Bill: New vets must do community service in SA

2012-08-01 11:48

Johannesburg - Newly graduated South African veterinarians will not be able to qualify until they have performed a year of compulsory community service in South Africa, if the draft veterinary and para-veterinary amendment bill is passed.

The legislation is currently being tabled in Parliament, Beeld reported on Wednesday.

A year of community service for doctors and dentists is already compulsory, and the government wants vets to perform the same duty.

Dr Rebone Moerane, chairperson of the SA Veterinary Council, told the parliamentary portfolio committee on agriculture on Tuesday that if new graduates decided to go and work overseas two months into their community service year, the council would act against them.

"The moment that country requests a reference letter from the council, we will refuse to issue it. If that vet tries to practise here, the council will not renew his or her annual registration."

Dr Pieter Mulder, deputy minister of agriculture, led a delegation from his department on Tuesday to make a submission about the draft legislation to Parliament.

Mulder said around 45% of new vets left the country just after graduating.

South Africa currently has 2 900 vets, of whom 250 work for the government, and 200 work in private practice in rural areas.

  • nickey.vanrensburg - 2012-08-01 11:50

    Communism much ??

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-01 12:12

      Michael Van Rheenen, I trust you paid for your studies yourself and didn't spunge off the tax payer?. Rather a selfish young person are you not?.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 12:19

      Er Jacqui ... I am not aware of any studies that the Taxpayer pays for.... This is more like yet another ploy by the clowns to get more free services from competent professional people. The end reult of this stupidity is that more graduates will emigrate. Are you aware of any other country that imposes this requirement on vets? And also - the sooner the Vet becomes a taxpayer, the better for the government.

      terry.burne - 2012-08-01 12:27

      er alan.gernet - tax payers pay tax to the government, the government pays subisidies to the universities, so that students don't have to pay the full cost of their studies. Can you see the link now? - 2012-08-01 12:51

      Aren’t Vets doing the community a favour by being vets in the first place? Idiots ... They will just go study elsewhere where they won’t lose out on a year’s salary????

      Squeegee - 2012-08-01 12:52

      Terry, so the parents pay tax (half the costs) and then fees (the other half). Think of all the tax we pay that is wasted - at least here people have qualified in something useful, so why make them "pay"?

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 12:58

      @Terry. Well at the price of university studies, I wonder which ones and which courses are subsidised. But I take your point. However - that is not fair on any student to move the goalposts after they have been studying for years already. Mostly, they have student loans to repay, and they need to start reaping some benefit from their years of hard study. In fact, to my mind, if the Taxpayers (IE the student's parents) have subsidised the learning, all the more reason for the Govt. to encourage them to stay in SA, ply their trades, and become future taxpayers. Then there is also the point that the vast majority of those students also had to have their parents pay for private schooling so that they could get into the Vet. Faculty in the first place. As we all know, most Govt. provided schooling is meaningless, and leads to a massive drop out rate at Varsities. See my point?

      zambezi.river - 2012-08-01 13:08

      I think two years wud be more appropriate seeing that they all end up emigrating anyway!

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-08-01 13:11

      Timmy you have just won a gold medal for stupidity in the olympics. Nobody mentioned colour. And yes there is no future for for white qualified people in SA ( AA and BBBEEE ) so as qualified people they look for greener pastures elsewhere. People with a bit of common sense would actually try and better themselves to earn more money and not steal it like the present people are doing!!

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-01 13:17

      I have to laugh at all the thumbs down I got on this one. Must have kicked some sore balls or maybe very selfish sore balls.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-01 13:21

      Alan, every grant students get come from the taxpayer. In other words if they all leave the country they become better taxpayers. Where?.Giving back to your society is never a bad thing. The clowns you mention cannot afford expensive services for their animals. Is it so bad to help them?.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:31

      @Jacqui - maybe the thumbs down should be telling you something..? How could it be fair to discriminate against Vets? The Vets (if they are encouraged to stay) will more than pay back their grants (if they get any?) via taxes. Why should engineers not also be subjected to this? And like I mentioned below - the majority of productive people (unfortunately for SA), are products of Pvt Schools, which the Govt. never subsidises. I have a very good Vet friend now at OP, but previously a lecturer at Medunsa. You just want to hear how useless soem of those students are, rioting about canteens etc. burning buildings, boycotting lectures because of political issues. That is what the taxpayers are wasting money on. Those students that work hard and qualify, deserve what they worked for.

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-08-01 13:35

      @ jacqui.daanevanrensburg - You are clearly not living in the same South Africa that I live in where government pockets our tax money with fraud. I say f%&k them! If they can provide people with free houses, water and electricity then they can provide people with free tertiary education as well!

      Lyndatjie - 2012-08-01 13:48

      And all of you forget that this will benefit the animals. Have you ever seen the queues at the SPCA and elsewhere? Many animals die needlessly while they wait for somebody to help them. South Africa - heal thyself and stop waiting for magical assistance from a government that can't provide.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:56

      @Lyndatjie. That is not the point. See elsewhere for comments about and by vets who volunteer. The issue is that th Govt. would be unfair to discriminate against Vets-in-training, and Vets in general when other qualified professions are not subjected to this. Also, the issue is questioning the reasoning of Govt. to try to impose conditions that will worsen the brain drain.

      Lyndatjie - 2012-08-01 14:42

      @Alan - I work in this sector and there are never enough Vets - even those that volunteer. As for as the other professional sectors are concerned.... Remember that they started with Doctors, now they are doing Vets.... wait for the next lot - it would most probably be Engineers, followed by Electricians, Technicians, and other Artisans. The point is not lost on me because I know full well in which country I reside and just how much work is needed to fix what is wrong. My blinkers are off and my reality check has taken its bite out of me a long time ago.

      oom.koos.7 - 2012-08-01 15:12

      There ouks are a real bunch of "takers"..!! Why don't the LOTTO give money to animal charities, yet vets must work for free...Bl@@dy cheek..!!!

  • - 2012-08-01 11:55

    Gumment approach not surprising as by far most vet grads are white...

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 12:05

      Yeah - and see how quickly they will emigrate now!

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-08-01 12:19

      This means that the vet industry will go to the dogs like the hospitals and healthcare. Carry on idiots!!!

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:07

      Er Timmy - if I was a Vet I would volunteer to do a sterilisation. Guess who I would volunteer to do it on....

      oom.koos.7 - 2012-08-03 16:04

      Hey Timmy....who is WE..??

  • ethanhawk385 - 2012-08-01 12:07

    Why should they do community service when the government did not pay for their training, I forsee a lot of young Trainee vets leaving SA, here comes another crisis !!!!!!!

      John - 2012-08-01 12:52

      Govt. does contribute, up to 50% in most cases. Find out from international students how much tertiary education costs them in some cases. In any case, vets won't be able to leave. It will be like the medical internship years: you aren't qualified until it's been completed. Which means no countries will recognise you degree unless you've completed this. (Unless of course the vets currently have internship too, in which case most of what I said is nonsense. But I don't think they do).

      gary.bloom.967 - 2012-08-01 12:59

      Exactly, I wonder if the government know that if they improved conditions in South Africa for everyone, then skilled people wouldn't leave in the numbers that they are leaving at the moment???

      Warren - 2012-08-01 13:14

      We loose 45% of our vets to other countries: if I were the govt I would be doing exactly the same thing. The above comments regarding govt not contributing to students' education is very elitist, ignorant and narrow minded. We should be trying to build a country, not take from it.

      mikenortje - 2012-08-01 13:44

      Warren how do people contribute to a country if they are legal barred from getting jobs via racist policies like AA / BEE? What is the government doing to keep the Vets in SA? A friend of mine in the SANDF says the government will spend millions on training, but not a cent on retaining, there is no balance or common sense.

  • ronwynne.braum - 2012-08-01 12:08

    Struggling to understand the reasoning...what a ridiculous thing to put forward. And then not allowing them to go overseas either.

      riette.nothling - 2012-08-01 13:05

      Timmy, it seems your vocabulary is limited to "racist" and "idiot", I guess your are a product of government funded state schools then? Rather keep quiet because no one cares about your trolling...

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:09

      Newsflash Timmy the Tiny. That is exactly what is happening in SA .. the people we need most are in demand elsewhere too. Regarding you constant 'chip on your block' calling other people racists for being able to see past their own noses ... well it seems like you are the real racist.

      Heibrin - 2012-08-01 13:42

      @Timmy: funny thing, most countries in the world (the exception being the communists, mostly) have no problem with people leaving immediately after completing their studies. And if you want to compare spending, in Australia government funds uni studies in full, including social welfare for students. And yet they are allowed to leave Australia immediately after finishing their studies. Why? Because in most cases they'll come back after a few years. Unlike most South Africans who leave, who'll never go back. So before spewing a bunch of racist crap, answer this: people leaving and not coming back is a SYMPTOM, which government's proposal is trying to fix. Wouldn't it be better to fix the CAUSE of the problem, and then maybe people won't leave, or at least come back to South Africa?

      mikenortje - 2012-08-01 13:48

      Timmy if thats your stand point why not make it 20 years and don't pay them anything, then your problem is 100% solved hey. I mean so they are inconvienanced for 1 year then the 45% are gone anyway, so there you have it problem solved for a whole 1 year. Why not make it attractive for vets to stay, offer them career paths by removing AA / BEE for whites and making the best use of the resources you have by putting the best in a postion regardless of race. Just a thought use it don't use it.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-01 12:10

    What a wonderful idea. All those cats and dogs without the care they need can be sterlized and the owners can be taught how to look after ALL their animals. If a vet wants to go overseas, let him, her repay their studies and thus re-emburse the tax payer. Actually the same rule should be introduced for medical doctors too.

      ashley.short.92775 - 2012-08-01 12:18

      Absolutely agree. There are too many animals without care in the rural and township areas. If they can be sterilised a lot of misery would be saved.

      wayne.bayman - 2012-08-01 12:22

      Hi Jacqui, I help out an organization that does exactly that. We sterilize and educate. We have quite a few vets that have private practices and still volunteer for us. Check out Aniwell South Africa on facebook.

      CassandraXabata - 2012-08-01 12:51

      How do you suggest the student pay back? While working overseas or upfront prior to leaving before the sudent starts earning money? Why then study here? How will these cats and dogs be looked differently after by their owners, who had been taught by these vets, if these same owners have no or little income? If this country can afford 13BN Rand slush funds, then a paltry few BN for tertiary studies should be easy. Or should we keep on chasing away our best assets

      John - 2012-08-01 12:58

      State vets generally don't do sterilisation: they don't have the resources nor the surgeries at hand. It's more a case of disease control ensuring we can export our meat and animals. That, and then there's foot and mouth, dyptheria, rabies, corridor disease etc. Not always the same "hands-on" work as private vets.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:12

      Wow Timmy the Tiny .. are you not just ever so impressive with your rhetoric! How is daddy Juju by the way?

      John - 2012-08-01 13:15

      timmy, you go on and on and on and on and on and on about racists etc., but you are the one constantly bringing up race as an issue. I'm yet to see any body make even a vague reference to it. So, if you go ahead and classify yourself as a racist, then go on doing what you're doing. Otherwise, try and stay at least mildly relevant, and keep your rhetoric for the rallies... The prime concern seems to be that this will only serve to chase vets away, and that it appears to be a knee-jerk reaction to as yet to be defined problem. Which, if we're honest, seems to be the modus opperandi in the government at the moment. The race card: always relevant (apparently)

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-01 13:28

      Hi Wayne, thank you and a big hug. I support a local Animal Group and they work with the vets who kindly give up their Saturdays to sterilize animals. Imagine if all young vets would give a year to their country, it's people and it's animals what a difference that would make. How ever reading the uncaring letters here I am dissapointed that so few people care about the animals. No wonder their dogs living in the yard never, or hardly, get any attention. Thumbs down!!!!, yes, the truth alwasy hurts.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:37

      @Jacqui - most people would agree that to offer your services as a vet would be a great thing to do. You are missing the point that Govt. wants to legislate and discriminate against Vets.

      mikenortje - 2012-08-01 13:57

      eeerm Jacqui the Doctors and Dentist been doing this for years already, it's called and I joke you not "Zoomer Year". and BTW it has still not stopped the Doctors from leaving SA just delayed them by a year. If you want the Doctors / Vets / Dentist / et al to stay you need to make SA attractive.

  • cuthbert.murwisi - 2012-08-01 12:13

    History has it that community service exists in societies or states that can not adequately pay their citizens for their worth hence the use of cohesive strategies like community service to get cheap labour. Never thought this gvt will stoop this low.

  • craig.wilson.167189 - 2012-08-01 12:16

    maybe if the goverment paid their professional staff properly and did not steel the money themselves they would not have to force people to be of service to the country

  • wayne.bayman - 2012-08-01 12:19

    I wonder what the vetenarians themselves think of this. Most vets I know do some kind of volunteer work in any case. Maybe that's just because I actually do volunteer work instead of shouting on News24 about how South Africa is going down the drain.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 12:25

      Volunteer work is fine, and to be commended. That is not the issue here.

  • rob.gunning.1 - 2012-08-01 12:23

    Sounds, smells and tastes like some form of commie slavery.

  • terry.burne - 2012-08-01 12:26

    er alan.gernet - tax payers pay tax to the government, the government pays subisidies to the universities, so that students don't have to pay the full cost of their studies. Can you see the link now?

      mikenortje - 2012-08-01 14:04

      eerm Terry the students parents are also tax payers .... make the link!!

  • alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-08-01 12:36

    Another outstanding piece of common sense from our beloved 'leaders'. Make the guys who worked harder than everyone else and paid more to study than everyone else work for free. Meanwhile, the guys who 'demanded' their matric certificates will be throwing rocks at cars 'demanding' double their salary for throwing dustbins into trucks.

  • CassandraXabata - 2012-08-01 12:41

    Dr Rebone Moerane, chairperson of the SA Veterinary Council, told the parliamentary portfolio committee on agriculture on Tuesday that if new graduates decided to go and work overseas two months into their community service year, the council would act against them Says the same people who fought, died and killed for the democracy and supposedly best constitution in the world! Perhaps making this country more attractive than overseas would work better? Re-read what the spirit of the Constitution says? Those bits about associating and working. How many flies can you catch with vinegar compared to honey?

  • christine.mclaughlin - 2012-08-01 12:47

    i think its a good idea, they need to pay it forward and help with sterilizations

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:03

      Those who have a community spirit will help out on their own terms. I have yet to hear of a vet who has refused treatment to a needy animal if the owners cannot pay. By and large, simply by their choice of career, Vets are good people. That doesnt give the Govt. the right to exploit them.

  • godesha - 2012-08-01 13:00

    @Timmy.khethani. It has nothing to do with a black government at all, but with an incompetent one. Frankly, the government can be blue for all most people care as long as they do their jobs and look after the country and its people, which clearly the current government is not doing.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:23

      waste of time trying to penetrate Timmy the Troll's - Once a Troll, always a Troll. Tiny Timmy went on a trashing Troll Sadly for him, when we took a poll.. the usual racist claim and apartheid blame... Led to the conclusion - he's an a'hole

      oom.koos.7 - 2012-08-03 16:09

      I dont think blacks should be allowed to have pets...!!!!!! How about that Timmy..

  • snoopy.snoopaloop - 2012-08-01 13:04

    Why don't they rather pass a law stating that you may not own pets unless you earn a certain salary, and live 'n a structure that has been designed and approved by a civil engineer. In otherwords, should you be earning less that R x.00 a month and live in a shack within a squater camp, you may not own pets. Then atleast we would not see half the emaciated, starving dogs and cats that do wonder around the camps with hordes of starving, neglected puppies and kittens who cannot fend for themselves. and end up dying a cruel death.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:23

      should apply to kids too

      chris.cunning.14 - 2012-08-01 14:33

      @Snoopsy: Okay, and this applies to vets and the year service by the vets leaving and even if you can pay for a vet there won't be any available?

  • altusvanzyl - 2012-08-01 13:07

    ANC ministers should do one year of community service!

      godesha - 2012-08-01 13:23

      Hehehe, now there's a thought. Without pay too.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 13:24

      flip - any kind of service other than self-service would be an improvement

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-01 13:13

    politicians should do some work

  • william.grunow - 2012-08-01 14:18

    Isn't the problem that there's only one vet school in SA?

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-01 14:33

      There is OP and Medunsa (which is seperate, but falls under OP). How is this a problem though?

      michelle.armour.16 - 2012-08-01 16:35

      It's a problem because there are currently 1000 matrics applying for 150 spots at Onderstepoort and they are accepted purely on academics (and race of course) which means that 80% of the graduates end up in small animal private practice leaving a shortage of rural and large stock vets... And the government is finally making a plan to fix the shortage in rural areas and everyone is complaining about it!

  • ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-08-01 14:20

    ANC is trying to build its own little Berlin Wall.

  • chris.cunning.14 - 2012-08-01 14:31

    Wow talk about being harsh on students. Well if I was them i'd go study overseas. Bunch of *bad word*

  • brandon.stephenson.946 - 2012-08-01 15:40

    What a load of crap ! If you are paying for your own education how can they force you to do this ?????????? I agree that if you are gievn a governmnt bursary or something like that then I say it's fair but if the govt isn't paying for anything then they shouldn't have a say !!!! Rediculous . No wonder so many of our highly trained people are leaving this country !

  • nastassja.l.steyn - 2012-08-01 16:29

    At least the animals in the rural areas might get treatment that they need if this happens, the people in rural areas might get educated about the animals that they have and why neutering is important. This might help to curb animal abuse. The graduates will get a year of experience (and lets face it, most graduates need experience) and they will be making a difference. This might be a good thing. Yes it sucks when you are forced to do community service, but I for one think this s a good thing. On so many levels, this is a win-win.

  • david.barker.792303 - 2012-08-02 10:40

    Compulsory Slavery! As a foreign national vet graduate, im glad I graduated and left before this come into play.

      oom.koos.7 - 2012-08-03 16:13

      Last ouk out...turn off the lights...or blow out the candles, no power here already..Bl@@dy fools.

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