Alleged killer mom 'pregnant again'

2012-02-09 10:49

Bloemfontein - A clearly pregnant Venolia Siwa, 35, appeared in the Pampierstad magistrate’s court on Wednesday on five charges of murder following the deaths of her young children, as her legal representative complained that she had been locked up alone “in her condition” and had no one to talk to.

Siwa’s legal representative, Albert Buthelezi, from Legal Aid SA, responded to a question by Magistrate Jan Britz by refusing to talk about Siwa’s “condition” and saying she didn’t want it made public.

But behind her, the gallery was buzzing with talk about her pregnancy.

Prosecutor Lebo Mashilo handed in the psychological report from the Weskoppies hospital in Pretoria, after which the defence immediately rejected it.

Buthelezi said the report had not been written on an official letterhead.


“It is not clear who wrote it and what qualifications the person has. We are not convinced of the contents of the report.

“The report also differs from the observations of the Wes-Einde Psychiatric Hospital in Kimberley. This report was compiled shortly after her arrest in October last year,” said Buthelezi.

This report found that Siwa, 35, suffered from acute psychosis. She apparently answered questions incoherently, hallucinated and apparently heard voices.

Buthelezi and Advocate Nzame Skibi of Legal Aid SA in Mahikeng would subpoena the doctors and writers of the report to testify in court. The trial was postponed to Monday.

Siwa’s bail application was also postponed indefinitely pending the issue of the report from the psychologist from Weskoppies.

Siwa allegedly poisoned her children, aged 13, 10, 5, 4 and 2, on October 17 last year, before trying to commit suicide.

The children were apparently drowned in buckets of water in their home. Some of the children had been stabbed to death.

An informed source told reporters on Wednesday that Siwa had spent ten days in Rustenburg before the alleged murders. Then she returned to Pampierstad. She apparently fetched the children from school on the day of the incident because she wanted to return to Rustenburg.

  • Irma - 2012-02-09 10:52

    Take the child away immediately once it's born.

      Jerolan - 2012-02-09 11:13

      Agree. No matter what the outcome it is clear she in an unfit mother

      Shanelle - 2012-02-09 11:19

      Then sterilize her!

      Janice - 2012-02-09 11:49

      Yes honestly, she surely wont be allowed to keep it!!!

      Albert - 2012-02-09 11:51

      Hearing voices? Must be the devil talking.

      GonA - 2012-02-09 14:45

      @Shanelle - "Sterilisation" is too good for her.... Death penalty...

      edward.d.beesley - 2012-02-09 14:48

      Sterilize her? Exterminate her!!

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-09 14:55

      ...And execute the mom immediately after the newborn has been taken away. She will kill again and the SA courts sadly do not know how to deal with cold blooded killers.

      yolie.Landa - 2012-02-09 15:44


      Tanya - 2012-02-09 15:57

      reminds me of a similar story in Malaysia They incubated the baby and hung the mother Baby survived

      lehlohonolo.nkalai - 2012-02-10 08:51

      My question is, who keeps screwing her? Ha ba tshabe ho shwa?

  • Henning - 2012-02-09 10:57

    Has this woman never heard of contraception, someone please educate this monster!! People like her should never be allowed to reproduce.

      Michelle - 2012-02-09 11:41

      She should be made to have a total histerectomy once this poor child is born and taken away. She will kill this child, there's no doubt!!

      Jacqui - 2012-02-09 14:26

      she's clearly mentally disturbed - I actually feel sorry for her in some ways because she obviously does not know any better. However, I agree she should be sterilised and the new baby must be removed at birth and put up for adoption.

  • Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-02-09 10:57

    Burn & Rot in HELL BxxxH! That's all she deserves..

  • Gerhard - 2012-02-09 11:05

    Were the children poisoned, drowned or stabbed? Come on News24 editors!!!! How could you allow reporting like this? As for the woman: remove her from society for life.

      Marius - 2012-02-09 13:18

      Hi Gerhard, As far as I can remember the poison didn't work quickly enough so she drowned them. Don't know about the stabbing though.

  • modumo - 2012-02-09 11:06

    #SMH/Hands on head/whistling.....I cant believe after what she has done she is pregnant again...people like this should not be allowed to have kids. When this child is born they might be taken away and then they become an extra mouth to feed somewhere else or to the tax payer....SMH

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-09 15:02 you think we should better do the unborn in aswell before it becomes an extra mouth to feed..... Maybe you should be kept uder observation as well. You sound like the type that might help the mother to be murderer.....

  • Shirley - 2012-02-09 11:08

    Sterilize her,lock her in a padded cell and throw away the key! When will this country start enforcing laws to protect the INNOCENT and punish the guilty! This monster must never be released again@

      GonA - 2012-02-09 14:47

      I still say, "sterilisation" is too good... death penalty sounds better!

      Dianne - 2012-05-30 12:41

      Death penalty......she is an oxygen thief who does not deserve to share the planet with us.

  • ChatterBox - 2012-02-09 11:15

    Take the child away immediately once it's born and sterilize this individual PLEASE!!!!

  • Koos - 2012-02-09 11:16

    geeezzee..... breeding like a rabbit is an understatement here!!

  • Terry - 2012-02-09 11:23

    have her sterilized and please give the unborn the chance to live and not be murdered as the other children,she was blessed with 5 that she murdered why should she ever be allowed to have more.

      GonA - 2012-02-09 14:48

      Agreed. Some people can not even have 1... She deserves the death penalty!!

  • Robsschele - 2012-02-09 11:24

    If you can see the pregnancy now then she was pregnant when she killed her other children in mid October. Unless she was raped by a nurse while she was in Wes-einde in Kimberley.

      Suzanne - 2012-02-09 11:40

      Which means that the poison she took in an attempt to commit suicide, might have affected the foetus negatively.... She might not have killed this one, but she might have now hindered it from ever having a normal life.

      Schmee - 2012-02-09 13:56

      Wouldn't be surprised if she was raped by a nurse. Far too many cases like that lately.

  • Marcia van der Kyk - 2012-02-09 11:39

    clearly der is smthng rong with a woman to commit such a brutal crime,myb she nids help n must b kept away frm da society n da unborn bby once da bby z born!

      Moi - 2012-02-09 11:54

      Is it really that hard to use complete, proper words when posting a comment???

      David - 2012-02-09 12:08

      She sounds just like you, uneducated

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-09 12:09

      I am inclined to agree with you Marcia van der Kyk. There must be something psychologially wrong with the woman. She must be suffering from a mental illness. How can you kill five children and make ready to bring another one into the world. It defies logic.

      Willem - 2012-02-09 12:25

      Who writes like that?

      Goldie - 2012-02-09 12:27

      Dear Marcia Please go back to school to understand the role of spelling and grammar in conveying a written message. Unless, of course, you were not writing your statement in English - in which case I apologise.

      Bruce - 2012-02-09 13:05

      Please learn some English before your opinion in print!

      Suzanne - 2012-02-09 13:06

      My word.... Is this the type of spelling our poor teachers have to put up with these days? MY English teacher would've KILLED me!

      Schmee - 2012-02-09 13:57

      LOL Lana-May were you so shocked that you couldn't spell the word correctly? :D

      celeste.rsa - 2012-02-09 14:02

      This seems to be the 12th official language in SA. Even on Facebook posts, it's only South Africans that use this weird lingo - guess they're trying to be 'cool' or 'gangsta', but it makes them look really ignorant and uneducated!

      GonA - 2012-02-09 14:50

      Stop writing in "code" this is not a place to write like a 14 year old. Come on!

      Eric - 2012-02-09 15:10

      Who cares about the damn spelling. Focus on the issue at hand. Are you lot saying if a person speaks a language other than english they must be able to write in queen's english. So write in xhosa etc. and then we will see grammar mistakes. Stick to the topic

      Moi - 2012-02-10 06:46

      It's not the spelling that's an issue. We all make spelling mistakes. How hard is it to write out the full word? If you can type "da", surely "the" isn't impossible? And no, English is not my first language either.

      Chantelle - 2012-02-10 08:26

      o my word.... please take the keyboard... and smack yourself in the face with it... right now...

  • Su - 2012-02-09 11:48

    Bring back the death penalty and include the father whom i feel is just as guilty! Reproduction is not perpetuated by one person alone and therefore contraception is also both party's responsibility. And where the hell is Pampierstad anyway? Send them condoms. Maybe the MP responsible for sending health care to Pampierstad should hang too?

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-09 15:09

      Su my guess is that if you want the 'father' to suffer as well you might stir something like mass killing.... It is VERY unlikely that one father was involved

  • Anthony - 2012-02-09 11:50

    Have a child, collect the grant, child gets too expensive to support, kill the child...have another child, collect the grant...Cold Blooded Murder

  • Snoopsy - 2012-02-09 12:06

    Dis mos maklik om net te broei en te vermoor sodra jy moeg raak vir die kinders!

  • william - 2012-02-09 12:07

    This dispicable individual must be taken out of society indefinitely!!!!!!

      GonA - 2012-02-09 14:51

      Fully agree with you !!

  • Lana-May - 2012-02-09 12:15

    This woman makes me sick!

  • godesha - 2012-02-09 12:17

    I am speachless. I hope they take this baby away after birth and sterilise her immediately too. What is wrong with her????

  • Yolanda - 2012-02-09 12:20

    This woman is not mentally fit to be a mother. And i don't understand how she was released on bail and allowed to roam the streets and make more babies. Shocking really, just feeling absolutely sad for the unborn child who is coming into this world to be greeting by a mother who definately doesn't love or want him/her.

  • Ziggie - 2012-02-09 12:26

    WTF, sew her closed or cut it off!!!~

  • Rene - 2012-02-09 12:27

    have her steralized!!!!

  • Moi - 2012-02-09 12:31

    There are many couples out there that want children but are unable to have any. I'm sure that there are plenty that would jump at the chance of adopting a new born. As least then the child will have loving, caring parents.

  • Rossellini - 2012-02-09 12:33

    She really need rehab...supervision...therapy.

      Danielle - 2012-02-09 12:43

      I'm sorry- I don't think anyone who is so severely mentally ill, that they would kill their own children can be saved by rehab or therapy!

  • arlene.flynn3 - 2012-02-09 12:44

    what sick person stabs their children, she should be hung! She shouldnt be allowed to even see the child she is pregnant with!! disgusting!

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-09 12:51

    Lol men and sex, who keeps impregnating this pshyco...

  • Africa - 2012-02-09 12:51

    Please just give me 5 minutes alone with this woman..... AGGGGG!! There are hundereds of babies waiting to be adopted in South Africa, why would this one be any different. The poor little thing will probably land up in a childrens home.

  • Nicholas - 2012-02-09 12:56

    Murdering her children seems to be her form of contraception. She should have been sterilized years ago.

  • Lauren de Vos - 2012-02-09 13:07

    So tragic for this baby. I hope she will be sterilized after the birth of this child. I often wonder why women have so many children when they can't take care of them.

  • Annerie - 2012-02-09 13:09

    "Ruk uit en Plak toe darie gat!!!!!" WTF is wrong with this women????

  • Liezl - 2012-02-09 13:51

    Maybe her family can also start to pray for relief from all the evil spirits... Seeing it has impregnated her (again).. It is her human right to have more children?? Isn't it?? Heaven knows what has happened to the rights of all the children that fell victim to her madness.

  • Christopher - 2012-02-09 13:56

    Hopefully she has a natural birth...then complications arrive, the baby lives she dies!

  • Schmee - 2012-02-09 14:01

    If she fell pregnant after she killed the other kids then my question is who the heck sleeps with something like that? The man is just as mad as what she seems to be.

  • Lufuno - 2012-02-09 14:20

    We need a 1-2 kids policy in South Africa, like China has, so that we can control people who don't know what "contraceptives" are. If they are failing to use condoms, then sterillize them. There's lots of women out there who are struggling to have children, and some stupid person goes out and breeds everywhere and murders the kids. I can't even afford to have kids because I know how expensive they are...

      palesa.manyeli - 2012-09-06 13:18

      So ppl who want more than 1 child and can love and take care of their kids should suffer due to ppl like this woman? It won't be fair at all

  • JayJohnsonS - 2012-02-09 14:27

    Take the child away immediately once it's born

  • anthro45 - 2012-02-09 14:29

    Like rats I tell you. They breed like rats.

      Shanelle - 2012-02-09 15:58

      Who is "they"?

  • Tracy - 2012-02-09 14:37

    She should be sterilised. And they must remove the baby at birth. What's wrong with this country - this is such a cruel inhumane thing that she has done.

      Schmee - 2012-02-09 14:42

      One dickhead does not make a country. Oh wait seems it is out of hand.

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  • Eric - 2012-02-09 15:13

    If it is proved that she is mentally unstable then I would like to know what the father/s thought of her mental state when they with her. surely he/they would pick up there is something wrong with the woman.

  • IZAAN.STEENKAMP - 2012-02-09 15:26

    OMW!!!!!!How do you sleep after doing things like this to your own children are you human you stupid fool, you are not the name mother worthy ever. Stop popping out babies and when you feel they are a burden to you ,you start killing them may God have mercy on you poor soul.

      Zion - 2012-02-10 07:20

      People who are psychotics do not display the normal attitude sand feelings like those that are normal. Their outlook on life is very different to how we see it. The emotions are like a stirred up vegetable soup.

  • Randhir - 2012-02-09 15:49

    How did she get pregnant again???

      palesa.manyeli - 2012-09-06 13:16

      She had sex

  • witbeen - 2012-02-09 15:51

    Lol men and sex, who keeps impregnating this pshyco...

  • Belinda - 2012-02-09 15:57

    the word "rabbit" comes to mind

      braamc - 2012-02-09 17:53

      as well as cheap whore and murderer

  • Silvana - 2012-02-09 16:19

    Poor unborn child. Doesn't know what's waiting for him. I just hope they don't let her keep him.

  • Dudley - 2012-02-09 16:30

    God's mistake ... allowing pro-creation only through people able to 1) financially bring up children and 2) love and protect them .... the world is too full of uncaring parents and neglected / street children. Please think then think again then think again and again before you f*** without a condom : Bringing kids into this world without 1 and 2 is the greatest injustice you can do to a child.

  • braamc - 2012-02-09 17:40

    Nothing but a cheap whore

  • cruywagen - 2012-02-09 17:43

    I cant read this. It is heartbreaking.

  • Rebaone - 2012-02-09 18:06

    The woman is a harbitual killer of her own children therefore she should be sterilized because taking the child away from her will amount to cruel practice and will be inhuman as a child needs the mother.

  • Sharon - 2012-02-09 18:53

    she must be related to malemmer

  • crismoyo - 2012-02-09 21:42

    Were all the five children from one father? The children's father(s) can provide useful information about ths lady.

  • Richard - 2012-02-10 05:47

    Another one intended to die?

  • Vivian - 2012-02-10 07:16

    Sterilize this evil woman, or give her the death penalty....