Air force chief in hospital

2011-11-05 12:49

Johannesburg - SA Air Force chief lieutenant general Carlo Gagiano has been in a military hospital for the last three days due to stress, according to a report on Saturday.

Initially it was thought he had suffered a heart attack but stress was later confirmed, the Beeld newspaper reported.

Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu sent flowers and would visit Gagiano "as soon as possible", her spokesperson Ndivhuwo Mabaya said.

Gagiano and Secretary of Defence Mpumi Mpofu resigned with immediate effect on Friday after a string of incidents beleaguered the air force's transportation services.

It was believed the hospitalisation stemmed from work-related stress.

However, according to The Cape Times, Sisulu has refused to accept Gagiano's letter.

Resignation not accepted

It said the minister lost her patience when Mpofu failed to give satisfactory answers over the various debacles.

"The minister still does not accept lieutenant general Gagiano's resignation and stands by him," Mabaya was quoted as saying.

Mpofu was replaced by chief financial officer Mziwonke Dlabantu.

Some of the incidents which have plagued the air force's reputation include one in which a VIP plane, chartered by it, developed technical problems as it was taking off from the Waterkloof Air Force Base in Pretoria last month. Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe was on board the plane.

In September, the plane the deputy president was flying on to attend the opening of the Rugby World Cup in New Zealand missed its first landing slot and in 2009, his plane was forced to make an emergency landing while flying back from Libya.

Another incident pertained to the revelation that two pilots who flew President Jacob Zuma to the United States earlier this year had been implicated in a failed 2004 Equatorial Guinea coup.

  • Servaas - 2011-11-05 12:52

    Funny how when the sh*t is about to hit the fan how these clowns always end up in hospital. Bunch of drama queen sissies.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 13:07

      @Wrong: "Carlo Gagiano" "@serv-ASS(aka @IDIOT)....The problem is that he is WHITE...." Wow, took you long enough to figure that one out. Klim terug in jou kassie bobbejaan.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 13:11

      LOL @ Margie

      Jeffrey - 2011-11-05 13:14

      @Right, But that black young lion Malema went to hospital because he caught a cold, and Shiceka was on sick leave for 8 months, and Shabby Shaik spent all his time in the prison hospital. Were any of these white.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 13:21

      @Right: Well DUH, at least we know you can read.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 13:36

      @right: Would have been nice if goverment could do the same.. Hand in their resignations because the entire lot are clearly useless.

      Right - 2011-11-05 13:50

      Well I hear the Minister is not accepting Carlo's resignation as an investigation is underway to determine links to questionable or dubious possible subversive organizations. Well boetie! I can understand why your stress has shot up. It's TREASON next...mate!

      Sedick - 2011-11-05 13:57

      If I had to work for that cow I would also be sick.......

      Van - 2011-11-05 13:58

      Treason is good. Just look at nelson, he became president. You clearly have no idea how things work when it comes to buying aircraft for the Air Force. The chief does mit sugn the cheque or the requisition. It is once again some incompetant ancRSTOR down the line thay is waiting for the bribe before placing the order.

      Right - 2011-11-05 14:04

      F@ck...he is the Chief of the Airforce....he is supposed to get things DONE. Not provide excuses and then go into hospital for STRESS. Thats what I expect of Malema...not a member of the Armed Forces. YAASLIKE!.....proper patsie!

      Douglas - 2011-11-05 17:43

      I have some friends in the Air Force, and they have the utmost respect for Lt Gen Gagiano. He has a good head on his shoulders, and he gets things done. He has also been described as an officer and a gentleman. Unfortunately, he has been expected to run a sinking ship. He's been under huge pressure to keep things going even when there's very little by way of money or personnel to service our aircraft. Yet, the expectation is there to always perform, and have these aircraft ready to fly into the deepest and darkest parts of Africa at a moment's notice. I'd say anyone who's human will feel the pressure.

      Right - 2011-11-05 18:06

      Cry me a River. SHAME! It's tough at the top...and those who have operated at this level know it. However...if you accept the position then deliver on your responsibilities and duties as the man-in-charge. he accepted the position and he knew the remuneration and duties. Carlo may be a wonderful person...but when you have a job to do...then get on with it. STRESS...HOSPITALIZATION...EXCUSES....LMFAO... Ever heard of the saying : YOU ARE A MARINE.... The navy and the army must also now be LTFAO.

      danie.ferreira1 - 2011-11-06 07:29

      You have no idea what you are speaking about Servaas .. don't compare someone of the caliber of Carlo (whom I know personally) with Ju-JU and those clowns.

  • Robbie - 2011-11-05 13:07

    The problem is that he has to work with clueless corrupt black people which like many other white south africans causes alot of stress.

      Koketso - 2011-11-05 14:44

      Robbie if you are going to survive in this country you will have to work with black people, regardless of whether you like it or not so stop complaining, otherwise migrate. "We almost always see what is wrong with others, and not what is wrong with us"-Joyce Meyer

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-11-05 15:06

      If this indeed is your opinion, your should... go to where your mind could be cured (as the Rev. N. Sithole advised certain Rhodesians). If you don't like the country, no matter what your race, creed, colour, ethnicity, religion, then the solution to YOUR problem is easy, sod off.

  • Colin - 2011-11-05 13:10

    Too both of you, These people where professional soldiers and not some bush jockey who though they where soldiers, they have had to endure incompetent people so long that It's no wonder they are starting to show the strain at there age. Served with these so called sissies, they are more competent and upstanding people than either of you will ever be. Get well soon Sir's and stongs to the family.

      Albert - 2011-11-05 14:23

      I second.What an ugly piece of human dreg this Right fellow must be.Ignorant and arogant.

  • Van - 2011-11-05 13:10

    Since when do you ask someone to accept your resignation? It is a notice, not an application.

      Koketso - 2011-11-05 14:38

      It is military etiquette to start every letter, including resignation letters, with "I respectfully request..."

  • John - 2011-11-05 13:19

    It is an old fashioned concept called honour. If someone screws up on your watch you fall on your sword as the buck stops here. More people like this are needed in govt.

  • Zip - 2011-11-05 13:28

    fine state of affairs this banana republic is in. air force chief in hospital. what if we had entered a war with him folding like that? which doctor passed him last as 'fighting fit'? ha ha

  • Simon - 2011-11-05 13:31

    @Servaas Do you get paid to comment on articles on news24. My colleagues were talking about this website and your name came up. You are becoming some sort of legend. For the wrong reasons though. You come across as a bitter, racist South African who finds pleasure in insulting the government, president at any given opportunity. You and Right are everything wrong with this country. But dont grow a big head now, its literally a handfull of you lot. And do you really have an opinion about everything? Well, you can start calling me names and whatever else you do here.................

      Van - 2011-11-05 13:53

      zoomer and his government ARE an insult. No need to insult them.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 13:56

      @Simon: reading your comment you are clearly very happy with the current goverment, the way they are applying reverse-apartheid as well as back them in their efforts to take what does not belong to them (Land-grabs.) You clearly are happy with the corruption. Yes, I do not respect Zuma, he is a disgrace for a president, look at his past with the corruption just wiped clean, laying assault charges for a spilled drink. Malema and the entire parliament. My next guess would be that you are not a white person. Do you think I care what you and your colleagues think or have to say about me? The name calling can be left to right.. He is pretty good at that,

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 14:00

      Oh Simon.. This is my view on land grabs aka affirmative shopping. "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children."

      Simon - 2011-11-05 14:23

      @Servaas In the absence of race, you cannot then construct a sensible argument for your case? I honestly do not care what your views on the president, country and especially myself are. I have got no time for people like you. You seem to derive some sort of pleasure and gratification from people giving you a thumbs up when you go on your president bashing escapades. Your views on politics, black people and anything in general leave a lot to be desired. How can you spend so much time and effort on this site. Apparently you comment on every single article there is on news24. Would be intersting to hear your views on how Zuma contributed to the debt crisis in Greece coz you seem to link everything to him. The land grab quote, which I hope you are not trying to make your own: "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children." Is actually a native american saying. With that as a context on your views on land grabs, you not only contradict your entire statement but also show your knee jerk tendencies to just throw unqualified statements at everything. But I will give you the benefit of doubt, you are still evolving as a human being. Going to school does not make one educated my friend. Question is what does? When you figure that out you will most likely stop spending your time onj this site and start making a difference.

      Right - 2011-11-05 14:35


      Servaas - 2011-11-05 14:48

      Simon: You are all for the goverment I am not. You are entitled to your views as much as I am to mine otherwise whats the point of debating on a forum? My daughter has no future in SA because she is white, had nothing to do with aa/bee all the cr@p. Go through what I have been in life, cousins murdered on their farm, 8year old daughter raped and killed and then malema carry's on with this land grab nonsense. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY OR THINK OF ME. You say you do not have time for my lot as you put it, yet you took 20min to write that nonsense. Seems I lack education and you lack common sense. @Sithando and right: Am not even going to entertain your stupidity. Clearly a lot of ANC&YL Trolls on the site today,

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 14:52

      Why do you think I posted that quote? People like you as well as the tenderpreneur brigade will clearly disagree and at the rate SA is being governed I doubt there will be a SA left in the next 5 generations.

      MaxOdin.SA - 2011-11-05 15:12

      @simon, I have no idea what your actual agenda is. I don't know you from adam and neither do I know Servaas but here's the thing. The South African people stand on the brink on civil war. This is something i personally have seen coming for years now. Servaas may be a bitter person, but can you blame him? The genocide of white south africans has already begun. Yes UHURU is real and it has started. The mere fact that he comments so often is not only a sign that he cares but also that he has a cause. As far as the racist bit goes, I agree he is but the again can you blame him? The government has been successful in one thing and that is keeping us racially devided. just think of how many times it's been said if the white man doesn't like something "they must go out". It's all good and well to sit there and judge the man/woman (servaas) when you yourself are a racist. Yes everyone who does not express outrage at governments racist policies and public utterences is a racist. Doing nothing to stop evil is just as good as doing evil yourself. As a non-white I don't mind servaas's utterences, why because it's the status quo. Yup we're all guilty of it. everyone! So do me a favour before you enter childish race games. Get over it, we are frought with corruption, poverty and a lack of education and even the so-called enlightened members of the public are puppets to some ideology. Forget about what separates us and let's look at who separates us.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 15:18

      @Wrong: Your silly little attacks are getting very lame, can you up your game and no, I do not battle, looking at the amount of thumbs down you got I actually feel sorry for you

      Right - 2011-11-05 15:30

      @serv-ASS(aka @IDIOT)....the thumbs up or thumbs down mean NOTHING. They are merely indicative of the number of "laager mentalities" or HYPOCRITES as Grateh Cliff puts it that peruse this site. Common sense is rather uncommon. Sheer numbers of thumbs up or down is not a proof of intelligent thought...but I guess you find that difficult to comprehend. Like I stated should give serious thought to going back to school to finish your schooling. It will help you.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 15:36

      @Wrong: You clearly on a drunk-typing spree again today. Why don't you take your Black Range rover you were bragging about and go drive off a cliff?

      Right - 2011-11-05 15:38

      @Maximus Odinidus....what RUBBISH you state...UHURU has begun....LMFAO. Serv-ASS is just a racist ET offshoot...the likes of which that has long been around in this country. When UHURU begins trust me ALL will know about it. Where were you when our people were been slaughtered as a matter of policy by previous Governments in this country. You want to know about UHURU...Vakplass, DEATH SQUADS, Blue stone, forced removals, land grabs by the Nationalists on horseback,...etc. These CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY were matters of POLICY. UHURU has f@cken @ss.

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 15:49

      @WRONG AGAIN: I am surprised you did not lable him a coconut, is that not what your type does? Rather shut up and read his comments of steering off on a civil war instead of attacking the guy. Reading your comment you clearly hope for a civil war you sorry excuse of a turd.

      Right - 2011-11-05 15:50

      @serv-ASS(aka @IDIOT)....Go Cry me a River. I don't for one minute believe that your daughter was raped and were merely looking for SYMPATHY and you seemed to have found it. You....are going to end up the same way as doubt in my mind.....with or without the assistance of your Greek or Roman sympathisers.(UHURU protoganists...LMFAO)

      Right - 2011-11-05 16:02

      @serv-ASS(aka @IDIOT)...seen that you mention it and aptly and appropriately name him....I agree....he is. UHURU has begun.....LMFAO. You "laager mentalities" or HYPOCRITES never fail to amaze me. serv-ASS please go back to your CAR GUARD duties

      Right - 2011-11-05 16:06

      @serv-ASS(aka @IDIOT)....note well: all your comments are devoid of logic, because all your comments are filled with racism, because you have this erroneous belief that black people are inferior to you, because you seem to think that every black person must belong to the ANC or ANCYL, because you seem to think that every wealthy black person acquired their wealth thru criminal or dubious activities, government tenders or BEE, because you have no respect for black people whatsoever, because your have a "laager mentality" that seeks to encourage groups to target black people, because for everything that goes wrong you want to blame black people, because you want to blame black people for you not making progress in life, because you are uneducated and want to portray yourself as far more educated than every black person...when this is clearly not the case, because you seldom think before making your utterances nor think about the content, Because you blow alot of hot air about armed insurrection but you are actually a coward that does not follow thru, because you have this violent attitude and prefer brawn over brains,......I will not go on. But until such time that you change your attitude "dan soek ek jou...."

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 16:16

      @WRONG AGAIN: Not my daughter you dumb sh*t. Read again then you will see. See what happens when you drink and type. I wonder which is worse, you driving drunk, or typing drunk?

      Servaas - 2011-11-05 16:25

      @ RIGHT: Do Note The Following: All your comments are devoid of logic, Because all your comments are filled with racism, Because you have this erroneous belief that WHITE people are inferior to you, Because you seem to think that every white person must belong to the AWB Because you seem to think that every wealthy white person acquired their wealth thru criminal or dubious activities, APARTHEID, because you have no respect for white people whatsoever, Because you have a "laager mentality" that seeks to encourage groups to target WHITE people(Farm murders ring a bell??) (BTW, your government does)…. Because for everything that goes wrong you want to blame APARTHEID, (So easy to blame apartheid and play the race card hey??) Because you want to blame WHITE people for you not making progress in life, (Try blaming apartheid, this is getting so boring) Because you are uneducated and want to portray yourself as far more educated than every WHITE person...when this is clearly not the case, Because you seldom think before making your utterances nor think about the content, Because you blow a lot of hot air about armed insurrection but you are actually a coward that does not follow thru, Because you have this violent attitude and prefer brawn over brains,......I will not go on. But until such time that you change your attitude "YOU WILL STILL BE IN A STRUGGLE" There, I reworked it for you, sounds about right.. Oh and I fixed your spelling and grammar too..

      MaxOdin.SA - 2011-11-05 17:20

      @ Simon, please don't make the mistake of thinking i am a Sypathiser of servaas's. Let me ask you a question, where we you with the forced removals you speak of? and all the other things you quoted for that matter. It seems to me that you yourself were not there. The only difference between your skin colour and mine is that somewhere along the line there were white people in my family. I've said before that two of my grandparents were black and indian respectively and the other white who by default in their choice to marry across racial lines were part of the struggle. The grandfather I lived with (a black man was part of the ANC and one of the countless numbers forcefully removed, who had an active role in the struggle. My point in speaking to you in this forum is that other races, other than whites have had enough of the ANC's devicive racist rants and believe it or not all minorities are being discriminated against. So when I say something you deem sympathetic to servaas I am actually saying that the general tolerance to your UHURU mentality is growing thin. There are those of us who see things as they are and then people like you. Until now the government has had the right idea about making restitutions to the Black population of south africa. At this moment in history something has changed. Government has failed in their mandate and are resorting to land grabs and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the articles posted everyday about how many white people are killed.

      JoaoFlickr - 2011-11-05 23:16

      The mistake you make, is to listen to a man with a Std.2 education, and to listen to a mock fat-assed mock- warlord telling you who you are, and who white people are. You do not know white people well enough to make up your minds about them. Telling one another what rubbish white are, makes you feel better about yourselves for only a few hours. Listen to Chris Rock when he talks about black people, then have a little courage and the back-bone to watch a few videos about what black people say about black people, and to read a few books from respected authors about what they say about the black race. Then, and only THEN, come back to a forum such as this to comment on tho white people are.James David Manning, PhD “Black people do not understand the world”. Many of the opinions expressed in his video are mirrored by Booker T. Washington in his book, "Up? From Slavery". These are just two of a few hundred well respected blackauthors who have written about blacks with great frankness and concern. Interesting guys. Tell the Truth Pastor Manning The Best of Pastor Manning (version 1) Pastor Manning: says racism is not the problem Black People Are Haters And Losers

  • tony.kirby1 - 2011-11-05 13:54

    The General is over the retirement age and has been asked twice to stay on already. Secondly it is not the Air Force that buys the planes it goes thru a different government department who has sat on the contract to purchaes air craft. Nogal froma Nigerian Compnay Ahmen

  • Levett - 2011-11-05 14:11

    General Gagiano is a brilliant officer ... don't blame him that he became GATVOL. Whoever replaces him is most likely going to fnuck up big time. Fly SAA!

      Shadho - 2011-11-05 14:41

      WTF @ Officer....Levett you are more of a ORRIFICE THAN GAGIANO. There was only ONE decent Chief of the SAAF in the History of the SAAF and his name was General BOB Rogers. DEAL with it you ignoramus numbnutz

      Levett - 2011-11-05 18:57

      Have you ever met him or just making noise?

  • Shadho - 2011-11-05 14:16

    hahaha HE HAS RESIGNED THE ITALIAN WANNABEE... LMFAO!!! Why refer to the mere citizen as General or head of the AF....HE HAS RESIGNED...HE IS NOTHING!!!WTF @ She hasnt accepted his resignation...SISULU...HE DONT NEED YOUR PERMISSION TO RESIGN... OR are you hiding something Madam Sisulu???? Damn you are very attractive though...hmmm mebbe when you fired we can go on safari...hmmm

      Levett - 2011-11-05 14:22

      A General doesn't lose his title even if he resigns ... brilliant ignorance you showing bonehead.

  • Steve - 2011-11-05 14:23

    Hi Servaas, I suspect you will want to borrow it 'for' your children..... :) Attention to detail is an acquired skill...... I'm sure you'll get it right.... eventually :( Regards Steve

  • Gert - 2011-11-05 14:26

    How do you confirm stress? Exclude any real medical condition... Wonder if he'll lose sleep about real national security issues.

  • Bhele - 2011-11-05 14:54

    Gagiano is a dictator i hope Col Zurich is gonna resign as well. WISH HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY.

  • Gavin - 2011-11-05 15:51

    He must have a tough job

  • Epher - 2011-11-05 17:38

    SANDF Will not be able to fight any war, it will be over in no time.

      Ignes - 2011-11-05 17:59

      As has happened with Operation Boleas when the Lesotho "BOY SCOUTS" Defence Force had the SANDF running with the tail between the legs. Even with Ratels and 8 (eight) attack helicopters the SANDF could not "win" the war against the LNDF and had to run for cover. LMFAO.

  • Diaan - 2011-11-06 07:48

    STRESS, poor A$$hole. what would he do if he was in command of a REAL airforce that was fighting a war

      Colin - 2011-11-07 19:49

      fight and win as he did in the passed, the stress is due to it not being a competent fighting unit.

  • danie.ferreira1 - 2011-11-06 07:53

    @Shado .. Shadho .. I knew Gen Bob Rodgers (served under him when he was OC Light Aircraft Command) and did my pilot's course with Carlo at Langebaanweg in 1969. I'm not sure what your agenda is but would like to point out that both these gentlemen were/are birds of a feather (Gen Rodgers passed away a few years ago) .. both were/are truly "An Officer and a Gentleman" .. which obviously cannot be said about you judging by your comments.

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