Bees Roux: Justice, cop's family says

2011-09-09 22:15

Pretoria - Blue Bulls rugby player Bees Roux will not have to serve jail time for killing a metro police officer with his bare hands, but will have to pay the man's family R750 000 in compensation.

Judge Nomonde Mngqibisa-Thusi sentenced Roux late on Friday afternoon to five years imprisonment, wholly suspended for five years, on charges of culpable homicide and driving under the influence in terms of a plea bargain agreement reached with the State.

The conditions include that he must pay the family of his victim, Tshwane metro police officer Johannes Mogale, R750,000 and that he may not be convicted and sentenced to imprisonment for a violent crime within the next five years.

Roux, who was initially charged with murder, kissed and hugged his girlfriend Carien du Toit and shook hands with Mogale's family after being sentenced.

In a statement, he admitted causing Mogale's death in a Pretoria street in August last year by repeatedly hitting Mogale's head with his elbow then punching him and throwing him to the ground.

According to the statement, Mogale had pulled Roux over for suspected drunk driving in the early hours of the morning.

When Roux admitted to having a few drinks at a nearby restaurant, Mogale did not arrest him, but took a bottle of whiskey out of the rugby player's car and gave to two of his colleagues in their car.

Mogale then got into the driver's seat of Roux's car and aggressively demanded the PIN number of his bank card before driving with him to an unknown destination.

According to Roux, it was clear to him that Mogale was on a criminal frolic of his own. He decided to attack Mogale because he feared for his life.

He said he was "a large person with unusual physical strength" who had found himself in an emergency situation, and said he had "anguished over this incessantly ever since the incident".

"I realise that I should have stopped any further assault on the deceased when he landed on the road outside the car.

"I was in a state of agitation and turmoil as a result of the incident, the likes of which I'd never experienced before.

"According to State witnesses, I proceeded to assault the deceased where he was prone on the ground by hitting him with clenched fists... I was screaming and yelling at bystanders to call the police and... at a stage when the deceased had evidently lost consciousness, I proceeded to plead with him to wake up so that he would 'pull through'.

"I admit I exceeded the boundaries of private defence and although I had no intention to murder the deceased, assaulted him and negligently failed to foresee my actions might cause his death," Roux said.

He said he had no prior history of violence and that everyone who knew him described him as a "gentle giant".

According to Roux, Mogale must have stolen his wallet, because it was nowhere to be seen after the incident.

Roux expressed remorse about what he had done and said he had approached Mogale's family and asked for their forgiveness.

Roux's attorney Rudi Krause said "forgiveness was asked and given" during a long and emotional meeting with Mogale's family.

Roux's spokesman James Adams denied that the attack had anything to do with racism and said anyone who knew Roux would confirm that he was a gentle giant with a soft heart and was not a racist.

The Mogale family's spokesperson Richard Taukgobong said the family was satisfied that the plea bargain agreement had resulted in justice for all, although money would never bring his brother back.

He strenuously denied that his brother had been corrupt, although according to the plea bargain agreement, the family accepted Roux's version of the events that night.

  • Phaedioux - 2011-09-09 22:43

    Everybody is now quite happy that this weird event has now been finally 'swept under the carpet'. If this case had followed its course fully, I believe a similar sentence would have been passed - it was good of le Roux to compensate the family for the loss of their income.

      Welleducated - 2011-09-11 07:31

      Bees was taken to an ATM for bribe money, it is unfair that the cop is seen as the victim because it has happened to me before as well. Some cops will try to force you to give them a bribe, even if you do nothing wrong, like the one time I was driving and the cops insisted I was on a cell and I was not. I defended my word to the end. It was all about a bribe!

      Mattewis - 2011-09-12 10:41

      If a similar sentence was passed, it would have been an obvious miscarriage of justice, as it actually still is! "Swept under the carpet is the correct expression". Exceptionally few Metro cops are not corrupt, and this bunch were clearly extorting money from this man prior to the incident. This so-called victim metro cop is no more than a criminal which should have been in prison. Who would have then compensated his family for their loss of income if their breadwinner was in prison where he belonged? I pray that I do not have to appear in court, as I can have no respect for what they call "justice" in this country!

  • pants - 2011-09-09 22:44


      Yoni - 2011-09-10 10:49

      ... if Mogale's family could turn back the clock, would they?

      Shadoz - 2011-09-10 12:55

      Good question makes you wonder.

  • Craigr - 2011-09-09 23:16

    Even the Chief of police's has dirty hands. The whole system is sick.

  • R.Suppards - 2011-09-09 23:20

    Bees, Give it to them an inch at a time. Otherwise they will blow it away in a month.

      Yoni - 2011-09-09 23:54

      The money must be delivered cash in broad daylight for the whole community to see. Throw in a few cases of beer as well as a couple of Okapi knives and see what remains of the corrupt cop's family the next day.

      Cindy2810 - 2011-09-10 13:26

      @Yoni, I am very surprised that you got so many "thumbs-ups" on this post. WTF does his family have to do with the fact that HE was corrupt?!?

      Yoni - 2011-09-10 14:07

      @Cindy2011: You're surprised? Maybe it's because you're a bit dof? Uhm... let me see, oh yes, they must've gained some of his profits and also now gaining a lumpsum of R750k, not in instalments but in one go. I'm sure they're glad to be rid of the crook.

      VM1 - 2011-09-10 14:53

      @Yoni Judging poeple using their relatives or " same kind" treatment is unfair as we do not judge the Jews as greedy blood thirsty money lenders as potrayed in the Merchant of Venice. You Yoni should have been in Aushwitz it is the only place for your racist kind.....

      MIM128 - 2011-09-12 10:29

      You are just one stupid racist who sees life as cheap. I wonder why the editor allows such crap. If indeed he was that innocent, why cant he just allow the Court to determine the innocence or guilt? Not all white people are as clean you and not all blacks are as dirty as you think Mogale was. If you dont believe in this country, just pack your bags and go (I bet you dont have money to even go on holiday there...)

  • Goddok - 2011-09-09 23:21

    This plea bargain raises more questions than answers. If Bees' version was accepted by the family and the court as part of the plea bargain then this guy was corrupt and deserved what he got. Has Mogale's family got no morals or did they knew that he was corrupt, or maybe both?

      Yoni - 2011-09-09 23:55

      Of course they knew he was corrupt but do you think he ever shared the cash he collected from motorists with his greedy family?

      Michael - 2011-09-10 00:13

      No Goddok, this is where you are wrong !!! Even if that cop was corrupt, it does not mean he "deserved what he got". The law only allows you to use deadly force to defend yourself IF you believe that your life is in mortal danger. And let us not forget that a man lost his life + another man has to live with the fact that his actions lead to the death of a person ... a human being just like you and me. Violence is NEVER the solution !!! I hope that all parties involved are able to be at peace and get some closure on these events.

      DanG - 2011-09-10 07:06

      Stillunderapartheid hahahaha The ANC created TRC and HRC could only find the Apartheid government guilty of 7,000 deaths and this was over a period of 42 years. This is only 167 deaths per year and include all black uprisings such as Sharpville etc. Your facts are nonsense. Your threat that white farmers will be killed shows how evil YOU are.

      DanG - 2011-09-10 07:12

      What morons like Stillunderapartheid don't understand is that Bees got a very harsh sentence. The moment that cop did not arrest him, he because guilty of abduction, which is an extremely serious crime. The cop tried to solicit money from Bees in an agressive manner. So we have abduction, with the threat of inflicting grieviously bodily harm etc. In internasional courts any counter measures under these conditions would be construed as self defense, but because the vistim is black the case got special considerations. Bees unfortunately lives in a black country, with a black policeforce and a mainly black judicary. The black justice system knows that they had no case against Bees, which is why they settled. It was very nice of Bees to offer the family money for the loss of income. ........... FACT: This whole sequence of events were caused by the cops and their corrupt activities, therefore they are solely to blame.

      Siff - 2011-09-10 07:18

      @ still underapartheid - Damb I must have missed you! where were you hiding?

      The Observer - 2011-09-12 09:30

      DanG, I don't think the money is paid out of remorse, the cop was dirty and the case stinked. Bees paid and accepted the drunk driving charge not sit another day in the courts (this could have dragged on for years and he would have lost money as he can't pratice his profession), he can carry on with his life now. to the victums brother who was calling whites dogs, victory to us my friend, we knew your brother was a corrupt. VIVA justice was served

  • Laurence Sher - 2011-09-09 23:34

    How can you kill another man and not go to jail??

      Philip - 2011-09-10 00:07

      If you was were in his positiom n, maybe you would have taken his hand to help him to rip of people what they were used to doing. But he messed with the wrong guy.

      Kleinboet - 2011-09-10 03:24

      I'm proud of how you defended yourself Bees

      mobiles - 2011-09-10 05:45

      @stillunderapartheid ! If it was black on white , it wouldn`t even be in the news paper !

      DanG - 2011-09-10 07:15

      Because the police officer did not act lawfully. He abducted another man and tried to hold him to randsom in an agressive manner. It was self defense. The only mistake Bees made was to hit the evil police agent a couple of times to many. In his defense he does not know his own strength.

      Megan - 2011-09-10 08:14

      Stillunderapartheid. Your racism is absolutely disgusting. I note with interest how you are the only person who repeatedly brings up the fact that the corrupt policeman was black and the rugby player white. Were you there on the day this tragedy occured? Did you see everything that happened? Have you followed this story from the beginning or are you only now taking interest in order to spew your brainwashed rascism? The judicary in the country is controlled by the government you voted for, consisting mainly of black judges. I don't have a problem with that but from your repeated, ill-informed comments, you obviously don't trust your OWN people. Culpable homicide charges are laid against ANY person who kills someone in self defence, who hits a peadestrian whose ILLEGALLY walking on the freeway, etc... Not all of those are awarded jail sentences. I agree that Bees used too much force, that he should have controlled himself, but when the adrenaline is pumping through your system, thought only returns later. There is no way the court would have settled for a plea bargain if there was ANY doubt that the reported behaviour of the policeman was untrue. You voted for this government, and now you're pretty much saying that you have no faith in their laws... That pretty much says everything we need to know.

      pawsaw - 2011-09-10 19:41

      Alcohol was an extenuating circumstace no doubt and Bees was known to be drinking at a particular place so ultimately regardless of whether the cop who died was corrupt Bees played into their hands because he was drunk and over-reacted. Gentle giants should not drink and drive any more than the average Joe Citizen or this kind of event can and does happen. The corrupt cop is dead because of extenuating circumstances and the need of his family for reparation/damages. Bees is free and alive and should be grateful.

  • witness.phele - 2011-09-09 23:50

    justice can really be bought by money,but for a man of straw who has committed an offence without intention lyk mr roux did he belongs behind bars.

      Vuzi - 2011-09-10 02:30

      @ stillunderapartheid, everytime you post, my phuza brotha, you prove Botha,Viljoen and Vorster right. It is a pity that all your comments will be gone by morning, but I'll save it in my troll file nevertheless, for future reference...

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-10 02:49

      stillunderapartheid - And they'll just be deleted again. You just don't geddit do you!

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-10 02:50

      Vuzi - well said.

  • Banned - 2011-09-09 23:54

    Interesting precedent the courts are setting. This will hopefully bring a flood of claims from hijacking, murder robbery and rape victims suing for damages. The plea bargain also gives the impression that the state didn't have a decent case and had to resort to this

      Banned - 2011-09-10 00:24

      Its called justifiable homicide, and is a part of law worldwide and has been for many centuries. For example if you shoot someone while they are hijacking or raping you its called justifiable homicide, according to your theory you should get at least 15 years in jail if you shoot your mothers rapist dead as its still homicide. Even McBride should still be in jail now as he killed quite a few people.

      Justme - 2011-09-10 00:36

      stillunderapartheid , please go to bed now......stupid comments in bad English, go sleep it off!!

      Banned - 2011-09-10 00:43

      I'm not white. Your lack of understanding of basic law is coloured by your racist nature. All you can see is a white man and a black man. All I see is a corrupt cop who was prevented from any future criminal activities. If his partners hadn't been using Bees's credit card to buy booze instead of doing their duty then all of this could have been prevented.

      Banned - 2011-09-10 01:10

      Since you cant read 5th paragraph from the top. Let me quote for you : "In a statement, he admitted causing Mogale's death in a Pretoria street in August last year by repeatedly hitting Mogale's head with his elbow then punching him and throwing him to the ground." Which the black judge, accepted into his plea bargain. How much of the R750k are the Mogale's offering you? And yes proud not to be black, but a decendant of a culture thats 10 000 years old and still habitually contributing to the betterment of the human race. What has your race done positively in recent days except a few riots....

      Banned - 2011-09-10 01:36

      hahahahaha You so dumb, by advocating murder you've just admitted you are supporting bees's actions 100%. Remember that white farmer when you starving and eating leaves and worms like your zim brothers. Remember raping that poor innocent woman when Mcbride makes you his butt buddy in jail

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-10 01:43

      Crikey Banned, I don't know where you get your patience from!

      Banned - 2011-09-10 01:50

      @ Pink He amuses me, his tiny mind, his constant repetition and inability to understand that apartheid is over just cracks me up. Ya I know his a troll, but troll baiting is so much fun when you have nothing better to do, and the troll doesn't even realize it even after I post this!

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-10 02:00

      @Banned Just reading his comments make me want to shake some sense into the creep. The mentality is quite frightening and to think that he is allowed to vote is even scarier! The mentality just defies belief. Well done, even though you're just enjoying yourself :)

      Banned - 2011-09-10 02:14

      @ Pink, Thanks, I'm a pretty easy going guy most of the time. This is not the kind of person who would have the guts to stand in public and say these things face to face to anyone. I'd guess his profile as a ANCYL grunt who suddenly has access to PC built in china, using telkoms built by the apartheid government and munching high sugar snacks made in america, with julie on the down low he thinks his the next big thing. Enjoy the show!!!

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-10 02:35

      stillunderapartheid - Go for it boy and along the way I sure do hope you learn some intelligence. It's not about white supremacy or whatever you want to call it. It's about mentality and yours and others extremely skewed view of the world. It's really sad because if you'd only open your mind, you'd soon see what a tit you are. Nobody stole anything from you creep. I BOUGHT my land. I BOUGHT my house. I WORK for myself. I TAUGHT myself. See, nothing for FREEEE! I did it myself without any help from any government or anybody else. It's called taking responsibility for your life and it's only once you learn that, that your life will improve. Nobody, not the ANCrime Syndicate, Cope, nobody is going to do it for you and until you can grasp that concept, you have no future. So, please take your black supremacy along with your victim mentality and shove it where the sun don't shine. Do you hear any other races jumping up and down and squealing about apartheid?

      DanG - 2011-09-10 07:24

      Stillunderapartheid Bees was being taken against his will. This my foolish friend means that he was being abducted. Now my foolish friend, why don't you go read up on the severity that construes the crime of abduction. Bees was the victim as he was the abductee. Culpability therefore falls with the policeman, as it was his actions that led to the whole sequence of events.

      Chris3 - 2011-09-10 07:52

      @stillunder. Hahaha, you spew your hatred against whites all night on this blog, but got the hots for the white women eh, what with you threats of what you'll do to his girlfriend. The sweet irony ahahahaha.....

  • Jack_Parow - 2011-09-10 00:37

    will they get taxed on the 750k? please say yes

      DW - 2011-09-10 18:35

      I actually dont think that they will. I seem to remember something from my tax law (years ago) that this type of payment does not incur tax. I may be wrong and things may have changed, but I dont think so. I know that gambling winnings are currently not taxable but the government is looking to change that law.

  • John Galt - 2011-09-10 01:07

    Bees folded too soon. He could have made a fortune selling Bees Roux masks to the rest of us who have to deal with metro cops daily.

  • TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-09-10 02:22

    I see we have a new troll in our midst - I suspect a reincarnation. Stillunderyourownwhip with limited education: Hit a women, and you hit a rock. Play scissors,paper, all you like. Where did you practice your threats - on your own community? I wish every killer in SA was forced to work and pay for the man or women they removed from their families. It's time jails became work colonies - not a place of rest. In the middle of the desert, with no resources, and a mutual will to survive. This story is too complicated for you to understand. Let all criminals pay back their debt to society in working hours.

      Banned - 2011-09-10 02:41

      Do educated white woman intimidate you? Or does the fact that you'll never have either and one burn you so badly you wanna kill them all? Oh, and apartheid is over, we've had 4 black presidents already, you can move out of the townships now, its safer here in the suburbs!

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-10 02:58

      @Banned Interesting that he/she/it picked up that the troll Tania was referring to was him/she/it. I think he would be intimidated by an ant, let alone an educated white woman. LMAO. I couldn't be bothered with this tosser any longer, but you enjoy yourself and please comment here more often.

      Rastus - 2011-09-10 03:10

      @stillunderthedogpit - was being a retard one of the prerequisites of scaling out of the abortion bucket - because you ain't even know what a township or a township school is all about - you twit!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-09-10 03:17

      I am a real person - which a lot of commentators on News24 are not. stillstandingbendingoverforagoodshot is not. You misinterpreted my entire message. My education came from books - not school. If you do nothing else worthwhile in your life - teach your offspring to read. Leave your vile rhetoric for the bar/shebeen.

      Kleinboet - 2011-09-10 03:21

      @stillunderaprtheid Shame, you brainless little idiot.Isn't apartheid gone for 20 years now? And I dare you, try and take the land, TRY IT! This is not Zim you little twat, here the bullets will fly, millions of it

      Banned - 2011-09-10 03:23

      @ Pink As much as it pains me to admit it, thats definitely a guy, no woman I ever met can be that dumb and stubborn. Later!

      shalynn - 2011-09-10 06:56

      Guys it's simple, he had admitted in writing that he is going to be resposible for killing white people in South Africa, so the next white that is murdered can be blamed on him and he has no case as he has admitted to it. What an idiot.

      DanG - 2011-09-10 07:29

      Stillunderapartheid is still being oppressed. Being such an tower of intellectuality(sic) he does not totally understand the reasons for his oppression. Morons say: "Liberation before educations" These morons will remain eternally oppressed. Inteelectuals say: "Liberation through education" because that is the only way one can be trult free. ......... Now stillunderapartheid is obviously a moron and he believes that he is still under apartheid, because he remains oppressed. He searches for a scapegoat externally, not realizing that the blame lie4s internally, but of course he wouldn't would he.....? being a moron and all. hahaha

  • John - 2011-09-10 03:19

    I don't no why everybody still comments and argues with this "stillunderapartheid" brainless idiot. Let him rant and rave about his stupid ideas because clearly the cockroach fell of the cork in his empty head!!!!!

      mobiles - 2011-09-10 05:51

      That idiot (stillunderapartheid) is just looking for attention !

      CVDL - 2011-09-10 07:10

      He and people like him were the reason for apartheid.

  • halo1472 - 2011-09-10 06:09

    how easy it is in our country to pay for a problem to go away - you can even do it through the courts!

  • JP - 2011-09-10 06:39

    Murder stays murder.......

      DW - 2011-09-10 18:40

      Killing someone is not always murder. Murder is premeditated. You plan to kill the person. In this case he overreacted and underestimated his strength. He is desperately sorry for the act and will live with it on his conscience for the rest of his life. If the slimeball cop had not climbed into his car and demanded his pin number, he would still be alive today (and continuing to perpetrate his corrupt deeds on other citizens). Personally, I think Bees did this country a favour.

  • vegetarian - 2011-09-10 06:49

    @Pink Rot Your culture is very permissive, such as to applaud the killing of an innocent man. No wonder your people have been involved in horrendous atrocities through the ages. How do you hope to rid this country of crime if your people are congratulated when the cause crime. Are you not aware that Bees Roux has increased the crime statistics a level higher by his act of savagery. South Africa is blamed of high crime rate and this man has contributed, yet you applaud him. You are a despicable irrational soul.

      betweenu&me - 2011-09-10 07:20

      I can't get over all the comments here, applauding Bees's actions. People are so desensitised - I don't think they really have a cooking clue what it must be like to take someone's life and live with yourself afterwards. No matter the circumstances. There is too much testosterone on this forum!!

      DanG - 2011-09-10 07:31

      Your culture in turn is pure evil, because they have killed, tortured and raped thousands of whites since the end of apartheid, yet not even one black voice speaks out against these crimes against humanity.

      vegetarian - 2011-09-10 07:55

      @DanG I have always condemned the killing of farmers and actually find this activity revolting. I have also heard government leaders condemning these murders, while at the same time pointing out that crime affects all sectors of the population. It is people like you who contribute to the increasing crime. You deny the obvious that crime goes hand in hand with appalling levels of poverty and lack of education. If all can work to harness the country's resources towards removing people from squalor, crime can decrease drastically. I once visited Cape Town and what I saw there as the plane was descending over the shacks made me conclude that that environment is more conducive to criminal behaviour than orderly living. How on earth can you hope to apprehend a criminal among those congested shacks. In fact for those who dwell in such horrible environs, prison is a much better place. When we eliminate those horrible conditions, prison will no longer be attractive to opportunistic criminals, only habitual criminals will continue with their evil trade.

  • AJO - 2011-09-10 07:12

    Geld wat stom is, maak reg wat krom is.

      CVDL - 2011-09-10 07:21

      Die geld is 'n bysaak. Dit was net "to clinch the deal". Ek dink Bees se regspan wou nie die kans in 'n al hoe meer ge-Afrikaniseerde en al hoe meer korrupte regstelsel waag nie, maar onder 'n normale en beskaafde stelsel sou hy onskuldig bevind word.

  • jacogreeff - 2011-09-10 07:45

    Every corrupt cop should meet up with a "bees" and have their heads banged in. I'll rather trust a stranger next to the road than our ANC appointed BEE cops !!!

      betweenu&me - 2011-09-10 08:01

      Wow, you're so macho aren't you. You're no better than the corrupt cops, you silly fool in front of your stoopid flag.

      wbs777 - 2011-09-10 09:04

      @betweenu&me: learn to spell before commenting on here you idiot.

      betweenu&me - 2011-09-10 09:55

      @wbs777: I extend the "stooooopidness" to you as well.

  • ellajessica - 2011-09-10 08:01

    what would have happen if Bees was poor,would the Mogola family still forgive Bees?

      Banned - 2011-09-10 10:13

      That is a very good question!

  • Juliana - 2011-09-10 08:04

    So, when a white guy kills a black guy the white guy must pay?? What about all the white people that are killed every day?

      vegetarian - 2011-09-10 08:26

      Some white people are killed by criminals, not blacks. There is so much violence within the community itself e.g. If the man is broke he usually kills the innocent wife If the man is jilted he kills the innocent female If wife is cheating the man kills her though she has committed no crime If the woman is assertive she is killed by the man If the wife earns more the man becomes jealous and kill her The white community seems to be very stressed due to reducing cash on hand ever since the end of apartheid, hence the violence. Only yesterday a 41 year old dentist hacked the wife and then drove into a truck.

      DeathDealer - 2011-09-10 11:50

      Vegie ,what nonsense are you writing ?

      DW - 2011-09-10 18:43

      Vegie, do you have a problem with men in general? Shame. Maybe you need some meat

      Goddok - 2011-09-10 20:34

      Hi Veggie, Except for my wife cheating all these things is evident in our marriage of nearly 27 Years. Thus you recon I should have killed her by now?

  • Goddok - 2011-09-10 08:13

    On a more serious note. Stillunderapartheid you need counseling for anger management.

      CVDL - 2011-09-10 10:03

      He also needs some functional brain cells.

  • cgtours - 2011-09-10 08:29

    Vegetarian, you saw the shacks from the air flying into Cape Town? Did you see any of those shacks 18 years ago flying into Cape Town? If you can afford to fly, you possibly own a house/car/furniture/have a job? Did you just arrive somewhere and get the house/car/job for free?If you are a man, do you have 1 wife and children you are able to support?If a woman, has your husband got 1 wife or 3/4/5 and children by the dozen that he cannot support? You see, the people in the shacks did not come from Mars or fall out of the sky! They just arrive/build a shack/no jobs/ etc children by the dozens( and still bearing more) and then they WANT a free hous/water/electricity/transport etc is in the genes and mentality and of their own making and doing!A responsible person who wants to relocate first goes to find a job.THEN looks for housing, then decides if he can afford it and then arrives and moveds into the hiouse and starts work! Right? These coming here to squat have land and homes in Ciskey/Transkei/Zimbabwe/ - you name it!!They go back there for HOLIDAYS! We do not go to their lands go and squat there etc. this is where we wer born from 1652 in the Cape Town! SO sorry man, NO SYMPATHY! they must go and make their lives in their birthplace if they cannot arrive here and support themselves in a decent environment. They are a menace and pollute wherever they go!Also off course bring the crime,littering/rubbish etc..

      Aleg - 2011-09-10 12:04

      18 years ago, 10 - 15 thousand Ciskeians, Transkeians, etc, were bussed in every month in order to have enough numbers for the ANC to win the Western Cape. The Western Cape was sold to them with the promise that it was a place where the roads were figuratively paved with gold & promises of a better life. The conditions they found themselves in, however, they still perceived to be better than the lush countryside of the Transkei et al etc, which was rapidly deteriorating due to bad agricultural practices which lead to erosion as a result of over-grazing in some areas, etc. They left an infrastructure which also on a downhill journey to relocate to the promised land. However, a point I really want to get across is that there is so much vitriol being bandied about in this column, & I wonder whether there will be as much the next time a lesbian, heterosexual female or child in the townships gets raped and murdered, & the criminals go free, or whether the next time a man on his way home from work gets stabbed/assaulted/killed for a cigarette or whatever trivia he is thought to be carrying?

      unwanted - 2011-09-10 15:48

      Dont worry Alex there is plenty of vitriol here every day, even if the title said: Sun will shine in Durban, the commenters would find a way to add vitriol and/or blame the ANC.

      unwanted - 2011-09-10 15:49

      sorry Aleg not Alex

  • dragon - 2011-09-10 09:03

    He strenuously denied that his brother had been corrupt, although according to the plea bargain agreement, the family accepted Roux's version of the events that he was a corrupt cop, he did steal Roux's wallet.......

      DW - 2011-09-10 18:46

      He had to accept Roux's version of events if he was to get the R750k. No acceptance, no money. Guess which took precedence

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-09-11 21:21

      DW, they USED the credit card!

  • Smallwhirled - 2011-09-10 09:05

    Comments on stories like these(black vs white) always veer to racism. I suppose it's to be expected in a society such as ours but I'm amazed that people seem to just take a black or white side. What the cop did was wrong (I'm inclined to believe the corruption allegation) but what Bees did was horribly wrong- he took someone's life and no amount of exaggeration of the circumstances will justify that. White peoples' comments on these forums only justify Black peoples' belief that Black lives are not valued, that reconciliation is a dream and that Whites are still the enemy. Black people rise to this 'bait' and then start throwing insults and threats that just elicit more bile and the wheel of hatred and intolerance just keeps turning. Both sides, Stop It Please!

  • Bloubul Jonck - 2011-09-10 09:59

    Why cant the farm murderers also paid their victims/families also a compensation

      Banned - 2011-09-10 10:15

      Because the victims are white

  • Racist - 2011-09-10 10:04

    Apartheid is the little baby of a much bigger problem in this country. Apartheid is the little baby of RACISM. If the ANC can get rid of RACISM they will have accomplished something extraordinary. Getting rid of Apartheid is nothing. It is a symptom of the real problem. RACISM. We are all pretty much guilty of RACISM in this country. We need to change.

      jlourens - 2011-09-10 11:04

      @ Racists - a change would be for you to change your nick to something other than "Racists" - this implies that you are one? In this country we mask problems with many different names, as a justification for our actions. Call it Racism, apartheid or whatever the case...but CHANGE is indeed needed.

  • Bloodstone - 2011-09-10 10:50

    Hey stillunderapartheid, calm down fella, you’ll give yourself a heart attack. Mind you, on second thought......

  • Sinudeity - 2011-09-10 11:18

    Fair my shiny, metal @ss. Bees killed someone, but somehow he got off with paying a fine.

      CVDL - 2011-09-10 14:29

      Bees unintentionally killed a thug who was threatening to harm him. Bees is innocent.

  • Nonya Biznus - 2011-09-10 11:18

    Bees... you took down a corrupt cop. They had guns. They had authority. They misused it. You defended yourself. Don't beat yourself up about it.

  • Nic Nicol - 2011-09-10 15:48

    Justice was served both in the legal manner that Bees Roux has a suspended sentence & a criminal record. And the family were served in the traditional way with compensation. the family have forgiven Roux & Roux will have this on his conscience. A fine would have gone to state coffers,jail would not bring back the dead and would be an additional burden on the state/tax payer.True remorse could be shown by an interest in the childrens welfare It was a win-win situation.

      unwanted - 2011-09-10 16:03

      I agree entirely, I actually think this was the bet possible outcome in the circumstances. 1. Obviously best for Bees since he doesnt go to Jail, he still however, has a criminal record and a suspended sentence, so needs to avoid any further trouble. He will however have to live with this on his conscience. 2. Best for the taxpayer - it took many years and R12000000 to get McBride sentenced, how much has it cost for Jubjub and all the others. This was never an open and shut case, there were too many irregularities and inconsistencies. When they should have been investigating the case correctly the metro police were too busy threatening Bees in the press. They didnt even do a breathyliser. If they took this case to court on a murder charge there was an extremely good chance that he would have been acquitted anyway. 3. Best for the Tshwane metro since whatever else was discovered will be kept quiet now, less publicity. 4. Best for the family - they can now get on with their lives. They will have money to be able to have a better standard of living. If Bees had gone to trial and been acquitted they would have had nothing. Even if he went to jail what would they get. Nothing would bring the father back, but the money will protect them a bit from the consequences. The other thing was if it went to court many things may have come out and they may then have lost his pension.

      unwanted - 2011-09-10 16:05

      I doubt the prosecutor would have entertained a plea deal if he thought thaat they were going to win the case, so all in all a really practical solution. The only downside is that we will never know the extent of the corruption involved.

  • ANCYL4PRES - 2011-09-10 17:38

    South Africans are full of hatred, I am disgusted that this MOTHER REKCUF, kills a person and all he has to do is pay a mere 750k, sies to the family for accepting this insult, you are saying your family member's life was worth such a small amount, I wish ale Pokele, you have no shame, you have allowed these murderes to bribe you in exchange for your family members's for 750k. YOU SOLD HIM FOR 750k, i hope his ghost comes back to haunt you.

      MAHUNTSI ANDRIES - 2011-09-10 20:17

      That South African justice for you.Skewed heavily in favour of a White Man.Ofcourse THEY see nothing wrong with that.When we want to appoint judges to the courts we think will be sympathetic to our course THEY tell us WE must appoint some White man's darling.They want to rule us through the courts.Pathetic,if you ask me.

      moiraine - 2011-09-10 20:34

      So was it skewed in favour of the white man when Zuma got off on his corruption and rape charge?

  • MAHUNTSI ANDRIES - 2011-09-10 20:01

    This thing is simple.No matter how nice legalities we may attach to this sorry story,the fact of the matter is that a Black Metro Policeman was killed by White Rugby player.That fact is indisputable.Compare two court cases,separated only by 24hrs. 1) A Black Metro Police chief from Ekurhuleni wrecked his State car while driving drunk.Nobody died.His sentence?Effective five years in jail. 2) A White Rugby Player from Pretoria KILLED a Black Tshwane Metro Policeman,the said White Rugby Player was pulled over by the Metro Policeman for DRUNK DRIVING in the early hours one morning.He pleads guilty in the dreaded Plea Bargain arrangement.His sentence?Five years outside jail.These are undisputed facts.Forget what the rugby player is alleging the Metro Police has done or attempted to do.The fact of the matter is that Mogale is dead,he cannot dispute the Rugby Player's version of events.Is this justice?you can retell the story and substitute the word Black with White and the word White with Black and and see what sentences you'll get. Ofcourse they will be diametrically oppossite. 3) Now consider this one.A South African Police National commissioner is accussed of being in a corrupt relationship with a certain convicted Drug Dealer and being involved in the killing of one Mining crook.The Drugloard and Several White Hooligans confess to the killing of the Mining Crook.Now for the sentences: a) Mining Crook and the White Hooligans walk. b) The Black National Commissioner? 15 yrs.

      Goddok - 2011-09-10 20:37

      Andries you voted for this Government do not blame the white man. You made your bed, live with it!

      moiraine - 2011-09-10 20:41

      1) You forgot the part where the Black metro police chief told everybody to lie for him and tried to tamper with the evidence, and then fought the case for 5 years wassting R12million of the tax payer money. Also, he was chief of police, so how can you be upholding justice when you are comitting a crime yourself. 2) You forgot the part where the Black policemen stole whiskey and abducted the white rugby player, who tried to defend himself, and yes went way overboard. He then admitted what he had done and co-operated with the police. You also forgot the incompetence of the police on the scene of the crime and the part where the prosecution did not co-operate with the defence. Maybe if the black policemen in number 1 had admitted guilt and co-operated his sentence would have been better. 3) Dont know enough about that case to comment.

      Yoni - 2011-09-10 23:52

      @Mahuntsi: 2) A White Rugby Player from Pretoria KILLED a Black Tshwane Metro Policeman,the said White Rugby Player was pulled over by the Metro Policeman for DRUNK DRIVING in the early hours one morning.He pleads guilty in the dreaded Plea Bargain arrangement.His sentence?Five years outside jail. The judge in this case was black: "Judge Nomonde Mngqibisa-Thusi sentenced Roux late on Friday afternoon to five years imprisonment". 3) ...The Drugloard and Several White Hooligans confess to the killing of the Mining Crook.Now for the sentences: a) Mining Crook and the White Hooligans walk. The judge in this case was also black: "You are consequently found not guilty and discharged in terms of Section 204," said Kgomo. Kgomo granted Agliotti's discharge application, effectively freeing him from the four charges against him including a count of murder for the 2005 Kebble slaying." So what is your point? The Minister of Justice is black and so are the National Director of Public Prosecutions for the past few years, the latest one is Menzi Simelane. Even the president of the country has been black for over 17 years, so why would black accused get harsher sentences? You are talking out of your a*se and you know it.

  • SeanK - 2011-09-10 23:38

    So the lesson learnt here is-If you have enough money,you can BUY justice!

  • Orca - 2011-09-11 21:45

    The SA justice system, like most of its public institutions, is a total mess. Any decent system in a self respecting society would have jailed Roux.

  • Wayne - 2011-09-12 06:00

    The cop paid the ultimate price for his life of dishonesty. Sooner or later he too would have been eventually nabbed for his criminal exploits. Where are the honest law enforcers? All living overseas or in the private industry.

  • iLembe - 2011-09-12 08:20

    Our judiciary system is a JOKE!

  • 144411 - 2011-09-12 11:20

    Is there a "Bees" bank account we can contribute into ? Would love to show support for ridding SA of corrupt cops

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