Afrikaners hit by 'Malemaphobia'

2011-04-19 22:15

Johannesburg - The ANC is not protecting its youth league president Julius Malema, secretary-general Gwede Mantashe told the Equality Court on Tuesday.

"We are not protecting Mr Malema," he said during cross-examination at the hate speech trial against Malema taking place in Johannesburg.

Mantashe said while Malema was the president of the ANC Youth League, he was disciplined when needed.

"Everybody in the ANC gets disciplined...if you step out of line," he said to questions asked by counsel for farmers organisation, TAU-SA, Roelof du Plessis.

Afrikaner interest group AfriForum has taken Malema to court, contending that his singing of the struggle song "awudubhule ibhunu", or "shoot the boer", constitutes hate speech.

Mantashe said Malema, in his controversial statements, was merely trying to have the ANC back in power in the Western Cape.

Hate them with a passion

Mantashe also told the court that "Malemaphobia" had hit many Afrikaner organisations. He said he coined the term "Malemaphobia", after an outreach program for Afrikaners was established by the ANC.

Through interaction with Afrikaners when visiting farms, Mantashe said he noted that most of them had an "irritation by Malema".

The song in question also needed to be protected as it was part of heritage, and future generations would "be angry" if it was not, he said under his first cross-examination by counsel for AfriForum, Martin Brassey.

"It's about protecting a history and heritage," he said adding that the song did not belong to Malema, but to the movement.

Brassey said "Malemaphobia" may be seen to be caused because Malema was a controversial figure, who embodied a particular set of ideas.

He added that Afrikaners also had a keen sense of what it was to be oppressed and AfriForum had no desire to burn songs or trample on history.

"Whites become frightened because they are the minority," he said citing examples of placards held by supporters outside court saying: "F the Boers, I hate them with a passion".

Mantashe said he refused to believe, as suggested by Brassey, that people were ignorant of the struggle as to not know what was happening around them. The intention of the song was to inspire and mobilise people.

Mantashe added that liberation songs also had no copyright, and because of this any other liberation movement [such as the PAC] could sing it too.

Both the ANC and Malema are respondents in the case.

Right to act like a youth

Mantashe is amongst high ranking ANC members who gave testimony.

Poet and ANC veteran Wally Serote, and Science and Technology deputy minister Derek Hanekom, also previously testified.

Minister in the Presidency, Collins Chabane, if necessary, and Malema will also take the stand on Thursday.

Serote previously told the court the victims of apartheid had sought noble ways of healing the country.

He said if Malema were to get out of hand, the "elders" of the ANC would sit him down and talk to him, but Malema had a right to act like a youth, because he was a youth.

Serote agreed with the view, expressed in court by Hanekom last week, that a "national dialogue" on the matter was needed.

Serote also believed the song was not linked to any farm killings.

We will suffer from nightmares

Meanwhile, the court heard from Du Plessis on Tuesday, that a big screen erected outside the court - allowing supporters to watch the trial - may stop him from coming to court on Wednesday.

Du Plessis did not want to state why he would not come to court. However, media reports indicate that Du Plessis and his family had received threatens since the start of the case.

Malema also urged his supporters outside court to continue campaigning for the ANC.

"We must get into three, four, five houses... six, seven flats here, campaigning for the ANC," Malema said.

He said supporters must make sure that the ANC won the election, adding that the court case against him was "just keeping us busy", while "others are stealing the votes".

Malema was confident and said there was no doubt that the ANC had the Western Cape "in the pocket".

Supporters were also asked to make sure that the ANC carried on ruling Johannesburg.

"I can't imagine Johannesburg not ruled by ANC. We will suffer from nightmares," he said to a cheering crowd, some of them dressed in ANC regalia.

Malema, making reference to Du Plessis, said: "We have no reason to be scared of one another... The police, the marshals must work together to maintain discipline.

"Nobody must say they are didn't come here to be disruptive."

Must not be provoked

ANC stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela has been at Malema's side since the start of the case.

She will not testify, but on Monday told supporters outside that the court was illiterate. Madikizela-Mandela on Tuesday sought to clarify these comments outside court.

"I wasn't talking about the proud judiciary," she told spectators.

"I meant we are coming to educate these people who have brought us here." She also accused the print media of painting both Malema and her as racists.

"We must not let the media provoke us. We are here experiencing the test for transformation," she said.

  • Kristi10 - 2011-04-19 22:27

    Malemaphobia? No ... black racistphobia!

      Felix - 2011-04-19 23:21

      White genocidophobia, I think phobia refers to a irrational fear. If I am correct then this is not a phobia at all, we have had one man shot (who later died of the wound) and an elderly lady hit in the face with a panga (currently in the hospital) in the last three weeks... In Town! Nothing was taken in either case. The hate swarm has begun, be vigilant decent people of all races. The war is upon us.

      Win14 - 2011-04-19 23:27

      No, Zumalemaphobia. Or Zumantashalemaphobia. Or Zumonthlashalemaphobia. All a lot of coconuts but not willing to admit it.

      Snoek - 2011-04-19 23:35

      or Xenophobia

      John Wilderness - 2011-04-20 02:45

      @Kristi So it is only black racists that you have a phobia for ? What about white racists ? or indian and coloured racists for that matter ?

      HA B - 2011-04-20 05:14

      You hit it on the nail Kristi10 !Julia Malema DONT like whites. We dont have an "irritation" for Malema as Gwede mentions..............WE DONT LIKE HIM SIR.....PERIOD.He is the worm in the woodwork.

      Simpiwe Cele - 2011-04-20 05:24

      Nightmares if the ANC loose vote in Gauteng huh ? , exactly what we are having right now ....bloody nightmares......wake up people , this NEW ANC with its so called leaders are a bunch of money thieving incompetent idiots. Dont let them take you down a blind ally , they have done that for 5 years and we should reward them with another 5 years of rule ?? SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGE VOTE THESE FOOLS OUT !! Viva change Viva

      paulf - 2011-04-20 05:38

      This guy iws a real When he opens his mouth he talks the biggest heap of S..T. Worst of all the masses believe every word he spews.

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-20 06:25

      Mantashe is SORELY MISTAKEN when he claims the age of 30 is a YOUTH. Mantashe is even MORE SORELY & SADLY MISTAKEN, when he tries to claim a war chant of death against a previous SPECIFIC FOE is not HATE SPEECH - because it is pure unadulterated HATE SPEECH in intent and INCITES THE LESSER EDUCATED (nearly all SA) to provoked senseless racist violence. As a claimed leadership position, Mantashe is sorely LACKING to not understand his role AND PROVOKE THE NATION in such a wrong direction.

      Saamprater - 2011-04-20 06:44

      Kristi, the things that Malema do that chesses the average educated black, and the average white is by putting Stalinist/Idi Amin/Hitler type racist rhetoric and teachings in place, and we all know where that leads us don't we, or don't you care? If you don't care I suggest you better starts getting worried, because this thing will swallow everyone, not only the whites.

      Rolie - 2011-04-20 08:24


      The realist - 2011-04-20 08:29

      @John wilderness Well, you dont hear the whites, coloured or the indians signing about killing someone else huh?

      Educated - 2011-04-20 08:50

      Sorry John Wilderness but once again your comment makes no sense. "So it is only black racists that you have a phobia for ? What about white racists ? or indian and coloured racists for that matter ?". Why would a white person fear a white racist or a black person fear a black racist? You should think a little before you start excercising your fingers.

      Janine - 2011-04-20 09:04

      @ozymandios - please do not speak for me. I am white and have no problem with people of colour. People like you, on the other hand, I do have a problem with. Sweeping generalisations are not a well thought out argument.

      Kristi10 - 2011-04-20 09:21

      @John Wilderness - I am scared of any racist person or any person that sings songs about killing other people (Rwanda comes to mind) Every black person gets upset and feel intimidated by the song De la Rey when it is not even about blacks people but about Afrikaners and the war etc. which is also part of history yet we must tolerate a song about killing whites and the total hatefull speach being uttered by a clear black racist by the name of Malema. I have never heard an Idian/coloured/white person singing about killing black people.

  • Francois - 2011-04-19 22:31

    "We are not protecting Mr Malema,", "Mantashe said while Malema was the president of the ANC Youth League, he was disciplined when needed". Ok now why are you then sending ANC bigwigs to court to testify in his defence, and why has he still not paid the fines as handed down to him by the courts. If the ANc still has any grain of credibility left on them, they will see to it that he defends himself and pays the penalties that was handed down to him.

      str talker - 2011-04-19 22:55

      ANC bigwings are nt in court to defend Malema, they are ther to defend the ANC

      Together - 2011-04-19 23:50

      Mr Mantashe, either you are saying that all his utterances are sanctioned by ANC leadership, or you are saying that the discipline has no effect. If he is chastised, he says sorry and then repeats the same statement. It doesn't look like anyone in leadership is telling him anything. That's the reason SA is reacting this way - if leadership cannot control one part of it's organisation, how can it manage an entire country? Every time Malema crosses a line and gets away with it, the leadership are sending SA this message: Anyone who shouts and threatens loud enough is beyond our control - and that means everything from tyrants to criminals. The bottomline: we cannot protect you from anyone who would like to trash the constitution. SA is getting the message loud and clear.

      KPA - 2011-04-20 07:24

      @lekomonisi - Dude, you talk about others as racist, have you read your posts. It is people like you who are wishing for a revolution and get it, then you wonder why the 4 colored flag is hanging again.

      BTRX - 2011-04-20 07:40

      lekomonisi The only thing the blacks got working for them is their numbers. Without (with it-live in poverty)) they are nothing. So you can glout now, but wait in a few years u will be nothing when your wonderful ANC run this country into the dumps.

      Jacques Jones - 2011-04-20 07:50

      @Leko remember one thing, it is these same boertjies and english speaking whites you have a problem with that freed your sorry black a$$ in the first place when they voted for a free country. you are living under an illusion created by your masters at the anc who have instilled a culture of entitlement over a culture of work for what you want. you just want everything handed to you although you dont have the slightest idea of what to do with it other that getting a big fancy car and being all blinged out. if you actually work for something for a change you would very very fast realize what the anc actually does and that is running this country into the ground and furthering the racial devide. Mr Mandela showed us what this country could be but idiots like you and the new anc has taken a dump on his dream and wiped your a$$e$ with his ideals

      JR - 2011-04-20 07:59

      lekomonisi -you have just confirmed the belief that the word BOER refer to the white afrikaner. So the ANC can stop saying that the word BOER refer to the system ext, as stated in the court.

      ruadrauflessa - 2011-04-20 08:04

      @lekomonisi - Do you even know the meaning behind the word Revolution ? Apparently you don't since you use the term so loosely. Your cadre Malema does not appear to know either since he makes the same mistake you just made. So allow me to educate you and mister Malema. A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time. Its use to refer to political change dates from the scientific revolution occasioned by Copernicus' famous De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium. Now you will note that your cadres are in power so what you are actually saying is you are waiting for the day you will launch a revolution to dislodge your cANCer buddies from having political control over our beautiful country. So by all means... literally do what you are saying and please destroy your hold ideals because we don't want your racist views... We want everyone in the country to have equal rights. Also you say that I who is currently 27 years old and holds no grudge against anyone in this country and had absolutely nothing to do with apartheid owe you something in return.... I don't know where you get your warmongering from but please for the sake of everyone and yourself just stop. stop. stop. stop. stop.

      ruadrauflessa - 2011-04-20 08:06

      PS: I am not afraid of Malema. Let him come to my house. Let us sit around a table and discuss his point of view. There is nothing to fear from one man. That which we have to fear is the uneducated masses who find it arduous to think for themselves. The point of this whole court case is that things like these thinks for people who are not willing to think for themselves.

      noremac - 2011-04-20 08:58

      There is nothing to fear but ignorance itself.Leko buddy.You are ignorant.Fear yourself and your own people.

      DW - 2011-04-20 09:02

      @lekomonisi - "one day the people of Alexandra with jump across highway into Sandton" - so you cant work for your own wealth, set up your own companies and make money by entrepeneurship and sheer hard work. You have to "jump across the highway" and take what others have worked for by force. I sincerely hope that, in your jump, you also aim for the many, many black people who now live in Sandton who have made millions by tenderpreneurship and corruption. They are more guilty than any white man of undermining the wealth opportunities made available to previously disadvantaged people. I hope you recognise this, or is it easier to target someone based on his skin colour?

      KnysnaSha - 2011-04-20 11:35

      @lekomonisi and when those people from Alex jump over the highway they will see many of their own colour living in those big houses in Sandton. I lived in Sandton (in a small flat mind you) and there are so many wealthy black and asians living there now driving Mercs and BMW's.

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 13:22

      @str talker - keep lying to yourself if it lets you sleep better at night.

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 13:27

      @lekomonisi - We feel as though you owe us something? Are you drunk? Your threatening violence and general racist comments tell us where you are coming from. You are just another racist with a 'gimme' attitude. You will eventually get your 'Malema' type president, I am sure, and then South Africa will get it's bloody civil war. All of the level headed leaders in this country are no longer in power, only the extremists. Congratulations, you are a racist just like the kind in apartheid that oppressed the people of this country, you have become what you hate, proud? id10t!

      RiRo1 - 2011-04-20 14:01

      @lekomonisi What makes Francois's statement rascist? He is just asking why Mantashe is being indifferent? That they are digging their own holes by acting the way they do... that is the message I got... Nothing about race... Everytime a white person gives their opinion, they are rascists? WTF??? It's that kind of attitude that will help this country fall... I think it's a very good question? Don't the rules apply to Malema, lekomonisi?

  • william.botha - 2011-04-19 22:37

    Ah, Malemaphobia, so what is "shoot the boer"? Boerephobia? See both sides of the story.

      Blaq - 2011-04-20 07:18

      Well its really quite a sad story for South Africa that in this day and age we still talking racism, we should no better. Im not taking anyone side but while we are pointing out fingers to people it appears to me that racism its among urselfs if all the comments u people wrote here are anything to go by. If blacks are the worst type you make them to be, what makes you people saints. Let me spell it up to u, bieng bitter n racists towards one another really doesnt do u any good.Put a blame on someone, what are you doing salvage the situation, did u register to vote? you should b talking shit. so please plp knock some sense on ur thick racist heads

      gizzy - 2011-04-20 07:34

      Blaq, there you go again. Spouting absolute rubbish. Because we don't like Malema or the ANC does not make us racist. We don't dislike (no hate) them because they are black, we hate them because they are lying, thiveing, arrrogant idiots that do nothing to unify the country. We hate them because they flaunt their ill gotten wealth and thumb their noses at the poor. For you to accuse people of being racist for that makes you the biggest racist.

      william.botha - 2011-04-20 07:41

      Blaq your are clueless, get educated.

      william.botha - 2011-04-20 08:10

      My focus Blaq is on collaboration. In other parts of the world people of all races and colors collaborate to achieve great things. Having revolutionary agendas is counter productive. If you and I work together, we can move forward. There is no racial undertone in what i wrote, the fact is that you and many others like you do not evaluate what others say, or you just plainly don't understand it. If a white man opens his mouth you label it as racism. Malema is pugnacious, a troublemaker. He paints his own label and opens a window into his persona by his utterances and his deeds. He is a user and not a leader. What has he done for you that is constructive? Please answer that for me.

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-20 09:56

      i swear blaq is actually siphothegeneral, damn u guys just keep coming with the clever comments!!!

  • william.botha - 2011-04-19 22:40

    Malemaphobia = Boerephobia

  • Dal68 - 2011-04-19 22:42

    Little Hitler being protected by his older brothers and sisters......let's see him bite them on the heel soon......

  • wilbureddings - 2011-04-19 22:43

    mm.. lemme see: A dude with massive influence over hundreds of thousands of disgruntled minimum wage and unemployed people thinks it's ok to sing songs that direct aforementioned frustration at a specific demographic (White Afrikaners). yeah.. I've got Malemaphobia. Soon our choices are gonna be leave the country or solve the phobia.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-04-19 22:44

    I think malema has Boerephobia. That is why he is always shouting about the Boer and hides behind a horde of thugs carrying machine guns. I don't think anyone is scared of malema face to face. It's the hatred he spews that so disgusts us.

      chopie - 2011-04-20 11:20


  • Jo - 2011-04-19 22:47

    How can you still be considered a youth at his age?

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-19 22:52

      malema is a youthemism for a thug.

      Fanie - 2011-04-19 23:38

      Thank you...the man is nearly middle aged

      Deric Slabberts - 2011-04-20 00:37

      Because he has the IQ of a 7yr old.

      barkers - 2011-04-20 08:33


      Shistirrer - 2011-04-20 09:44

      It's because he is inkwenkwe (uncircumcised). I believe they tried to circumcise him, but they couldn't. There's no end to that prick.

      chopie - 2011-04-20 11:21

      because he has the intellect of a 12 year old

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 13:36

      @chopie, don't be silly, my 12 year old makes Malema look like a mentally challenged stick.

      63Starlight - 2011-04-20 14:00

      Because he has the mind of a child. ;-)

      SaintBruce - 2011-04-20 14:15

      In the Jewish culture a boy becomes a man at age 13 as he can produce seed and impregnate a woman! Needs to understand the role of a man at this age. The other age is 30 years old to qualify for inheritance in the old laws but I doubt anyone over 30 could be called a 'youth'. I think Contiki Tours have a 'youth' limit around 25 - 30 ? How old is the ANC "jester" these days? The key to this case - song ruled against by a judge, Mr "idiot" sand said song - broke the law , take the penalty = end of case. THEN yak as much as you like about what IT is or could be or might be but I have a simple view - if it offends 1 person ( or group) it does not meet reconciliatiuon criteria and must be consigned to a museum as a part of "ancient ANC History" ! That's my opinion.

  • Karoobloed - 2011-04-19 22:54

    Malema brings it upon himself by never failing to be extremely inflammatory to non-township dwellers, while his position requires the opposite - that is to be a leadership figure for all RSA citizens.

      SaintBruce - 2011-04-20 14:20

      The only points malema represents regartding leadership are: 1) Flaunt wealth = ANC qualification ( he is not a CADRE) 2) Be 'irritational' , not motivational to spearhead some kind of 'revolution' against....current rule? Weird - is Malema FOR the ANC or AGAINST the ANC ? ...does he even know?

  • 7thFloor - 2011-04-19 22:55

    Oh my goodness why is this even news. Wise up people all forms of media is trying to distract the pulic away from the serious politics.

      Snoek - 2011-04-19 23:40

      This is serious politics. If the deputy president openly defends a racist, it's serious politics.

  • Macho Mike - 2011-04-19 22:55

    Keynote address by John Kane Berman, Chief Executive of the South African Institute of Race Relations, at the SwissCham Southern Africa luncheon, Johannesburg, March 10 2011:South Africa: Finding a Way Forward I will try to answer three questions this afternoon 1. Which way are we going? 2. Why? 3. Can we find a better way forward? Apart from racial policy, the institute I head has been documenting almost every aspect of South Africa since our foundation in 1929. It was inevitable then that when the ANC came to power in 1994, people asked us why South Africa should not become just another African disaster. I gave the usual list of advantages: a greater pool of skills, good infrastructure, a resilient private sector, our strong international economic linkages, a tradition of political pluralism, independent trade unions, a free press, and the vigour of our NGO sector. Since then the country has won golden opinions for macroeconomic policy management, reflected most recently in a heavily oversubscribed 30-year government bond. Despite this, we now learn almost daily of things that prompt the question once again: are we headed for the list of African failures. Recently an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease occurred because a vital border fence with Mozambique had been neglected. Such problems are not isolated. We have slipped further down global tables as a destination for mining investment, police behaviour seems to be increasingly lawless, maternal and infant mortality rates are rising, millions of schoolchildren have started another year without textbooks, and the country's commercial capital is run by people who are out of their depth. We also have much higher rates of youth unemployment than countries to the north that recently chased away their rulers. Specific problems aside, among the main reasons we are going wrong are the following: · Affirmative action, which has denuded the State of both skills and institutional memory · Labour laws which protect unionised workers at the expense of the jobless · The cadre deployment policy, making loyalty to the party a key criterion for appointment to offices of state, and · Use of a model of government which makes elected institutions more accountable to party headquarters than to voters. Apart from policies and practices, the problems confronting us arise in part from assumptions and attitudes that affect the policy environment. These include: · limited understanding of what entrepreneurship requires · ideological hostility towards business · poor appreciation of how markets work or even antipathy towards them the belief that the pockets of our small number of major taxpayers are bottomless, and · too much faith in the efficacy of the State, leading to more and more regulation To these harmful factors must be added others: · corruption said by the deputy president to be "worse than anyone imagines" · lawlessness on the part of the State · a love of the grandiose, such as new bullet trains to Durban while we can't fix commuter rail services · the callousness towards ordinary people found all too often in service departments, and · no accountability even for preventable deaths of mothers and babies in public hospitals Then there are two key problems in the way policy is made. · One is a habit of putting the cart before the horse - for example, embarking on ambitious education or health schemes without first fixing the basics such as training enough teachers and reversing the decline of public hospitals. · The second is failure to apply the lessons of admitted mistakes. To its credit, the Government has admitted the failings of outcomes-based education but the ANC nevertheless plans to forge ahead with a national health system without considering the State's capacity constraints. These various aspects of our problems show that we are facing not just a few wrong-headed policies, but a challenge arising from the very nature of the Government and how it runs the State. Most of them have a direct impact on business. Part of that challenge arises from the fact that the ANC is not a normal political party. When a party with a two-thirds majority in Parliament is still committed to a "national democratic revolution," we must ask what it is that they wish to stage a revolution against. The economic system? Probably. Democracy? Perhaps. The rule of law? Very likely. The Constitution? Possibly. The Press pays little attention to the national democratic revolution, but the ANC is committed to it. This is one of the risks we face. Another is that tougher affirmative action requirements lead to a drain from the country of the most skilled segment of the population. Yet another is that public spending gets out of control as the ANC promises more free things to more people and puts more of them on to the public payroll, including now members of Umkhonto we Sizwe. We might also see a more rigid labour market, destructive interventions in agriculture, attenuation of property rights, damage to private health care, more malfeasance with mining licences, further corruption of the criminal justice system, and more local governments collapsing. It is ironical that we are expanding our social security commitments at the very moment when rich countries are having to cut back. It is also ironical that we are seeking to extend controls of the labour market while Europeans are trying to make their labour markets more flexible. A further piece of irony is that we are lengthening the arm of the State at the very time when China and India are continuing to liberalise economically, when parts of Africa are liberalising, and when even Cuba is showing signs of liberalisation. I have painted some dark clouds and the challenge now is to find the silver linings. Like a contrarian investor, we must look for signs of change that may not be obvious. One of these is the very fact that the Europeans, the Chinese, the Indians, and the Cubans have been here before and are having to reverse thrust. The international context in which we make policy has changed. Africa is also having to pay more attention to good governance than in the past. Already, some African countries are more attractive as mining destinations than we are. If we don't look out, we may find that our lead as the most important economy in Africa is shrinking. Despite the ANC's close historical ties with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, it was unable in 1994 to follow a communist path because the USSR had in the meantime imploded. As welfare and dirigiste states elsewhere come under pressure, so will the ANC have to recognise that those role models are also unworkable. Despite this country's achievements since the advent of democracy in 1994, we are pursuing an unworkable political model. This model will have to be abandoned just as communism and apartheid had to be abandoned. How long this will take I do not know. The evolution of liberal democracy can be a slow and difficult business. But we need to find ways of helping the process along, while also trying to minimise the fearful human and economic damage that may be done in the interim. Among the reasons why apartheid disintegrated, two are relevant today. One is that its contradictions - notably the belief that you could run a modern economy without exploiting the skills of the whole population and granting them political rights - became unsustainable. The second reason was that, as the policy crumbled under the weight of critical scrutiny and its own contradictions, the ruling elite began to lose faith in it. Disillusionment spread from the Dutch reformed churches, to the Afrikaans Press, to academia, to business, to the ruling party, to the Cabinet, and not least to the Broederbond. This made Mr FW de Klerk's bold actions on 2nd February 1990 both necessary and possible. Parallels between the last 25 years of National Party rule and the first 15 years of ANC rule are becoming quite striking. The most obvious is on racial policy. The NP thought it could run a successful economy without fully exploiting the skills of the black population. The ANC thinks it can run a successful state without fully exploiting the skills of the white population. The evidence that this cannot be done is apparent all the time at all levels and in all branches of government. And it is beginning to cause instability at local level and hurt the party. Unfortunately, however, one of the parallels with our past is that failed policies are sometimes intensified rather than abandoned. This happened with the pass laws, for example, before PW Botha finally repealed them in 1986. It may also happen now with the Employment Equity Act, with its provisions for heavier fines to enforce racial quotas upon all employers - when the Government cannot even get Denel, or Eskom, or SAA, or Transnet to meet its racial targets at management or skilled levels. But there are other parallels. Just as the National Party steadily lost support among the intelligentsia, the same is happening with the ANC. Some black newspaper editors and journalists are at least as critical of the ANC as their white counterparts. In discussions with black business leaders over the past few months, my Institute has been struck how some of them have become very critical of the government - more so than most of their white counterparts. Moeletsi Mbeki probably speaks for more people than we think. Some of the squabbles in the ruling tripartite alliance are about spoils and patronage, but others are about policy. There are divisions over whether "decent" jobs should be placed above the need to generate more jobs. A growing minority is beginning to question the deployment policy. Others would like to have a professional civil service instead of one subject to ministerial whim. Racial policies are now also becoming a source of division, as we saw last week with Trevor Manuel's public attack on Jimmy Manyi. This spat is causing the ANC to tie itself into knots. When my Institute pointed out that forcing employers in the Western Cape to conform to the national racial breakdown would necessitate the (illegal) dismissal of thousands of coloured workers, President Jacob Zuma said companies would have flexibility to conform to national or regional demographics. This, however, is not what the proposed amendment to the Employment Equity Act says. Now the general secretary of the ANC, Mr Gwede Mantashe, has weighed in to the effect that national companies will have to use national demographics and provincially-based companies provincial demographics. This is the opposite of the flexibility of which Mr Zuma speaks. In November last year the minister of finance, Mr Pravin Gordhan, told an audience in London that economic empowerment policies designed to improve the standard of living of the black majority after 1994 had not worked. After all the employment equity, labour, and land reform legislation, not to mention hundreds of billions of Rands in BEE deals, this is quite an admission. In the short term it may lead to an intensification of failed policies, but in the long term these policies will have to be abandoned. The new constitution ushered in democracy in 1994. Ironically, however, the ANC's model of government - based on the Leninist idea of "democratic centralism" - in terms of which party headquarters dictates to local communities whom they must elect - is causing growing dissatisfaction at local level as the municipal election on 18th May approaches. Though many officials are hostile to white farmers, others recognise that no one else has the expertise to reverse the failures of land reform. Despite antipathy to the private sector, some of the ruling elite see a growing role for it in getting our ports working more efficiently, in electricity generation, in the rescue of local government, in AIDS testing, and in sorting out the problems of further education and training colleges. Indeed, as the failings of the State become more and more apparent, thanks in part to a critical media, more and more people in government will turn to the private sector for help. Even Cosatu wants private sector involvement to be mobilised when Postbank gets a banking licence. These inconsistencies will multiply as the ANC continues to pursue mutually contradictory policies. Promises of creating millions of new jobs are incompatible with key components of official policy, among them affirmative action, the deployment strategy, restrictions on immigration, tightening up the labour market, and adding to the regulatory burden on business. Eventually the contradictions will become unsustainable. Either some of these key policies will have to be jettisoned, or the quest for millions more jobs will fall by the wayside. In the meantime, what do we do? The first thing is to keep exposing the contradictions, so providing arguments for those in the ruling alliance who wish to see more realistic policies. Arguments for the liberalisation of our damaging labour laws need to be refined and intensified. The climate to do this is now more favourable than at any time since 1994. I suspect that affirmative action and cadre deployment policies have also done more damage to this country than most people care to admit. Can you really run a modern industrial state if you would rather leave posts in the public sector vacant than appoint whites to them? The major victims of this folly have been blacks rather than whites. The connection between these policies and lost growth and investment, high unemployment, shoddy RDP houses, inability to obtain social grants or medicines, preventable maternal and infant deaths, high crime rates, perilous roads, poisonous rivers, mismanagement of flooded dams, fraudulent passports and IDs, and a great many other problems needs to be repeatedly pointed out. The ANC's economic objectives simply cannot be achieved while everything is subordinate to racial ideology and the imperatives of the "national democratic revolution". This message needs to be hammered home without reservation or apology until a critical mass of opinion within the ruling alliance comes to recognise it. Secondly, it is necessary to stand firm in the defence of vital practices and institutions as they come under increasing threat, not only the rule of law but also academic freedom, independent civil society, a free Press, an independent legal profession and prosecution service, and independent courts. It is also necessary that organisations other than business come to the public defence of the free market system, private enterprise, and entrepreneurship. Not for a second should anyone in the ruling alliance be allowed to forget that the money the Government spends on education, health, housing, child support grants, and everything else - including its lengthening list of promises to its constituents - arises from taxes extracted from the private sector and private individuals. This is a point that needs much more emphasis than it gets. Business might wish to think of ways of getting the point across more strongly in public as well as to parliamentarians, civil servants, and other members of the ruling alliance. Thirdly, keep proposing alternatives to present policies. Business may not necessarily see a direct role for itself here, but it is nevertheless essential that alternatives be put forward. Here is my list of a dozen: 1. Cut back on the size of the State; 2. Put inspectors back into schools; 3. Systematically extend private education; 4. Radically redesign land reform; 5. Democratise Parliament; 6. Liberalise the labour market; 7. Make economic growth rather than redistribution the topmost priority; 8. Change our welfare state into one that promotes entrepreneurship; 9. Direct all state interventions at helping the poorest of the poor regardless of race; 10. Replace the deployment system with a professional civil service; 11. Increase our global competitiveness as a destination for foreign direct investment; 12. Repeal all racially discriminatory laws. Some of these may seem fanciful right now. However, given growing contradictions, policy failures, and paralysis in government, the climate is in fact auspicious. Detailed policy work on alternatives will of course be necessary. But the main point at this stage is to undertake a tenacious campaign to change ideas, preparing the soil, as it were, for new policies to be planted. This will be a long haul and a hard slog, so the sooner it is stepped up the better. The ruling party must be a prime target, both direct and indirect. Don't forget that ideas predate policies and that their power, for good or ill, should never be underestimated. It was after all, that great incendiary journalist and armchair revolutionary, Karl Marx, who produced some of the most powerful ideas in history. Despite their murderous consequences some of these ideas still have an iron grip in South Africa. They need constantly to be countered by the ideas that underpin liberal democracy. In particular, we need to keep on propagating the idea that the real alternative to apartheid is not another form of social engineering designed to promote an impossible equality of outcomes but an open society committed to equality before the law, political and economic freedom, corruption-free and proper democratic government, and rising living standards for all. Social and racial engineers failed in South Africa last time around, and they will fail this time too. That is cause not for despair but for eager anticipation.

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-19 23:02

      At least I found someone like minded, in the right place.

      Win14 - 2011-04-19 23:45

      This is too long-winded, mister, and you don't make any powerful points. Are you a professor or something, and how do you manage to stay awake whilst delivering lectures of this kind? Yawn .. and furthermore: whom are you telling all this analytical stuff to? For "them" it's a very clear-cut matter: they used to be our slaves, and then they were liberated and now they are our leaders. Come what may -- they will never vote for us. They'd rather never vote again.

      youcantrunyoucanthide - 2011-04-20 04:26

      Institute of Race Relations: An farcical organisation created with the purpose of providing a facade of non-racialism to the racist ANC government, which has become irrelevant in recent times as the ANC's racist ideologies are now being flaunted very openly.

      paulf - 2011-04-20 06:50

      This is an old article written by Moeletsi Mbeki (Thabo Mebekis brother) and it is so true:The ANC inherited a flawed, complex society it barely understood; its tinkerings with it are turning it into an explosive cocktail. The ANC leaders are like a group of children playing with a hand grenade. One day one of them will figure out how to pull out the pin and everyone will be killed. The former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, once commented that whoever thought that the ANC could rule SA was living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Why was Thatcher right? In the 16 years of ANC rule, all the symptoms of a government out of its depth have grown worse. • Life expectancy has declined from 65 years to 53 years since the ANC came to power; • In 2007, SA became a net food importer for the first time in its history; • The elimination of agricultural subsidies by the government led to the loss of 600000 farm workers’ jobs and the eviction from the commercial farming sector of about 2,4-million people between 1997 and 2007; and • The ANC stopped controlling the borders, leading to a flood of poor people into SA, which has led to conflicts between SA’s poor and foreign African migrants. What should the ANC have done, or be doing?The answer is quite straightforward. When they took control of the government in 1994, ANC leaders should have: identified what SA’s strengths were; identified what SA’s weaknesses were; and decided how to use the strengths to minimise and/or rectify the weaknesses.

  • Zakhele - 2011-04-19 22:55

    And this is All for a Youth League president- who is supposed to teach our kidS manners and work with those who have interests and passion to bring the youth through? All our kids who posses so much power to access information using modern technolgies are watching and saying basically All I need is join the ANC and I can do as I please and upset as many people as I want- Gwede Manthashe (even after insutling him previously) and the ANC will protect me because they are so scared not to loose our votes? On one hand the ANC says we must bury the past and on another hand their Youth League President is singing songs and opening wounds and we as parents must explain all this LOT from King Malema. Million dollar question: If your kid behaved like MALEMA in public and in front of your friends and his/her teachers would you be proud of your little child and say this child is future president- please you must all vote for him/her?

      Together - 2011-04-19 23:53

      I agree, Zakhele. My reply to this report: Mr Mantashe, either you are saying that all his utterances are sanctioned by ANC leadership, or you are saying that the discipline has no effect. If he is chastised, he says sorry and then repeats the same statement. It doesn't look like anyone in leadership is telling him anything. That's the reason SA is reacting this way - if leadership cannot control one part of it's organisation, how can it manage an entire country? Every time Malema crosses a line and gets away with it, the leadership are sending SA this message: Anyone who shouts and threatens loud enough is beyond our control - and that means everything from tyrants to criminals. The bottomline: we cannot protect you from anyone who would like to trash the constitution. SA is getting the message loud and clear.

      Weso - 2011-04-20 07:32

      And what would you be doing Zakhele while youth president teach your kids. We might as well ban all struggle songs because most of them will be concidered hate speech. Most organisation or majority of blacks does sing along even malema was not doing solo.

      Zakhele - 2011-04-20 08:24

      Question: Struggle against whom? Boers relinquished the power in 1994. ANC has had the power for 17 years and all we can do is sing struggle songs? Who banks and disburse the tax payers’ money? R22.5 billion for RDP houses and another flipping billions chunks for Child grants and nothing for R&D and innovation? But when it is convenient drive the dignitaries in black BMWs? Them Germans, Japanese, French and Americans must be laughing all the way to the bank- because African Leaders just consume, they never stop buying, they never empower their own youth, they are so much possessed with race but when it is convenient for them they will drive that BMW and never ask if it is the result and hard work of a boer? Huh? Do I teach my kids struggle songs or do I teach and encourage them to beat the hell out of the Japanese, Germans, Americans and Russians on technological advancement- so that one day the world drive an African designed car? Or do I tell them to emulate King Malema? Question: Who stopped Malema to ask Jacob Zuma to invest money in Mineral beneficiation- which is something we don’t have a lot of in this country? Why do we always want to have a claim on something the boers started with their own hard sweat? Do you know how many farms are lying for decades unused by blacks and Malema wants land restitution? To give them to who? My uncle has 12 farms (over 1500 hectares) he got when the white government willingly vacated in 1989 when they heard Mandela was going be released. Yes, in 1989 because my grandfather was known of his ANC underground operatives and they had to run away in time. What did my uncle do when he took over? Ran them to the ground! They have been lying there unused since 1990 because of fighting amongst the black people. My uncle won’t control his people. He is not capable of making a decision- and the same goes for black leaders (especially the ANC leadership). Everybody is a king, chief, ANCYL Leader, Comrade, Brigade, IFP, ANC, Azapo- so there is nobody to do the job unless you hire a boer to come do the work. It’s just one big concussion and the land is lying there yenning for water and seeds. Grazing lands are running empty years after years- and you still blame the boer for all these f*ck ups? When I go home I must buy them green pepper, cabbage, tomatoes, pumpkins, spinach (all at Fruit and Veg), maize meal at Pick ‘n Pay, Meat at the butchery- oh the flipping list is just ridiculous! And my uncle’s job is to go around visiting all his wives and being saluted his Majesty, His Highness! These days we all bow to King Malema- from where? Who is he?

      multicon - 2011-04-20 08:52

      Way to go Zakhy!

      Zakhele - 2011-04-20 09:01

      @lekomonisi- I spend 4 hours a day with my kids. The rest of the other 11 hours they spend with their teachers and friends who sing along with Malema just as the other fellow highlighted that many people sand along Malema. Right now you are not with your children. They are exposed to all the rubbish the media pumps to them. Have you ever heard your child saying things or having a strong opinion about how they see the world as opposed to the way you see it? Will you be there when the going gets tough and they seek the easy way out by resorting to insulting people and joining the struggle- which doesn’t require a diploma, FET Certificate or a degree? Will you be there? Are you there with you child right now? But on contrary the children by their own choice are in constant updates with what King Malema is upto. Continue being denial!

      Shistirrer - 2011-04-20 09:56

      Zakhele, I salute you! Your post starting with "Question: Struggle against whom?" must be THE best I've ever read here on N24. I wish someone would read it in parliament. It should be splashed in all the papers nationwide. If ever there was a wake-up call to stop blaming the boer and apartheid and living in the past, this is it. Well done, sir!

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-20 09:59

      Zakhele : You give SA something that malema couldn't dream of : Hope.

      multicon - 2011-04-20 10:09

      Zakhele, I salute!

      Kenno - 2011-04-20 10:43

      Valid comments! Clearly, if the ANC and all its Leaders cannot control Malema, WHAT CHANCE HAVE THEY GOT OF CONTROLLING THE COUNTRY????? Mantashe, you have all but admitted that you are NOT IN CONTROL. Time for change....Hello Helen!!!

      Point Blank - 2011-04-20 11:24

      @lekomonisi, it was a white farmer who was dragged behind a bakkie you lying twit. I asked you a question a while back and you failed to answer it. How many black people have been killed by white farmers compared to how many white farmers have been killed by black people. We can also say we voted for a free country and what did we get? Black people raping, killing and stealing... see it can also be turned around. While you think about it, read this:

      redrobot - 2011-04-20 11:47

      Zakhele for youth league president!!!..lekomonisi you are the proverbial baboon.

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 14:22

      Well said, I agree, there needs to be alot more work done on poverty alleviation and less work on stealing money from the very people the cANCer and their middle aged youth league profess to represent. By the way, although I agree with your response to lekomonisi, I feel you are wasting your time. Racists like lekomonisi are beyond helping. They are too bitter and generally just bad apples. All of us that are like minded need to stand together against the racist cANCer in this country to stop it from slipping down a very slippery slope. I am in a very bad place at the moment when it comes to this country, the light at the end of the tunnel is getting further and further away and a horrible future of violence is all I see. Being a father, I sincerely hope I am wrong.

      wide awake - 2011-04-20 14:25

      Well put Zakhele - nice reply

  • Fanie - 2011-04-19 22:57

    Nope he doesnt scare me - find him higly amusing Western Cape in ANC hands ....about as good a chance as Soweto becomming an FFP stronghold ans id it is not enough that he sings about killing/shooting whites, now he urges the crowds to go into other peoples homes... univited?

  • Juju se Pa - 2011-04-19 23:11

    Malema scares no one! It's the supporters that seem to have a "penchant" for doing exactly what he says. i.e. killing Boers! If Malema left his home address and didn't have many body guards, whom only seem to be there to defend him from his own supporters, I would be willing to bet that many Afrikaners, whom Mantashe believes are suffering from Malemaphobia, would be willing to meet him for a little "chat".

  • Alfred - 2011-04-19 23:16

    By saying, "Everybody in the ANC gets disciplined...if you step out of line," do you really mean, "Trevor Manuel will be disciplined if he points out our racism"? I can't think of anyone else from the ANC being disciplined for any of there shenanigens off hand...

  • Keeptheherit - 2011-04-19 23:23

    All I keep seeing is the degradation of the 'Afrikaner', who yes made the mistake to write segregation into the law books instead of just practicing it like in other is just not a written law. It exists in America, Europe, Australia, you name it, it exists. It is just not written anywhere. With all due respect most of us apart from that could learn a plenty from the true Afrikaner, family unity, deep rooted respect for their elders, wonderul hospitality, genuinely hard working folk, willing to die for their beliefs, live a good Christian life, and more... So much good... It does not really reflect against this particular story but perhaps their ways are to be admired somewhat even though they made a singular mistake to write a law of segregation. Which I do not agree with at all but whats done is done.... you must realise folks that you can not wipe away their history as you want to, changing names of places, streets, cities will not change their history. The resistance of the Afrikaner is because you want to in someway irradicate their mere existence. Yet they have so much to offer in life be it that they made a dreadful error years ago. South Africa...join hands and learn to stand together as the Afrikaner has and stand against tyrany, corruption, crime... Let all be Proud of their heritage, for both sides do not have a clean slate by any means. Move on and make a country to be proud of.... and now let the mud sling begin....

      W H Kotze - 2011-04-20 13:27

      Fine sentiments but keep it real: Ever heard of Cape Ordinance no.17 of 1905, the Native Land Act of 1913, the Native Urban Areas Act of 1923 and the Industrial Conciliation Act of 1924? Check the dates and guess who wrote and sanctioned those laws. Here's a clue: In those days Afrikaners were still forced to sing God Save the King. The British King!

  • Neak - 2011-04-19 23:27

    Malema fuels people's hate for votes, I just hope that soon enough people will begin to realize that his promises are empty and his actions hypocritical. I think that if more people in South Africa were educated the likes of Malema and Winnie would be th eccentric fringes. Electioneering these days has nothing to do with actual policy, it's all about promises and race politics. It makes a mockery of democracy

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-19 23:40

      You're right, Neak. It's called demockery. It's about personalities, lies, smoke and mirrors; negative emotions like hate, fear and mistrust; about twisted history, greed, myths and superstition. Proper education is the key to our salvation.

  • brok3news - 2011-04-19 23:27

    haha so true!! truth hurts

  • Digger - 2011-04-19 23:36

    If only the black South Africans would open their eyes and realize that there are other parties, even if these parities (DA) at present represent a majority white population. The old apartheid is over and never again will it come back, but they can make a difference by empowering a party that can and will do their job. They more then any would ensure their promises are kept or they would loose those black votes in a heart beat. It’s like this, if you were dying and needed a doctor to operate on you, would you choose a black doctor just because you are black? Or would you want the best doctor you can get, no matter if he/she was white, yellow, pink or purple? Stop this racist thinking and do the best for SA, yourself and your family.

      Kenko - 2011-04-20 09:37

      Blacks will vote for any party that promises them the most for doing the least. The war-cry for any political party nowadays revolve around what they will give to the voter in return for their cross. It is undeliverable and unsustainable, and anyone with a brain knows that. I wish someone will speak the truth. When will there be a party that says "You will have to work hard in order to get things"?

  • euro-african - 2011-04-19 23:39

    With such wonderful quotes as: "where are all the white people ne" and "its because she is black, white people are racist" - caster debacle; "dont bring your white tendencies here, baasted" and "what is funny is what is in your pants" - interviewed by a journalist; "ugly white lady who sleeps with all the men she knows" and "ugly white lady who dances like a monkey" - references to Helen Zille; and on and on. And you wonder why we are afraid of him. A racist man who, out of all the struggle songs that exist, decides to sing the one that asks for the genocide of a minority group. He then appears in court with 5 heavily armed henchmen to intimidate, as though he was a despot. His supporters in turn take his cue and are saying: "F the Boers, I hate them with a passion". And you dont see this as hate speech?!?!?!? Please explain to me why not??? I am all for heritage and culture, but he is using that as an excuse to hide his racism.

      Alfred - 2011-04-19 23:41

      Right on the button!

      Obelix - 2011-04-20 01:44

      Well said.

  • Kevin M - 2011-04-19 23:49

    Yes it is true that our songs are a heritage because these are the songs that liberated us and why would we stop them. This is part of history of our liberation movement. I sang and still sing these songs that are similar to dubul'ibhunu (kill the boer)like hamba kahle mkonto wesizwe, thina bantu bomkhonto sizimisele ukuwabulala lamabhulu, this song is sung when a member of MK dies then and even now continues to be sung when we bury a former MK soldier. If afri-forum is consistent my question will be why are they not complaining about this song because it also referes to we the MK soldiers, are committeed to kill the boers. This song does not literally means we will kill the boers but referes to the government of apartheid. These songs used to rally us around at the height of the opression and repression, therefore why we cannot sing them now. Which part of heritage has ever been taken away from the boers. I think afri-forum must understand that anything which is destructive in the society will negate itself.

      Palian - 2011-04-20 06:24

      'when we bury a former MK soldier.' start digging already...

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 14:39

      Kevin, why sing about killing boers at all? The struggle is over. My parents always taught me when I was a child, if you are doing something to someone that is causing them distress, stop it, it is not moral to cause someone distress. I would not need a court of law to tell me this, it is common sense. The sensitivity of the matter begs the question......What is more important RIGHT NOW, the continued singing of an outdated 'struggle' song that strikes fear into a minority that puts food on your table everyday, or national reconciliation, nation building? I suppose it depends on where your priorities lie and how important the future of this country is to you. PS: Afriforum are not saying BAN THE SONG. They are saying, yes, it is a part of history, conserve it, put it in museums and never forget it, JUST DON'T SING IT DURING POLITICAL RALLIES TO GET A BUNCH OF EXTREMIST YOUTHS ALL WORKED UP FOR A FIGHT, and particularly, DON'T ALLOW A KNOWN RACIST AND HATER OF WHITE PEOPLE TO USE IT AS AMMUNITION. All South Africans need to ask themselves one question before doing something, 'will this alienate or marginalize any group in this country, is there sensitivity around what I propose to do?' This is just common human decency.

      RiRo1 - 2011-04-20 16:32

      Then are you explaining to your youth that it doesn't mean they should kill white people? If that is the case, go ahead and sing it. But if they take it as something they are urged to do? Will you stop singing it? Or do you just not care? That is really the question... Would you stop if it was proven to result in Boer Genocide?

  • robg - 2011-04-19 23:51

    perhaps it's time for the whities to withhold their taxes and see how long this great African state lasts. I am a proudly "white" south african. I make no excuses for being white. I am just as African as Mandela, Mbeki and whoever else you might like to call African. But , I respect the rule of law, don't support corruption, and would like to see the "new SA " succeed. Perhaps a pipe dream?

      Blaq - 2011-04-20 07:39

      Not only whites pay taxes or are educated, wake up n smell the coffe is 2011 not 1948. I dont see anything wrong wit hte song, but what wrong is the way Malema had used it. finish n klaar

      euro-african - 2011-04-20 08:43

      agreed blaq. It should be clear to everyone (anc and afriforum) that the song is not the problem. A racist fascist despot singing the song to his supporters is the problem. He might be stupid, but he is cunning. He specifically choose this struggle song because he knew it is racially divisive and would get him attention, and he loves attention. I call on the anc to reprimand him and put him in his place.

      Totman - 2011-04-20 09:04

      @Blag. I think Malema was born too late. He would have been highly usable in the old days. I think he realized it and try to live in the glorious past. Unfortunately there are very intelligent black people that he now have to compete with.[ not that they were not there before, but they can now freely live themselves out]

      The realist - 2011-04-20 09:15

      @Blaq I dont see anything wrong with you, expect that you open your mouth....idiot...

  • Digger - 2011-04-19 23:52

    If these people honestly think that songs like these don’t negatively influence the public, then why do they bother going around speaking at gatherings when campaigning? Why not just do their job, say nothing and see what happens at the vote? I guess what I am trying to say is that their argument is bull crap. Of course as a leader you influence and incite people by everything you do and say, to a point naturally and depending on the intellect of an individual. Yes at home or with your family and friends you should feel free to sing whatever you like, but as a public leader you have a responsibility. All public leaders should be trying to bring South Africans together in uniting us against racism, discrimination, crime, unemployment, poverty and the list goes on and on. Yet all this idiot can do is cause more conflict between us and the worst is the whole ANC government backs him? In my opinion the Malema’s and Terre’Blanche’s have no place in South African politics’.

  • Karel - 2011-04-19 23:55


      The realist - 2011-04-20 09:16

      @Blaq You have a really big mouth... You are so proud to be black that youwont even spell it as black, you'd rather spell it in a white way... Shut up you retard

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 14:44

      I am proud of having boer heritage and I would take the word as a compliment, but I understand what you are saying, he is using boer, like someone would use dog when describing another person.

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 14:47

      @Blaq - Get over yourself dude, Karel was not saying there should be a song with the K word in it. He is making a point, which you have validated, there would be huge outcry because of it. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • Raymond - 2011-04-20 00:00

    Israel and palestine are at war , yet many more white farmers have been killed in last five years in SA , Malema should realise his people need to eat , How many emerging farmers are producing food ?

  • Ralph Long - 2011-04-20 00:11

    I am beginning to wonder if the outcome of this case goes in favour of Malema and the ANC, if we won't see the 'Boers' rising again like they did in the past and take on the ANC. Scary thought!!! If I was a betting man, my odds would be 10 - 1 on the Boers, judging from past history. Hope I am wrong in my thoughts and that democracy wins and Malema is sent packing. Wishful thinking ??

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-04-20 03:27

      Malema is actually the greatest friend of the boers - their secret election weapon.

      youcantrunyoucanthide - 2011-04-20 04:28

      @Nasdaq7 - the Boers are not interested in winning any elections as they constitute an outright minority.

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-04-20 05:34

      Well he sure is alienating a lot of people.

      Orosman - 2011-04-20 08:11

      This whitey will be fighting alongside Julius against any type of "BOER" rising. Remember what happened to the AWB when theyw ent to war in their cars. They were gunned down.

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 14:48

      @Orosman, welcome to the party, you are a part of the problem.

      RiRo1 - 2011-04-20 16:39

      @Orosman Not that I want a fight or anything... but why do you feel that way? :-)

  • Digger - 2011-04-20 00:13

    When I was much younger I was in the Special Forces tasked with combating terrorism. (And yes, I consider throwing a hand grenade into church and planting limpid mines that will kill indiscriminately, terrorism, and not freedom fighters). We also had songs to mobilize and incite us, but do I want to teach my children these song in the new SA. No absolutely not. I want to teach them to judge people not by their color but what they do and say. I want them to be part of something new, not live in the past. Yes we must always remember history so we can better the future but really do we want the past to consume us so we never change? Generation after generation….It’s madness.

      paulf - 2011-04-20 07:29

      Well said there Digger, I am proud of you. I wish others would think like you and do the same.

      joy.termorshuizen - 2011-04-20 10:53

      Agree....what if we ( whities/boere) invented a song about killing blacks and then ran around singing it at every opportunity.....there would be a huge outcry! Why is it OK when they do it but racism if we do the same?

      MasterMind - 2011-04-20 11:09

      Dubula mnyama !!!!! Ayesab’ amagwala (Cowards are scared) Dubula! dubula! dubula nge s’bhamu (Shoot, shoot, shoot them wit a gun) Dubul’ mnyama isilima (Shoot the black idiot) Dubula! dubula! dubula nge s’bhamu (Shoot, shoot, shoot them wit a gun) Mama, ndiyeke ndidubul’ mnyama isilima (Ma, let me shoot the Black idiot) Dubula! dubula! dubula nge s’bhamu (Shoot, shoot, shoot them wit a gun) Ziyareypa mnyama lezinja (These black dogs rape) Dubula! dubula! dubula nge s’bhamu (Shoot, shoot, shoot them wit a gun) Now let's all learn the words to this song - is that what the useless ANCYL_PF retards want, racial segregation to further their political agendas - South Zimbabwe, here we come !!!!!

  • Gregory Burman - 2011-04-20 00:35

    is appending phobia the latest linguistic fad? or has the illiteracy hit me too?

  • jdk - 2011-04-20 00:37

    In The boer war it was only 17% of white south africans who fought that war while the rest was behaving like they are now.Dawid was one man who made a difference against the philistines. Do not be afraid this has happened before. Believe in God He has not let us down before.We must return to Him and renew our vows.Its unevitable we must fight. You cant give a country away with no fight.Nobody wants to fight but when everything you knew is obliterated you must stand up,even when it means you have to die.You owe it to God.Nobody can rule forever,history proves it.Anc is but a breeze. Everything ends.The fight is on and do the right thing

      The realist - 2011-04-20 09:22

      @jdk Two questions 1. Why are you so driven for fighting?(No, I am not critisizing you, I am genuinely curious) 2. Do you seriously believ that it is a fight that you will win? Lets be serious now... The numbers are one thing, consider this... How many firearms have mysteriously disappeared? Where you think they are going? And why? How many arms deals have mysteriously been conducted? Why do you think these arms have been purchased? To stop teh war in Libya...? Think again... Right now, there are two forces preparing to fight, make no mistake, it is happening... But why is nobody considering any alternative options? "subtle" options...

  • Roy Mountjoy - 2011-04-20 01:02

    HaiBO! ‘Shoot The Politician’ to be new hit struggle song A catchy new struggle song, ‘Shoot the politician’, has been hailed by the 20-million South African voters who get nothing in return for their vote. “If ‘Shoot The Boer’ refers to a struggle against a corrupt anti-democratic system rather than being a call for genocide, then MP’s won’t have a problem if we sing ‘Shoot the politician’,” explained a spokesman. “Ain’t democracy a bitch?” Meanwhile some white farmers have expressed “slight discomfort” at their taxes being used to pay for Julius Malema’s hate speech defence. “Call us reactionary counterrevolutionaries,” said farmer Ploeg Spoeg-Kroeg, “but doesn’t it strike anyone else as a bit odd that we’re paying lawyers to defend Julius’s right to call for us to be murdered?” However, most legal experts have agreed that the song ‘Shoot the Boer’ is not a call for actual murder but a call to arms against the repressive apartheid regime, a verdict that has been welcomed by the writers of the new hit struggle song, ‘Shoot the politician’. “When we sing, ‘Shoot the politician, blow the corrupt thieving complacent racist motherf*cker away’, we’re actually just calling for greater accountability,” explained songwriter Stratocaster Semenya. “Or maybe we aren’t, but that all depends on what the lawyers say. And how much longer our patience holds out.” He said that references to specific people were also harmlessly metaphorical. “The second verse goes, ‘Shoot Sicelo Shiceka, shoot him in the ass with buckshot made of diamonds, then rub wasabi paste onto his perforated ass, then shoot him in the ass again, don’t worry, he’s got medical aid’. “Obviously in this case he is just a metaphor for all the criminally insane MPs who use taxpayers’ money to visit their girlfriends in Swiss jails. So chill. It’s not a threat. “Or is it?” This morning politicians from across the political spectrum reacted angrily to the song, saying that freedom of speech was nice in theory but when it “blundered with its grubby peasant clogs through the hallowed members-only halls of Parliament and threatened those who account to nobody but God, their bank managers and Jacob Zuma – in ascending orders – then it has gone too far”. “You can’t go around calling for people to be shot,” said backbencher Filibuster Zuma. “Unless you’re referring to Boere. Or criminals. Or cockroaches. And by cockroaches we mean of course political opponents, and we mean ‘shoot’ in a metaphorical sense. Sort of, depending on the context.”

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-20 06:52

      Nice piece, Roy.

      joy.termorshuizen - 2011-04-20 10:55

      Thank you have made me laugh which is always good!

      Point Blank - 2011-04-20 11:29


  • Obelix - 2011-04-20 01:06

    Can the likes of poly,zulu,zizo etc. please tell us/me, what exactly do you want us/me the average white man.I am working for a salary like the majority of us (black and white) do, what do you want from us/me???? Do you want my bakkie,it's 99 model unfortunately i live in company housing. Do you want my house contents?? You have taken it already(twice). I just don't know what you want from me, i am struggling as it is to fill up my vehicle on ce a month. WHAT DO WANT FROM US/ME????? What is this LIBERATION suppose to do????

  • KaiinSA - 2011-04-20 01:07

    I really do not understand why the ANC are making so much fuss about this, they are not the only ones who have had to bow to the change in political and social changes. The English changed their national anthem when in 1707 the Act of Union brought them together with Scotland as the United Kingdom. From 1619 until 1707 the 6th verse of God save the King/Queen read "Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring May he sedition hush And like a torrent rush Rebellious Scots to crush God save the King" So surely if a stubbon and proud nation such as England is willing to change its national anthem for the sake of unity then why can't the ANC drop a chant for the greater good and unity of South Africa?

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-20 06:57

      Very good point, Kaiin. But I cannot understand the Britishers. If their Queen is in such mortal danger, why do they go all over the world at sports meetings, singing that God must save her? Why don't they do something about it themselves?

      Other Justin - 2011-04-20 14:57

      Because KaiinSA, they just don't give a sh1te. They are a RACIST cANCer that is ravaging South Africa. When you are an organised crime syndicate as big as the ANC, you are not worried about reconciliation, all you care about is the money and the bling bling.

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-04-20 01:12

    They should arrest everyone with such disgusting placards. If the ANC is serious about stopping hate speech then they should arrest people with such placards and charge them for hate speech.

      The realist - 2011-04-20 09:24

      @BigD :-) Ha ha ha ha ha ha.... Nuff said

      MasterMind - 2011-04-20 11:14

      please note the white people are all at work, only the useless ANC_PF supporters who have no work - including the dumb@ss politishuns in their midst, especially Winnie the Poo !!!

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-04-20 01:18

    Malema is an ultra-radical communist. It isn't Afrikaners that need to fear Malema - it is black people.

  • FalseGods - 2011-04-20 02:12

    I'd like you to all do me a favour, step back, take a deep breath, and ask why? Not enough people in this country ask that question. I think there are many flared reactions to these articles, with very good reasons from all sides. But you need to clear your heads, and see beyond it. Surely it would have been easy enough to arrange this dialogue between the involved parties before it reached this stage? Since no one can ascertain where this song started, would it really be so bad to change 'boere' to 'cowards' or 'enemies'? Of course it would have! So why, why did the government allow it to reach this point? Why did they let it become a huge dog and pony show, its suppose to be about black history or white relevance, surely those are two very serious matters dealing with civil rights, do they need to be turned in to this kind of circus? Never! This was planned, this was allowed, it could have been settled with civility. If we can't agree on this song or this matter, we need to at least agree that it has divided us, so why? What is the purpose of this? What is happening behind the curtain, off set, that this will benefit? Look deep in to your hearts and minds, as a shared group of people who all want dignity, respect, safety for ourselves, families and fellow men, and ask yourself why? Black people deserve their history and white people deserve their relevance, so as a human being, ask yourself why this whole fiasco would even be allowed to get to this point.

      joy.termorshuizen - 2011-04-20 11:02

      Yes...its all a smoke and mirrors show. The ANC promote this becuse it takes attention away from whatthey are doing, it also polarises people and inflames all the old racial wounds which suits them very well at this point in time. We al know that nothing will happen to Foolius andin the meantime they can waste millions of taxpayers money on courtcases and endless rhetoric.

  • Geo - 2011-04-20 04:37

    Can anyone confirm the rumour about Juluis that is spreading through our townships. Apparantly their is no female friends in his private life. Now we can see why our little Juluis is so frustrated as he can't live his life in the open. Boy o boy!

      ? - 2011-04-20 04:49

      Of cause he has female friends,6 to be exact - Mrs Palm and her five daughters.

      pitbull - 2011-04-20 05:03

      He probably has lots of little boy friends, instead.

  • pitbull - 2011-04-20 04:55

    The South African government is like a Punch and Judy Show. While Judy is doing one thing at one end of the stage Punch is at the other end of the stage beating up and being naughty at the other. Same thing in South Africa, while Malema holds the stage in the public eye one wonders what the government is doing at the other end of the stage. It is called prestidigitation or jugglers tricks. One observes these tricks on stage when magician's cull the audience. I wonder if David Copperfield has been training the politicians.

  • Boer - 2011-04-20 05:02

    And the world is laughing at the blacks in South-Africa. Friendly greetings from America. They are watching you ANC. BIGTIME.

      ? - 2011-04-20 05:29

      This place is turning into a hell hole,but actually,the world is laughing at the USA - high unemployment,states going bankcrupt,immigrants from cesspool third world countries walking across your border and when it rains,they slide across,middle class is vanishing,people calling storm water pipes their new homes. USA is going bankcrupt

      John Wilderness - 2011-04-20 05:31

      Laughing at the blacks or laughing at the ANC ? Because those whites that have supported apartheid and brought a good country to its knees and still today defend that failed system tooth and nail are also the subject of global jesting as much as the comedy coming from the ANC.

      ? - 2011-04-20 06:29

      @John Wilderness, Without colonialism and apartheid,the country wouldnt have been where it was in 1994,in terms of development

      slg - 2011-04-20 06:45

      No-name's back. This guy is a muslim fundamentalist, which is the same as a zionist but he doesn't know it. He supports any regime, even those that murder its people as long as it is against Israel and the US. Here he is actually supporting Apartheid. Truly backward and myopic.

      ? - 2011-04-20 06:58

      @slg, Oh so if someone such as myself love everyone including jews but opposed to zionism,which is a POLITICAL SYSTEM,then that automatically makes me a muslim fundamentalist??? You are sick insane LMAO

  • Proudly SA - 2011-04-20 05:32

    I think only possible mitigation in this case would be either incapacity by Malema to understand impact of his actions or have to plead insanity. It is so clearly wrong and all the witnesses have produced such weak arguments and trying to make all sorts of vague reasons - what has winning back the Western Cape got to do with this case ? Malema only doing chances in WC disfavour and looks as though JHB and Pretoria could be losing much ANC support.

  • slg - 2011-04-20 05:57

    Malema and the ANC have created the "Malemaphobia". It hasn't just happened. And it's a massive distraction from the pressing needs facing our country. Malema and the ANC are serving themselves with this whole thing, not the people who elected them to office.

  • Murph - 2011-04-20 06:09

    Singing a song which incites the murder of another group cannot be condoned or defended, I don't care who or where. All this "heritage" crap is just a smokescreen. I can't see that it takes a court case to establish that inciting murder has to by definition be hate speech. Any reasonable government and or its members would immediately recognise that this is wrong and bring it to a stop. This court case has become an exercise in grandstanding for the ANC and offers free electioneering opportunities for a party without any moral fortitude. Whip up the ignorant masses into a frenzy so as to avoid the nasty little truth that the ANC is failing its own people, is filled to the brim with long snouted pigs at the fiscal trough and that virtually the only regions offering any meaningful service delivery are those controlled by the opposition.

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-20 06:27


  • 197six - 2011-04-20 06:29

    "Everybody in the ANC gets disciplined...if you step out of line,". That is great except that the ANCs line appears to be so far over the horizon that anything goes and you are highly unlikely to be punished for anything, unless of course you spill your drink on Mr. Zuma.

      CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-04-20 06:56

      I wish I could "like" that a few more times

  • Saamprater - 2011-04-20 06:40

    joke as much as you want to, but be warned Mr Mantashe, you have a snake in your midst, and take this guarantee, this snake will be the end of the anc dream

  • Tc - 2011-04-20 06:51

    Do not forget, Mantashe is a blatant LIAR. He lied blatantly on TV a while ago, and a spokesperson of Zuma confirmed it. So why should anybody ever believe him?

  • danie.muller - 2011-04-20 06:52

    @lekomonisi. Be careful what you saying. I may be white but I have a lot of black brothers and sisters. The common goal is for peace as originally intended by Madiba. I have an understanding for the struggle black people experienced but by referring to white people as boers who oppressed is WRONG - not every white person had a hand in oppressing the black. The song "Shoot the Boer" has some impact as a lot of criminals are illiterate and do not understand the concept of "read-between-the-lines" - this song can easily be perceived as meaning exactly what it says. Our farmers fear and we fear for them because of all the senseless violence and I kid you not messages be left by said criminals such as "we will be back" - remember these boere feed your family as well as mine - that pap we have at the end of the day doesn't magically appear on our plates. I was raised correctly by my parents - during the apartheid era my family supported many black families - We had less so that they could have more....Your statement about jumping the fence into Sandton and obviously implying taking what is not yours is juvenile and criminal - Before making a statement like that, see that Malema and lots of other black families stay in Sandton. Work harder so that you can also live in Sandton instead of wanting to take what is so obviously not yours....I am embarrassed for you.

      NicJen - 2011-04-20 07:05

      Could not have said it any better myself!!!

      Mizer - 2011-04-20 07:40

      Yeah Danie..Good point brother. To be honest I'm black and only want to see change for EVERYONE in this country. I believe in equal opportunities for EVERYONE willing to work hard to live the life they aspire to have. These songs for me are way too out-dated and I see no relevance in them now. Yes kids needs to know about the good and the bad of history. It serves no point to only try to shift the learning to accommodate blacks about the horrible past their grandfathers suffered only. White kids also need to learn about their country’s history again. Many people are still finding it hard to change, but we have to start looking for ways to find solutions than making the situation worse. I should not look at someone different to me and say, look he/she has a better life because of “x, y, and z”. I have to ask myself, what can I do to make an effort to better my situation as well? Once all systems are open for anyone trying to make a difference, then we will be working towards a common goal, hence I’m saying let’s all work together from the private sector to the government sector to improve our situations. My take

      Badger - 2011-04-20 07:53

      This person is so poisened by his hate for whites that he will never admit that you are right.

      Blaq - 2011-04-20 08:03

      Well said Mr Muller, there isnt any better explanation. but i think lekomoninsi has been driven by all the racists comments from other side of the fence but ja he is wrong

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-20 08:40

      Danie: The fact that malema lives in Sandton not through hard work, but through spewing ANC sponsored hatred, is exactly why he has so many followers. They think they can do it too.

      joy.termorshuizen - 2011-04-20 11:08

      Well you see this is where the whole system breaks down.....the belief in " gimme" and " we demand" just becuase they managed to get themselves born is what is going to destroy this country. They refuse to see that if the white man had not arrived in Africa they would still be sitting in a tree! What do they think would happen if we all packed up and left?? The same that is happening all over Africa.....

  • NicJen - 2011-04-20 06:53

    ummmmmmmmmm.... Does this guy look as dumb as he sounds....??

      Badger - 2011-04-20 07:45

      He is VERY ugly.

  • CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-04-20 06:55

    #RacistPhobia #EconomicCollapsePhobia #Zimbabe2Phobia, #NationalisationPhobia, #IncompetentCorruptGovernmentPhobia #Genocide #EnglishPeopleAreSmartEnoughToGetOutToo #WhyIsMyCandianVisaTakingSoLong #TakeYourMoneyWithYouDontLeaveThemACent

  • daaivark - 2011-04-20 07:11

    Hardly surprising, is it. The guy is running about, singing songs urging people to kill, miming shooting actions with his pudgy fingers, while you old guys smile and wave. Major confidence boost you are providing there, old chap.

  • WiseOwl2 - 2011-04-20 07:27

    With due respect Mr Mantashe I think you have distanced yourself from the public and reality, not only are there Afrikaans boers being killed but English farmers as well, Take for instance the killing of the prominent English Natal farmer.. Come out of your toppling ivory tower Mr Mantashe - get closer to the nation and reality. This is again evidence of the racist ANC party