Bishop grilled over Marikana evidence

2012-11-22 15:48

Rustenburg - Anglican bishop of Pretoria, Reverend Johannes Seoka was taken to task on Thursday over his evidence about the shootings at Lonmin’s Marikana mine.

Lonmin’s lawyer, advocate Schalk Burger SC, grilled Seoka over his claims that Lonmin management declined to talk to the protesters and labelled them "criminals and murderers".

Burger also questioned the clergyman’s role as a negotiator in the wage impasse, which culminated in the shooting dead of 34 miners during a confrontation with police on 16 August.

Burger stated that Seoka's evidence had dwelt on the deaths of the 34, but that he had given very little attention to the 10 people killed in the days before 16 August.

"Why did you not write about the killing of the 10 in your moral dissertation? At the end of this inquiry, we will argue that your role as a negotiator was undermined,” Burger said, referring to Seoka's statement to the commission.

All the deaths

"You wrote about the planting of the weapons on the dead miners [on 16 August]. You don’t know anything about that. You relied on [what] you had read somewhere."

Burger argued that the commission’s mandate was to probe the deaths of 44 people, not merely the 34.
Seoka said he had limited himself to the events of 16 August because that was the day he was involved at Marikana as a peacemaker.

He said he only referred to the deaths of the 10 slightly as he analysed broader moral issues in South Africa.
Burger questioned Seoka on his independence, his understanding of the matters at stake during the strike and the ability to listen to both parties involved.

'Dismissive' representatives

In the week before 16 August, 10 people, including two police officers and two security guards, were hacked to death at the Lonmin platinum mine in Marikana.

The bishop was part of a group of religious leaders who mediated talks between the strikers and mine management.

Seoka told the commission on Thursday that when he extended the protesters' request for mine executives to come to the koppie where the workers had gathered, and negotiate, the language used by the Lonmin representatives was dismissive.

“When I spoke to the protesters, they did not show any signs of anger. The Lonmin representatives I engaged were angry, used strong language and were in denial,” Seoka said.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-11-22 15:56

    Great Burger SC, eat him the two faced theist.

  • NicolaVanAss - 2012-11-22 16:02

    I hope everyone notices that 2 POLICE OFFICERS and 2 SECURITY GUARDS were killed before all this happened. You reap what you sow.

  • sydney.campbell.7758 - 2012-11-22 16:06


  • gerald.mphuthi - 2012-11-22 16:12

    This bishop is not a reliable witness , a man of the cloth that cannot be trusted

      arie.vdplaats.3 - 2012-11-23 07:52

      I agree.It appears that the bishop is relying on "hearsay evidence" - This is not allowed in court.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-23 10:04

      The cloth has nothing to do with it, the man has everything to do with it ad clearly this man was not objective in the way he acted.

  • george.michaelides.71 - 2012-11-22 16:13

    10/10 Mr Burger...could see in his eyes on the box the other night he was lying.......

  • Tello Moleko - 2012-11-22 16:13

    stupid Bishop was concern about miners not other people nd i believe he knew about murders committed by his congregation,i wonder what he is preaching,get more grilled

  • comrade.shefu - 2012-11-22 16:16

    Tomorrow its a Friday....isn't it?yaaaawn!

  • xoli.themba - 2012-11-22 16:17

    The fact is,lonmin refuse to negotiate with workers which resulted to killing of 44 ppl

      suash - 2012-11-22 16:31

      Would you negotiate with killers, and why should they negotiate in the first place if the strike is illegal?

      john.silver.3572846 - 2012-11-22 16:36

      why negotiate AFTER your wage negotiations are done and put to bed and the workers have murdered your non striking employees. A country CANNOT run on the violent wishes of one group of people. Christ, even JZ got that part right after the fact!

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 17:30

      Lonmin is guilty as charged.

      arie.vdplaats.3 - 2012-11-23 07:57

      from what source did you get the facts that you are quoting? Or are you making surmises about the real facts involved here? Either way, you should keep your trap shut if you do not have incontestable facts at hand.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-23 10:05

      Would you negotiate with murderers and then even keep employing them? I think not, barring if you are very naive or downright stupid. Sadly this is what Lonmin did, showing in effect how little they care for their lawful workers.

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-11-22 16:18

    The truth, nothing but the truth, so help you GOD, come on you must know how to tell the truth.

  • osmaseko - 2012-11-22 16:19

    The guy was involved only from the 16th August, why the hell should he be asked about what happened prior to that? You want the man of the cloth to lie?

      Kurt Kassen - 2012-11-22 16:51

      its really funny that this commission of inquiry just focuses on the death of 34 miners it should be 44 people these miners decide to become violent and they paid the price this bishop only became involved on the 16th of August how the hell does he knw what really happened before lying under oath is a serious offence or does it even matter cause the right is wrong and the wrong is right

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 17:03

      You have a rare good sense of reason Osmaseko

  • christina.setloboko - 2012-11-22 16:25

    mr. seoka you are in deep........t

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 17:06

      Christiana your rude language tells a lot about you

  • clivegoss - 2012-11-22 16:27

    Doos !

  • marius.duplessis.5 - 2012-11-22 16:34

    Another useless christian. always lies lies.

  • mohau.chabeli.9 - 2012-11-22 16:44

    Attention seeker. Mayb he wants 2 b elevated 2 the level of Bishop Tutu.

  • Mamokwee Rathipa - 2012-11-22 16:51

    Bishop Seoka is not honest. He is bias.

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 16:57


  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-11-22 16:56

    Vra my broer Jack, hy lieg nes ek

  • mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 17:02

    The Bishop told nothing but the truth. This Lonmin lawyer is only being a lawyer. These Lonmin thugs must lose their mining licence.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-23 10:07

      Lonmin murdered no-one, nor broke any law as far as I know. You clearly are deluded in your views.

  • Shepherd Kgakala - 2012-11-22 17:02

    mr Bishop,if you are not clear about what happened before the 16th,then you are in a wrong place.just shut up,it helps.

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 17:13

      Kgakala you are just trying to be relevant. Just shut up your mouth will help in pap time.

  • faith.bokaba - 2012-11-22 17:16

    Forgot to pray for wisdom.

  • mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 17:23

    mohau.chabeli.9 listen here, Bishop Seoka is not trying to be like Bishop Tutu, Bishop Tutu tries by all means to please whites

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-11-22 17:24

    Mr mkuba gfy plz we don't need your anc mentality after you gfy please have a shower...

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 17:26

      Thats all you're good at, insults.

      wdvilliers - 2012-11-22 19:27

      Yes Mr M and you?????????

  • simon.mwando - 2012-11-22 18:17

    Adv Burger hs got a point unlike tht madala adv Bizo

  • siphom.mnguni - 2012-11-22 19:09

    Eat him for breakfast Adv.Burger and teach him that in law there's a huge difference between a fact and opinion. He seems to believe that his opinion matters the most. He should stick on one thing which is to mislead his naïve and gullible followers in his church and not meddle on things he is ignorant of. Just recently we woke up to the news of the pastor who raped 12 year-olds. We read the stories of the Catholics who raped choir-boys. Right now there's a resistance to ordaine women as bishops. The bishop has a lot on his plate.

  • KennySven - 2012-11-22 19:13

    Why does he wear a collar? Cause he's a dog

  • godrick.mlambo - 2012-11-22 20:24

    The clergyman exposed

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-23 10:02

    I agree for once with the advocate, pumpkins like these needs to be showed up for what they are.

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