Ban labour brokers: Vavi

2012-03-03 18:00

Johannesburg - The labour broking system must be banned in South Africa, Cosatu said on Saturday.

"We want a total ban of the system," the Congress of SA Trade Unions secretary general Zwelinzima Vavi said.

He was speaking at the regional congress of the National Union of Metal workers SA (Numsa) in Tshepisong near Roodepoort.

He told workers there was a different view of labour broking between the federation and government.

"Government wants labour broking regulators, while we want it banned."

He explained that government was of the view that labour broking should be allowed for the first six months of employment.

"Cosatu does not want to see even one day of labour broking," he said to the applause of the crowd.

He called on workers to join a protest march on Tuesday.

The march would be against labour broking and the Gauteng e-tolling system.

"In no time everyone will be paying for the use of public roads."

Vavi said the e-toll system was equal to the privatisation of roads.

He said that it was not true that only the elite were driving on the highways.

"The working class also used the roads," he said.

  • Bakers - 2012-03-03 18:50

    Revise the labour law. If you relax a few of the conditions you will create employment. As things stand now no one wants to employ more people as it is impossible to dismiss them if the work situation changes. It is easier to close a company than settle some labour issues. Look at the seasonal worker worldwide and see how they accept that when the job is over it’s over. Not so in SA : Now we march off to the CCMA and see if we can screw our last employer some more. The minimum wage issue in the textile industry is a good example. Close down 10 factories and lose 10,000 jobs, suck up to the Chinese and import cheaper than we can make it here. Job creation starts with some intelligent thinking. Better get your thinking cap on Mr Vavi. Accept that in rural South Africa a little money is better than no money at all. Think of all those jobs lost in Natal when your minimum wage closed all those factories. Go look see how many of those workers have managed to find work again ? 1% ? Thats the reason for labour brokers. Regulate them. Allow lower wages in certain sectors. Smell the roses dude this is still Africa and will be subject to third world rules for a very long time still. Sorry.

      pws69 - 2012-03-03 19:39

      Vavi doesn't care about non unionised workers. Unemployment could sit at 90% as long as the union members (who pay fees, funding Vavi's lifestyle - he lives 3 blocks from me here in Sandton) are protected.

      Morne - 2012-03-03 19:59

      Spot on!

  • Kusleg - 2012-03-03 18:59

    Labour brooking =SLAVERY...!

      Bakers - 2012-03-03 19:22

      @ Kusleg According to Wikipedia: Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work. Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. Historically, slavery was institutionally recognized by many societies; in more recent times slavery has been outlawed in most societies. Usually the labour broker negotiates a wage or rate and all parties agree? Slaves do not have that choice. Think a little further now,once we ban the labour broker, where are these newly unemployed workers going to go to get work. Can they come and knock on your door. Be very careful once the unemployed rise up against the system. I think that’s call revolution. Look it up and while you are there do socialism as well and come and share your newly discovered truths.

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-04 10:41

      No its not. Next thing you are going to compare zille to hitler ne :P

  • Wesley - 2012-03-03 19:00

    Ask the 1000s of people that are going to loose there job what they think.

  • pws69 - 2012-03-03 19:09

    Vavi only cares about protecting 2 million jobs. Unemployment will go up.

  • Cracker - 2012-03-03 19:39

    Vavi is misleading the workers. As for marching against toll gates, he and his Cosatu are as anti-white as they can get. He can march without my white skin support. He's in any case a loser.

  • Nkosinathi - 2012-03-03 19:40

    Mr Vavi, I challenge you to take out a mortgage on your house, sell the car, get a bank loan and try starting up a company. Create the employment you go on about so much. See how easy it is to risk losing your house (and the missus) to start a company and employ people who will spemd a sizable amount of time smoking, going on about Kaizer Chiefs and Pirates and toyi toyi at the slightest grievance. This pontificating about labour this and labour that is not taking us anywhere. Tell us how COSATU is creating employment. With the levels of unemployment in this country it is the responsibility of everyone COSATU, Gvt, employers, everyone to create employment. The so called labourers need to catch a wake up and start their own thing if they are not happy with their lot. Don't apply to be a labourer and then tell the person who risked all to start the company how to run the show.

      Barend - 2012-03-03 19:58

      The biggest job creation drive in the history of SA is the planned R800 billion infrastructure plans over the next 3 years. I just don't know if the ANC is capable of spearheading this operation without serious fraud. Other then that this country will be turned around in 3yeas time don't you think? I can't even count R800 billion, it really is just so much money

      Irene - 2012-03-03 20:01

      Spot on!

  • malcolm - 2012-03-03 19:46

    Ban the unions. They do far less than labour brokers for the workers. They are a money making racket of obese proportions.

  • The Real Unskinny - 2012-03-03 20:06

    How about BAN unions?

  • Cracker - 2012-03-03 20:21

    If only SOMEBODY would explain how more jobs will be created or safeguarded if labour broking is banned it would be appreciated. They are kicking the enterpresneurs while the jobless in the country rises alarmingly. I wish I knew why some of my other comments here earlier were removed.

      Grendah Ramjee - 2012-03-03 22:02

      fool employer are in it for themselves not for the workers. if they had the employees interest at heart they would be paying employees a living wage.

      Cracker - 2012-03-03 22:59

      @ Grendah... Why should they be in it for others? If you don't like it become an employer yourself. They truth is that you you lack the abilities and are probably too lazy. ]Why should anybody start and run businesses for the sake of others? Why don't the workers then do it for the sake of their fellow workers? Why don't you, the caller of fools, do it? Do for the sake also of yourself. And bear in mind that we are not talking race here. See all the many multiracial businesses around you. So don' try the race card and enjoy that drink you are having with gratitude. Without the employer you would be sitting there dry mouthed.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-03-04 12:25

      @Grendah, What is a living wage. R2500p/m, R5000p/m, R10000p/m, people carry on about a living wage, what is it.

  • Lacrimose - 2012-03-03 20:52

    Ah Vavi, Vavi, you out-dated, toothless old cat. It's very easy to make cute sound-bites for the press; "ban labour brokers", "education schools to stop vowelence", "corrupt people must go". Little substance behind any of it. Apply your 'collective mind' to find *constructive* solutions. Thus far it's just more of the "if we don't like it let's kill/burn/destroy it" mentality.

  • Cracker - 2012-03-03 21:06

    What a pity that employees can't start businesses and then choose their bosses. It is always left for employers to set the wheel rolling by starting businesses and then take the workers on board. And yet the trade unions and their members try to pretend that the bosses are the exploiters whose main purpose is to play games for own amusement with the workers and their trade unions. Meanwhile the number of unemployed is continuing to outstrip the availability of jobs - at an increasing rate.

      Grendah Ramjee - 2012-03-03 21:57

      please don't be stupid, no one starts a business to employ anyone, business people start businesses for personal gain. that's why they always have this overwhelming need to abuse workers needs.

      Cracker - 2012-03-03 23:02

      Of course you start a business for you own benefit. That is the whole point. Now why don't the so-called workers do the same? Are you pissed or what?

      Cracker - 2012-03-03 23:19

      Let me add. Don't be such a parasite to always expect employers must be responsible for your so-called living wage. If you dislike it then become an employer yourself. Until you do you will be dependent on those who show guts and skills and the eventual ability to organize the allocation of resources for the benefit of ALL. That they don't always manage to achieve the massive wealth to satisfy the needs of everybody - obviously through their business acumen and activities - does not make failures of them. It is a case of the demands by the parasites who don't start their own enterprises and who always demand that others look after them, being beyond any reasonable prospect of success. Don't always look to others to satisfy your needs like a living wage. Only so many can generate wealth and only so many can look after so many of the followers. We need some hard honesty in this country and the trade unions are being absolutely dishonest. They are just another pressure group parasiting the employers. What have they ever done to create jobs for their members? Or assist in such creation?

  • Motho - 2012-03-03 21:27

    They are crooks Cde Vavi. There is one called Mindworx consulting based in Parktown, Johannesburg.

      Lacrimose - 2012-03-03 21:50

      So report them to the dept of labour. We have laws - use them.

  • Renier - 2012-03-03 22:09

    Problem with labour brokers is: The cost to the company hiring workers through brokers are not that much less. The workers have no/few benefits and the owner of the labour company gets filthy rich.

      Cracker - 2012-03-03 23:08

      Become a labour broker yourself and don't complain. If they become filthy rich (and many don't and many go under) it is as a result of factors that unfavorable to both employer and employee in the current system. Both employer and employee find it beneficial to make use of the current labor broking regime. You can try to legislate against human tendencies and the economy. The truth will come back to bite all the people of this country. Point remains: Can it be explained how jobs will be created or protected by banning labour brokers?

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-03-04 06:59

    Firstly the labour laws of this country have created the need for labour brokers , the laws are one sided in favour of the employee , secondly why is it wrong that the business owner benefits from his business considering that he is carrying all the risk if the business fails the worker walks away whereas the business owner could be left with debt and liability and thirdly if you work at a company and not happy with wages or environment simple solution , leave .

      Kanetso Michael Moleeko - 2012-03-04 10:48

      @michaei kleber, non of what you said make sense but I'm not surprised. Vavi is right about his statement.

      Kanetso Michael Moleeko - 2012-03-04 10:50

      @michael kleber, non of what you said make sense but I'm not surprised. Vavi is right about his statement.

  • ZION - 2012-03-04 07:17

    I suspect there is more behind banning labour brokers than meets the eye. Should the brokers be banned then a demand for brokers will exist and CO0SATU will conveniently step in and create their own form of labour brokers. The answer is to ban the labour brokers that serves COSATU workers but make them available for other workers that have no affiliation with the unions. Vavi cannot dictate to unions outside his mandate.

      Eugene - 2012-03-06 15:30

      Renier....there are some who do get rich and exploit the workers yes, and they should be fined or closed down, but there are a whole lot who treat their employees like gold because they know their employees are their biggest asset, and they don't give them "few" benefits, they look after them well. Its like calling all cops bad because a few were caught breaking the law. Not all labour brokers are getting filthy rich off the employees, only the ones who don't pay their taxes and relevant levies with the bargaining councils - or wait, you didn't know labour broker employees in some industries are members of the bargaining councils, did you? These bargaining councils are the ones who negotiate minimum wages and other benefits, or should I say, they demand.......Get your facts straight please.

      Eugene - 2012-03-06 15:33

      Yes Zion.....he wants all the people for his wife's labour broking company that she ownes.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-04 08:01

    Crazy...this may well be the only way for an individual to find work, VAVI, YOU SIT COZY WITH YOUR HIGH PAID JOB and don't consider the man that needs to feed a family..I think you need to be with the ANC on this and rather put your energy into finding ways to regulate this industry..all above board of coarse.

  • Henri James Christie - 2012-03-04 08:38

    Vavi, get an education..... Empty barrels make the most noise. You are ignorant of the present economic situation in SA, apart from the roll you and your mindless unions have played in limiting growth. Shift your focus from the employers and get your bunch of unruly followers to become more productive and less demanding, the benefits of this will be far reaching

  • Lesley - 2012-03-04 09:18

    Cosatu does not like labour brokers becaus they are noy getting a percentage of the workers wages.

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-04 10:43

      Because they cant strike :P

  • Jeffrey Mangz Longwe - 2012-03-04 13:21

    LISTEN ive worked for these brokers before when i was employed for a large company in its call centre, what they do is regenerate people over and over again coz these brokers are always willing to supply ppl, the poor client who calls in gets the worst service because of having newly recruited ppl who f*ck up big time coz they learning on the job. the company doesnt care coz they are saving big time with the regeneration process. So next time u get bad service especially in call centres AND WE ALL HAVE, u must smile and come read these same comments u have been postingn YES SMILING NOW? get back in touch with reality man

      tiaan.laubscher - 2012-03-04 23:06

      I worked for labour brokers too. we are only cheap labour to them and nothing more

  • tiaan.laubscher - 2012-03-04 23:04

    I am against Labour brokers. I have work for labour brokers and they are my biggest obstacle to obtaining a permanent position. I am trying to get a permanent position. I am being paid half the salary what the permanent workers are getting. I am putting in more hours than the permanent workers. I have a B-Tech: Management degree, but yet the permanent guys only have matric, how is this fair? . I am being treated like cheap labour and I have a higher education. I am doing better than most of them. My work is more accurate, but yet. I am seen as a temp. I don't even have medical, pension or company benefits. this after two years of work. Guess what too. my contract is coming to an end. I wasted two years. Labour brokers should go. I am against them and I will be until they can prove me otherwise

  • nchukana - 2012-03-06 14:01

    With a labour broker you do not know how much you cost a company. You are vulnerable to unfair labour practices with out protection because the company will tell you that you are not part of their staff so report any thing done by their personnel to you to your agent who still wants more business to them. Companies prefer brokering because they are able to break each and every labour law with out being challenged. You complain as a temp you are immediately fired and having worked for six years. Actually Labour broking should be criminalized.

  • Glad Marule - 2013-05-31 10:55

    Vavi please please please please help us ban labour broker im working but i don't get fridge allowance please please god Vavi please

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