Bride kidnappings - tribe promises to stop

2011-03-23 22:08

Johannesburg - The community of KwaCele, near Lusikisiki, has promised to end the practice of Ukuthwala if the State drops charges against those arrested for the tradition, the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) said on Wednesday.

The practice involves the abduction of young girls for marriage to older men. It is prevalent in the area.

"There are currently more than 10 cases of Ukuthwala, a practice where women, some as a young as 14-years-old, are abducted and forcefully married to older men," NPA KwaZulu-Natal spokesperson Luxolo Tyali said in a statement.

The community, represented by the local ward councillor Fikile Magaya and the traditional leader of the AmaCele tribe, Nkosi Phakamisa Cwija, made their request during an NPA road show at the Ntabayezwe junior secondary school, in Lusikisiki, on Saturday.

"We are glad that the prosecution has decided to come and enlighten us, and we now know that what we have been doing is wrong and illegal. We promise to stop it," said Magaya.

The NPA has advised residents to consult their lawyers "about possible legal avenues" to avoid charges of abduction and rape.

  • Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-03-23 22:19

    "The community of KwaCele, near Lusikisiki, has promised to end the practice of Ukuthwala if the State drops charges against those arrested for the tradition, the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) said on Wednesday." Sounds like bloody blackmail to me. Lock the bastards up and throw away the key. Tradition my foot.

      Miki - 2011-03-24 06:13

      Totally agree!!! They should be punished severely for not only abduction and rape, but also for blatantly disregarding another person's human rights - girls are HUMAN - not some merchandise!

      MaLemmer - 2011-03-24 07:42

      Eish. It is this cultural thing....again!

      cerveza - 2011-03-24 09:14

      @MaLemmer - yes, it is a culture thing, all over the world, and the last case (reported) in Europe was in 1965, and it is justified by God in the Christian Bible

      Atoombom - 2011-03-24 09:24

      @cerveza - please show me in the bible where it states that

      cerveza - 2011-03-24 10:37

      @Atoombom - "Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh. Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards. And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty. And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them." Judges 21:19

      Carl - 2011-03-24 10:37

      @cerveja-------there is no excuse for such kidnappings to exist and no excuse for your comment. SA freed everyone from the shackles and everyone has same rights inc women. Such tradition has no place in any part of the world inc here.

      cerveza - 2011-03-24 10:48

      @carl - I am against any abuse, whether is is based on gender, race or religion, my comment is to show that is is not a unique situation but a problem all over the world, and that people should stop brushing it of as a simple cultural thing (not my culture, so not my problem)and see that in the big picture is it every where and acknowlegde it so we can prevent it everywhere and not just in the Eastern Cape

      Felix - 2011-03-24 11:13

      @Atoombom, owned.

      Jarlaxle - 2011-03-24 11:53

      "The devil can site scripture for his own purpose! An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villain with a smiling cheek. [Merchant Of Venice]"

      cerveza - 2011-03-24 12:05

      @Jarlaxle - "he who has no opinion, quotes others" Cerveza

      THH - 2011-03-24 12:18

      @cerveza Get that man a Bells!! He has some sense in his head. It is not just a culture thing think Fritzil, the problem here is that they will try and use culture as a cover to act out their sick Fantasies. Back in the day all of humanity was sick with such self Entitlement of I can do as I want as was pointed out in the Bible quote. We are in 2011 AD not BC and if these people want to act like that then take your Shti and Fcuk off to some little island be all alone and leave us to civilisation.

      Jarlaxle - 2011-03-24 12:21

      @cerveza - I was merely pointing out that it is easy to use the Bible to support your own view. I would rather not change the topic to that a discussion on religion, but you can take from my comment I do not agree with you using God as a means to lend credibility to your statements.

      Wedfew - 2011-03-24 12:25

      My culture says I should not pay taxes, not abide to law, rape and kill. Why when the blacks do something wrong it becomes a culture thing or spiritual thing? K*K story.

      Howie - 2011-03-24 12:25

      I am dissapointed that there's not many comments after Cerveza's quote out the Bible from the 'civilized' people here. What is it, when your religion or culture is chalenged and found wanting then you just shut up?

      cerveza - 2011-03-24 12:36

      Jarlaxle - 1stly, if you have a problem with people using god to make statements, I suggest you write a letter to the pope and go protest in front of churches. 2ndly, I used something that most people are familiar with (the bible) to point out that wife kidnapping is not just something limited to a small tribe in Afirca, but that it was once so normal that people wrote about in a "holy book" without even thinking there is anything wrong with it. I did this to show that the whole human race is part of the problem and hopefully people will look at themselves and their friends and family and the way they treat others and not just play the "this is Africa" card and ignore the bigger problem

      KaiinSA - 2011-03-24 16:26

      If you carry on reading then you'll see that the scripture has been taken out of context. Judges 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel. What was right in his own eyes was what each one was accustomed to do. So far from saying this was the normal way it is highlighting that prior to any form of leadership and civilized society these kind of things went on.

      Meanleader - 2011-03-24 17:05

      Cerveza . This excerpt comes from the old testament ...... not used by christians ! Oh and we are living in the year 2011 , just in case you thought we were still in the stone ages ! Your people fought for many years for equal rights , and you still have such barbaric traditions . The National Party doesn't seem so bad anymore !

  • Buzzbar - 2011-03-23 22:24

    Whats next ? We'll stop murdering, raping and pillaging if you set our convicted tribesmen free ?

  • Francois - 2011-03-23 22:31

    Janeekop Zuma, please don't tell me that Grootmond Cele did not know about this or Comrades Blade (he is mentioned in the plural, because he thinks so much of himself). You should have seen to it that the people was educated in the past 17 years or they are lying that they only now found out that it is illegal. Once again you have failed your people or did you tell the girls to take a shower after the wedding night and ask for taxi money?

  • gizzy - 2011-03-23 22:31

    Bullshit. This practice was exposed two years ago on ETV and they still continued. That they didn't know it was illigal? Rubbish! They hid behind their "culture" at the time. I'm surprised it has taken the NPA two years to do antyhing about it. Could it be there is an election around the corner?

  • ErG - 2011-03-23 23:01

    I didn't know Mr Zuma was from Lusikisiki? Though he was from Inkanda - error on my side ......

      Kuhle - 2011-03-24 02:54

      no error dude, you have your facts's the moron you're replying to that doesn't.

      Francois - 2011-03-24 10:08

      Mr Zuma is from Inkandla, but he is president not only for Inkandla, or the ANC for that matter, but for South Africa as a whole.

  • Judith - 2011-03-23 23:01

    No the charges should not be dropped and any further violations of young girls should be prosecuted with force. This is abuse of children by men who think they can get away with anything in the name of "tradition". No, women and girls require respect - we are not cattle, whom you seem to respect more. Enough already!

  • john - 2011-03-23 23:13

    All criminals should try this: Your Honour, I promise to stop robbing banks if you just drop the charges against me...

  • j.malemmer - 2011-03-23 23:28

    JZ, I'll start paying taxes again if you promise that you and your cadres will not steal it again.

  • Ed Vermaak - 2011-03-23 23:32

    Like all other things in this country. Quid pro quo. F----ing sickening. Always a condition to everything in order to perform. Why not just accept that what you are doing is wrong and resolve to fix it? The f----ing mentality of this country is driving me wild.

  • Bill Xhosa - 2011-03-24 04:17

    ANC statement Aug 2009 VIEWPOINT | BY NOLUTHANDO MAYENDE-SIBIYA Let us work together to ensure that we make a difference and improve the lives of ordinary women in our country We want to ensure that all cultural practices are consistent with the Constitution and our country’s legislation. It is within this context that we acted quickly to deal with the cases of abduction of girls who are forced to marry old men in areas around Lusikisiki in Eastern Cape under the pretext of a traditional practice called “ukuthwala”. We will also be attending to cases of ritual or muti-killings and human trafficking to ensure that these crimes are stopped. 18 months later and still negotiating. THIS IS ACTING QUICKLY????

  • ebdg3000 - 2011-03-24 06:57

    The problem with the reaction to news like this is that it always goes overboard. All the stereotypes are brought out and everybody is painted with the same brush. Wake up, peeps, there are in excess of 30 million black people out there. If they all participated in witch burning and ukuthwala, can you imagine the scale that these activities would be occuring on? Who would be left? Think before you speak/write (imagine if a similar accusation could be levelled at whites, i.e. that we're all peadaphiles like those that so frequently seem to find their way into our courts on this charge? Not nice hey?)

      green_goblin - 2011-03-24 07:57

      Hmmm.. Wouldn't a male forcing a 14 year old girl into marriage and having sex with her be considered as a paedophile?

      slademich - 2011-03-24 08:39

      The reaction which the NPA takes will be a reflection of the will of 30 million people. You are missing the point here completely, the public outcry is not only leveled at perpetrators but at the fact that dismissing the charges is even being entertained by the NPA.

      Mebob - 2011-03-24 08:41

      The old government knew of these practices and did nothing. They had the power to educate the people but chose not to and hence these practices still exists today. But we can do nothing about that now and we really need to move on.Today these "practices" equate to crime.This is abduction, rape etc.Can you imagine what these poor girls/ladies go through? It must be really difficult growing up as a Black female in this world. It is time that Black females take a stand for themselves and say enough is enough.

      ebdg3000 - 2011-03-24 09:29

      @green_goblin - exactly, but your frame of reference determines whether you view it as isolated instances of paedophilia, or an affliciton affecting an entire race ...

      MaLemmer - 2011-03-24 10:03

      No Mervin, my forebears used to cut peoples heads off, then stick them on poles along London bridge, all to warn off invaders and thugs. Rape and pillage was part of the norm when invading or going viking (as my forebears also did!). THEN they decided this was too BARBARIC, and over the years did away with this practice. This happened 400 plus years ago and today it is held as repulsive and un-civilised. When a Euro commits rape, incest or paedophilia, there IS an uproar, and THINGS get DONE. Perpetrators are brought to book, and sentenced to a jail term. That doesn't happen here, where less than 10 % gets reported, and less than 10 % of that convicted. Nothing to do with racial indoctrination or inconsistent beliefs, just living life as it is in the good old R of SA!

      buzz - 2011-03-24 10:22

      Yeah right dude, you conveniently forget that in this country, for some frikkin odd reason, there seems to be a difference between baby rape and paedophilia - the difference being that when a white does it, its called paedo, but anyone else, baby rape. Same thing, and its more common as baby rape; in other words, there's a lot more baby rape out there. Stereotypes will die out when they are no longer true, ok?

  • Lightdancer. - 2011-03-24 07:14

    Another form of child trafficking...!!!! Prosecute and lock them away like other child traffickers all over the world!!!!!

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-03-24 07:39

    24 March 2011 ?!!!! WTF, this ain't the 1800's.... NPA like a circus..

  • PeterZ - 2011-03-24 07:44

    So sad! and we thought the barbarians were no more? Africa will remain the "dark continent".

  • munchkin.ross - 2011-03-24 07:46

    Drop the charges, and then charge them for molesting young girls, and rape.

  • ji - 2011-03-24 07:46

    still living in the dark ages ??? savages , no hope .

  • Arfie - 2011-03-24 07:57

    The suggestion is ludecris! Are the NPA insane to even consider it?!?! Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law! Tradition my @ss! We should stop hiding behind tradition, it is a lame excuse to get away with something that people know are against the law.

  • PP - 2011-03-24 07:58

    Since when do criminals dictate!? Oh wait... our government is one big criminal hot pot. 18 May 2011... remember to VOTE!

  • Arfie - 2011-03-24 08:04

    @Mervin: I also happen to think that the family that is being prosecuted for grooming children and forcing them to participate in sexual acts should happen at a much faster pace! THey should also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! any adult who harms a child should face the law with every avenue of law and punishment explored and applied. We should stop making excuses for unexcepptable behaviour, it is wrong and should be punished, the world will be a much better place!

  • Eles - 2011-03-24 08:15

    I cannot believe this has been allowed to continue without recourse up until now - the police should be ashamed and held to task. The tribe must decide either you join this century or you don't. It is a human rights violation of the worst kind. People are not a commodity to barter with - especially children. That is child rape and abuse and is most vile and disgusting - the parents involved should be prosecuted along with the "husbands". And can the Eastern cape please get a clue and stop voting for the incompetent people currently governing that province. We can only help people who want to help themselves. And no Mervin - any colour doing this is wrong - this has got zip zero to do with colour. The abuse of children and animals is the worst possible, because they are defenceless and only want to be loved and love in return. It all boils down to - if you don't want kids don't have them go to a clinic and get protection or give them up for adoption - rather that than indifference.

  • slademich - 2011-03-24 08:33

    "We are glad that the prosecution has decided to come and enlighten us, and we now know that what we have been doing is wrong and illegal. We promise to stop it," said Magaya. Oh my God! A ward councillor bring enlightened that statutory rape is wrong. Just when you think the stories can't get any more bizarre, somewhere someone finds that the bottom of the barrel is even lower than we thought. And this is an educated man? Is it any wonder that things are in the state that they are in when things like this are allowed to go on.

  • daaivark - 2011-03-24 08:33

    What's this with negotiation? What utter bull? The actions are illegal and a direct infringement of so many entrenched rights one doesn't even want to start listing them, yet the arrogant reactionaries who undermine every civil liberty imaginable with these abductions actually have the gall to suggest some form of "deal"! And what is worse, is that it appears as though this absurdity is even being entertained? I thought we'd voted for progressive thinking in 1994? Haven't seen much evidence of that though.

  • daaivark - 2011-03-24 08:35

    PROSECUTE THE BUGGERS... for the abductions and for subverting our constitution. Isn't that close to treason? Mugabe would shoot people for less!

  • Enigma - 2011-03-24 08:42

    Judging by the strange happenings in the Eastern Cape lately, I'm coming to the conclusion that the provincial government there functions without any guidance or supervision from central government. Schools and courts don't function, hospitals don't have doctor's and nursing staff, budgets are underspent, the NPA makes deals with child molesters and rapists. What next? Maybe everybody in the Eastern Cape will soon be wearing traditional clothes, they will only have traditonal healers and sangomas and schools will be empty as all the boys will be herding cattle again and the girls will be married to old men sitting in front of their huts drinking beer. Can somebody please get the message through that it is 2011 and not the 1800's?

  • Whuyu - 2011-03-24 08:49

    "New South Africa"!!??................not at all...........since 1994, we are returning to the dark ages of Primitive South Africa.......with Zuma as the new Chief Clown leading the "Backwards Tribes".......who continue to hude behind "kultcha" as an excuse for their crimes.

  • catij001 - 2011-03-24 08:53

    Since when do suspects dictate to the law on the terms of justice. Keep them locked up and also force them to stop this barbaric and primitive justice - make it a crime. Come one JZ - why don't you grow a pair

  • citadell_los - 2011-03-24 08:55

    Leave them alone. It's part of the Malema 'breed till you drop' campaign. This way, the parents can get rid of them without hassle as it is considered part of their culture. If you wanna complain, take your education, your knowledge and skills and get out of the country.

  • ostuurman - 2011-03-24 09:03

    Its a trick. Let them sit in jail and see if ukuthwala will continue. If you set them free, they will do it again knowing that they will be released....

  • Tania - 2011-03-24 09:03

    I can not believe this, do they actually go to school or does these utterly stupid people live in the bush???? Do they allow these fools to vote?

  • mba - 2011-03-24 09:07

    Where is Kolobe now? So opinionated and sensitive about every news item that he can turn into a racist issue, how does he explain this? What a joke this country is.

  • coonpsycho - 2011-03-24 09:19

    Justice over thrown by culture... only in SA. Guess i should start a culture which kills criminals... would be a very popular culture even if it is a hypocritical and evil, but effective one.

  • Nice Guy - 2011-03-24 09:19

    I am really pissed off. How come some one never told me it was semi legal. Think i will trawl the suburbs of the East Rand sometime. Some of em pooor white trash girls will be good pickings

  • Tania - 2011-03-24 09:38

    Can I join your culture in killing criminals. We will get away with it

  • afroduckk - 2011-03-24 09:53

    Typical - "The NPA has advised residents to consult their lawyers "about possible legal avenues" to avoid charges of abduction and rape." ... This statement should read as follows - "The ANC has advised residents to vote for the ANC to avoid charges of abduction and rape." Let these buggers rot in HELL ...

  • jwill - 2011-03-24 10:09

    Fantastic, I'm going to claim "ignorance" with SARS and demand relaxed tax rules

  • Meanleader - 2011-03-24 16:59

    Someone better tell Jacob Zoomer that corruption is illegal !Maybe he will promise to stop !!

  • Gibbonater - 2011-10-11 10:06

    Lekker perverted old man shagging a 14 year old that should be at school yet now living like a slave cooking, washing, tending animals and having babies. What about statutory rape. Backward buffoons. It amazes me that the parents of these seem to be so quiet about this barbaric backward practice.

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