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Al-Qaeda training camps in SA - report

2013-05-13 08:27

Johannesburg - Security officials have been monitoring the training of al-Qaeda militants in South Africa for several years but have not taken any action despite incriminating evidence, it emerged on Monday. 

A report by the Daily Maverick, based on a year-long investigation, shows that the police’s Crimes Against the State specialised unit as well as the State Security Agency are aware of the military training camps.

The camps are in three locations in South Africa: the former apartheid police base at Vlakplaas, a secluded farm in the Klein Karoo and another location in the Eastern Cape.

The police’s investigation into the camps was called Operation Kanu.

British and US intelligence agencies have apparently pressured the South African government to act on any possible Muslim terrorist threats but so far little action has been taken.

The Vlakplaas base is linked to the well-known Dockrat family and a mosque in Laudium outside Pretoria.

The Dockrat family have repeatedly denied links to al-Qaeda.

 

Comments
  • Desilusionada - 2013-05-13 08:33

    Well we all know the stance of the Government on terrorism, violence and unrest. No surprises there.....

      Bon Bon - 2013-05-13 08:59

      You are right! I think sanctions from the US and the UK might shake our government out of their apathetic, lethargic comfort zone.

      nu_un_clear - 2013-05-13 09:34

      My question is: if this is true, why is this not bigger news, why can't I find anything else on this matter? And surely if this is true then it should have been on the front page of every newspaper and on the news on television. I am not saying that it is not true, I'm just wondering why this has not created more of a stir than this one article on n24? If anyone knows anything to back this up, please let us know, this is an international threat not just a Gupta plain landing national threat.

      George Wood - 2013-05-13 09:36

      Probably use Waterkloof to enter the country too! Perhaps they have JZ in their back pocket too?

      Kobus Hattingh - 2013-05-13 09:37

      They probably flew in by heliguptas and landed at Waterkloof?

      Koos van Tollen - 2013-05-13 09:42

      Tell us then luckyluke how the muslims in SA have been infiltrating and intimidating everybody. Tell us about the violence committed by muslims in SA on a daily basis. Clearly we should all fear muslims according to you. So tell us why That Hashim Amla is a scary guy indeed

      Brian Enslin - 2013-05-13 09:56

      There is something very strange about this story. I don't believe it. Strangely though if there is some small Afrikaaner right wing group of guys, the police sweep in and always stop an immenint terrorist plot. How did the world's biggest terrorist organisation set up 3 training camps without any action from the government

      Koos van Tollen - 2013-05-13 09:58

      So Jacob. If 1 of the most important rules of Islam is to not kill anybody. If 99% of muslims say that terrorists don't follow Islam but use it as an excuse. Why then do you only hear want you want to hear? Surely you deal with muslims on a day to day basis. So why not base your assumptions about Islam on muslims that you interact with here in SA?

      Eric Jansen Van Vuuren - 2013-05-13 10:24

      If terrorists train on our soil, it could mean that they trained in SA. Therefore it means that they are South African trained. So now the ANC has moved us into a position where millions could die. We could very easily become the next victims of a psychotic american episode. You are useless as a government and not because of colour but creed.

  • Juan Steyn - 2013-05-13 08:34

    So typical South African. Yet another reason to emigrate.

      Stuart Grobbelaar - 2013-05-13 08:50

      Where to? Where the terrorist attacks actually take place? When comparing the levels of unrest, terrorism & war in SA to the majority of countries (including the so-called 1st world nations like the USA, UK)SA seems like a very peaceful place to live.

      trev2 - 2013-05-13 09:09

      @Stuart. SA peaceful?? Go tell that to the people in the middle of the Cape Town gang wars, or to the families of the many murdered farmers.

      Christine van Aswegen - 2013-05-13 10:43

      very sad Juan! just like all the South Africans that ran during the apartheid era, and left the multitude to fight within, when it was all over, they came back proud as punch and claimed their "Home", run Juan!! we don't need chickens here, AlQaheedamembers has been hiding in SA for ages, mixing with our people, the Government knows this, strange hey!! during Nat rule, the ANC and all supporters bayed for sanctions and no funding to "break the government" and they succeeded, do they realise that they are now breaking their own government, because when UK and USA starts, the rest will follow. Good luck to all of us, keep up the good fight!!!

  • CraigJoseph - 2013-05-13 08:34

    What do we expect when we let all and sundry through our borders with impunity? The cops can't sort the crime in this country out so I can guarantee they won't be doing anything about this either.

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-13 09:49

      No wonder our passport is viewed with so much suspicion and we need a visa for every country. Even in other African countries they are suspicious.

      Jeremy Forbes - 2013-05-13 09:51

      It is the reason why SA's lost automatic six month entry into the UK and now need to apply for visas. This news means that we will be viewed even more suspiciously across the world, those last few countries who have not required visas from SA's will now implement it hastily. How much further have we got to fall.

  • Lee Guap - 2013-05-13 08:35

    Aaai..uzozwa!

  • Basil Mackenzie - 2013-05-13 08:36

    Is Vlakplaas not a state-owned property?

      Monique Naude - 2013-05-13 08:48

      I was wondering exactly the same thing now...

      Hein Huyser - 2013-05-13 09:00

      Nope, it was sold for virtually nothing to "an Indian investor" closely connected to the top eschelons of the anc. Now we know who and why. Eish JZ, the truth always will out. When will you have the decency to resign?

      Jess Jayden Smit - 2013-05-13 09:13

      The ANC is behind this for sure. First the Air force base now Vlakplaas! whats next Zumas new Fort that we the tax payer had to pay for?

      Maylani Bezuidenhout - 2013-05-13 09:14

      the Guptas are not Islamists... honestly the sheer stupidity of some commentators!

      Christine van Aswegen - 2013-05-13 10:50

      NOOOO!!! didnt you hear, it was an apartheid property, again! blame it on apartheid!! LOL!

  • Jaco Whoosh Pearson - 2013-05-13 08:39

    Haha, as if terrorists will be able to do more harm to our country than our current government does.

      Maylani Bezuidenhout - 2013-05-13 09:16

      still its kind of embarrassing that foreign powers have to nudge the ANC and tell them to pull their socks up... Useless lot

  • proudlysa - 2013-05-13 08:40

    Wy is Siabonga Cwele so quiet on issues like this and Guptagate? Surely state security being at risk is his responsibility?? Too busy passing a law to prevent reporting on it than stopping it from happening. Bring on the DA, Agang and Cope.....

  • Guy Alain - 2013-05-13 08:40

    SARS must investigate the Guptas as they did to Malema.

      Albert Lubbe - 2013-05-13 08:58

      Instead of threatening taxabiding citisens

  • Carling Blacklabel - 2013-05-13 08:40

    too much admin for the anc to do anything. rather let the uk and us sort it out themselves, to avoid any b@lls up!

  • Jason Thomson - 2013-05-13 08:40

    Oh my God, would this have happened under the old government? Would they have dared try that in SA?

      Jenifer Johnstone - 2013-05-13 09:11

      this would have never happened in the old government .not that i enjoyed the 'nie blankes ' line .but let the truth be told .

      Kortbroek Du Plessis - 2013-05-13 09:36

      Groot krokedil didnt like terrorists.... These guys would have been on the receiving end of one of the death squads long ago.

      Thabang Bonang - 2013-05-13 09:45

      It would have not happened. The old government would have killed AlQaeda but would also kill its own citizens as we all know that they were capable.

      Stuart Lidstone - 2013-05-13 10:01

      No: From the 1960s to the 1980s, South Africa pursued research into weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. Six nuclear weapons were assembled.Before the anticipated changeover to a majority-elected African National Congress government in the 1990s, the South African government dismantled all of its nuclear weapons, the first nation in the world which voluntarily gave up all nuclear arms it had developed itself. Answer: clearly no... If you are willing to save yourself from yourself then you are not willing to allow terrorism to flourish.

      Odirile Seemise - 2013-05-13 10:17

      Why would I fool myself in expecting your kind to help Africans when you daily calling for your Western saviours to come invade SA because of some ao called white genocide you preach daily to anyone foreign, ignorant enough to listen.

      Odirile Seemise - 2013-05-13 10:25

      Africans should stop taking what the USA and media feeds them seriously. Now you guys are turning against Islam people with no valid reason whatsoever. This fear of demonizing people and their believes because we different is not what Africans should be doing because we should know better, the West does it and whites do the same to you!

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-13 11:05

      Bloody American. Actually you don't want to worry about the European Union. All they do is debate the matter till it goes away out of its own.

      Tina Vafias - 2013-05-13 11:11

      @Odrille - I fully agree with you when you say "Now you guys are turning against Islam people with no valid reason whatsoever. This fear of demonizing people and their believes because we different is not what Africans should be doing because we should know better" But then you go onto to demoniszing people yourself when you say this "the West does it and whites do the same to you!" I don't understand what you are trying to say here? - should we demonize people or not?

  • Lee Guap - 2013-05-13 08:41

    Aaai..uzozwa!

  • Truth.nnete - 2013-05-13 08:41

    I mean what will stop them if Guptas can land their plane at a national key point.Zuma has a relationship with Schabir Sheik we should expect things like this.Soon they will test their stuff at our Malls.

      Miaandmu'adth Jacobs - 2013-05-13 08:45

      The guptas aren't muslim..

      Jess Jayden Smit - 2013-05-13 09:18

      Yes Miaandmu, The are not Muslim but they are money hungry so where theirs a buck to make they will take it, be it from drug money that Alcida terrorist gives them or not!

  • mapepaki - 2013-05-13 08:42

    This is terrifying news, I am gobsmacked and cannot believe it. Surely to goodness the world should put extreme pressure on the South African government to close these camps, or is it that the South Africa government condones or does not care what terror happens in the rest of the world.

      Monique Naude - 2013-05-13 08:55

      It is terrifying news indeed. The sad thing is that this government doesn't care what terrors the people of this country face on a daily basis. If they don't care about their own people, they won't care about terrorists coming here to make use of our facilities. Next thing we know, we have US military knocking on our doors...

      Hein Huyser - 2013-05-13 09:05

      Hi M, nope, do not expect them to do it. YOU! YES YOU must put extreme pressure on the anc with your next vote. No options anymore

      mapepaki - 2013-05-13 09:16

      Believe me I AM going to make my vote count.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-13 11:07

      Mapepaki. It isn't terrifying, yet. Wait till American drones start flying over. Then it gets scary.

  • Andrew Selous - 2013-05-13 08:42

    ooooow, if the info bill was law ,someone from the daily maverick was going to jail.

  • Guy Alain - 2013-05-13 08:43

    Al-qaeda derived from Islam. for me they are in the same sauce.

      Wendy Nezar Schmidt - 2013-05-13 09:28

      This is not about religion or race .. stick to the point at hand.

      Jason Thomson - 2013-05-13 09:47

      Totally agree. And couldnt care less what a liberal or a muslim thinks about it...

      Jason Thomson - 2013-05-13 09:53

      Offcourse this is about religion . It doesnt take a genius to see that wherever there is Islam there is all most always Violence. Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Myanmar, Thailand (south) ect. So yes it is about religion.

      Koos van Tollen - 2013-05-13 10:02

      There is violence in every country. You can attribute violence to every race and every religion. So what's your point Jason?

      Bibi van Zyl - 2013-05-13 11:09

      In Africa, 99% of protest, civil wars and terror attacks are funded and fueled by AQ or off shoots of the organisation. Where Islam as a religion is one of peace, I have not heard any moderate Muslim speak out against the atrocities of these wars. In all the African countries I have lived in, I did voluntary work with female victims and children of these attacks. Come to Somalia (where they killed a AQ with a SA passport) and see what Al Shabaab has left for the world to fix, go to Northern Nigeria and look at the terror that Boko Haram instills, Mali... The list is endless.

  • Cebo Ngalonkulu Mcarthur - 2013-05-13 08:47

    M23 rebels training in Limpopo, Gupta Jet landing in Waterkloof Air force base, now Al-Qaeda, our intelligence is useless, we are exposed to Terrorists.

      Hein Huyser - 2013-05-13 09:10

      We are not exposed, this is government sponsored and they are ok with it. After all, they know about it gor years now and have done nothing Silence in condoning

  • Lungelo Nsibande - 2013-05-13 08:48

    Are we safe? Is this true? Is this propaganda reporting?

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 08:54

      Ja ne. These guys were just comming together for a pork braai on a Saturday afternoon.

      Hein Huyser - 2013-05-13 09:14

      No hoax and no April fools joke. It is true that you are a slave to the one you owe money to. Guess who JZ and co owes millions to? They have sold you. Maybe now the average citizen would understand why the anc were so hell bent on the laws to prevent this information to become public. And why they pushed so hard for the secrecy laws. Open your eyes Mr/Mrs Citizen The only way to stop this is with your vote

      mapepaki - 2013-05-13 09:21

      Lungelo Wish I could believe we are safe, its not propaganda. We were just not meant to find out about it.

      Christine van Aswegen - 2013-05-13 11:13

      No!! this was already reported before 9/11, several Islam terrorist was found hiding in SA, I'm not surprised. Phae Rayden, may OUR GOD bless you abundantly, and let you see the light before it's too late.

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 08:48

    Amazing how quick cANCer jumps on some Afrikaner acting suspicious yet allows this going on for 10 years. Hypocrites. Oh, we forget, the threat is to another country. And here the squeal so hard about so-called sovereignity. Hypocrites or plain retarded?

  • Jurgen Eksteen - 2013-05-13 08:48

    Well it is public news now so go get them SA Gov or the USA is going to do it for you ... and they only use drones and missiles to take these out with the added bonus of some civilians in the process.

      Ernica Stanford - 2013-05-13 10:00

      The USA military is the most advanced in the world, and they have had knowledge of this since it's inception. If these people became a problem for them, they would walk into this country, sort the problem out and be gone, without anyone knowing or having a clue as to what happened.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-13 11:32

      ernica Stanford. Well actually we would know because American drones are not particular who they kill. They may even mistake your house as a target.

  • Sisie Indola - 2013-05-13 08:49

    But they will take into custody "the militants" from Congo - oh but wait Al-Qaeda is probably bribing them to turn away, while in the Congo (the Zuma)mines and other holdings are probably in danger and besides have you ever know the Zumas to pay a bribe - they would rather accept them.

  • Ben - 2013-05-13 08:50

    The ANC will let anything go if the price is right.

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 08:51

    NIA: Nothing In Action. ANC: Another National Crises. Hell, will the retardedness ever stop.

  • Johan Steyn - 2013-05-13 08:52

    Typical from our useless goverment!

  • Peace Sol - 2013-05-13 08:54

    All they know is taking bribes and performing sexual acts.

  • Mira Sturmair - 2013-05-13 08:55

    now we know why the bill was passed - sa people if u have not woken up by now, then u will never.......sa people need to stand together and stop this bull with racism and realise the government is useless and its time to vote against them......

      Hein Huyser - 2013-05-13 09:19

      Mira, all this racism bs is just that, bs. The anc cleverly uses BEE and AA to keep the people busy with other things while they plan their own demise in the background Old Stalin tactics

  • Payricia Bull - 2013-05-13 08:57

    Let them use Waterkloof !

  • Indigo Fayth Johnson - 2013-05-13 08:57

    Security officials have been monitoring the training of al-Qaeda militants in South Africa for several years but have not taken any action why are they even called security officials if they can't take action when it comes to matters like this? Clearly we are on our own here, I'm sick of this Government

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 09:01

    Expect the US coming here with a real tactical unit, remember Pakistan and Osama. cANCer government is inept and corrupt, supporting all types of pariah.

  • Bullet Proof - 2013-05-13 09:01

    That's all we need now on top of all, this government is jeopardizing the security of the South African citizens.

  • Ashraaf Fakier - 2013-05-13 09:02

    Not a shred of evidence provided by this reporter. This kind of hype is typical of the kind of fear mongering that brought about the Patriot Act in America. Now it seems this report so soon after the Info Bill was passed in Parliament is similar. Civil liberties the world over are threatened by the new world order that Bush spoke about. From the response garnered below it seems the reporter achieved his objective.

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 09:05

      Where there's smoke...

      Truth.nnete - 2013-05-13 09:06

      You sound upset,plz report at the mosque that we have nothing to do with Bush so they should let us live in peace,plz we are begging you guys.

      TlholoDEE - 2013-05-13 09:22

      @Truth,you making me to laugh by your comments, you sound scared...you don't have to

      Hein Huyser - 2013-05-13 09:23

      So Asaaf, you have not read the bill? You can still print or put something in the open media if it can be substantiated and proven to be correct. Have you read the Daily Maveric? Please do not knee jerk react because this might be a bit close to home. Rather get the right info and then partake on this open forum

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 09:24

      NWO conspiracy # 1: Religion to be used as vehicle to drive NWO. NWO conspiracy # 2: All top members of religious organisations and captains of industry are intrinsically involved in the orchestration of world chaos to usher in NWO. The list goes on and on. One common thread being that religion and it's leaders are part of the conspiracy. Studying history and religion it all seems quite possible.

      Ashraaf Fakier - 2013-05-13 09:40

      Say no more, the unintellectual comments is par for the cause and they follow like sheep. Stereotyping, what has happened to our society. Still a lot of racists and bigots out there I both side of the colour bar. Then you have @hein, the smartass wanting to give lessons to others as only he understand the info bill. Read your constitution and see how it impinges on the BiLL of rights. Similar the Patriot act impinges the 5th Amendment and the 4th amendment. if you know what it is.

      Christine van Aswegen - 2013-05-13 11:26

      Ashraaf, you seem to know alot? educate us minions:-)

  • TlholoDEE - 2013-05-13 09:05

    No to New World Order...

  • Megan Choi - 2013-05-13 09:07

    I have my suspicions about the Burq...sorry, Burger King in Cape town.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-13 11:37

      Megan Choi. Burger King has the best burgers in the world.

  • Jess Jayden Smit - 2013-05-13 09:10

    The ANC at work again. Sure Zuma gets a cut from them so he looks the outer way, Just like the Guptas. No wonder the US & UK don't want to give aid to SA. Wonder what the ANC is going to do if the US comes to bome the crap out of us as well?

      Ami Mzazi - 2013-05-13 10:52

      Very surface comment shows a lack of knowledge on what you talking about, start with a clean slate and use objectivity as the foundation.

  • Omnivore - 2013-05-13 09:11

    hehe... dock rat

  • Raymond Kok - 2013-05-13 09:11

    i totally believe it ,so our lame security organs are too busy fighting to get the info bill trough parliament ,and trying to save face for being incomponent man we are so srewed

  • Musawashe Moyo - 2013-05-13 09:12

    Just in case the west dump SA, Al Qaeda will be there for Zuma

  • Kortbroek Du Plessis - 2013-05-13 09:12

    I hope the yanks invade Sa and rid us of these terrorist and the cANCER government while they are at it. Luckily our army is so useless they can invade in the morning and have the job done by tea time.

      Wendy Nezar Schmidt - 2013-05-13 09:30

      I think the yanks have enough problems of their own .. and enough dirt .. they don't need to come here to make more ..

  • Jack Tig - 2013-05-13 09:15

    Well, since you already let them start let them continue because they probarbly have bombs planted in malls around the country just in case we decide to kick them out one day. Government is playing with our lifes. There are probarbly worse things we dont know that are happening. Sick of this!!!!! They are probarbly also close friensds of Zuma.

  • Dumisani Peter Ramasehla - 2013-05-13 09:17

    I am not suprised that they don't do anything,it has become their norm to be in denial of threatining situations.

  • Wendy Nezar Schmidt - 2013-05-13 09:24

    Wonder who is getting paid off for "just ignoring" the situation?

  • Ntate Masoba A Dieta - 2013-05-13 09:24

    I must say for starters that all the comments here are valid and it shows a caring community, firstly iam pretty sure that there must be a good reason for our government to turn a blind eye on those activities performed by these people we can't speculate all we need is an explanation from the top branches and I believe they pose a threat to human civilization otherwise we wouldn't deploy people to keep an eye on them.I remember during the 9/11 catastrophe in USA that it was 'claimed' that there was a call or 2 from SA to one of the terrorist, the point is that there is a huge concern that terrorists are using SA as a hide out and taking advantage of their laws, I agree with Bhekubaba that there must be a debate on the issue.

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 09:29

      And while we're at it, let us throw our arms open to every tsotsie and pariah we can possibly find.

  • Nandipha Zonela - 2013-05-13 09:25

    Wonder why would such information be in the media?

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 09:27

    New World Order, here we come...

  • Doreen Gough - 2013-05-13 09:29

    I know the journalist - be careful of what you read

      Ami Mzazi - 2013-05-13 10:02

      Heard him speak(atleast attempting to) on the radio this morning and I leave room for descretion.

  • Leon Smith - 2013-05-13 09:29

    But the Guptas own the country, why will the incompetent homosapiens running this hell hole do anything about it?

  • Chule Qalase - 2013-05-13 09:31

    am not surprised at all by the US, and with thier strong intelligence, innocent people's blood is being spilled all over the places where they suspected terrorists.Where ever they went eve this hour people are getting killed even on thier backyards people are getting killed. Good response SA, we dont need their lies, that will leave families destroyed in the name of false freedom.

  • TlholoDEE - 2013-05-13 09:33

    People need to learn that the New World Order would be headed by Catholicism,the pope being the supreme...Church and state will unite and the papacy will revive its persecution to God's people.

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-13 09:33

    What's new. cANCer supports ALL pariah.

      Ami Mzazi - 2013-05-13 10:28

      Know why you so emotional about this one and try to feel for you and retain some level of objectivity but you make really hard Cane.

  • Ushir Sahdao - 2013-05-13 09:33

    Last year the SSA received R4billion funding. There is no accountability or transparency in its operations. Former head is Moe Shaik. The only thing that this organisation is known for is the pushing of the info bill into practice. Another mess up for SA with ANC trademarks.

  • Marc Thomas - 2013-05-13 09:36

    r u serious ??? is SA now a haven for terrorists as well ?? seriously wth is wrong with this government ??? We seem to be allowing all sorts of krap into our country ...Seems SA is not for people that actually works and lives here but all other messed up stuff benefits here .. how can this evens be allowed ????