Anger over Cele’s Jesus comment

2011-04-04 13:20

Johannesburg - Christians must take a stand against blasphemy after national police commissioner General Bheki Cele reportedly likened the SA Police Service to Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles, the Christian Democratic Party (CDP) said on Monday.

"It is only as churches hammer home the message that their members should not encourage the ANC by voting for them that this blasphemy will cease," CDP leader Theunis Botha said in a statement.

Beeld reported on Saturday that Cele said that if even Jesus and God had criminals in their midst, it was to be expected that there would be criminals in the 193 000-strong police force.

Botha said it was clear that President Jacob Zuma and his cronies were not getting the message that Christians took offence to comments using the Christian faith in statements about the ANC and government institutions.

"The latest remarks from General Bheki Cele comparing the [SA Police Service] with Jesus and His disciples sends out the message of someone who is set on offending Christians," he said.

‘A criminal among the apostles’

Cele was quoted in Beeld as saying: "Jesus Christ had an organisation of 12 people... among those 12 there was a criminal who sat with Jesus every day."

He was speaking at a ceremony for the handing over of police cars in Pretoria on Friday.
"Even when Jesus berated him [Judas], he denied that it was him who was a criminal.

"In the Garden of Eden, there were two people. God Himself did an inspection every morning. One day, He could not find them. They were hiding, because they had committed a crime," he said.

"If you will find criminals amongst two people, then you will find criminals in an organisation with 193 000 members," Cele said.

Cele's spokesperson Nonkululeko Mbatha could not immediately be reached for comment.

Beeld reported that in the past seven months, 254 police in Gauteng have been arrested for alleged involvement in robberies and corruption.

Previous blasphemous complaints

Crime Intelligence boss Richard Mdluli and some of his colleagues were arrested last week for their alleged involvement in a murder committed in the late 1990s.

Cele's biblical comparison is not the first to be used in South African politics.

President Jacob Zuma was criticised before the last election in 2009 for saying that the ANC would rule until Jesus comes.

In 2008, a provincial ANC leader likened Zuma's suffering in the then corruption case against him to what Jesus had gone through.

Earlier this year, Zuma said a vote for the ANC was to choose heaven, while a vote for the opposition amounted to choosing hell.

This drew rebukes from opposition parties, church groups and other bodies. Some described the remarks as blasphemous.

The ANC at the time dismissed the criticism as childish.

  • K@K Praat? - 2011-04-04 13:27

    TSHEPO!!!! Please Help Us OUt HERE !!!

      michaelp1 - 2011-04-04 14:35

      You can also call on 'The Polio Donkey'!!

  • nonduplume - 2011-04-04 13:30

    This guy hasn't got all his marbles and should spend some time in Groendakkies......but then again he is not disimilar to Zuma who also has an issue with the ANC and Christianity. It would be quite laughable if it were not so stupid and sad.

      TheUgly - 2011-04-07 16:12

      It's simple statistics. 99% of the black community is of christian faith. Their using Jesus's name to win votes. Blatantly satanic if you ask me.

  • daaivark - 2011-04-04 13:31

    Jeez people are so closed. I do not for one second think Cele is worth much, but this is not what he did. He did not "compare" the SAPS to Christ or any such thing. He simply indicated that even the apostles came from imperfect backgrounds. The rampant paranoia of these so-called "Christians" which leads them to place these absurd interpretations on things is just laughable and a stark indicator of how wobbly their faith is.

      mark59 - 2011-04-04 15:41

      I agree with your point of view on your thoughts of Cele, but go easy on the fact of christians and wobbly faith.

  • DW - 2011-04-04 13:31

    What is the ANC's obsession with Christianity (for an organisation that is so blatantly anti Christian principles)? Please start using Islam or Bhuddism or some other religion for your comparisons. They will either not be offended or might take some real "action" against your statements.

      Tantrum - 2011-04-04 13:40

      And leave the majority of whites alone? Never. I don't think he knows enough about the others to comment and don't think he has the ability to learn anything ....

      daaivark - 2011-04-04 13:50

      @ Tantrum. What has this to do with "whites" or "blacks"? Neither the comment or the article talks about those issues.

      disturbedmikey - 2011-04-04 14:45

      its because most Christians don't support anc policy dw. the laws they have made etc abortion to name one you must, 18 to drink yet you can be 14 to have a abortion without, parents consent really sad that he has to target jesus followers..

      OzzyInSA - 2011-04-04 14:58

      @disturbedmikey, true Christians do not support any political party as they know the origins of them.

  • Lump of coal - 2011-04-04 13:34

    C'mon Cele, say something crude about Mohammed ..... I DARE YOU !!!!!

      Rajty - 2011-04-04 13:45

      Why should he...isn't Cele a Christian. And what was crude about his remarks...all things come from god...good and bad.

      Jacques Jones - 2011-04-04 13:53

      they will go all al-queda on his a$$

      The Observer - 2011-04-04 13:58

      Rajty. He can't be a christian. You can't be a crhistain and believe in the tokelosh

      Slapper - 2011-04-04 14:08

      He might be stupid and continuously act the Clown, butt..... he is not that stupid.

      JOHNNYBRAVO - 2011-04-04 14:16

      no lump of coal, cele aint THAT stupid! his bosses [the real ones! are all muslims!]

      NuttyZA - 2011-04-04 14:26

      @The Observer...Don't be ridiculous... ALL christians believe in the Tokolosh, you just call him Satan

      K@K Praat? - 2011-04-04 15:04

      LOL!!! That would produce a great result!

      yttocs69 - 2011-04-04 15:38

      Shit ..I'll have to get more bricks tonight

      The Observer - 2011-04-04 16:49

      NuttyZA - Rather Shush, you gonna fall over writing such crap. Satan and Tokolosh is not the same thing.

      NuttyZA - 2011-04-04 19:20

      Both fictional evil characters... they sound about the same to me...

  • Mango - 2011-04-04 13:34

    Silly man to compare these things. There is a huge difference between crime and sin. So he means when these criminals in the police force are caught, they will be forgiven? I guess so.

      daaivark - 2011-04-04 13:51

      No-one was comparing. READ!

  • Krush - 2011-04-04 13:36

    What do you expect from a communist party?

      daaivark - 2011-04-04 13:51

      WHAT? !!!

      Opinionated - 2011-04-04 14:38

      Hahaha, do you even know what communism means? Shame

  • BOY30 - 2011-04-04 13:37

    I am a christian and i dont take offence of what Cele said. Cele himself is christian. Other people think they are more christians than others. we all have a right to use the name Jesus. There is no monopoly over this name. If i use this name in a wrong way i will answer to god, not any other person who thinks he is god's right hand man.

      The Observer - 2011-04-04 14:16

      Well as a Christian you should know that if you do not correct a person who is using His name in vain that you are also guilty. I’m not even that big on faith and I know it. Some Christian you are.

      FatMole - 2011-04-04 14:37

      I though Jesus WAS Gods right hand man

      hellhound - 2011-04-04 14:40

      you so right they over donig the name of jesus although the commandment say thou shall not use GOD'S name in vain but does anyone know the true name of GOD and THAT IS A BIG FAT NO

      OzzyInSA - 2011-04-04 15:11

      @hellbound, Psalm 83:18 gives an English translation of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton.

      mark59 - 2011-04-04 15:28

      Dear BOY30, you spell God with a capital letter.

      Meanleader - 2011-04-04 16:59

      boy30. Wow.... There is a text where it says that you should not use the Lord's name in vain . Heard of it ? Now , in your valuable opinion , is not the comparison of criminals to Jesus , the vain use of His name ? Sory , but I couldn't put it more simply ! Anyway , back to work , the car windows are waiting !

  • IandI - 2011-04-04 13:37

    The difference is that only 1 of 12 disciples was on the take. Here in RSA it seems 8 out of 10 could be on the take. I could ask Cele for stats on corrupt police(those who were caught), but there are probably many more who get away with it,as shown by the Intelligence top brass currently before court.Some are best friends with local mafiosi, finish and klaar.

      BOY30 - 2011-04-04 14:14

      Cele is not saying is right for police officer to commit crime. All he is saying is that this doesnt start now. It has always been there. It was wrong of Judas to do what he did to Jesus, it was wrong of Adam and Eve to do god told them not to do, it is wrong for police to be corrupt and it is wrong of you to steal your employer's time and sit on news24. Wrong is wrong irrespective of does it.

      Meanleader - 2011-04-04 17:08

      I beg to differ boy30 . THIS LEVEL OF CORRUPTION was never here before you and you troop got given this country . This is a WORLD RECORD in police corruption . People in this country will talk to criminals , but not to cops ... they are rotten to the core ! Would you really believe that your ANC is less corrupt than the previous Police ?

  • Tantrum - 2011-04-04 13:42

    What do you expect from somebody that still prays to his forefathers?

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 14:12

      The irony! It burns!

      The Observer - 2011-04-04 14:28


  • CapeTownJunk - 2011-04-04 13:42

    Blasphemy is not a crime. Fortunately for General Bheki Cele, making ridiculous terrible analogies is not a crime either. This whole story, and the artificial stink being generated around it by easily-offended people with nothing better to do, are two reasons why religion is best kept out of the public eye. Religion is nothing more than a divisive minefield, and fortunately its grip on humanity is lessening in modern enlightened societies.

      Jacques Jones - 2011-04-04 13:58

      yes it's losing it's grip but it's being replaced by modern religions parading under the alias as 'enlightened societies'

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 14:16

      CTJ, true. It is so funny to see religions parading in public (the ACDP is in Parliament) and crying foul when they are made to look foolish in the same public sphere. Special pleading.

      The Observer - 2011-04-04 14:28

      Then why comment. Some people are big on Religion. People go to war because of it. Now if you are not religious that is your issue. Others might be and take offence when their religion is made a mockery off. I agree on one point if you are not religious refrain from talking about religion.

      hellhound - 2011-04-04 14:43

      like Karl marx said that religion is the food for the mass and it is not fullfilling

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 14:52

      Why, exactly Observer, should we not comment? These things are said and done in the public sphere. Are the non-religious supposed to shut up about matters in the public sphere? Cele and the ACDP put this matter squarely in the public eye and I should shut up? Are only believers allowed to comment? BECAUSE people go to war about their religion I have a duty to speak out. Do you think their wars only affect believers? When the bullets start flying and the bombs go off, do you think non-believers are spared? When secular matters are discussed, do believers shut up? Do they keep their opinions private? Some more special pleading.

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-04-04 15:29

      What Spoedvark said.

      The Observer - 2011-04-04 16:54

      Spoedvark - I'm merely stating that these politicians(and any other person for that matter) should refrain from making comments about peoples religion which is upsetting to those religious people. Now if a religious person pushes his religion down your thought by all means shut him up.

      Meanleader - 2011-04-04 17:41

      Spoedvark .. the outcry was because of religious types getting offended . If you are not religious , then why comment , save for mocking the religious . You hypothetical war is imaginary , because Christians havn't made war for hundreds of years . You dragged this comparison a long distance to make it fit .

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 18:02

      But christians have been burning little children with acid because they are "witches." Should the politicians shut up because it is "upsetting" somebody's religious feelings, Observer? Shall I keep quiet about FGM because it is somebody's "culture" or "religion"? I agree that Cele is a twit deserving of ridicule, but so are the religious who cannot stand their precious religion being subjected to a bit of scrutiny and their double standards being pointed out in public. If you require the politicians to shut up about religion, religion should shut up about politics. Meanleader, Observer pointed out that "Some people are big on Religion. People go to war because of it." Observer talked about religion in general (as I read him/her). Look around you and see what religion does: War, murder, bigotry, rape etc etc. Where did I drag the comparison? Little girls in a UN school were attacked. Why? Because some bloody religiots did not like what another religiot did to their holy book. Where am I dragging comparisons?

  • Mastertarium - 2011-04-04 13:43

    Some people take these things too seriously. Even when what he said is actually true. I don't think he meant any blasphemy. Even though he is an idiot.

  • ji - 2011-04-04 13:43

    cele and buddies are more like the 3 stooges and the SAP is like alibaba and the 40 000 thieves .

  • fracham - 2011-04-04 13:43

    There is sense in what he is saying .Off course there are always some who take exception. At a first read , I cannot see blashemy. Its a fact of life . A sample of a population will reflect the make up of a society in the real world. Fact. In fact its the wording in the article which gives the wrong impression about what is said. My opinion. Case dismissed.Next.

      daaivark - 2011-04-04 13:52

      Spot on!

      PyroSA - 2011-04-04 17:55

      Agreed. Cele stated that corruption affects all 'organisations'. People got too easily offended and missed the whole point of the speech. Perhaps they didn't get a professional to write his speech for him, but that doesn't make it a valid example. He acknowledges that there are corrupt officials in the force and that something must be done about it. Not a solution in itself, but a crucial part of the solution.

  • bill - 2011-04-04 13:44

    Cele is a corrupt retard. I seriously doubt this missing link knows what blasphemy is.

  • OzzieCPT - 2011-04-04 13:44

    Christians should unite and vote this gov out!!!

      hellhound - 2011-04-04 14:47

      i would like to see that happen no matter how bad life is for the masses they will always keep voting anc because the goverment keep the massses uneducated on the real thing in life and the world look at north africa zimbabwe should i say more but we can vote for da to get them out one block at time

  • Mike Hoxbig - 2011-04-04 13:45

    This whole blasphemy this is so middle ages. People need to start growing thicker skins to get over it.

      daaivark - 2011-04-04 13:52


  • Benzo - 2011-04-04 13:46

    Do your sums. Cele tells us that one out of 12 had been accepted by Jezus. He implies that police can get away with 1/12 of 193000 members of the force being somehow criminal...that is 16000 members of his staff. Now we know.....

  • braamc - 2011-04-04 13:51

    193 000 strong force, what they doing?

  • mm - 2011-04-04 13:52

    Ag it was "taken out of context" again. Say whatever you want and then just say "it was taken out of context" if people moan about it. That is the ANC way. Open mouth, insert foot.

  • J-Worker - 2011-04-04 13:55

    What's another word for heathen?

  • Siphiwo - 2011-04-04 13:57

    No, no, no, the Honourable Mr Botha and his crew must not coerce all of us to believeing what Mr Cele has said as insulting and anti-Christ! My point is that the daily scriptures as read in the Holy Book are a reference to our daily living. My understanding is the General is saying; " As much as Jesus Christ was doing the most honourable perfect job, there were some elements in His Disciples who were betrayers...." Is that not the truth my fellow Christians and Mr Botha? No unnecessary politicking maan...

      BOY30 - 2011-04-04 14:29

      Thats the truth bra. You spot on.

      james naker - 2011-04-04 14:43

      On your reasoning it means that Cele is depicting himself as Jesus Christ. One has to conclude that he is therefore comparing Jesus Christ to a corrupt unethical individual such as himself who has been found to authorize unlawful contracts and contravene acts of parliament. This comparison is therefore even more insulting and despicable based on the above. Ir

      Educated - 2011-04-04 15:03

      No it's not true sipho. Religion was designed by the powers that be to keep the weak minded citizens in control.

      Nico de Jongh - 2014-02-16 11:56

      The Master's plan. Who are we to judge that road to the cross. All traitors of righteousness will suffer in hell where the spirit gets purged. "I don't come for the righteous, but the sinners".. like Juda...get it..sweet bru.. smoke out all corruption.. oh my gawd let me crawl back into the burning bush before I get send to hell.. blasphemy or Nietzschean or Eastern Mosaic.

  • John Gillow - 2011-04-04 13:58

    get use to it as christian do it to other religions.I have christians knocking on my door at home telling how bad my religion is and only christians will see heaven so i closed the door in there face.... :)

  • BLACKMAMBA - 2011-04-04 14:04

    who cares,christianity is overrated.its interesting to find competent individuals still quoting scriptures in this lifetime,its absurd.but ofcourse, slavery and colonialism damaged the minds of many africans and the ANC is utilising that to their advantage.

      Educated - 2011-04-04 15:04

      Those evil colonialists must have damaged their IQ's also.

  • e.henning101 - 2011-04-04 14:07

    Who does this atheist non believer prick think he is?! Cele, refer to what happened to the Titanic, Beatles, etc, etc after comments similar to yours have been made against the One and Only Living God!! God is not your "pal" or play-mate! Watch your mouth!

      user_64 - 2011-04-04 14:23

      Ya, and neither does he exist so I fully agree with your comment in terms of who Cele should be referring too. NON-fictional characters

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 14:28

      Hehehe. So who you gonna call? Cele is no atheist non-believer. Even if he were, do you want to remove his right to free speech? Send him to hell to burn for ever? Does he really deserve that? Really? FYI: Your nasty threats do not impress. Take them somewhere else. Is this the only argument you have? If I (or Cele for that matter) do not jump through your hoops, we are to burn in hell forever? Now THAT is offensive. Who do you think you are to condemn and insult other people like this. Do you have special dispensation from you god to condemn others like this? Watch your mouth!

      NuttyZA - 2011-04-04 14:45

      lol... what a tosser... Let's see, what exactly DID happen to the Beatles after John Lennon said that they were "more popular than Jesus"... hmmm, a few loony Americans burnt their Beatles records during the Beatles tour of America, the Beatles still went on for another +- 7 years after that as the most sucessful band EVER, with all the Beatles enjoying sucess as solo artists afterwards... hmmm, don't think your imaginary friend was too upset with them... the builders of the titanic (or one of the pasengers) must have really pissed him off tho!!!

      daaivark - 2011-04-04 14:59

      And what exactly happened to the Beatles? As far as I know they became one of the most well-known pop-music acts of all time!

      Educated - 2011-04-04 15:07

      Well said Spoedvark!

  • Mighty_Whitey - 2011-04-04 14:08

    ANC = absolutely no clue.

      hellhound - 2011-04-04 14:48

      reg so

  • Bernard - 2011-04-04 14:10

    Cele's a moron and the offended christians are WAY to precious. Dumb and dumber...

  • AndrewG - 2011-04-04 14:10

    The brains trust at the CDP must be on holiday if this is the best they can come up with. This is hardly blasphemous, in fact, considering Cele isn't the brightest of chaps out there its a fairly good analogy. Maybe the CDP should focus their efforts on highlighting how the ANC has let down the country because of the corruption in its ranks, nepotism, greed, etc etc. It would make a much more convincing story to appeal to the Christian vote by pointing out the number of the 10 commandments broken by those in power rather than going with this rubbish; I'm pretty sure they could fill out all 10 with hardly any effort!

  • - 2011-04-04 14:10

    When will we realise that the bible is the world's biggest best-selling, fiction novel ever? I am all against this Cele fiend, but what he is doing now is the same as that what the preachers do everyday. If you can believe anything you read, then treachery and deceipt started with Adam and Eve already and never stopped.

      nws - 2011-04-04 14:31

      anthro your the same as Cele comparing modern day live with the bible your the same as a jude trying to remove our believes out of excistanc wel its not going to happen if u don't believe in God then respect others believes please and we will pray for you and your anc cronies

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 18:47

      nws You are even more insulting than your predecessor above. Let's strike a bargain: You pray for me and I'll think for you. The first thing I will think about is the bible's claim that it is "eternal". The second is your claim that non-believers are doing the "judging." And the third thing is whether your beliefs have any content that merits respect.

  • ratex - 2011-04-04 14:16

    You know he is right except that, Judas was the backstabber so 1/12= 8,3% criminal. Of your 193,000 members, well 192000/193000 = 99,4% Thats the difference, you c8nt

      hellhound - 2011-04-04 14:50

      let gat something straight judas was not a backstabber he had a job to that was put out for him before he was born the same as john the baptist he allso had his job to do

  • gideondurand - 2011-04-04 14:18

    The report is using rather leading and ill motivated language. Cele did not say "the police force is like Jesus and the apostles", He merely made an alegorical statement to make a point. A slight paraphrasing might read "if even in the christian epitome of a 'good and committed organization' there can be subterfuge and corruption, then it is unreasonable to expect there not to such bad features in a much larger and much more secular and worldy organization such as the police force". Alegory and simile are never intended to be taken as literal statements of likeness. This does not mean that the statement is (a) true or (b) useful. The statement, and the misplaced anger about it, draws attention away from the central point: What are the causes and consequences of corruption within the police force and which policies are best suited to dealing with the problem in the cheapest and most effective way?

      mark59 - 2011-04-04 15:44

      Well said mate, maybe Cele should get his facts right before he speaks.

  • sherrilynn.dunnclark - 2011-04-04 14:18

    This is so funny! I am a Christian myself and find this hilarious- what about his comment is to be taken as an offense? I ask? He is right- and the South African Police are not the only policing institution that have problems with bad cops- they are all over the world- we just don’t hear about it cause we don’t live in those countries. Politics, politics, politics….becoming rather redundant!

  • nws - 2011-04-04 14:25

    its a slap in the face for Christians why don't they compare them selfs with there ancestors o wait they can't it disrespect full im sick of the anc im sick of the corrupt police im sick of the people that are discriminating against our believe im furious the whole south africa is going down and im going to stay right here and see it happen

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 19:10

      Ah. Your slip is showing (but only a little bit is visible between the "garbiage"). "(T)hey" and "them selves" and "our believe". Sic in more ways than one! So who is discriminating against christians in this predominantly christian country, mmm? Horrible people? Shame on them!

  • jakovdm - 2011-04-04 14:28

    I am a devout Christian, and I really can't see the problem whith the comparison Cele made.

      Opinionated - 2011-04-04 14:49

      Me neither, it seems to me that he was merely pointing out that there are always bad apples amongst the bad, in all circumstances, even amongst Jesus's apostles. In a countries society, the police should in some ways be to us as the apostles were to Jesus, his right hand men. The Christian Democrats are clearly trying to take a knock at the ANC and make no mistake i am not a fan of the ANC myself, but i am also not a fan of religion being brought into politics either. Being a Democratic country also means freedom of choice where religion is concerned and i'm not too sure how that is supposed to work with the Christian Democrats.

      DW - 2011-04-04 16:48

      It is the fact that a corrupt, blasphemous organisation would try to compare what they are with what Jesus and his followers stood for. Maybe if all the corrupt officials (including Cele) would go and hang themselves like Judas did we could agree with the comparison. Yes Judas was corrupt. But he wasn't promoted and made the head of the disciples. The comparison is inappropriate and offensive.

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 19:59

      DW, oozing with christian love and compassion.

  • Turdy - 2011-04-04 14:34

    There's nothing wrong with what Cele said.Why is he not allowed to draw a comparison between the bible and current events? When a reverend or preacher makes some ludicrous comparison between an event and the bible it's fine,but when Cele does it,it's blasphemy.Wake up CDP!

  • hellhound - 2011-04-04 14:34

    it is that you become what you hate the most a criminal is it not that the anc is a criminal organisation

  • NuttyZA - 2011-04-04 14:34

    I personally don't think the CDP's agenda is religious at all but rather politcal... What Gen Cele said, whilst moronic, was not blasphemous BUT what better way for the CDP to "steal" votes from the ANC's christian members by making them believe it was/is blasphemous

      mark59 - 2011-04-04 15:45

      what do mean by fats???

      NuttyZA - 2011-04-04 19:23

      @Mark... nws said that every THIN would be fine... was just wondering if every fat would be fine as well

  • nws - 2011-04-04 14:35

    leave God out of politics and every thin would be fine

      NuttyZA - 2011-04-04 14:50

      Yes, but what about the fats???

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 19:22

      Are you prepared to keep your religion out of politics nws? What fats, Nutty? What did I miss?

      NuttyZA - 2011-04-04 19:27

      spoedvark.. lol, I was just being facetious... nws said that every THIN would be fine... was just wondering if every fat would be fine as well

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 19:42

      Hiehie. I am a bit slow tonait!

  • Badballie - 2011-04-04 14:39

    bottom line is he is using the reference to the bible to show that no matter what there is crime, unfortunately he puts it across as if because there is crime amongst even the disciples is OK for people to be corrupt as well. As for Christians there are very few, anyone with even a smattering of bible knowledge knows that very few of the millions of Christians world wide will ever make it to heaven most will be spewed from his mouth being neither hot nor cold.

  • Michelle - 2011-04-04 14:46

    some of you are clearly over reacting.... all he is saying is its hard to police 193 000 police officers... his example may have been a bad chice but its not worthy of all this attention...

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 20:00

      But we are having fun!

  • Lucror - 2011-04-04 15:01

    I do not understand what the problem is with what he said, as many an analogy has been made by dominees and the like. The reporter is the one who stirred the pot,I would have liked to hear what Cele said verbatim and the context it was said in. Grow up and don't jump at hearsay nonsence

  • WPWW - 2011-04-04 15:08

    Are there any black politicians out there who are not arrogant imbeciles. I suppose no intelligent black (or white) person will go into politics so I guess we will be stuck with this laughing stock of retards.

      nuclear - 2011-04-06 11:50

      What does this say about Zille?

  • Johan Cilliers - 2011-04-04 15:14

    As a Christian I can actually agree with Cele, but also remember what happened to that criminal .... Does SA also have a place called "field of blood" for corrupt police....

      mark59 - 2011-04-04 15:47

      On the nail Johan, I wonder about that field of blood myself.

  • Steen - 2011-04-04 15:28

    These CDP people think they own Jesus, Cele has the right to speak about Jesus, no one owns him and no one shoul restrict the other from making reference of him.

      Valis - 2011-04-04 15:48

      I agree. Same goes for the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus!

  • Valis - 2011-04-04 15:32

    Why do people get so upset about a bronze-age myth? It's just a fairy-tale made up by a bunch of Middle Eastern sheepherders. I can't believe in this day and age how people can still cling to such primitive superstitions.

  • Lolke - 2011-04-04 15:34

    Please delete this if it was mentioned before, but Jesus did not have a criminal in His midst. It was a traitor and that is something completely different, in my books at least.

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 19:24

      Who stole the ass?

  • kungfupanda - 2011-04-04 15:36

    So we are supposed to feel better about the fact that the police service itself is corrupt to the bone, because Judas betrayed Jesus.... So it was God's will that he signed a R500m lease for a building and increased his father-in-law's annual salary by R250k. This guy shouldn't be anywhere close to other peoples' money.

  • AgPseDaddy - 2011-04-04 16:04

    What the illiterate heads of the anc regime say does not offend me as the the truth is, JESUS was White, satin was Black??????

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-04 16:19

      Like nights in white satin?

      Spoedvark - 2011-04-04 19:27

      Huh? If you are saying what I think you are saying, you need an education badly. Pot, kettle anyone?

      nuclear - 2011-04-06 11:51

      So people originating from the Middle East are White then?

  • haydne1 - 2011-04-04 16:15

    I wish only educated people would comment on these articles!!!

      Thermophage - 2011-04-04 16:48

      Yep, most definitely. but you left out RATIONAL educated people willing to look at facts and then make their own decisions...

  • Thermophage - 2011-04-04 16:19 tell some people the truth or point out the obvious holes in their argument and they delete your comments :| would appear there is no hope if people are not willing to entertain different ideas :(