a specific sex based on your religious indoctrination. Any man who can have a sexual relationship with a woman (and I assume you have this with your wife) is NOT a gay person - but a bisexual person. Ask a hetero man if he can ever have sex with a man and you will get the same response that you would get from asking a gay man if he can have sex with a woman. Simple as that. I knew from before 5 that I was gay - and no I wasn't abused and had a perfectly good upbringing by loving parents. You seem to think all gay people are somehow damaged. This is clearly not the case.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2013-01-13 17:14

    Yoh, it's either they considering homosexual as a mental illness or a drug of some sort. This institution can't change a person's choice, people are gay by choice and no rehabilitation centre can change that.

  • mondli.botha - 2013-01-13 17:19

    This boy brought Bloem into disrepute n he must pay the price. I sentence to mental corrective rehabilitation under the auspices of Mr. Lol

  • Iramaleke - 2013-01-13 17:50

    Its strange how people engaged in pre-marital sex have the nerve to judge homosexuals using christianity as if God doesnt see pre-marital sex as a sin.

  • el.torro.509 - 2013-01-13 18:17

    I think rather work on a cure for stupidity

      tim123 - 2013-01-13 19:56

      But that's what they are doing?

  • catherine.l.vanzyl - 2013-01-13 18:29

    Before the advent of Christianity every culture practiced slavery and human sacrifice, sexual immorality. Slavery was eradicated due to the tireless efforts of Christians such a William Wilberforce and David Livingstone. The POSITIVE impact of Jesus Christ on the world cannot be overstated, from education to human rights spiritual and cultural revolution begun by Jesus Christ!!! JESUS CHRIST CHANGED THE WORLD...the scientific revolution, the irrefutable fact that Christianity gave birth to modern science. education for all, public or private religious or secular is a visible reminder of the religion of Jesus Christ and so is every college and university. the name university testifies to its Christian origin, University means ONE TRUTH. Rule of law, the bible particularly the Ten commandments laid the framework and legal foundation of the Western civilization. Transforming society, Christianity has been the most powerful agent in transforming society for the betterment across 2000 years, No other religion, philosophy, teaching, nation or movement has changed the world for the better as Christianity has done. the bible is the greatest book ever written, Jesus Christ is the greatest man who ever lived Wise men still seek him, and kings bow down before him.

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-13 18:42

      Colourmein is suffering from verbal diarrhea...

      el.torro.509 - 2013-01-13 18:43

      Forgive me but christianity wasvalso used to justify slavery and apartheid as well as the burning of witches and non believers and of course the inquisition. Maybe we should just rather live and let live hey

  • jmatebane - 2013-01-13 18:35

    in 2013 seriously... I thought humanity had advanced...

  • zxvbb12 - 2013-01-13 18:46

    Is the academy white or black?

      willie.schoeman.144 - 2013-01-13 18:53

      White. A christian group going around to schools and singing songs and holding hands.. O and they dance too and the guys wear stage makeup, because they do informative plays ... like musicals And they travel to Europe... And then they try and tell other people not to be gay ...... I dont want to be rude or anything. but if i see a guy.. singing and dancing and playing the guitar.. and traveling to Europe.. with his other singing and dancing, makeup wearing, musical actors ..... I think ... THAT DUDE IS SOOOO GAY

      el.torro.509 - 2013-01-13 18:56

      Does it matter?

  • jefflcoe - 2013-01-13 19:02

    Having been a part of the ex-gay movement for some time (no longer) their cure is dealing with behavior not orientation. Because these kids believe that being gay is morally wrong and against the will of God they abstain from any form of sexual contact with another. They probably as well have someone or a group to go to that let's them talk about their same sex feelings and thoughts and receive prayer. In and of itself is not wrong or bad and having a place to share deep things is actually good for all of us. But this Academy knows and the kids know that they still have same sex longings and feelings. Now I do know men and women who have gone this route and are quite happy and well adjusted. But for me I knew that deep inside I was gay and no longer wanted to deny those thoughts and feelings plus I wanted to be able to love another. The issue is behavior vs orientation and one can stop the behavior but almost everyone I have ever known that has gone this way the orientation or the thoughts and feelings persist throughout their lives.

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-13 19:13

      I agree with you and we all know what happens when emotions & feelings are repressed, right?

  • justin.b.whittaker - 2013-01-13 19:08

    well that is if he actually existed

  • rob.tubbs.39 - 2013-01-13 19:09

    Money making 'gimmick'... If you are 'gay' you are 'gay'. End of chapter.

  • Donald.rodrigues.matlala - 2013-01-13 19:18

    Lol No Homo

  • Erna - 2013-01-13 19:28

    Lots of useless praying going to happen!

  • patrick.gary.foster - 2013-01-13 19:39

    I have known several gay people who actually wanted to be straight, and what was interesting was that they didn't know what to do. All of them lived in fear and with serious insecurities - and that never helps. I'm glad that there are people out there who are willing to create safe environments for them to be restored in a healthy way without the discrimination and damage done to them emotionally or even physically. What happened to the human rights of Christians that want to be heterosexual but are living homosexually? Don't they deserve the right to have a place to change?

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2013-01-13 19:48

      The only reason gays want to be straight, is because there are homophobic bigots bothering them or guilt-tripping them into "changing". These camps don't "cure" homosexuality. They emotionally blackmail and brainwash gays into hating themselves.

      christoffvstaden - 2013-01-13 20:06

      By all the bad publicity your employers are receiving I can see how you guys are "restoring" people in a healthy way and not harming them emotionally! jesus, if only there was a cure for stupidity!

      gert_swart - 2013-01-13 20:42

      @ patrick.gary.foster: "I have known several gay people who actually wanted to be straight," BS!

      phoenix.px.5 - 2013-01-14 08:15

      Did it ever occur to you that gay men who manage to live with woman are actually bisexual? You do realise that psychiatry believes that attempting to change the sexual orientation of a human is likely to result in damage to that person?

  • gert.schoeman - 2013-01-13 19:46

    Think 'Christians' can take the focus off of homosexuality. Focus on Christ and His love and support and encourage one another in love, no matter what lifestyle.. Think everyone always tries to win an argument abusing the Word to fit their proud assumptions , instead of winning the heart of people.

      Arno Meyer - 2013-01-13 22:54

      I agree that the Focus must be on Jesus Christ but if we really love Him we will obey His teachings, our lifestyle should be to reflect Christ to others through love and i can only see love in this Academy with a Focus on Gods word the only truth.