Bosses colonialists - Numsa

2012-03-17 18:09

Johannesburg - Numsa should deal with exploitation in the workplace because employers focused more on cost reduction, general secretary Irvin Jim said on Saturday.

Speaking at the union's KwaZulu-Natal elective congress in Durban, Jim said the agenda's of bosses represented a direct attack on workers benefits and conditions.

"In this agenda of the bosses all past gains of workers are presented as a threat to the South African economy."

He said the basic structure of the South African economy and society were still not transformed.

"Colonialism of a special type still exists. Black and African labour is at the bottom and white monopoly capital controls the bulk of the country’s wealth and monopolises social resources," said Jim.

He said the congress was a platform of the National Union of Metalworkers of SA (Numsa) constitution to do an audit and assessment of growth of workers in the organisation.

Numsa called on the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) leadership to urgently engage with the African National Congress on labour brokers and e-tolling.

"Cosatu has been consistent. We want labour brokers banned, and we will not allow our roads to be privatised," said Jim.

Speaking on the nationalisation of mines, Jim said that Numsa was of the view that it was ANC policy.

  • roger.pacey - 2012-03-17 18:25

    "Numsa should deal with exploitation in the workplace because employers focused more on cost reduction" And when workers go shopping, they are focused on reducing the size of their grocery costs. Everyone's trying to get the best deal for themselves, including workers. Why else do unions buy cheap T-shirts from China rather than locally made ones?

      John - 2012-03-17 20:47

      My opinion about NUMSA is based on combination of 3 fingers. If we don't see "trolls" here, than we have another social research publication from News24.

      Fussed - 2012-03-18 10:23

      All of us must start a 1 man business and dont employ, Its your money and not theres. Dont let them tell you how and where to use your money

      Sheda - 2012-03-18 10:41

      If we are colonialists (I speak from my 100% BEE status)then they are guilty of having agreements with and coniving with the enemy. Who is the bad dog then Jim? You dummy. Numsa has single handedly taken freedom of choice away from every working person in this country. Unions are old fashioned, exploitative and self serving. Unions are on their way out because they have done nothing for the unemployed ...they have only made it TOOO EASY for those with jobs.

  • Cracker - 2012-03-17 18:47

    Why buy the cheapest available goods like Chinese and other imports if costs are not important? Ask the Numsa members. Let's not make the members so hypocritical. A little reading on economics and human nature will reveal that Numsa has it all wrong. It is definitely also not a so-called exclusive Colonial trend or characteristic. A little reading of reputable works on history will also help. "Colonial" is Numsa lexicon of course means "white". Numsa should rather encourage its members to start their own factories and other businesses. Or at least buy into the enterprises with share purchases. But Numsa won't. Too easy to enjoy their own living standards sourced out of conflict they manipulate employers and employees into.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 19:42

      @ Cracker,So you would like the original owners of the land to buy our minerals back from the seller who got the minerals whilst playing on an skewed/lopsided playing field....Did I get last point right?

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 20:50

      @ bluzulu Do you imply by ORIGINAL owners that there are now SUBSEQUENT owners? Don't allow yourself to become confused by self-created myths and false logic invented for only argument's sake. The landownership issue needs a proper audit so we can determine who owns what and what economic/agricultural activities are taking place on the land. We can take it from there after the shock waves. You either buy into the current economic system or you give ALL your hopes and rights over to some government or state to do with as they like. Bear in mind that right at this moment Numsa and Cosatu for example do not trust the government at all. The now owners are here to stay. Try to deprive them of their ownership - they are fully entitled to it, notwithstanding the lies and deceit that is being spread - and see what happens. What exactly is it that is preventing Numsa from enabling and empowering its members through the normal participation in the economic system? Is it really just political mileage and sentiment? Why deprive your members of so much potential? Again, do you really want a 90 to 98% unemployment rate in this country like we see in Zimbabwe? What makes our government incumbents so much more trustworthy than the ones in Zimbabwe and elsewhere to our north? Rather let peoples' self-interest and freedom of economic choice and participation decide our future and the future of trade union members. The land issue and minerals issue are in any event red herrings.

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 21:01

      There needs to added the following. In 5, 10 15years we are still going to hear the same demand for nationalization. Nothing will have changed. The will be NO nationalization because it will be economic suicide. Let's not bluff ourselves. And also keep in mind that even the top structure of ALL the trade unions and their federations by now realise that if the conflict and demands are done away with through nationalization they will be the ultimate losers. They are not all going to get nice jobs in government or in management positions to run the nationalized industries. The trade unions and their members will be far better off if they rather start using the financial muscle and influence to buy into the economy. NOW THAT WOULD BE A SURE WAY OF NATIONALIZATION.

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-17 21:55

      @Bluezulu, If it wasn't for the colonialists with their skills and technology the minerals would still be deep underground, as the locals had no way of knowing they were there. They used the land for grazing their cows and goats, as their knowledge of the ground was only as deep as the grass on which it grew.

  • Armand Botha - 2012-03-17 19:02

    I for one is starting to get a bit tired of these racist morons.

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-17 19:36

    Jim Jim...On the money mate. The South African worker is grossly underpaid and subsequently there is less money available to spend in the economy. Look at other countries, organizations pay twice the percentage of their outgoings on salaries than RSA companies do. This leaves less in the economy and more money at the top end which is being invested overseas hence leaving these shores when it MUST remain in this economy.........A parting shot , a few hundred people are earning billions a month from the sale of RSA mineral wealth. I don't know how we stop this but Nationalization looks like the only way.If more of this money stays in the country, the progress forward would be accelerated. yes some will be lost to corruption but most will be added to the economy. please don't be ignorant and think no corruption took place before 1994. Humans and greed are inseparable bedfellows no matter what cloth they are clothed in or an not all Governmental officials are corrupt many are do a sterling job at building this country.

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 19:56

      No. south African workers are being OVERPAID. Not my assertion. Fact according to economists. Nationalization has never worked elsewhere. It will not work here in South Africa because we South Africans are not yet gods. We can't make the impossible work if it has not worked elsewhere. Note: 80% unemployment in Zimbabwe at the moment and that without even the presence of many millions of its citizens who have left. Countries like South Africa must now look after those citizens and still some want South Africa to implement the same policies. The truth is that the fat cats who are well-connected will simply confiscate the assets taken from the private investor. Historical evidence all over for it. Numsa can become a major investment player by mobilizing its financial muscle to buy into businesses and so start determining the work conditions of its members and other workers in those very same businesses. Why does it not do it? They can become owners of the whole economy instead of at present owning only that part their pension funds are based on! Not that their own members are not investors in the economy already in many forms. Why give it all away to government? Really, Numsa can do better by investing in the economy and so exercise control over the investments rather than allowing the government and political party of the day to take over and do with the assets as they like without Numsa having much of a say except hope that the government officials are not too corrupt.

      pws69 - 2012-03-17 19:59 Almost the same as the UK, USA, Denmark, Venezuela Mmmm

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 20:32

      @ PWS , that's outdated many counties were last updated over 15 years ago. There is two mini depressions since. Those figures apply to the top earning 10.% of the employed people in RSA. Just look out your window,Do you see most of the public living the high standard of life in the UK?

      bluzulu - 2012-03-17 21:30

      @ PWS , I posted the expense % salaries are to the company's total outgoings not overall earnings vs Expenses. In RSA the owners need two Porsches not one whilst the worker that is critical in earning the dosh to purchase the vehicles is paid peanuts. This is common practice in RSA.

      Blip - 2012-03-17 22:52

      Owners are compensated for their scarce resource called entrepreneurialism. Workers are compensated for their over-abundant resource called physical grunt.

      Cracker - 2012-03-18 01:22

      If a worker or workers and/or their trade union(s) desire to start a business for the downtrodden to acquire employment, GO FOR IT! Don't be such parasites and then blame the employers instead of the trade union bosses.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-19 09:17

      I see PWS comment that Austaralia has all RSA minerals has been removed by PWS as he/she knows this is a lie; Check this out, South Africa is the world's biggest producer of platinum, and one of the leading producers of gold, diamonds, base metals and coal. South Africa holds the world's largest natural reserves of gold, platinum-group metals, chrome ore and manganese ore, and the second-largest reserves of zirconium, vanadium and titanium. At the same time, there is considerable potential for the discovery of other world-class deposits in areas yet to be exhaustively explored. The sector spans the full spectrum of the five major mineral categories - namely precious metals and minerals, energy minerals, non-ferrous metals and minerals, ferrous minerals, and industrial minerals. Read more: Just a note here in 2008 when RSA had rolling Power cuts this was due to some Entrepreneurs sold our coal to Europe even when they knew RSA did not have enough to sustain our Economy. There is Capitalism at work again. Make your own people suffer for the almighty dollar. RSA is the biggest exporter of high grade coal to Europr. Please don't listen to some of the Capitalist like PWS on these sites as they are only interested in keeping the status quo.

  • pws69 - 2012-03-17 19:50

    COSATU just spent R100's of millions on new head quarters in Braamfontein, including a gym with saunas, a security system that makes government envious, and sit on a cash pile next to nothing. They have access to PIC for investment purposes, yet what do these unions do? I'll tell you what they DON'T do. They DON'T invest this money in start ups. They DON'T CREATE companies They DON'T create employment They DON'T create a competitive workforce. Unions, put your money where your mouths are, and start competing. If it was so easy, then you would have done so, but you are too useless, too lazy, and too stupid to compete, even when the deck is stacked AGAINST the capitalist. It must give you nightmares knowing the only reason you exist is BECAUSE of capitalists, who CREATE, who INNOVATE, who EMPLOY. If I was voted in as President tomorrow, the first thing I would do is ban unions, only allowing bargaining councils.

      Klaus - 2012-03-17 21:05

      Give this man a case of bells

      Rob - 2012-03-18 10:01

      Great comment. Well said.

  • Dave Prinsloo - 2012-03-17 20:11

    he's wrong. The economy has indeed been transformed - it used to be in the hands of a few corrupt whiteys, now it belongs to a collection of corrupt whiteys, indians and black people. Mr Jim is jealous of the ones in the front of the gravy train. Shame

  • Cracker - 2012-03-17 20:33

    Trade unionism has become an industry of its own. It is an industry that promotes and flourishes on creating conflict. In the process it shapes the behavior of employers who in turn are being used as punching bags. Since only 4 years ago more than 400,00 small employers have closed down, according to what I heard on the radio. All trying to make a living while the trade union leaders live it up. But the trade unions need to go on brain washing their members to prevent them from looking a bit further than their everyday existences and experiences. Prevent the workers at all costs to become so-called contaminated with capitalism. Stay dependent on the trade union which is nothing but a parasite which cannot continue without capitalism and fueling conflict between worker and employer to feed its officials and high flying bosses with their lifestyles. If the trade union bosses were really interested in the welfare of the ordinary member they would encourage them to start owning the economy. But no, conflict must be maintained and the ordinary member made to believe that that is all their is to the employer/employee relationship and survival. There is a dumb-stupidness in this country which, coupled with criminal slyness of the exploiters higher up in positions of power, will not allow this country to progress as it should.

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-03-17 20:43

    And in bosses you mean the Black Middle Class too then, Jim?

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 21:24

      Interesting the class issue. In the vicinity where I live the black households are easily identified by the luxury and newest model vehicles in their yards. I guess one can say the same with regard to the Cosatu bigwigs in the areas where they live.

  • Mehluli - 2012-03-17 21:15

    When dealing with Mr Boss you are dealing with a creature which is very unpredictable.Bosses do not take challenges easily they fear challenges especially from their juniors.You know bosses do not like Mugabe but they do act like him in everything ill treating and suppressing others.Mr Boss fear the rise of the voiceless.

      pws69 - 2012-03-17 21:24

      There is absolutely nothing stopping you from becoming a company owner and competing. In fact, as a black in SA, you have an unfair advantage with AA, BBBEE, preferential procurement, government loans through Khula, SEDA< GEP, etc. Stop complaining and start doing. FFS< just for once in your life try to take control of your own destinies.

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 21:40

      That is exactly the issue. If you as a black - you raise raced in your comment, not me - are not able to establish yourself favourably in an environment that is CREATED for the very same purpose then excuse me and many others, what more is it that you require for yourself and your abilities and the abilities of others to do justice to your ideals? Must the bosses (many black bosses also around lately) be eliminated so the trade union bosses can take over? WE HAVE TO STOP FOOLING OURSELVES. All the (welcome) plans by the ANC to turn this country into a huge construction site (the exact wording for the moment escapes me) will come to nothing if we as a country do not make use of ALL the human resources available. Black and white without discrimination. But it still leaves one burning issue unanswered: How come that so many do not make the grade although they are being advantaged as never before in this country and unbelievably favourably in comparison with probably anywhere else in the rest of the world? WE MUST START INSISTING ON REAL ANSWERS TO REAL QUESTIONS. W H A T I S W R O N G? W H A T I S N O T W O R K I N G?

      Fussed - 2012-03-18 09:00

      Get off your lazy ass and use YOUR money to start your own business. The things you will have to go WITHOUT in the first year, watching your famerly asking "why cant I have that" is because every bit of profit goes back into your business for a rainy day and to pay the likes of you that cry for a job and once you in STRIKE and complain.To you people start your own business with your money and when after 10 years or so you are intitled to get your money back. Please dont tell me what to do with MY money, IT is not yours SO FUC@#$k off and do your own and then you deal with all the wingers and staff that steal from you

  • Cedric Papa-Junior Kgatla - 2012-03-17 21:49

    Capitalism is still a big problem to our society,no more private properties...

      Cracker - 2012-03-17 21:58

      Private companies at least give us jobs and pay tax so social grants are possible. Trade unions do not give jobs except to themselves.

      Jessica Wright - 2012-03-18 17:15

      No, lazy people like you are the problem, people who see what others have and think they can just make it public property, instead of working for it. waiting for riches to fall into your lap off the tables of hard workers will get you no-where. You cannot keep a good man down, but lazy people who want the fruits without the hard work will always want and never have.

      Jessica Wright - 2012-03-18 17:16

      No, lazy people like you are the problem, people who see what others have and think they can just make it public property, instead of working for it. waiting for riches to fall into your lap off the tables of hard workers will get you no-where. You cannot keep a good man down, but lazy people who want the fruits without the hard work will spend forever whining, and pointing weak little fingers.

  • Jeffrey - 2012-03-17 21:50

    Bosses are imperialists. Irvin Jim and Numsa are morons.

  • Blip - 2012-03-17 22:47

    "Colonialists" are entrepreneurial and smart, unlike lumpen proles. But colonialism has been dead for 50 years. Nobody wants to pick up the dreaded curse of the old "white mans' burden" again. No, Mr Jim, you'll have to think up better insults.

  • Tony - 2012-03-18 07:06

    Haha, back to those ... Capitalist, Bougeoise, Third Force, Colonialist, blah blah blah... These dudes are just unbelievable

      Joe - 2012-03-18 09:22

      Tony, you forgot neo-imperialists... means nothing, just sounds so "revolutionary"!

      Tony - 2012-03-18 19:09

      Oops you're right, and not to mention the "anti revolutionaries"

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-03-18 07:18

    Your statement is general and vague, sir. There are companies like Wispeco which trains and empowers the previously disadvantaged individuals or companies to manufacture aluminium products. Why don't you channel funds to those emerging businesses. Proper long term goal planning is lacking from our leaders. Although the talk of this nature is common, I would like to single out the Khulubuse Zuma scenario from mining industry wherein the company(Aurora) went bunkrupt when the co-owner lives like King Mswati. This shows how selfish black enterpreneurs are. Is he a colonialist as well? I have seen my black brothers and sisters who head BEE security firms pocketing millions when their foot soldiers pocket R900 or less. When we solve problems we must solve both, the one we possess (black bosses exploitation to black labour force) and the far-fetched one (white bosses exploitation to black labour force)

      bluzulu - 2012-03-18 13:43

      Who paid for this ad?

      Cracker - 2012-03-18 13:58

      @ bluzulu It is not an ad. Why must it be an ad? Really!

      Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-03-18 13:59

      Do I need to be paid to write these? Don't you know about these? Then you need exposure. In short, exploitation is from both black and white enterpreneurs. I'm anti exploitation either from blacks, indians, Chinese or Whites from all spheres of workplace. I feel disturbed when I see someone building an ordinary with his pension because he has been payed peanuts. We have known these for quite sometime now and rhetoric cannot be an answer. We need actions to these and other challenges we face as S. Africans.

      Fussed - 2012-03-18 14:46

      And who supplys the interest free, and nonrepayment of the start up money and who will take the fall if it dont work Like showerhead nephew

  • Zion - 2012-03-18 08:16

    If the costs are not cut then salaries cannot be increased and all as a result of sky rocketing increases of prices. NUMSA should start looking to ESKOM and their price increase structures.

      Fussed - 2012-03-18 09:21

      And there bonuses

  • Shaun Robinson - 2012-03-18 09:02

    I'm SO SICK of hearing about colonialism... Get over it already!!!

  • Joe - 2012-03-18 09:21

    F**k off, Numsa. Stop your racist rubbish.

  • Archie Christelis - 2012-03-18 09:24

    What year is this idiot living in. This guy should try educate himself on international economics and maybe then open his mouth.

  • billidp - 2012-03-18 09:29

    And the owners of the Aurora mine that are riding around in flashy cars and eating sushi, drinking champagne whilst their workers have not been paid for how many months and arehaving to be fed by Gift of the GIvers because they are literally starving? Are Zuma and Mandela also colonialists then?

      Cracker - 2012-03-18 11:37

      Interesting view. Does Numsa not realize that even black owned businesses cut costs and are as likely as any so-called colonial business to be taken to the CCMA etc for cutting costs (dismissals) and even underpayment of wages? If Numsa's logic applies then it is logical to assume that black bosses also love the colonial ways. You can only sometimes shake your head in disbelief at the sly attempts by some to keep their trade union subscriptions flowing in.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-18 11:45

      No they are not, they are the new upper class, the right colour and with the right connections. Therefore their mine workers can starve to death and no union is doing anything about it. Thus Indians and white people are good enough to try and feed their vicitms while they live in the lap of luxury. Where is justice?. I wonder what would have happened if the owners were white.

  • TacoDan - 2012-03-18 11:18

    NUMSA would like the countries businesses to be run like the Aurora Mine where the workers don't get paid and the mine is stripped of all the equipment to line a few pockets. The mine has reduced costs to a minimum. Privatization of roads? Are they totally nuts. in that case, discontinue the road levy that is at R2,06 of the fuel price and the RAF contribution of R0.96 and then the publick might be able to afford to drive on the privatized roads.

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-05-01 20:50

    Bosses understand the economics of efficient and competitive manufacturing. Workers seem to not exhibit an understanding that costs (read wages and benefits) cannot keep going up while efficiency levels keep going down. That's why so many products are now being imported from China and India, their costs are lower, their quality is higher and their workers are only too grateful for the wages they earn.

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