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'Angry white youths dangerous'

2008-07-17 20:03

Johannesburg - Many Afrikaner youths are angry and hold rigid views about black people, Professor Jonathan Jansen said on Thursday.

Jansen, delivering the 5th Annual Bishop Hans Brenninkmeijer memorial lecture in Johannesburg, said these Afrikaner youths had had no direct experience of apartheid and were born around the time of former state president Nelson Mandela's release from prison.

"They (Afrikaner youths) carry within them the seed of bitter knowledge that left unchallenged can easily germinate into the most vile and vicious racial attack."

He cited the Waterkloof Four, the Reitz residence "initiation" video, and the Skierlik killings as examples.

"The Afrikaner youths' troubled knowledge was transmitted through the family, the church, the schools, cultural associations and peer groups," he said.

Supported white domination

These agencies transmitted "dangerous" messages in all white circles despite spectacular changes in the formal institutions of democracy.

Jansen said the Afrikaner youths' beliefs and behaviours mirrored those of their parents - "who upheld, supported and benefited from white domination in the decades before they were born".

The threat of social collapse around white people resulted in them reinforcing racial exclusivity (we belong to ourselves); racial supremacy (we are better than black people) and racial victimisation (we are being targeted by black people), said Jansen.

"In the belief system of white youth, these social events are interpreted through a singular lens: black incompetence, black greed, black barbarism and black retaliation," said Jansen.

In a bid to understand their "anger" Jansen said he lived inside the lives of white Afrikaners. His findings were that it was hard to change their views of other people.

However, he said for transformation to be successful, South Africans on both sides (blacks and white) had to be prepared to make a move towards each other.

'Represent red flags'

He said white people had to move out of their "comfort zones" and embrace not tolerate, their fellow human beings if they wanted to "make it" in the new South Africa.

"But white fathers loomed large as racial gatekeepers in their homes. We must get together and figure it out for the sake our country and the future," said Jansen.

In his lecture, Jansen highlighted that many white South Africans felt that the recent xenophobic attacks, and the escalation in fuel and food prices, and interests rates, were a "black problem".

"In other words, the weight of public discourse suggests a white man's burden," said Jansen.

On the "shaky democracy", Jansen blamed the ANC Youth League "thugs" for their "kill for Zuma" talk.

"The precipitous state of public institutions - the Human Rights Commission, the Presidency, the SABC and the Judiciary - represent the red flags of our fragile democracy," he said.

Comments
  • Johnson - 2008-07-17 20:30

    As a father of white teenagers, I cannot blame their feelings. Their reality is the truth - there reality is that there is no future for white children in South Africa. Its not necessary for parents to influence them, I can only try and convince them to finish schooling in SA and then leave. They are surely wise enough to interpret reality - you don't need to be a professor to interpret that, you can walk on the golf course, wherever you go people talk about the reality in SA, black & white.

  • ElectroMan - 2008-07-17 20:35

    Again, the integration problems lure around the dark alleys, dinner tables and conversations with pre-developed (lacking actual experience in interaction) views about other races. Lacking a true integrated, fully represented, non-bias political party boosts this social and cultural integration struggle and will remain while the one pressures the other to give way.

  • Koos - 2008-07-17 20:42

    The article contradicts itself. Young Afrikaner youth has been excluded form the new South Africa. If they were to be included in the future of this country they should not be sidelined. If they are included in the economic structures they might change their Supposed attitude. I see a problem brewing. This is not good. We should work toward peace.

  • ElectroMan - 2008-07-17 20:42

    How great our world would have been if there were only one culture, one language, one social and economical class in SA... (wishful thinking) Thus without a "serious about real integration" political party, SA will surely sit with the same problems 100 years from now and might even go through a few worse case senarios of xenophobic/civil wars. A person (does not matter who you are) only has a certain level of tolerance regarding giving or opening up towards other views.

  • Danie - 2008-07-17 20:54

    Professor Jonathan Jansen, why do you single the white youth out as being dangerous? What about the black youths who are under the same influences? Professor Jansen it's people like you who flame the racial fires, by being selective in your observations. In case you have not noticed, fathers better be the gatekeepers of their homes. If not their families might be raped or murdered. I believe your observations are disingenuous. If this lecture was a paper to be graded, I would give it an F

  • Anon - 2008-07-17 20:56

    I am an english speaking, white 22 year old male. There is a big difference between english and afrikaans speaking white people in South Africa. This article goes backwards by classifying all whites in SA in the same way. The article is also very one sided - what about a reverse study Prof Jansen?? How can you make such statements without investigating the other side of the story? I sense this article is written in the attempt to make some politician happy for self gain...

  • Floydster - 2008-07-17 21:02

    Well it is very difficult for the white youth to ignore the fact that they get discrimenated against based on race. There are still less white Afrikaner racists than black ones in this country and thanks to the ANC they become more every day.

  • Adriaan - 2008-07-17 21:07

    I am one of these so called Angry Afrikaner Youths. I spend my weekends and Holidays in the Cape flats building homes for flood victims and helping people having to live with HIV. I was still in School when Apartheid ended, it had nothing to do with me. I have many black friends and are they exactly that FRIENDS! But when I want to apply for a job I cant because of the color of my Skin. I don't go around threatening to kill people, but I get branded as being Dangerous!

  • JohnyC - 2008-07-17 21:08

    Always the Afrikaner!!!! You mention 3 incidents of racism here, but what about what blacks do to whites? Are the 20,000 murders per year committed by angry white youths? What are you on about? Angry white youths???? Are the angry white youths standing up in parliament saying that the armed struggle was only suspended and not abandoned? For a professor this guy is really stupid!

  • Adriaan - 2008-07-17 21:10

    I am one of these so called Angry Afrikaner Youths. I spend my weekends and Holidays in the Cape flats building homes for flood victims and helping people having to live with HIV. I was still in School when Apartheid ended, it had nothing to do with me. I have many black friends and are they exactly that FRIENDS! But when I want to apply for a job I cant because of the color of my Skin. I don't go around threatening to kill people, but I get branded as being Dangerous!

  • Wondering - 2008-07-17 21:14

    "He cited the Waterkloof Four, the Reitz residence "initiation" video, and the Skierlik killings as examples. " It is quite amazing that these three incidents stuck in his mind and he chooses to ignore farm murders and racial remarks of burglars in the Pretoria East area. Remember when burglars found out black people lived in a Pretoria house house they broke into? They said that if thye knew that black people lived there, they wouldn't have broke in and only took their cell phones.

  • JohnyC - 2008-07-17 21:20

    Always the Afrikaner!!!! You mention 3 incidents of racism here, but what about what blacks do to whites? Are the 20,000 murders per year committed by angry white youths? What are you on about? Angry white youths???? Are the angry white youths standing up in parliament saying that the armed struggle was only suspended and not abandoned? For a professor this guy is really stupid!

  • Philip Jacobs - 2008-07-17 21:24

    Where are the statistics Prof Jansen? What is the actual percentage of white on black crime apposed to black on white crime?

  • Johnson - 2008-07-17 21:25

    We need a "new" political party ruling this country - sensitive to the needs of all in SA, with moral fibre and without any "baggage" - thats why Madiba (Happy birthday!) initially gave me hope.

  • Philip Jacobs - 2008-07-17 21:25

    Where are the statistics Prof Jansen? What is the actual percentage of white on black crime apposed to black on white crime?

  • Daddy Cool - 2008-07-17 21:25

    What a foolish professor! No wonder there's no peace in SA. People like you are busy infiltrating our children with gabbage. You're supposed to come up with solutions since we assume you are learned, instead you disappoint us.

  • paul smit - 2008-07-17 21:28

    What reason did he have to write this? It's ridiculous. Once again someone highlights the differnces between races making them more obvious. He generalises on two events ( Reitz and Skilling). If whites did that then they indeed would view all black people as greedy, incompetent, hateful and violent. But you cant do that. There are too many people to do that. The only way to solve bad white characteristocs and bad black characteristics is through education. Education is the key.

  • Elias - 2008-07-17 21:30

    you must have gotten your degree out of a lucky-packet because this is very one sided....what about the farm murders...wake up!

  • jaco - 2008-07-17 21:33

    Many Russians long for another Tsar - Nikolas 2 was killed 90 years ago, before communism. Young Palestinians are sacrificing their lives in suicide attacks, they werent born when the regions problems started. Why would it be different in SA? What has a white teenager to be happy about?

  • Jacques - 2008-07-17 21:37

    Oh my,and his title is professor,scary!!!Think you wasted lot of time and money on your uuhm research mate.Your government is blowing oxygen into the lungs of apartheid,keeping it alive and well.We are Afrikaans and I can assure you, no apartheid here,my son loves our maid,as I loved mine when I grew up in the days of Apartheid.What if you focus on something else,GLOBAL WARMING maybe????

  • Ex pat - 2008-07-17 21:38

    It's sad but true that white kids who want an equal chance to make a future in South Africa will either stay in South Africa and grow bitter and angry or leave. Most have and will continue to leave .My advice to white kids is leave Africa to the Black Africans .White Africans can "colonise" Oz , Uk , Canada and the USA. They are great achievers in all fields .Its South Africa's loss -.

  • David R - 2008-07-17 21:38

    It is a pity that the white population and their leaders seemed to have misunderstood the real objectives of our transformation. Political freedom to us blacks means very little without material changes to our lives. Whites seemed to have expected no material changes to the benefits due to them during apartheid. Instead of white parents teaching swart gevaar, they need to raise awareness with their children of the exclusive benefits they enjoyed under apartheid and its evils to blacks.

  • Cathy - 2008-07-17 21:40

    Afrikaners voted overwhelmingly to make the new South Africa a reality. They did this under the premises that their language won't suffer, that property rights will be entrenched in the constitution and that racism will end. For this they were awarded with the most racist government in history. They are the victims of genocide, and their rights are constantly being eroded. Afrikaner youths can observe and read. They have every reason to be mad!

  • Philip - 2008-07-17 21:46

    Where did you conduct your study, sir, Venters Dorp? Your article is one sided and points out probably the only three Racial events caused by white teens, in which fortunately only a very few people were killed or hurt in one way or another, that even made it into the news? Other than fueling racial indifferences what would your point be, sir? Your certainly not helping people like the thousands and thousands of Christian men following Angus Buchans's example to built a peaceful and tolerant nation!

  • viper - 2008-07-17 21:46

    Maybe Jansen is scared of being attacked by the ANC YL ignorani. Or maybe he just doesn't understand young afrikaners - they are not moffies - they can now do what they want all over the world as every country I know begs and pays them gto come unlike this country that seeks to chase them away (and frankly most are outside of RSA, waiting for the grand stuff-up before they come back in 20 years time to fix it up again). So, Jansen suck a carrot and feel real.

  • Lardus - 2008-07-17 21:47

    Idiots like you make it difficult for people like me to be seen as a part of SA. I do not care who makes the country work, I just want it to work.just because I do not mingle with other races doesn't make me a bad person. I am not even that active in my own race. I just want to be left alone.

  • John - 2008-07-17 21:48

    I cannot believe my eyes. Is this guy a professor?

  • Cathy - 2008-07-17 21:48

    Prof Jansen, look at the statistics. Which youths in South Africa are responsible for most of the crime. You highlight three examples of Afrikaner criminality, what about the thousands who are killed and maimed by others. Afrikaner youth are angry - with reason. It's not racism, it's realizing the truth. The South African government is waging a war against them!

  • Christo - 2008-07-17 21:50

    Yes, come on, let's have a go at the white afrikaans speaking people in SA again. I suppose you have to blame Someone for everything. Why, according to the prof, we were probably the "third force" behind the Xenophobic attacks, Eskoms trouble, the ANC's failure, Zim's failure, the economic failure as well? And still you wonder why we (the educated pro's) want to leave the country? Siestog.

  • Nanker Phelge - 2008-07-17 21:51

    Is he seriously suggesting that the church still preaches white supremecy? Come on! The Church, especially the Dutch Reformed Church has sold its stones to the butchers a long, long time ago. I'd like some proof please!

  • Benzo - 2008-07-17 21:52

    Dear Professor. It seems you have a problem with white youth and their upbringing. I am a white parent and ?over the age? of employability. Guess what? My three South African born step children have left South Africa together with their children, my grandchildren. They did leave for no other reason than that they were not prepared to stand in the back of the queue for future prospects. Take that to a lower level of education in our society. Some white kids do not have the educational qualifications to go for a middle level job. The competition of black compatriots is vast and our dear government has put these guys in the back of the queue even if they are stronger, work harder and sometimes even smarter. Companies are not allowed (BEE scorecard) to hire them. Iimagine: you are twenty and running into this brick wall. Ha, you say, so many black kids did run into the same brick wall in the past. The difference is that the newly negotiated constitution, accepted by all in SA, does not actually allow for discrimination based on the color of the skin. With Chinese now classified as blacks for BEE purposes, we are only one step away from adding disadvantaged white kids to be classified as blacks for BEE purposes. Would that not solve many of the problems you so eloquently describe? Unless you have a color related bias yourself? Let us exclude the recent xenophobic problems from the current discussion. And?let us not confuse the issue with this famous ?ubuntu? stuff. We, whiteys, might just get confused. Maybe one of your next doctorate students could do a study on the subject. You might not like the outcome!

  • Dr DoLittle - 2008-07-17 21:53

    From the time a person is born he is formed and moulded by what he observes around him. As the professor rightly said "black incompetence, black greed, black barbarism and black retaliation"... Can you realistictly expect any other response from from the young white people who are denied equal opportunities in their country of birth?

  • Jonathan - 2008-07-17 21:55

    I'm 18, between high school and university in the fall. We Americans have a very jaundiced view of Africa and Africa's problems simply because there have been, and still are, too many problems. Another million people massacred, another hundred thousand dead of AIDS, a health minister who thinks eating beets is a cure... We've heard it all before and too many times. You know, if you want to see South Africa in fifteen years, look at Zimbabwe now.

  • ROBYN - 2008-07-17 21:58

    I'M A SOUTH AFRICAN LIVING IN BRITAIN. BRITAIN GIVES AN OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF INTEGRATION AND UNFLAGGING DEMOCRACY, YET RACIAL SEGREGATION, RASICISM AND IGNORANCE OF EACH CULTURE NOT ONES' OWN REIGNS SUPREMELY HERE - I AM PROUD OF SOUTH AFRICA, BY COMPARISON - IT HAS COME FURTHER THAN MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES EVER WILL. Celebrate how far we've come - want intergration - show us a truly mutlicultural government!

  • ROBYN - 2008-07-17 21:59

    I'M A SOUTH AFRICAN LIVING IN BRITAIN. BRITAIN GIVES AN OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF INTEGRATION AND UNFLAGGING DEMOCRACY, YET RACIAL SEGREGATION, RASICISM AND IGNORANCE OF EACH CULTURE NOT ONES' OWN REIGNS SUPREMELY HERE - I AM PROUD OF SOUTH AFRICA, BY COMPARISON - IT HAS COME FURTHER THAN MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES EVER WILL. Celebrate how far we've come - want intergration - show us a truly mutlicultural government!

  • Anon - 2008-07-17 21:59

    I do not think that the comments made by this gentleman was researched at all. He is preaching hatred wich is taken by everybody who hates Afrikaners as justification for the horrible deeds done in our beautiful country. He mentiones three examples of Afrikaner acts of violence, Why does he not mention the thousands of violent acts done apon the Afrikaners?My church, family and peer groups are all preaching love and tolerance towards others.Please sir -Lets make peace not war. I am shocked.

  • ROBYN - 2008-07-17 22:00

    I'M A SOUTH AFRICAN LIVING IN BRITAIN. BRITAIN GIVES AN OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF INTEGRATION AND UNFLAGGING DEMOCRACY, YET RACIAL SEGREGATION, RASICISM AND IGNORANCE OF EACH CULTURE NOT ONES' OWN REIGNS SUPREMELY HERE - I AM PROUD OF SOUTH AFRICA, BY COMPARISON - IT HAS COME FURTHER THAN MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES EVER WILL. Celebrate how far we've come - want intergration - show us a truly mutlicultural government!

  • ROBYN - 2008-07-17 22:00

    I'M A SOUTH AFRICAN LIVING IN BRITAIN. BRITAIN GIVES AN OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF INTEGRATION AND UNFLAGGING DEMOCRACY, YET RACIAL SEGREGATION, RASICISM AND IGNORANCE OF EACH CULTURE NOT ONES' OWN REIGNS SUPREMELY HERE - I AM PROUD OF SOUTH AFRICA, BY COMPARISON - IT HAS COME FURTHER THAN MOST EUROPEAN COUNTRIES EVER WILL. Celebrate how far we've come - want intergration - show us a truly mutlicultural government!

  • Hannes - 2008-07-17 22:03

    Everybody knows how many people were murdered this year by white peolpe because it makes the headlines everytime. It just so happens that Jansen only mentions these particular cases. My Question is what about the +/- 50 murders that happen a day. Why don't we hear about that. It is obvious that the Media want to portray the white afrikaner as the bad guys. It is ridiculous that such an article is one of the top stories while people are savagely murdered and raped.

  • Joe Blogs - 2008-07-17 22:13

    What other nonsense I have never ever heard anything racially inclined spoken in our Church and yes it IS an AFRIKANER church

  • Willie - 2008-07-17 22:20

    Isn't it interesting that reconciliation always has to come from the side of the whites in the country? "...white people had to move out of their "comfort zones" and embrace...". How does one not feel segregated, if the finger keeps getting pointed in your direction? I think it is laughable that this "professor's" supposed research so clearly indicates his own bias in this matter....

  • Gerhard - 2008-07-17 22:21

    Its idiots who place idiotic articles like these that makes me angry and will eventually make me dangerous. I have however regained my faith in humanity after reading the user comments though.

  • John Viljoen - 2008-07-17 22:26

    It it hard to fathom how a suposed "intellectual" from the academic fraternity can be so far off the mark & come up with such utter garbish. Your three examples of the suposed danger of the Afrikaner youth are "so thin" that it is actually laughable: 1. The Waterkloof 4 is nothing more four snot nosed punks that went out at night to prove how "tough" they are. This normally means thW

  • Evert P. Botha - 2008-07-17 22:27

    I am shocked that such shite is still published in South Africa. This editorial is starting to sound like the crap published by Zimbabwe's Herald.

  • Guru - 2008-07-17 22:31

    Jonathan, statistically in any population segment anywhere in the world you will find average representations of the entire spectrum for any subject at hand, but an academic such as yourself probably choose to refer to it as the Gaussian distribution. So for that matter you should have chosen South African youths as a whole for they are equally apparent in the Gaussian distribution. Yet you choose to single out white youth and make vague, unfounded statements that are unsupported by any formal study or analysis. These statements lack any solid substance and have no contributory value as they reflect your personal perceptions. How dangerous are you to spew your personal bias through institutionalized channels, prof?

  • Whites are the minority - 2008-07-17 22:31

    Only in SA will the minority group be singled out as the one that needs to sacrifice, in every other country the minorities aren't blamed for non integration, the majorities are, but then again the majorities are white, so I guess the whites will always get the blame. So in short I am in the minority and i choose not to integrate, it is my choice and I made it.

  • ElectroMan - 2008-07-17 22:32

    ...that the current government should be careful in their approach towards cultural, social and economical integration. Even if some "young white youths" can fall back on parents economically (for the time being), many also can't... BUT all of them will eventually get more and more fed up with skin colour discrimination in jobs, sports and other areas. It's in human nature to be the best in whatever field, but hold someone back based on skin will eventually backfire. (apartheid... hint hint)

  • Kaapse Kleurling - 2008-07-17 22:33

    Your arguments sounds like drunk judge Motata utterances. 'SIES MAN VROT,VROT!' TYPICAL THINKING OF THE OPIONIATED FORMER SELF-IMPOSED EXILES. THEY ALL ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH WHAT THE REAL PROBLEMS AND CHALLENGES FACING THIS COUNTRY. HOPE THE NEW GUARD WILL HAVE SOME REAL HEROS AND STOP BLAMING APARTHEID AND GET ON WITH THE JOB. You need to get over this hate the white man syndrome. IT CLOUDS YOUR JUDGEMENT AND IT WILL TURN YOU INTO OLD BOB.

  • Ktistoff - 2008-07-17 22:34

    We "(Afrikaner youths)? have a past and we are faced with a culture who seeks to even the score. Not that I blame them. The only thing we have learnt from history is that we don't learn from history. And there are many good SA people out there. The devil comes in all shapes and sizes and he uses fear to his advantage and prays on the weak. Well there is this one little fact ?GOD? In the end good will win.

  • amabulu - 2008-07-17 22:36

    groing up in rsa as a africaner and a patriot is diverent than now That what the afrikaner was is in the past is gone history and for me living in australia it was easy to exept than my friends still in rsa the afrikaner have to exsept that he are in the new rsa and have to stop looking back and hoping that the old rsa is going to come back only if they realize that they are in africa and willing to exept the ways and value's of africa things will start improve