Cape Town residents want state of emergency

2012-07-07 12:38

Cape Town - Hanover Park residents in Cape Town are demanding the declaration of a state of emergency in the gang-ridden area, it was reported on Saturday.

The Weekend Argus reported that community leaders wanted the army deployed in the area because they were best equipped to curb gang violence and shootings.

Pastor Isaac Rubain told community safety MEC Dan Plato this week that residents were desperate for solutions.

"At the moment there's no war in South Africa. What is the army doing? What happens with our tax money? " he asked.

"Why can't they set up a tent here in Hanover Park to do patrols? Or is [it] too much to ask on behalf of our children who are dying in this ongoing violence?"

Plato vowed to return to the area, along with Western Cape Premier Helen Zille, to address the problem.

  • lebo.ntsibolane - 2012-07-07 12:58

    I think they should,police lossed this war decades ago.

      rbphiri - 2012-07-07 13:03

      True this does call for a state of emergency, as humane as mob justice is, I don't blame locals for taking the law into their own hands; clearly law enforcement has failed to curb the surge in gang related violence for years now, they probably sitting in their offices asking themselves, what would Chuck Norris do, in this situation???

      jacques.otto.50 - 2012-07-07 14:45

      @Jeffrey Alicia is saying things from her heart and is meaning good. WHy do you want to denounce her GOD. At least she is saying thigs from a place of love instead of you taking a go at her and insulting her GOD. Respect brother it takes nothing to just respect

      Lacrimose - 2012-07-07 15:50

      First of all, some of these gangs are 111 years old, so it's hardly the current electorate's fault. Secondly, if you've lived during times of military occupation you will know that not only the 'guilty' get caught, injured or killed. How much anger will there be when innocents are killed by their own army? Gangsterism plagues every big city the world over, and no-one's been able to come up with a definitive solution. Gangs run the prisons which makes incarceration tertiary education, not punishment. Finally the visible effects are corner dealers, shootings, burglaries etc but behind this sits the head of the monster - organised crime. Like a hydra, you can cut off heads in the local communities but new ones will grow.

      mundu.olewega - 2012-07-08 02:52

      The Army? They will exercibate the problem. Bunch of siffaddled tossers.

      sachasea - 2012-07-08 16:27

      In order to see the future of the Cape Flats we should look to other countries that have introduced the army into similar situations where drugs and gangsters are the issue. Lets look first at Mexico where they have been battling drug cartels, similar to the gangs in CT except that they are more organised with far more dangerous firepower. The Mexican authorities have been trying to clamp down on them for years with military assistance from their northern neighbour i.e. the USA. Over 50 000 people have died in the last 6 years!!! Do we want the same to happen on the Cape Flats? Only now after all this bloodshed are the Mexican authorities looking towards alternatives to the bloody War on Drugs. They have realised that they can throw all the firepower that they want at the issue, but it won't get any better, in fact all indications are that it worsens the situation and the gangs merely re-organise themselves and become more brutal. Then there are the favelas in Brazil'a Rio de Janeiro. The urban warfare involves drug-traffic battle with police fighting against outlaws, or even corrupt policemen on their side. In 2007, the police allegedly killed 1,330 people in the state of Rio Janeiro, an increase of 25 percent over 2006 when 1,063 people were killed. I can see the Cape Flats getting a lot worse before it gets better. Hope I am wrong though.

      Jennifer - 2012-07-09 09:16

      They need the protection from these people, the gangs here are not the same as in Mexico because they are not as rich educated nor armed, the people cannot improve their lives as long as they cannot get out of their houses.

      Matthew - 2012-07-09 10:38

      The Police didnt loose.they sold out

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-07-07 12:58

    About time.

  • Jennifer - 2012-07-07 12:59

    I would be happy for my tax monies to go to this as well as support in the form of safe community centres and sport facilities. The police are overwhelmed. These people need serious help.

  • Lyndatjie - 2012-07-07 13:08

    I would support this without a doubt. The police are too timid and understaffed to take this problem on head-on. So bring in the Army and take control back. This is a serious situation and its time now for action... Gimme a petition to sign!

  • sifiso.wisey - 2012-07-07 13:41

    That's a good idea, only the army can control this situation on gangsterism!!!

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-07-07 14:12

      Try the army, but I don't know. They are pretty useless themselves. Maybe it is time to go into every house, if drugs are found lock them up.

  • dave.kofang - 2012-07-07 13:50

    The very same people will be crying when the army get its grip on the community.For someone who grew up with the army occupying our townships,i knw what im talking about.The army is trained for war not policing.

      cliverobert.jones - 2012-07-07 14:43

      this is WAR , & when the ARMY were in the townships it was also WAR ,the PEOPLE need protection ,if the police cant then the ARMY is the only other way,or leave it till only 1 gang controls ?

      dave.kofang - 2012-07-07 15:59

      I blame the community for being fence sitters when people r murdered.When khayelitsha residents r getting their area of scums they r called barbaric,but u'll never hear about gangsters in khayelitsha because the consequences.I wish the coloured communities were united.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-07-07 14:00

    The police could curb the violence if they were not corrupt.The few dedicated police are suppressed by the corrupt ones.Let the deaths of the innocent forever be on their minds.It is imperative that the community assist those who try to eradicate this problem.

  • mmangaliso - 2012-07-07 14:00

    thats true we need more in hand-over park lavenda hill please help

  • Bruce Bradford - 2012-07-07 14:01

    It is strange how people automatically think that the military is superior to the police. The fact is the military do not receive training in how to manage civilian unrest nor in how to protect civilians. The military is a very blunt instrument and in our case it is a very poorly trained and ill disciplined force. I for one would rather the police increased their involvement in these areas than let the army in. At least the police understand civil law, civil rights and the difference between gangsters and law abiding citizens.

      Hugo - 2012-07-07 14:10

      you are very wrong mister

      smellarat.smith - 2012-07-08 01:55

      Agree with HugoMabasa. The police has been hopelessly outgunned in our gang infested communities, literally and figuratively. The police can resume controlling the areas in a more nuanced way once the "war" is over. There will be collateral damage when the army intervenes, but it will be much, much less than the terrible carnage going on right now. Let the residents decide who they wish to intervene - I bet they would prefer the military.

  • donovan.solomons - 2012-07-07 14:12

    The army is too busy protecting Zuma and his goons to help out in the Western Cape. Dan Plato has been begging the Government for some time now to send a special forces unit or the army to help out with the gangsters and drugs on the Cape Flats, but without success. The ANC wants the Western Cape ungovernable for the DA. The ANC got rid of the Special forces unit years ago, and the crime rate in the Western Cape escalated. I wonder why? Get the army in here to help the police, after all, we pay their salaries.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-07-08 22:25

      100% Donovan. You read it in one. They are creaming their pants watching the DA dealing with this. While they let the rest of the Country burn. Jesus wept, when he saw this ploy. I SAY TO THE DA - Remove the women and children to safe places for ten weeks - Encircle the area, and let all these bastards get it out of their system. We don't need them in SA. I don't even think the devil wants them. After all, what can they bring to hell, except themselves? What are they worth, on the scale of humanity? Every animal slaughtered on a farm brings more joy and pleasure than they could ever do - even when they find a moment for love and compassion. Jammer vir julle - maar die manier wat julle jul' vroue en kinders mishandel, is erger as in die donkerste Afrika. Geen verskoning meer vir julle nie.

  • mmangaliso - 2012-07-07 14:21

    this is war on drugs Cape Town needs help this is nt political its personal to me coz i'm frm CPT. If u think the ANC can help then ask them to help. And we dont need a task team. Only the army will do

  • terence.hess - 2012-07-07 14:39

    why do you want a state of emergency why don`t we as the community deal with these murderers whom we know are probably our neighbours kid or your own kid busy killing innocents in their orgy of gang violence,why don`t you and i take our streets back from these gangsters and drug lords,like these numerical idiots calling themselves 28`s,26`s27`s etc., what nonsense.

      Lacrimose - 2012-07-07 15:27

      The numbers gangs have been in existence since circa *1911* and have a formidable organisational structure, with their tentacles spreading wide & their roots are deep.

      jerry.medina.756 - 2012-07-07 15:31

      Seconded Terrence the community knows who these people are. The parents knows their sons are involved in crime but the same community will not report to the police. As long as it's not your son getting killed people tend to look the other way. I can safely declare that I live in a community with no high wall and the only occasional crime we ever encountered is house breaking.Mind you suspects always end up in hospital not jail.

  • sa.gunner.5 - 2012-07-07 15:24

    What is very sad is that gang bosses feed the school going children with drugs and use these drug-fuelled kids to do their dirty work for them. Just look at the statistics to see the average age of those killed in these areas. Just prior to a sitting for the midyear exams at a high school in Hanover Park, gang shootings occurred outside the school that led to mass trauma. I pass though this area often and hang my hand in disgust to see our youths, girls and boys, going to waste. And this is Hanover Park only! What about the many other areas? There needs to be a solid effort on the side of the State to eradicate this scourge. Let us see how politicians react now, not when election time arrives!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-07-08 22:31

      My opinion is that is why the DA are closing schools in these areas. They are the 'pickings' for gangsters. Take the kids away from the parents, and stop child grants where the parents are incapable of caring for their kids. If the Moms need to move with them, make sure they have entered a programme to detox before they see their children again. We have to be tough in these situations. Sympathy and empathy has no place when childrens' lives or future is being destroyed by their own community.

  • lebakeng.nchaupe - 2012-07-07 15:44

    why must we always bring politics on every matter we have in hand to hell with Anc to hell with Da to hell with any political party.people are dying nd crying out for help nd it doesnt matter if u bring th police or th military as long as thy get help.I serve In th SANDF i hv deployed on our borders and im ready to deploy again even in the middle of a gang war as long as im nt serving my country

      dee.980 - 2012-07-07 16:00

      Bravo to a fine Citizen! Thank you for your post - I am comforted to know that as with many fine policemen, you too recognise that ALL security forces ARE NOT POLITICAL PARTY SPECIFIC - BUT for ALL citizens.

  • keith.f.murphy - 2012-07-07 15:58

    Let the community stand up revolt and arm the community but, but how many of the communities kids are part of those damn gangs ?? Why dont the parents of those gangs turn in their sons and say enough is enough.Or should I send a hit squad myself ?

  • Cape - 2012-07-07 16:09

    Go in HARD and send a message! They have forgotten about Staggie.

      cliverobert.jones - 2012-07-07 16:50

      u ALL rong ,the drug boys have THE RIGHT to their marketing stratergy ?iff you dont think so , look at all the supermarket gangs ? iffff u still dont agree ,well just get 2 2 and other peace prise or "prise peace "leaders to invent a "rite " for the DRUG BOYS to continue ? ?

  • Charms - 2012-07-07 17:17

    What this country desperately needs is for our TAX money to be use for the building of more prisons... There are a lot of open areas to built this units, then it would not be nessasary to build so many RDP houses.. A lot of money can be saved this way and the criminal element would start to disappear as well....Criminals are always being set free because of prisons being full. Take the "rubbish" off the streets and put them where they belong and where they can war among themselves...

  • james.m.wood.773 - 2012-07-07 17:32

    its not a good idea to deploy the military at home, but it is good to utilise them to some extent, eg patrolling to show a visible presence.

  • manu.dibango.96 - 2012-07-07 17:52

    The problem is not the gangs. The problem is the people who do drugs. If people stopped using there will be no market and as a consequence there will be no gangs. Oh but people love their drugs.

      sachasea - 2012-07-08 16:14

      Or rather leave people to ingest whatever substances they choose as it is their own body and they have the rights to their own body. But I do agree that drugs and gangs are undoubtedly linked due to Prohibition and the forcing of drugs into an unregulated black market. They need to be legalised and strictly controlled and sold by the government thus denying those lucrative profits to the gangsters and criminals. People have always wanted to take drugs throughout their long history. We won't stop it by banning them. We have to be clever in order to reduce drug use. One of those ways would involve making them less appealing by permitting them to be used. When you ban something it instantly generates interest and intrigue - that is basic human psychology. We need to employ reverse psychology on this matter.

      Matthew - 2012-07-09 10:45

      Drugs is a part of it.not the whole reason. They were animals with their disregard for another human life b4 they toked it up,and the drugs have only groomed those traits. Take out the gangs,watch what happens to the drugs It should by all means deminish,however my thoughts are that the police or the sadf itself will just fill the gap of distrubuters =/

  • dean.ramjoomia - 2012-07-07 17:55

    The social and Moral Decay and Degradation Run so Deep in Our Societies that should Policing ever be done properly many of us in Handover Park and other areas should be behind bars . What I'm saying is that so many of us hands are Dirty that restoring this is almost impossible. 1. Don't in the Name of God seek a political solution. 2. The political History of Hanover Park is far too complex and Yes the DA/ANC is not the solution. 3. All our kapse vlakte communities are challenge with Deep, Social, Religious and Apartheid conflict. 4. Yes it is good to see the infrastructure and improved housing development and beautification. 5. But we all know that all this short term proof to be just that short Term. We the People Must stop wanting our Sin and Guilt to be dealt with though the Sacrifice of a Few more obvious guilty.

  • dean.ramjoomia - 2012-07-07 18:19

    Follow up to my precious posting. There had been an unofficial state of Emergency in Hanover Park the past month. The indiscriminate and Random stop and Search of residents Delivered little. If at all and I'm not convince the Army should be deployed there job should be to create a no \shot zone\ strategic deployment to all Flash points. Detectives deploy to solve and rep up old out standing Cases. Effective evidence and witness gathering of current and on going Cases. The drug trade in Hanover Park and other areas are financed as follow. Organized Crime, Infiltration of informal trader (fruit and Veg guys), illigal and corrupt financing of Taxi owner, Dirtying of formal and Legal traders. There is a effective Money laundering Going on the Cape Flats for years and this had Never been invertigated or Raised. Why ??? Why had under performing questionable police stations and Stratagies Never been exposed or investigated. Why ??

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-07-08 22:39

      Dean, Spot on. Because of the kick-backs. How does one clean that up? When the rot is all over? Remove the children at least. Jinne man. Why must they suffer the most? I am sure that if the the Government won't intervene, you can hire Security Companies - read "Forces" that can clear up the area. Maar almal sal huil, want almal het 'n "Boetie innie Tronk" - fkd up, en so sal dit aangaan.

  • dean.ramjoomia - 2012-07-07 18:19

    Follow up to my precious posting. There had been an unofficial state of Emergency in Hanover Park the past month. The indiscriminate and Random stop and Search of residents Delivered little. If at all and I'm not convince the Army should be deployed there job should be to create a no \shot zone\ strategic deployment to all Flash points. Detectives deploy to solve and rep up old out standing Cases. Effective evidence and witness gathering of current and on going Cases. The drug trade in Hanover Park and other areas are financed as follow. Organized Crime, Infiltration of informal trader (fruit and Veg guys), illigal and corrupt financing of Taxi owner, Dirtying of formal and Legal traders. There is a effective Money laundering Going on the Cape Flats for years and this had Never been invertigated or Raised. Why ??? Why had under performing questionable police stations and Stratagies Never been exposed or investigated. Why ??

  • aiazmir - 2012-07-07 19:23

    I am an old Capetonian, now living in Gauteng and have been observing and engaging with the situation for a long time. The drug problem in the Cape Flats goes back a long way. The original "coloured" people were offspring of European Settlers who sexually, and otherwise, abused the local black population in the Cape. This dispossessed, many of their dignity. Since then it has been a struggle for the "coloured" people to regain their identity, and dignity. How one deals with that is a serious sociological problem, but for my money, a stand by local government against women and child abuse , and a stand against the practice of feeding more and more drugs, and conscious altering practices, will only come from a strong, once and for all, "we will not allow this", process. Whether, it involves the army, the police or whomever, the cycle must change. It requires time, thought, effort and money. That is the only energy that can change the current status quo.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-07-07 22:19

    Seems like the agents are trying very hard to dertroy the WC too now,DA dont allow them to do that,dont worry your support base is growing daily the other fools are digging a hole for themselves.

  • konanani.rachicoper - 2012-07-07 22:57

    And ur DA is bzy marching in jozi were it will never rule.

  • giancarlo.groenewald - 2012-07-08 02:45

    I am sorry but I do not stay there but here is another 2 cents of my thoughts on this. Do you realise what you are asking for? State of Emergency = Marshal law thus meaning the Army takes over the law book meaning if the army screws up and innocent people die then that is just all well. But yes Police = fail we need task forces to be placed back into operations again (if not already running). But another problem what army are you talking about? South Africa's army is worthless we was the most fear army in the world but now not the storey. Army is up to no good. Another 2 cents after this night I am going to be poor but here goes. The government should have it that once you leave school you need to go to the army, this helps to solve lots of problems cause frankly people I have spoken to say that before they joined the army they didn't know how to build a bridge now they do. See were I am going but any how...

  • Emmanuel - 2012-07-08 03:33

    Seriously, I've been saying this for two years on NEWS24. Today they decide to write an article on it. The country you live in needs to be declared a state of EMERGENCY. More people die in South Africa than in IRAQ or IRAN per year because of violence.

  • skabhu.babhebhe - 2012-07-08 06:34

    Im sure those gangs are DA suppoters. Brothers and sisters lets chase DA away from our towns b4 we experience the same problem

      sazi.ndlela.71 - 2012-07-08 08:04

      you are 100% correct my friend. the Provincial Govt of Western Cape is failing the innocent people in that region. they are busy mocking the National Govt while they have their plate full. bunch of useless mediocres.

      lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-07-08 10:06

      Whahahaha! You guys are funny.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-07-08 22:45

      Yes Skabhu. Paid with alcohol and drugs to deny their own humanity, and that of their fellow citizens and family. Clever trick, ne? Any government would wish that on themselves. After all, they like wallowing in the misery of others. Wrong call - that would be your ANC brethren.

  • peter.krummeck.3 - 2012-07-08 07:45

    The ANC has long promised to make the Western Cape 'ungovernable'... a tik-lolly is cheaper than a t-shirt and KFC hand-out.

  • Provence - 2012-07-08 09:01

    South Africa should be placed under state of emergency. More people have been murdered in RSA this year than in Syria!!! Go figure?

  • The4thHorsemen - 2012-07-08 09:06

    Send in the Army and the Cops.? Hypocrites.... They do something they are wrong.... They do nothing they are wrong. A show of force will not fix this. Might want to look at taking social responsibility and give your kids the love and attention they deserve and not ignore them and chase them into the hands of gang leaders

  • Sunshine246 - 2012-07-08 10:04

    Calling PAGAD...

  • Graham.Cooper2 - 2012-07-08 10:09

    You see the ANC owns the amry or defence force and they want things to look bad in the Cape. Maybe community justice should prevail.

      beverley.oflynn1 - 2012-07-09 00:10

      The gang and drug problem have been there long before the DA took over the Western Cape. We just have to look at the rest of the country to see that letting the ANC step in is going to do nothing to help this problem, just make it worse! Just to get off there arses and do something about it they will first each want a kick back!

  • Melanie - 2012-07-08 12:10

    Long overdue. Time Helen Zille and her boys sort this out. These people have been begging for help for many years. The cops could never sort this out. Time for drastic action.

  • brenda.hill.7140 - 2012-07-08 12:42

    Legalise Vigilanties .................. Don't worry about the cops..... they are never there The cops know who the "bad guys" are - just eliminate the fu^$ers. That is what amazes me - the cops - They know who is doing what, but can not do anything.. due to them having to follow the letter of the law. How the hell can the area be cleaned up --with out being arrested????

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  • tony.kirby1 - 2012-07-08 16:22

    Firstly most of the fit army chaps are playing peace keepers in Africa, Not much left at home that are not sick lame and lazy. Secondly the gangsters are the sons and daughter of residence of the Cape Flats, their own kind and kin. The cops have relatives who could be in gangs. So do as was done years ago. Bring in a force from another region.

      lebakeng.nchaupe - 2012-07-09 13:39

      Do they go the forever?

  • atticus.basilhoff - 2012-07-08 19:12

    According to official CT Travel site, Khayelitsha Township has "it's eye on the future" and is quite the tourism mecca. While they do have their problems, minor though they be, according to CT Travel, "Tourism is a major drawcard to the township, and gives visitors some insight into the lives of those who live here." Bring an AK-47.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-07-08 22:48

      Way off base, Atticus. We are talking Cape Falts (sic) here. Khayelitsha is an outpost of the EC.

  • amanda - 2012-07-08 22:59

    @ Tania Sandra. Too true. Atticus needs an atlas.

  • sarah.bryant.1804 - 2012-07-09 01:36

    The SA army are in the Sudan with the UN...

  • Matthew - 2012-07-09 10:42

    Lets all not forget ladies and gentleman,brothers and sisters. the army is not as diciplined,as effective a fighting force as it once used to be. the SADF is just as filled with corruption as the SAPS. So dont be totally fooled. Yes they can come and declare war on these thugs/animals. and protect our streets. But there will be a catch 22. so we'd best be ready for it.

  • colin69d - 2012-07-09 20:09

    the reason it doesnt and wont change, is the fact that DRUG MONEY goes father up the chain than ppl realise. in mexico, america, anywhere u like, goverment ministers and other ppl whom never get their hands dirty bennefit from this cash! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

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