Australia still safer, says SA expat after murders

2011-05-01 23:07

Pretoria - The South African woman whose husband and parents were murdered in Adelaide on Friday, says Australia is still safer than her country of birth.

"This kind of crime doesn’t happen here every day," 38-year-old Rika Mombers, formerly of Amanzimtoti, told her family in South Africa.

Mombers’s husband Luc, 41, and her parents, 64-year-old Kobus Snyman and his wife Annatjie, 65, were shot dead in their house by a neighbour.

The Mombers family moved to Australia three years ago because of crime in South Africa and to give their children Alicia, 16, and Marcel, 14, "a better future".

Marcel is in serious condition after the neighbour shot him in the throat and shoulder. Alicia was at a friend’s house at the time.

Rika managed to flee the house with an 11-year-old boy, apparently a friend of Marcel’s, when Luc warned her after he was shot through the front door.

The neighbour then went from room to room firing at random, killing the Snymans in their bed.

The Snyman’s were due to return home to Pretoria on May 5 after a month-long visit.

Their son Johan, who lives in Pretoria, said on Sunday he was able to speak to his sister for the first time on Saturday.

He said he believes his father died “with peace in his heart”, because he dearly wanted to see his daughter and grandchildren again.


But he said the incident is ironic, because the family left South Africa after both Luc and Rika were affected by crime. He said they didn’t want that for their children.

Luc's father Hubert, 70, said he hadn't seen the family since they left South Africa three years ago.

"Now I’ll never be able to say goodbye," he said.

The Momberses' neighbour, Donato Anthony Corba, also wounded two policemen - shooting one in the face - and held police at bay for eight hours at his mother's house next door.

The 39-year-old will appear in court on Monday on three charges of murder and three of attempted murder.

Local police spokesperson Inspector Denise Gray told the Australian Sunday Mail police are still investigating a motive.


  • edvermaak - 2011-05-01 23:23

    mmm I'm so REALLY very sorry for your loss. But, it is very sad that you have to justify your absence from South Africa. To all my friends and family now living in Australia: I say to you that I understand your purpose. Please do NOT judge me for staying behind and fighting for by birthright, and what belongs to me.

      Jack Spratt - 2011-05-01 23:56

      you will never be able to experience self determination in this country again through socio-political means. Sorry but its true.

      cj - 2011-05-01 23:59

      Fair enough. What about Expat's don't judge those staying behind and you don't judge us for leaving. I can live with everyone respecting the other's decisions. My heart goes out to anyone who made sacrifices on their children's behalf that didn't work out the way they planned. Doesn't matter if you stay in SA or leave. Both believe they make the right decision. Both make sacrifices and its sad in either case if it ends in tragedy.

      Blip - 2011-05-02 02:53

      Your "fight" for your "birthright" (please define that, if you dare) is a futile one. You know that too.

      Andre' - 2011-05-02 05:57

      Where in the article is she justifying her absence, and why would your family & friends judge you? A bit of a combination of verbal diarrhea cum persectution complex.

      Adrian - 2011-08-16 14:54

      what is sad is that you will continue to fight for your birthright... for what "belongs to you"... and in the end you will still end up with nothing. its Africa, we have to face reality...

  • ? - 2011-05-01 23:44

    Why are we killing each other in the first place?

      Grikie - 2011-05-02 04:31

      Well,people with low intelligence usually kill each other because they can not figure out another way to sort out their issues. In the western world, someone with a IQ below 80, is considered 'mentally handicapped' and is only partially responsible for his actions. Such a person is attending 'special needs' schooling where is continuously assessed. The problem with South Africa is - the national IQ average is 80! Unfortunately no one can do something about this. Now this is a fact - regardless if We accept it or not.

      biohazard - 2011-05-02 07:54

      @Girkie. There are many reasons for SA's unquestonable high violent crime levels but your logic is hard is lunacy. Firstly,the average of any society is an IQ of 100 (that's how the quotient is scaled). I'm afarid intelligence has little to do with our problems, massive ignorane has. And you're proof that ignorance is a problem no matter where it's encountered

      Larissa - 2011-05-02 14:33

      Average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; that for Whites, about 100; and that for Blacks, about 85 in the United States and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa. Now look at Japan, how quickly the country lifted up after WW2, Hiroshima and Nagasaki...Stunning isn't it? Look at the Europe, during First WW and WW2, basically everything was destroyed. Ireland, Scotland, England, Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Poland, Austria, Norway, Ukraine, or even Russia! And now look at SA and ask yourself a question, in just 14 years, the average IQ 67, what did they do good to this country ? And we are not even at War...

      Ray - 2011-07-10 10:16

      I agree with Grikie and Larissa.Biohazard is uninformed-the "national" IQ is not the same in all countries.You need to look at the "Bell Curve"[which,I believe was written by black researchers],and "Freakonomics",to get a feeling for the impact of IQ on society.I am not sure if Larissa's figures are accurate,but they are certainly in the right order.The IQ of Jews is the highest and they have "struggled" for thousands of years,but always make a success as a group[No, I am not a Jew].It bodes very negatively for the future of SA when the least competent are making the big decisions.

  • omgwtfnews - 2011-05-01 23:47

    lol really? Her husband and parents just got shot dead and still she tries to justify it? Poor lady probably still in shock...

      Jack Spratt - 2011-05-01 23:58

      If anyone believes that Oz is more dangerous then SA seriously needs their head read. Oz is safe, this is just a tragic incident caused by a mentally disabled person and a poisoned dog (don't mean to be funny).

      LUFC - 2011-05-02 03:09

      Im pretty sure the neighbour wasnt trying to steal a cellphone (which generally seems to be what ull be killed for in this joke filled nation)

      Sammajoor - 2011-05-02 03:44

      Oh, and the police turned up 2 minutes after the phone call and they actually have him in custody. I'm sure that happens every day in good old Azania?

      Larro - 2011-05-02 06:37

      SA is number 2 (after Columbia) for murders per capita - at 0.496008 per 1,000 people. Australia is number 43 - 0.0150324 per 1,000 people. No need to justify ANYTHING!

      Crabapple1 - 2011-05-02 07:53

      You stupid TWAT. At least she seems to have more brains than you could ever hope to have.

      Grazy - 2011-05-02 11:49

      She try to justify nothing. She stated fackts.

      flamewulf - 2011-05-02 20:32

      Agreed, omgwtfnews.

  • Adam - 2011-05-01 23:50

    poor lady is right

  • Gary - 2011-05-01 23:53

    Off you go. Try New York

      omgwtfnews - 2011-05-01 23:57


      Mike-O - 2011-05-02 03:27

      Shadenfreude - sick!

      Larro - 2011-05-02 06:51

      New York - STILL safer than the whole of SA - 0.33 murders versus 0.50 per 1000.

      mathilda - 2011-05-02 07:06

      Gary, I live just northwest of NYC, been living here for 13 years. Safer than just about anywhere in South Africa. The old adage about not having to lock your doors really do apply to us here. The deer and a fox wandering through out yards every so often are the oly intruders we've ever had. Don't be an idiot.

      Roanokee - 2011-05-02 08:11

      @Mathilda: And therin lies your problem. If people locked their doors, the neighbour could not just walk in and start shooting as happened in this tragic case and another in which a whole family, bar one, was murdered in the US the past weekend. Obviously Aus and the US (and many other coutries) are safer than SA, but the whole world is falling apart around us and we are not seeing it as we would rather point our fingers somewhere else, and South Africa is such a convenient target for those pointing fingers.

      Gary - 2011-05-02 08:23

      You are a TWAT

      Wes - 2011-05-02 09:03

      Roanokee The problem is why should you have to lock your doors, when i was growing up people never locked their doors. Now its alarm systems, security gates, burglar bars, dogs and that's only for the wendy hut so you can imagine what the house looks like. Chop the thieving hands off...

      Gary - 2011-05-02 09:34

      Ganaprint Ganashit

  • Paul Mandla Nkosi - 2011-05-01 23:59

    This is very sad, may their soul rest in peace

  • ? - 2011-05-02 00:10

    My comment has nothing to do with this tragedy,but i think that many south africans who do emigrate think that the grass is greener on the other side.This may be the case from an economic,social and political point of view if one emigrates to canada,australia or new zealand,but one of the problems many may be making is to lower their guards which then creates a false sense of safety in their new adoptive country,because they come from a country with a high violent crime rate. Its kinda like someone relocating from johannesburg to cape town and think that its all ok to drive around with your car windows rolled down.

      Gary - 2011-05-05 12:25

      I travel extensively around the world and I can feel the sense of danger when ever I return to home. The crime rate in Aussie is much less than SA therefore a serious crime makes headline news. In SA murder related stories are often not reported unless they involve high profile person there in lies the truth

      Lydia - 2011-05-09 20:55

      They didnt have their door unlocked nor did the guy just walk in... the neighbour shot the door down!

  • F--- My Life - 2011-05-02 00:12

    I'm sorry for their loss. I just hope that the 18th of May will bring some enlightenment to this benighted continent. Stop striking about delivery issue, because that's pointless, vote instead. Vote against the ANC because they haven't delivered in over a decade and I very much doubt they'll change that at all despite any last-minute manoeuvering before the election.

      Sammajoor - 2011-05-02 03:45

      Dream on mate - your vote is useless

      Whistleblower - 2011-05-02 06:39

      @Sammajoor As a white male (from Pretoria) I have managed to form friendships with black people in and around Mamelodi … I often go and “hang out” with my friends over the weekend, play pool, drink beer and eat pap with my hands. I know at least 5 of my mates who won’t be voting on May 18. That means, as a white male, my vote just became 500% more powerful :-)

      GinSA1 - 2011-05-02 06:47

      @Whistleblower - you make it sound like some kind of honor and achievement that you have black friends, and eat pap. Wowowowowowowow to you huh? Whatever, the lady's comments are still valid. Australia, as with many other countries, is still safer than SA. And Sammajoor, you are useless, like any other adult with the ability to vote, and who abandons it. Prat!

      Larissa - 2011-05-02 14:54

      Oh no Sammajoor... Ha Ha Ha - your vote is useless, cos your family. kid's and friends, still going to live in shacks, till Jesus comes. Wanna shack up? Ha Ha Ha....

      Mickey Fin - 2011-05-02 22:28

      @ Whistleblower. You twat! You think you are clever by getting your mates not to vote. Well here's one for you moron. How about getting them to vote for the opposition? Atleast then it is a vote that counts!

  • Yoni - 2011-05-02 00:29

    Sad, but true.

  • skippy - 2011-05-02 00:35

    I'm terribly sorry for the family,it is indeed a tragedy. However, I do believe Australia is safer than SA. I returned to SA last year for 6 mths, getting employment in South Africa was impossible. Most crimes and murders don't even make the news. The Easter Road Death toll was marginally lower in Australia compared to South Africa if you compare the period. For every one murder committed in Australia there is at least 10 committed in SA. Sad as it is, if this family stayed in SA and the murders were committed there, it would have been one of many and would not have received half the media coverage it gets now. In South Africa a Policeman shoots a woman at a Police station ...... a farmer is killed and dragged behind his bakkie, a woman is killed by her Husband/Partner .... the list goes on. I personally don't think SA is safe, I think South Africans have become numb to the violence around them. Police Official don't loose a docket because of a bribe, most people still respect each other and children still play outside, public parks are well maintained and our children can play there safely. No one looks down on how you earn a fair wage, wether you pack shelves or wether you are a manager. People are treated equal, not according to earnings and status.

      patrys1973 - 2011-05-03 19:25

      Skippy, youre the first one here that makes sense. Im proud to be part of a country where i can feel safe and see a future for me and my kids....every country has its problems and Im not blind at those here in Canada!

  • Crystal - 2011-05-02 01:06

    Come on News24 readers, we all know that Aussie has some Xenophobic issues so jaaaa this time it has finally made headlines.

      Mike-O - 2011-05-02 03:22


      Mike-O - 2011-05-02 03:25

      You clearly know stuff all - where do you get that? Have you ever been in Australia? Do you have any idea how many nationalities live in Australia? Do you have any idea what % of those are South African? Shadenfreude - shame on you.

      Sammajoor - 2011-05-02 03:47

      Aussies are the most welcoming people in the world. So unlike South Africans who can't even stand other south Africans.

      Tanya Garach - 2011-05-02 05:24

      Get your facts right before posting such a ridiculous statement.

  • Gert@swart - 2011-05-02 01:12

    LOL Rotting in Hell all of them...

      Sammajoor - 2011-05-02 03:48

      Gert you seem to be part of the problem, certainly not part of the solution. Or is your solution similar to the Final Solution that the Nazis had?

  • bobby thomas - 2011-05-02 01:55

    She probably felt safe where fellow rednecks were still in power.Hard luck.Not gonna shed any tears for you my dear.

      Mike-O - 2011-05-02 03:22

      Another wanker

      GinSA1 - 2011-05-02 06:48

      Wanker of the week goes to - there are so many eligible, but me thinks, bobby thomas. Prat!

  • 8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 01:58

    Do you people even read your own News!? 12 senseless killings in less than a month,I bet I can find a lot more it I actually took the time it took me less than 5 min to find these reports. every country has crime Australia is no exception. The difference is in SA it is so rampant that you have become immune and indifferent to it.

  • Sweetness - 2011-05-02 02:51

    I truly sympathies with this family and I do hope all goes well for them! My assertion is this crime happens everywhere as long as there is a criminal mind around the corner!! There is a lot of people who left this country under the guise that crime is high in this country therefore there has to be a safer place elsewhere! In many instances and not all, those people would have read about the crime but not necessarily having experienced it themselves and I have read so many stories similar to this where the Canaan that people run to becomes the country of their own demise! I arrived in OZ recently and was greeted by the headlines "Man watched as his wife was raped in front of him" I was still at the airport! Fact is whether we want to believe it or not criminal minds exist everywhere and for as long as they exist no country can fully claim to be crime free!! I cannot believe that after loosing my parents and spouse in such a violent manner I can still give credence to any place in the world be it in South Africa or anywhere else in the world! No place will warrant that kind of respect from me!! Crime is crime it doesnt matter where and how it occured!! I still say loosing a loved one will just not be made better by the fact that I was living close to heaven when that crime happened!!!My deepest condolences to this family!!

      Pieter Gey van Pittius - 2011-05-02 08:54

      Thank you Sweetness. I am related to the family in question. We are shocked and very sad. They started a new life. A good life! And now this. It is so senseless and brutal and it is typical of the world we life in. It has nothing to do with race or any related issue. It was just a sad case of an emotionally disturbed man that went on a rampage.

  • Larry - 2011-05-02 03:19

    "This kind of crime doesn’t happen here every day," think that this poor woman has hit the nail on the head. - Moving from South Africa to Australia to escape the violence is really an exercise in risk reduction. There is still violent crime in Australia. - Just not very much of it! Compared to South Africa, Australia remains a very safe country in which to live. The perpetrator of this crime has been caught and will face trial. As will anybody else involved.

  • Larry - 2011-05-02 03:19

    "This kind of crime doesn’t happen here every day," think that this poor woman has hit the nail on the head. - Moving from South Africa to Australia to escape the violence is really an exercise in risk reduction. There is still violent crime in Australia. - Just not very much of it! Compared to South Africa, Australia remains a very safe country in which to live. The perpetrator of this crime has been caught and will face trial. As will anybody else involved.

      Phlegm - 2011-05-02 15:59

      Hahaha Kev from Brisbane, you are a funny man, dont blame Saffers mate, I believe your NZ born Queensland Reds flyhalf is a bit of a criminal?

  • Grimmy - 2011-05-02 03:28

    1 Murder in Aus, now we are safe? That murder accounted for 0.00000001% we have here! And they gone about one murder? Aus media have something to write about, we are 1 more statistic!

      John Wilderness - 2011-05-02 05:48

      I am also living in Oz and I think you need a serious check on reality. Not too long ago a South African was shot on the Gold coast. That is beside the many other attacks and murders occuring in OZ. While statistically things may be better here, Australia does still have very serious crime issues.

      Kevin in Brisbane - 2011-05-02 11:43

      I'm beginning to wonder about the amount of Saffers involved in crime in Aussie. Is it because there's so much crime in Australia ..... or is it because there's so many South Africans in Australia?

  • braveinternetguy - 2011-05-02 03:56

    I see a day that I wake up to headlines proclaiming the victory over the ANC in a general election. I see this country exploding. I see, on streets in towns and cities across South Africa, people smiling broadly at each other in greeting, spontaneous bouts of shared happiness, a morning air appearing to be crisper, cleaner than the years before, the sun shining a little brighter, somehow. I see an entire nation sighing deeply as a great weight is lifted, but with a sparkle of excitement and anticipation in their eyes as this glorious morning heralds in the first daw of a new history, one to strive for, one to be proud of, and i imagine with what inner joy I can one day say to my grandchildren, "yes, I remember that day well!".

      8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 04:08

      You are delusional my friend, sorry to say, look at the rest of Africa and you will see your future.

      Gatvol - 2011-05-02 04:30

      Dream on my friend

      GinSA1 - 2011-05-02 06:51

      Smoking funny stuff so early in the morning braveinternetguy? Change the brand. Reality has no place in your life, clearly.

      Crabapple1 - 2011-05-02 07:58

      Are you on drugs????

      flamewulf - 2011-05-02 20:59

      Bravo, well said braveinternetguy!

  • Wade - 2011-05-02 04:59


      PY - 2011-05-02 05:29

      Well take of the CAPSLOCK and buy a ticket back to SA. As clearly you are not happy in NZ.... and they don't deserve someone like you

      John Wilderness - 2011-05-02 05:45

      @PY - Firstly People do not just emigrate because of crime in SA and like SA, other countries really do have challenges. Secondly, for those still wearing tin foil hats and rose tinted glasses, the reality is that one of the many issues facing NZ and Oz is the behaviour of its youth. I am living in Oz for a long time and what Wade says about the youth on this side of the indian ocean is very relevant. Thirdly while that may be the first incident of such a crime happening to an SA family it certainly is not the first home attack murder occuring on Australian shores. While it may not occur as frequently as what it occurs in SA, home attacks and murder is definitely a sad reality of Australian life. Now that does not mean we are unhappy living here. Infact the opposite is true because like SA, australia also have many positive things happening for which I am very greatful.

      Andre' - 2011-05-02 06:02

      The last stats I saw had the Australian unemployment rate at slightly over 5%, so stop writing crap.

      GinSA1 - 2011-05-02 06:56

      Wow. Sore eyes now! It's called Caps Lock. Use it. Then learn to spell. I'm surprised they've kept you on in NZ. Next, don't talk crap about morals, discipline and respect being prevalent in SA. BS of the highest order. Job opportunities - repeat please............... Why don't you come back to this wonderful country, filled with honesty, ethics, respect, jobs for all, including the minority? I must be living in a different country

      8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 06:57

      Unfortunately for you yelling something out loud does not make it true. We in Australia a country, more culturally diverse than South Africa can ever hope to be. With our problem youth and our apparent spiralling crime rate, have managed to be ranked in the top 3 countries on the World Human Development Index (currently number 2) for more than 10 years. South Africa with its high Moral standards and equality for all has fallen more than 20 places to 110, bested by places like Kyrgyzstan, Philippines, Gabon, Sri Lanka and Turkmenistan, and they all sound like really fun places to life… PS: NZ is ranked Number 3.

      Luckybugger - 2011-05-02 08:08

      Wade life is about choices i don't see why it such a big issue whether people immigrate or not, surly you can live where you want if you qualify to do so, that the world is sick is a fact, some contries are sicker than others, Aus has roughly half of the population that SA has, the murder stats for SA are 46.1 murders per day and not withstanding that these stats can be incorrect coming from the ANC, the last murder stats posted for Aus when we were looking to immagrate in 2008 253 and 29 homicide's for the calender year, if the stats are correct SA wipe out more people in a week than Aus do in a year, and more people die violently per day in SA than in the war in Iraq and Pakistan, SHOCKING STAT

      hemingwodebeck - 2011-05-02 12:02

      If you can’t be bothered to write what literate people agree is a generally acceptable style, I can’t be bothered to read your caps locked ravings.

      Heks - 2011-05-02 20:35

      Wade. You have been away from SA for too long! You have forgotten how rotten SA kids are. South Africans are the most spoilt home owners in the world. As Lazy as Hell!

      Podgette - 2011-05-03 09:03

      Sad to say Wade, but lots of SA youth are going that way too, just a couple of years behind....

  • Gavin Mannion - 2011-05-02 05:08

    I really feel for her that she is justifying what happened.. it's such a terrible tragedy and yet she still defends it

      PY - 2011-05-02 05:33

      How is claiming Auz is safer then SA justifying what happened in anyway. Stop regurgitating comments from other moronic posts!

  • Konsoomer - 2011-05-02 05:59

    Great country. But isn't it full of Australians?

      GinSA1 - 2011-05-02 06:56


      Crabapple1 - 2011-05-02 08:00


      8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 08:25

      Australians; English, Scottish , Welsh, Irish, Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, German, Turkish, Maltese, Italian, Polish, American and any number of African countries to name but a few. In fact 20% off Australians were born else where.

  • Kobus - 2011-05-02 07:43

    These atrocities are anomalies in countries such as New Zealand, Australia and Canada. In South Africa, violent crime has become the norm. It is really sad that there are some South Africans who would gleefully point to a crime abroad; it is a form of denial of what is happening in SA.

  • Bashful1 - 2011-05-02 08:29

    I've tried to resist commenting, but alas... I'm emigrating next year and I can honestly say that I'm not only leaving because of the crime rate in South Africa. Yes it is a factor, but I'm leaving because I cant stand the lack of regard for others and the sense of entitlement which seems to be a character flaw of many South Africans. Poor driving (Traffic lights, poor road etiquette, not knowing how a traffic circle works etc), littering (when a bin is 10m from the litterbug), being nudged along by massive bosoms in a queue, drinking and driving, poor teaching conditions, better services in Aus (you actually get the service that you've paid for) and most importantly I'm leaving for financial reasons. Stop harping on about crime and pointing fingers at expats. Every person/family has their own reasons for leaving and believe it or not, they're not all crime related. The murders in Australia are generally committed by mentally unstable people. Rather that than being killed for R20 or raped for nothing. Oh and for the idiot that's going to comment "good riddance" I couldn't agree more.

      8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 08:35

      Hi mate, Where are you moving to?

      Bashful1 - 2011-05-02 08:39

      Moving to Perth and looking forward to it.

      8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 08:47

      I've been in Aus since 2005 and I've never looked back. Lived in Perth for most off it too. don't be fooled though, we have our own set off problems over here, and it can get very frustrating at times, but over all its is so much better. if you need any advice or just want to chat give me a shout. you just have to remember that its going to be one of the hardest things you will ever do, but if I had the choice I will do it all again tomorrow.

      Bashful1 - 2011-05-02 10:03

      Thanks man. That's very sweet of you. It is going to be tough, but I'm going with the right mindset and hoping that'll help me.

      8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 10:51

      You can contact me on I don't really care if I get spamed on that email. having the right mindset is very important, you have to be very honest with your self about why you are doing it. and even then its will still be very hard.

      Rupesh - 2011-05-02 11:41

      Good luck man. I just recently moved back to SA from the US. Moving can be tough and I am still trying to fit certain things here, but you are right, the right mindset is what you need. good luck.

      braveinternetguy - 2011-05-02 15:51

      My wishes for you are for a triple dose of chronic homesickness! Riddance!

      Heks - 2011-05-02 20:44

      Bashfull. Good luck. It will be hard the first year, but persevere and always remember why you left SA (for whatever reason) It is a great life.

      Bashful1 - 2011-05-03 12:56

      Braveinternetguy is clearly the guy that's been thumbsdowning all the comments. Thanks for the support the rest of you. Means a lot that you can take your time to encourage a stranger. Braveinternetguy thanks for making my last sentence relevant that also means a lot to me.

  • Thulani Thabethe - 2011-05-02 08:45

    condolences to the family, it is so said to escape the hospital and reach the jail. if murders are blacks as most of whites believe, who did that in australia? for wht reason? I DON"T KNOW, MAYB SOMEONE KNOWS!!,!,!!!,

      Andries Pretorius - 2011-05-02 09:09

      Illiterate fool!

      braveinternetguy - 2011-05-02 15:54

      Thulani, you may need some adult guidance for this, but go read up on MURDER RATES PER CAPITA and then YOU TOO CAN KNOW

  • CNA-LOL-BS - 2011-05-02 08:45

    I smell a rat?

  • Lennox - 2011-05-02 08:53

    A coloured friend of mine jokingly said to me the other day that ever since South Africans, coloureds to be more specific, started moving Down Under, the crime rate has spiked. We had a good laugh about the tongue in cheek humour but does he have a point? Do you know that Auckland has a major problem when it comes to illegal firearms?

  • Slapper - 2011-05-02 09:04

    I agree, This happens to us on a daily basis, year after Year. They were very unlucky to have a maniac as a neighbor.

  • Carl Muller - 2011-05-02 09:08

    Tell that to your parents....

  • Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-02 09:56

    The only danger in Australia is the wildlife.

      Andre' - 2011-05-02 12:36

      And the Saffers lol

      Heks - 2011-05-02 20:46

      Kom nou Vaal Donkie!!! Wild animals are MUCH more dangerous in SA!

  • elaine.kloppers - 2011-05-02 10:02

    Just been to Adelaide. and petty crime and murders take place every day in Aus. In South Africa it is reported on every minute of the day. Crime occurs all over the world. So when your numbers up its up?

      Andre' - 2011-05-02 12:37

      haha, Elaine is a bullshitter par excellance

      liesl - 2011-05-03 13:39

      Just spent a week in Scotland. The most horrifying news in the local newspaper was that a satnav was stolen from a car. A reward was offered for its return or information leading to the arrest of the culprit. LOL - theft don't make the news in SA anymore.

  • Donald Mathray - 2011-05-02 10:21

    Hi All Are there really any safe countries? We are at the mercy of international crooks who prey on new democracies and weak,greedy politicians.

  • Andre - 2011-05-02 10:42

    I want to believe SA is as safe/dangerous as any other country, but remember, we in SA must still deal with trigger happy cops as well.

  • Sizwe - 2011-05-02 10:45

    This is a sad statement. I have lived in SA all my life and by exercising practical caution and implementing simple security measures one minimises the risk of a home invasion or any high-risk crime. Attitude is the first weapon against crime. As to the comparison of Aus and SA dear lady your family was butchered in Aus not SA so in your case I do not see the best of Aus working in your favour, since you want to call a spade a spade let's be factual then. You chose to leave, its a right you exercised and no one can take that from you, now leave SA be.

  • Andre - 2011-05-02 10:45

    I believe SA is as safe/dangerous as any other country, but....... remember - In SA we have trigger happy cops....

  • Andre - 2011-05-02 10:45

    I believe SA is as safe/dangerous as any other country, but....... remember - In SA we have trigger happy cops....

      Kevin in Brisbane - 2011-05-02 11:47

      So it's the cops fault there's so much crime? What about all the victims who aren't armed or who don't resist, that get killed and brutalised anyway?

  • motsokwane - 2011-05-02 10:55

    She must tell why her lover, killed her husband and her parents for trying to warn her about the dangers of having an extra marital affair.

      Fred - 2011-05-02 11:46

      You are an unthinking, unfeeling moron.

      skippy - 2011-05-02 18:50

      WTF??? are you smoking?

      monique.mccloskey - 2011-05-03 05:23

      Think before you write!

      liesl - 2011-05-03 13:41

      uhmmmm ... point me to your source, please? I didn't read anything about a lover in the piece above?

  • Ghost - 2011-05-02 11:25

    Thanks Captain obvious.

  • Fred - 2011-05-02 11:34

    I'm really sorry for the Mombers' loss, and I'll pray for comfort to the family. I know it won't bring them back. I just thank the Lord that my daughter is also living in Australia, where she feels totally safe, after being attacked and shot at in her flat here in South Africa. Whatever the negative people say, there is no doubt that Australia is a million times safer than South Africa, not only in terms of crime and violence, but also on the roads where 99% of the road-users respect and obey the law. Even their Prime Minister doesnt have to have a bunch of armed thugs (sorry, "bodyguards") watching over them, and they generally fly economy on the standard airlines. We, and especially our government, have a lot to learn from Australia, but it begins from the top.

      Rupesh - 2011-05-02 11:38

      We have a LOT to learn from Australia, but Australia also has a LOT to learn from us. Like, they should stop attacking Indians due to xenophobia, they should stop their still horrible treatment of the natives, etc. In this world, we have a lot to learn from each other. Wish we could all start.

      Doublepost - 2011-05-02 12:21

      Well, first you need to show some facts to back up your silly idea that Aussies attack Indians simply because they are xenophobic. Most of the time it isn't even Aussies but Immigrants from other countries showing why "Diversity is - scratch that- isn't our strength." Most Aussies are sick and tired of the Indian media bashing them as racist rednecks and I agree with them. The same story plays out over and over again in Australia. Some poor Indian oke gets attacked and suddenly it is all over the news as some "racist" attack. Then months later after a full investigation is done, the true facts come out and it was once again an immigrant from another country. Of course that is only printed on page 20 while the first untrue article was displayed with massive writing on page 1. If you Indians don't like Whites, why do you feel the need to move to Australia?! Stay in Indian where your loving Caste system works such wonders. Just don't touch know whats!

      Heks - 2011-05-02 20:50

      Right said Fred!

      Donald Mathray - 2011-05-02 23:48

      @Doublepost If you don't like it Aus then .....could change to If you don't like it in SA then....The caste system doesn't define all Indians.But your attitude actually validates the view that Aussies attack Indians. People move emigrate for different reasons but they move because the world is now a global village and we go where we can grow our families. Now the Aussies ,all of them emigrated or were sent there.Its a big continent and I sure all of you can live peaceably.

  • Doublepost - 2011-05-02 12:24

    My sympathies to the family. My you all find peace eventually!

  • onetickie - 2011-05-02 12:58

    This Australian murderer should be brought back and jailed for life in a South African jail. Whilst those who were killed can never be brought back, it would be justice to have him serve life in a SOUTH AFRICAN JAIL.

      liesl - 2011-05-03 13:43

      We don't need another, imported, murderer - we've got plenty of our own. Not even in jail.

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  • Slkruger - 2011-05-02 13:18

    I agree, crime happens everywhere. We left SA nearly 12 years ago and have lived in England and now the USA, where we are staying as we have found the life we want for ourselves and our children. To everyone who has been very ugly with their words of the people who have left for better lives - no, we don't have our maids anymore, no we don't all have private swimming pools and full time gardeners and some of us even have jobs you may find beneath you, but you don't know the freedom of not having bars on your windows, being able to leave the front door open for some fresh air or simply taking a walk down the road to visit a friend or go for coffee. You don't know the freedom of not living in fear every single day that today is going to be the day you're attacked in your own home — or worse. I admire you staying for what you find important in your lives, but don't put down the ones who find joys in simple freedoms.

  • Irené - 2011-05-02 13:31

    Condolences, but I would think if your child is in critical condition, and your husband, mother and father all dead, you would not be thinking of comparisons at that time. Its just weird, I can imagine she is in shock and traumatised, but why bring up SA's crime rates? She probably harbors deep resentment for SA and its people, her family were murdered in AUs, not here, but the first news from the family is that they still think crime isnt bad in Aus. Your friggen family was mowed down and thats what your thinking of- weird.

      Susan_Kanada - 2011-05-02 16:42

      Maybe she's taking a philosophical stance here: the end result was exactly what she wanted to avoid: her family killed as a result of crime. But the circumstances of the crime could have happened anywhere in the world. This was not a random attack, it seems. For some reason the neighbor had it in for them. What is so weird about it. Wouldn't that be the first thought in your head also in these circumstances: to mull over whether you made the right decision? She did, and this was her answer. Maybe she needs to believe that to go on with her life. My husband knows an ex-South African who relocated his family to Canada, also for safety reasons, and his wife ended up raped and killed when she went out jogging , in a "safe" small town, where hers was only the second murder that entire year. Very unfortunate, but also no country is totally crime free. All a matter of risk

      monique.mccloskey - 2011-05-03 05:20

      You have obviously not been in her shoes and walked the journey she has. When my daughter was raped in good old Australia, I reacted in ways I never thought possible. We try and find a reason for the loss we experience-regardless what it may be. But what we miss is our family, friends and social and cultural understanding. My daughter may have been raped anywhere in the world, but my culture and my fellow country men would have responded in a very different way-high crime rate or not. Its not the crime that people respond to its the surroundings and the attitude of the people. As fellow South Africans in a foreign country i offer my support and prayers. I would like to see us stand together and help each other and understand that to go through a trauma like that so far from home isn't easy-regardless of the reasons we are there.

  • jock van wyk - 2011-05-02 14:25

    your husband is dead in south africa and still alive at 66 years old so what are you saying

      8lack8ear - 2011-05-02 14:43

      No one said life is fair buddy.

  • Susan_Kanada - 2011-05-02 16:36

    You can run into trouble with the neighbor anywhere in the world, so whether or not Australia is safer than SA isn't even an issue here , though everyone knows Australia IS safer. It's all a matter of risk, and the risk is way higher in SA. But no location in the world is gonna save you from a "nut bar" neighbor bent on revenge. One of our neighbors here in Canada is a total jack*ass, complained when we put up a fence, refused to pay any part of it ( for the part bordering his property), wanted me to cut the grass on BOTH sides of the fence ( yes, even his side! I refused), let his 8 year old kid damage the fence with a tractor and never had it repaired. etc etc) we stay out of his way as much as possible. Neighbors are a necessary evil and though i am on friendly terms with some of them, I avoid a "buddy buddy" situation. Never get too friendly ( or mad) with someone who lives next door and knows exactly when you're home....or not...

  • feppie - 2011-05-02 16:58

    Safer? Tell that to the dead person's family!

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  • flamewulf - 2011-05-02 20:30

    "Australia still safer, says SA expat after murders" LOL

  • debbi.demetriou - 2011-05-02 21:05

    its amazing how many ex pats have been murdered robbed and attacked since leaving SA. No country is immune to crime

      marco - 2011-05-02 21:31

      That's right mate so many SA born people get's murdered overseas and still they have the brass balls in the world to come on this forum bashing their country of birth.South Africans got murdered overseas even under Apartheid Rule just wonder if any of their two faced hypocrisy is based on a black government's control in SA.It has to be otherwise why else are so many being thankful to get bad things happen to them in the fantasy Land of Oz.

  • carmela - 2011-05-02 22:32

    All I wanted to do in the old dark deary days was to leave this place of doom.Today I feel we live in a very exiting place, with all the dangers that come with our new democracy. People have always had a reason to leave their place of birth-my perants came from Europe to escape poverty. South Africa has always been a very frenzied place to live in. In the past most South Africans lived in fear for many reasons. Today people who have always been disadvantaged still live in squalor -it will take more than one generation to uplift the masses. When young people grow up in dehumanizing conditions-no toilets ,no water, no dignity. In our new South Africa many people feel that should leave because of the crime ,even though i suspect the reason that most leave for more complex reasons. I feel that I would rather die from a crime I understand that a senseless unexpected crime in a foreign land. In the mean time our family business tries to help by employing dozens of people. South Africa is often compared with other counties, this is often done by ignorant people who have never been anywhere else. We are unique in our history and our journey through transformation...and have been and lived in many countries. So, hey we really can not escape our destiny , a desperate shack deweller, a crazy next door neighbour in Australia, a terrorist attach in New York, London or Madrid ..who knows