All but one dead miner from SA - Chabane

2012-08-21 17:03

Rustenburg - All 34 Lonmin mineworkers killed in a clash with police have been identified, Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane said on Tuesday.

"All the bodies have been identified. One is a foreign national," he said.

He said efforts had been made to contact the Lesotho national's family with regards to his burial.

Last week, the platinum mining company's rock drill operators in Marikana embarked on a protest that saw 10 people, including two security guards and two police officers, killed.

The protests culminated in clashes with the police on Thursday, in which 34 miners were shot dead, more than 70 injured and 260 arrested.

Chabane said the ministerial committee had met religious organisations and traditional organisations in a bid to bring the situation in Wonderkop to normal.

"We have met all stakeholders and there is progress."

The protests were believed to be linked to rivalry between the National Union of Mineworkers and the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union over recognition agreements at the mine.

Workers also wanted higher pay.

  • Claudia_Meads - 2012-08-21 17:19

    Slightly off topic - but just for the record: FROM SAPA, Lonmin confirmed to Sapa that rock drill operators earn R10,000 per month without bonuses and over R11,000 including bonuses. “Lonmin signed a two-year agreement in 2011, and the second increase becomes effective on 1 October 2012 and will run until 30 September 2013, when a new deal will need to be negotiated,” the company said. “These levels are in line with those of our competitors and are before the wage hike of some 9% which will come into effect on 1 October 2012.” If the increase applied the compensation package would be between R11,000 and R12,000 per month cost to company.

      kim.buren - 2012-08-21 17:24

      So what they rioting for? Think they have seen what Showerhead earns !!

      Lacrimose - 2012-08-21 17:31

      Thanks Claudia. I knew all these numbers being bandied about were suspect. So now, what did these guys die for then really? Now it really doesn't make sense

      paul.lotter - 2012-08-21 17:33

      and i know of people who studied for 6 years to obtain a masters degree and some of them only earn R12 000 a month starting

      kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-21 17:35

      Well done Claudia...This puts a little poo in the faces of the inspiring politicians.Now it becomes clearer that the real brass tax of this issue was the rabble rousing Union in the name of AMCU !

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-21 17:40

      @Claudia I would like to believe that you have not working on CTC before. That means they are ripping miners far too much, someone with a CTC of R10000 per month can't pay that much tax. Please note that it is a fact that some miners take home R4500, so I can conclude the rest is deduction there is no subsidy of whatsoever from Lonmin, It means there is not medical aid for employees that explains why they are not admitted to public hospital. It means they contribute towards their pension without any contribution made by their employer. Don't just hear 10k, but think about the way it is structured. I am sure they don't even have a choice of those so called benefits

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-21 17:44

      @paul well that will depend on those people's choice of career. But one think for sure they are not working in a risky environment like the miners do, and I bet those people could not even if they had to starve could not trade their job to work underground, that is where the difference is

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-08-21 17:52

      12K??? Geesh i know a lot of people who will work for 12K a month... I know the working conditions aren't the greatest but to get paid 12K for Labour work isn't bad at all... - 2012-08-21 18:01

      You are really a sick puppy Claudia and a pure racist.What Lonmin confirmed and what those miners earned are not the same.You should ask the miners themselves how much they really earn instead of spreading your lies here.Jeez people like you just makes sick. Yes the miners were dangerous and should not have been armed but that does not mean you should try to spread unconfirmed lies about how much they earn.People like you always want to justify corporate greed just because the workers of a different hue from you.I really wonder why GOD created racists like you amongst us normal people.And to think that you a woman,you are completely heartless and incapable of any human compassion.

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-21 18:11

      Below is from a mining website.

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-21 18:12

      Oh and Claudia your comment is absolutely rubbish, in 2011 the average mine worker earned R2800pm.

      pyn.appel - 2012-08-21 18:14

      Gee xboxs, Claudia did not say anything racial she stated something from SAPA !!!! You are the racist here, you are the one attacking based on race, Claudia said nothing about race!

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-21 18:19

      @michael that sounds about right, the only time Claudia comment could make sense is if they are deducting all those so called benefits(injury on duty,pension fund,medical aid) from the miners 12k CTC without contributing anything as a company

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-21 18:25

      yeah im sorry I just cannot fathom how someone who earns R11000pm as the article says, lives in a shack with no water or a toilet, and also has to move out of the hostle because they cannot afford R1000pm. Mr. Gideon du Plessis was in charge of getting the average salaries in this article... im just speechless, but I won't say why.

      kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-21 18:26

      For those refuting Claudias post go read... or

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-21 18:31

      Oh Kevin we have all read those articles, what we are saying is that it is BS. The men that are striking are NOT earning R11000pm, PERIOD.

      kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-21 18:45

      @Michael I understood this to be verified and if you are right then Lonmins share price should crash.Please offer a verified source as the posts I gave reference refutes and did read the post you refernced.Maybe we are on a different page as I am on the subject of Rock Drillers only.

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-21 18:57

      @kevin we did see that article and it does not contain information explaining why the people earning that kind of amount are taking home so less. I got no doubt that one employee might be costing a company 10k, but that does not mean s/he is earning it. They could even be charging them for uniform,etc. I mean where is the rest of it or is taken by the agents. Someone must explain, instead of making a blanket statement like that.

      kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-21 19:28

      kevin.pitzer - August 21, 2012 at 19:18 Report commentComments Policy @jackie I am sure any deductions are within legal parameters.I could not imagine an internationally listed company with stated corporate values crossing their line of ethics as this will be suicide.The fact is this whole unfortunate saga is about Rock Drillers and not sweepers or cleaners.It is about right from wrong and it is about political or unpolitical thug interference and it is not about what appears on the surface.These simple people lost life because of being used as pawns in a power struggle and not because they worked for bucks.AMCU needs to get there asses burned,I rest my case as will not answer to anymore obvious trolling.

  • jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-21 17:24

    I understand that they were wrong in caring weapons or rather to be engaged in a violent protest.Well it is a fact that policemen were protecting themselves, and although I did not have a relative there, I am still shocked by they way they have been shot. I really would not want to see one of my relative been shot at like that. But it is life what can I say.

      Fefekazi Fefe Fodo - 2012-08-21 17:36

      i still say they were to quick to fire, not all necessary basic measures were taken. wouldnt cry much it they were killed with rubber bullets coz seemingly they do as in d case of tatane nevertheless my condolonces r extended to d families affected

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-21 17:54

      @Fefekazi as it can be seen here The police were shot at first, but I still believe they could handled the situation differently. Maybe shooting one or two people(and not shooting to kill) and not just randomly. I am sure police fired at least 100 rounds combined but killed 34, which means if they were adequately training they could have killed hundreds and hundreds based on the number of rounds fired. Well but maybe it does not matter how criminals are killed, but I would not take it even it my family was a criminal and was killed like that

  • bonga.mabongela - 2012-08-21 17:51

    where is humanity if our people a killing each other like this .and the a those who make fun of such thing ...mayibuye africa

      hein.huyser - 2012-08-21 22:28

      @bonga, for once put yourself in the shoes of the policemen. What would you do if you were a cop and 1000snds of panga wielding men ran up to you? Do you for one moment think they came to exchange addresses? This whole mess I lay at the feet of Malema and friends. Watch this space, they are at the root of the problem, and only the start of much worse things to come if that little Idi Amin keeps on getting his way with the uninformed masses. Like it or not, but since Malema appeared on the scene, politics turned ugly in SA. We don't need him. Not then and not ever

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