Advocate's son convicted

2012-11-08 10:37

Johannesburg - The 21-year-old son of a National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) advocate has been found guilty of culpable homicide and driving under the influence by a Pretoria court, it was reported on Thursday.

Gunter Geyer pleaded guilty to the charges during an appearance in the Hatfield District Court on Wednesday, Beeld reported.

He hit Louis Willem Andries Nel, 64, a bonsai expert and the managing director of the pharmaceutical company Brunel, and his jogging partner in Lynnwood Road, Pretoria, on the morning of April 20 2011.

Nel died at the scene, his friend was injured. Geyer was arrested at the scene.

He is the son of NPA acting head, advocate Karen van Rensburg.

Beeld reported that sentencing proceedings would start in January.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-08 10:43

    Bloody savage

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-11-08 11:11

      Sorry Daniel, but there's NOTHING negligent about driving under the influence. It's wilful. Klaargef*kkenpraatfontein!

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 11:20

      BrainCandy I have 3 law degrees including a masters and twenty three years of practice as an Advocate so I cannot think like a lay person, it is just so....sorry.

      Onke Tshaka - 2012-11-08 11:28

      there's a lot of hypocritical comments in this site, jub jub was convicted of the same problem and called a savage, where's the difference because this oke was under the influence as well. Daniel, don't be dush

      donald.perumal - 2012-11-08 11:34

      @ DanielDennett What a waste your three law degrees and twenty three years of experience!With all the messages about drunk driving and our experience in SA about these accidents,it simlply cannot be negligent!It is clear that negligence means " not to pick up something" in this case the the message about drunk driving couldn'y have escaped this individual,if it is assumed it has then the National Dept responsible for the message going out should answer to the court.Far too often the SA Justice System "does not apply a holistic approach" to justice. Just like you they focus on the assumption that best favours the individual.As I said what a waste of your formal education!

      dracolusus - 2012-11-08 11:36


      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 11:39

      Onke you have to look at the facts of each case to reach a determination and I didn't ever refer to him as a savage as many did, my interest is the legal side

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 11:42

      Onke more particularly, if your mind is impaired to the extent that you cannot be found to be capable of forming intent then you will be found guilty of culp which can carry as heavy a sentence as murder

      claudia.meads - 2012-11-08 11:48

      Indeed Molemo Maarohanye suffered the same fate. B_U_T justice is not as universal - in SA - as you are trying to suggest.., The politically connected in SA are a 'law on their own' - eg When that evil witch (viz the violent murderess and fraudster - Winnie Madikizela Mandela) brazenly breaks the law - speeding at absurd speeds (speedsters regularly making the headlines + the severe consequences) then the police receive the criminal charge..! When the sex-crazed goon that parades as the (now) president of the country, refused to appear at the TRC hearings to answer to murder, noting happened. His "rape" case was the most hideous joke on earth. Fraught with technical red-herrings + halfway through, the said goon suddenly could not speak English, so the rest of the hearing had to proceed through interpreters... Shabir Shaik gets jailed for a fraudulent relationship with Zuma - but NOTHING happens to Zuma..! How in the name of sanity is it possible to have a fraudulent relationship with another person ON YOUR OWN..???? Needless to say - shortly after being sent to jail, Schaik develops a terminal illness so deadly, he has to be released from jail immediately so he can recover on the golf course...

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 11:50

      Donald I have lived a good life with my three wasted degrees and have earned the respect of my peers, insulting me doesn't affect any principles of law, by the way what are your legal qualifications?

      Onke Tshaka - 2012-11-08 11:50

      @draculusus, thanks for the auto correct...@Daniel...i really couldn't care less how these law terms work, all i know if that they were both under the influence and killed innocent people because of their irresponsibility and therefore should all rot in hell

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 11:53

      Furthermore Donald I support zero alcohol in the blood for drivers not 0.5 or whatever the the legal limit is presently. I don't drink and don't support any driving with any substance in the blood so no need for the degrading insults ok

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 12:07

      Onke you may not care what these law terms mean but I understand them and that's why I can give an informed view as to how they are applied, what more can I do?

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 12:29

      Claudia Meads who is your diatribe aimed at?

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-11-08 17:17

      @ Daniel - thanks for the explanation. Thought it seemed a little out of character for the little I've seen of you.

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-08 11:04

    Why not murder? Intent by being under influence. The law must be applied across the board. That 16yr old that stole grannies car and killed 2 kids intent was stealing car = murder.

      michelle.h.koekemoer - 2012-11-08 11:20

      JubJub got charged with murder... what is the difference Daniel? That is what I assume Kenpeg is meaning. One law for all!

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 11:26

      They used the principle of dolus eventualis to convict Jub Jub very different to the regular type of negligence because dolus eventualis is a form of legal intent which is required to convict on a murder charge.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 11:36

      The taxi driver Humphries who wiped all those kids out at the railway crossing was also convicted using dolus eventualis which resulted in his conviction.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 12:37

      Lol Kevin I cant because I have to be instructed by an attorney and paid by the attorney, however I would be happy if you gave the equivalent amount to a worthy charity...that would make me happy

  • ray.molekoa.5 - 2012-11-08 11:08

    Aha , let's see . Die kleinbaas will get sentenced in januarie and is he on bail or behind the slammer like Jub Jub ? Come on you hypocrites why are you quiet , is this one embarrassing to you ? Not that I care about Jub Jub but you two face-mentality attitude sucks ! I hope you shut up forever for peace' sake !

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-11-08 11:40

      Guys did anyone in fact support Judge MoTata 'machance? I thought the bugger was fighting as a lone ranger

  • laurens.smit.507 - 2012-11-08 11:08

    This so reminds me of the JUB JUB Maroohanye case. At least they were both found guilty and should both be punished for their actions.

      liz.rudy.3 - 2012-11-08 11:34

      Why does it remind you of the Jub Jub case Laurens? Did he try blame someone else? Did he say he cant remember? Did he question state evidence or question witnesses against him or say that the state and witnesses lied? Did he say the police lied about the test results? Did he try and hide behind his Mother's position? To ALL of these questions the answer is NO. He took responsibility for his actions and plead guilty. HUGE difference between him and Jub Jub. He was also not drag racing at the time. Please get your facts straight before opening your mouth about things you clearly now NOTHING about

      laurens.smit.507 - 2012-11-08 11:49

      Let me refresh your short memory. They were both under the influence of alcohol while driving a vehicle on a public road and they both killed pedestrians while under the influence and if that is not enough to make a comparison then nothing is.

  • liz.rudy.3 - 2012-11-08 11:13

    Little chip on your shoulder ray.molekoa.5? Why refer to him as kleinbaas? I personally know this young man and what he did was wrong and he will be paying the price for it. Atleast he had the balls to take responsibility for his actions by pleading guilty, unlike Jub Jub and Co who did all they could to avoid taking responsibility for their actions and who dragged out court proceedings for years.

      laurens.smit.507 - 2012-11-08 12:17

      Liz I am almost 100% sure his mother gave him the sound advise to plead guilty. It is senseless to try and fight something you cannot win. In most cases it carries more weight if you accept that you had done something wrong and show remorse for what you have done. It is obvious that you are emotionaly involved in this case.

      Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-11-08 14:07

      Well said Liz.

  • beverly.young3 - 2012-11-08 11:31

    I feel so sorry for the person who died, the one hurt, and really, for the parents of this guy. My WORST nigthmare that one of my children do know what I mean. Oh many lives ruined now.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-08 12:31

      I agree so true!

  • wackidmaledu - 2012-11-08 11:37

    isnt ths murder??

  • siphobongohead - 2012-11-08 11:38

    He did the honourable thing and pleaded guilty. If he was a darkie he would have lied all the time.

  • thabojames.mohanoe - 2012-11-08 11:58

    y nt murder like dey did 2 jubjub n his friend

  • liz.rudy.3 - 2012-11-08 12:06

    @ Laurens - there is absolutely nothing wrong my memory, perhaps the problem lies with you? Did I say he did not do it? Did I say he was not under the influence? Did he say that for the matter? NO. Maybe you should go back to basic eduaction and learn to read and comprehend. The difference between him and Jub Jub is that he took responsibility for his actions immediately. He did not try and "jimmy" the system. What he did was wrong and he will be paying the price for it, he did not try and hide from the facts, nor did he try and make excuses. At least by pleading guilty straight away he has at least given a measure of closure to the family without further adding to their misery misery by extending court proceedings for years, like Jub Jub and Co. Have you ever driven under the influence? It was a tragic accident, yes, it could have been avoided had he not been drinking, but it could just as easily have been you, or someone else you know, that this could have happened to.

      laurens.smit.507 - 2012-11-08 13:34

      Perhaps you should not allow your emotions to get the better of you. Nothing you say or do or for that matter him pleading guilty can justify the fact that he should not have driven under the influence. Pleading guilty does not right a wrong.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-11-08 14:09

    Tune them Liz,the agents lie like their feet pong.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-11-08 14:12

    Tienie gee hom gas for he has tunnel vision and tunnel mind.

  • Msika - 2012-11-08 16:05

    Papa wag vir hom!

  • Catherine - 2012-11-12 12:15

    Yes prison's doors are standing open for everybody. Even the Judge that thinks he knows it all. " The judge will be judged"

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