Cape Town to pilot new transport system

2012-02-15 14:44

Pretoria - Cape Town has been chosen as the pilot area for a proposed integrated public transport system, to be controlled by municipalities, the transport department said on Wednesday.

"The City of Cape Town has indicated [it is] prepared to be used as a pilot area and the city must now do a feasibility study," director general George Mahlalela said.

The findings of the study - aimed at evaluating capacity and how various aspects of the project would be managed - were expected to be ready by the end of the year. Thereafter, the city could seek final approval for the scheme.

Decentralising public transport

According to the National Transport Act, passed three years ago, it was important to decentralise public transport functions to municipalities.

The problem was that every town and city had different needs, Mahlalela said.

At present, subsidies were provided by provincial government for taxis, and by the national department for commuter rail transport and taxis.

"At the end, municipalities will manage all those funds."

This meant the Passenger Rail Agency of SA would get the subsidies for commuter transport from individual municipalities, rather than from a central pool as was currently the case.

It would take "many years" for the whole country to move to an integrated public transport system, but gradual implementation would ensure adequate preparation, and that capacity and skills were in place.

"The aim is not for municipalities to change the infrastructure that is already in place, but to build on what is already there," Mahlalela said.

  • Ig - 2012-02-15 14:55

    If successful, it will beat the rubbish Gautrain by far, Sam Sholowa should have thought about this before he tarted the useless Gautrain!!!

      jogesig - 2012-02-15 15:01

      I use the Gautrain everyday, It is quite pleasant compared to driving to work and back.

      dlawre30 - 2012-02-15 15:11

      Whats wrong with the Gautrain? Have you ever used it? Works great for me and judging by how many people are using it, it can't be that bad.

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-15 15:26

      The only problem with the Gautrain is integration, which they are trying to bridge using the feedser bus system, that is if the drivers are there to drive them! Heads up to the Gautrain we should now find a solution for the cable thieves!

      binarycape - 2012-02-15 15:56

      But we are not talking about the Gautrain here - this is about Cape Town, and I ask the question - what about the RTransit system that is still being installed in parts of the metro, and which the city has shaken hands on a deal with ABSA, where ABSA makes money out of a totally unnecessary card on which one has to put money to use the buses. You cannot be a casual user of these buses, because you have to find somewhere to go and load money on a card that you might never use again - and it costs to buy the card. So, one assumes that when this new 'whateveritis' transport comes about the two hands will be shaking one another again to the detriment of the people who use/want to use the system. Grrr

      Jaybird - 2012-02-15 18:00

      Gautrain yes, Gautrain bus services definitely not !!

  • J-Man - 2012-02-15 14:55

    They chose the only place where this can actually be done.

      Jaco - 2012-02-15 15:01

      Exactly what I was thinking. So they’ll see this work in CT - and then think it’ll work just as well in Limpopo - and then wonder where things went wrong when it doesn’t.

      Bardy - 2012-02-15 15:14

      What do you expect? It's DA run... Congrats to CPT and to the DA!!!! Lets show them how to manage a metropol effectively.

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-15 15:28

      At least give praise where it is deserved, wel done DoT for (1) the policy and (2) deciding to run the pilot in CPT.

  • PatPion - 2012-02-15 14:56

    This bodes well for the people of SA!

  • Ofentse - 2012-02-15 14:57

    well done to cape town municipality atleast this municipality is heading towards civilisation and first world stature Limpopo and rest of the provinces take note and stop corruption & make things happen for yourselves

      Richard - 2012-02-15 15:13

      I wonder if this has anything to do with who runs Cape Town

      George - 2012-02-15 16:32

      Please keep the grubby paws of the anc off this project, or it WILL go belly up

  • Lloyd - 2012-02-15 15:01

    what a freakin' great idea. why not let Cape Town run the rest of the country as well!!!

  • tina.schilling1 - 2012-02-15 15:10

    About time! and we will make it work....lets show tem it can be done....waiting for the new service

  • david.lebethe - 2012-02-15 15:11

    @Ziggie and J-Man. Please stop seeing this through a spectacle of a white man but a true compatriot. Please get it into your heads that every piece of hectre in this country is under black majority rule and therefore it is government's prerogative to choose any provincial government to perform any task in the interest of the public. There is absolutely nothing special about Cape-town and people at the helm of its administration (save to preserve it as last white post). Just like any other province, Cape-town had been found wanting on service delivery and has also experienced public protests against poor service delivery.

      Stefan - 2012-02-15 15:24

      @David, I quote you. every piece of hectre in this country is under black majority rule. That's why this country is where it is Today. Totally up its own arse. Screwed.

      Stefan - 2012-02-15 15:25

      Look where that got this Country.

      Nosiphom - 2012-02-15 15:34

      You are the one with spectacles. Neither of the two mentioned race in their comments, you are the only one up to now who is mentining it. You are the one with a problem. Of cause the Gautrain is great and Ziggy is confused, not because he may have certain spectacles, he is just confused full stop, and of cause there are challenges in CPT and like everywhere else, but if you ever can read, and I think you should read the FM for example, where they published figures of Wasteful and fruitless expenses and irregular expenditure, the lowest figures by far are in the Western Cape. Whether you are white blue green black, facts are facts, the western cape is by far less corrupt. Is it because they are white run, I don't know you are the racist to answer that, I say they are just for clean governance.

      Altus van Zyl - 2012-02-15 16:40

      Wow david how clevaaaa of you. If so, why you going on about economic freedom, and more land distribution? You just said you have everything already?

      Glyn - 2012-02-15 17:56

      @David - When you learn to spell Cape Town properly I will give you some credibility. Not before then! You are right on one thing... there is nothing special about the people of Cape Town or Western Province, they are ordinary people who are determined to run their Province and City in the best way possible!. However the people running the rest of the country are PROVEN to be sub-standard! Latest news is the the anc cannot pay their own workers in Limpopo! Ha! Which province is next?

  • Schalk - 2012-02-15 15:25

    Build on existing infrastructure? Buddy please what infrastructure?

      Glyn - 2012-02-15 18:00

      @Schalk - You from Boksburg?

  • Haveyoursay - 2012-02-15 15:27

    Can you imagine the corruption in most councils. They can't even provide basic services never mind something as complicated as public transport.

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-15 15:42

      Public transport complicated????? only small minds can say that.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-15 16:07

      Mzwadile, it's not complicated, the only problem is that these buggers go on strike every second day! What's the point of having an efficient system when there is no one to run it? And try bring in scab labour to cover the wekkers when they are on strike and they will try kill them and burn the buses and trains. That is what makes it complicated.

      Craig - 2012-02-15 16:16

      @Mzwandile The London underground, NY subway, BRT, etc. are all very simple systems with 1/2 switches controlling it right? If it was THAT SIMPLE then why dont we have a reliable public transport system in SA (national gov responsibility!)???

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-15 16:40

      @Graig. I don't want to sound as if I am blaming apartheid for every problems, but it is a fact that the previous government lack a forsight on planning. The present government is faced with difficult choices, one to spend huge amounts of money on transport infrastructure or baisc necessities of the poor like houses, national road linkages in rural areas, hospital and clinics, schools, the list is endless. In my view for a proper public transport infrastructure you need huge capital investment or otherwise you will end up taxing the uses like the failing etolling system

      Mya - 2012-02-15 22:42

      The reason we cant have a safe, functioning, very simple public transport system is due to the mini bus industry. One big mafia style industry that has got hold of Transport's "balls". Can you imagine the violence and chaos they will wreak if this goes ahead?

      Craig - 2012-02-16 08:29

      @Mzwandile I hear you my man, BUT the "huge amounts of money" are being plowed into government officials' houses, cars and families and NOT public housing, schools, etc! That is why black, white, coloured, asian, etc South Africans are fed up! It is about the gross mismanagement of funds that is bringing this country down.

  • david.lebethe - 2012-02-15 15:35

    @ Stefan. You can rave and rant but one thing certain is that THE COUNTRY HAS CHANGED HANDS NOW AND WILL NEVER GO BACK. It will change hands from Liberation Movement to the another and if that cannot make you change, then you would better go elsewhere.

      Ken - 2012-02-15 15:56

      Please see a doctor you are obviously not well

      Anthony - 2012-02-15 16:08

      david --you make one BIB BIG BIG mistake--the vast majority of us are absolutly fine with 'THE COUNTRY HAS CHANGED HANDS'as u say-- what we are not fine with is the corruption ,incompetence ,and lack of delivery for heavans sake stop playing the racial card -get over yourself after all its your brothers that are no running the country [badly]

      Gerhard - 2012-02-15 16:11

      Liberation movements cannot run a country!! Liberation movements fight for civil rights and when they get them, then you need to hand it over to a proper government to try and actually run the country. The problem here is people, such as yourself, are still fighting for liberation. HELLO!! You run the country now, inefficiently and full of corruption, but you still run it. Who the hell are you supposed to be fighting now?

      Stefan - 2012-02-15 16:12

      You are right there David. The only place its going is to the Dumps. Same as Zimbabwe.

      Dominique - 2012-02-15 16:55

      What a DUMB ASS! ''the country has changed hands''... hehe!

  • Brian Peters - 2012-02-15 15:40

    Its is by time that they see centralization doesnt work an it will cut down on corruption.

  • Mzwandile - 2012-02-15 15:47

    The reason that the government has identify Cape Town is because Cape Town public transport systenmis not taking care of the poor and the marginalised community. The My City bus system is used by the affleunt communities. Areas like Cape Flats and Khayelitsha that so desparately need those are services are not considered. Cape Town will remain a racist capital that does not care about the poor and the marginalisedunder the DA/ID government. Thank you to the national government at last the poor communities will geta descent transport system

      justin.pretorius - 2012-02-15 16:02

      Racist capital? The only one with clean audits and things work? When whites run a place it is automatically "racist" but when a black regime runs a place it is "transformation" and a million excuses. Come live in the Eastern Cape where people are "liberated". It is an utter dump run by the cANCer Corp.

      Craig - 2012-02-15 16:15

      @Mzwandile And the Gautrain? Is this not run by the ANC? There goes your argument down the drain! Also, you are thanking the government for this when it is the VERY DA/ID that you bashing that will be enforcing and maintaining it! Once again lack of common sense prevails on these forums!!!

      Gerhard - 2012-02-15 16:15

      What a pathetic comment. By affluent, I assume you mean people that are willing to pay for a safe service? You have your cheap deathtrap taxis, don't knock an expensive alternative just because you expect everything for free. Economic freedom in your lifetime, which means everything for nothing and I will not work for it?

      Robyn - 2012-02-15 16:29 ...guess what, the My City bus routes will incorporate the Cape Flats and Khayelitsha. Educate yourself!! How embarrassing!!!

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-15 16:43

      I don't agree with Mzwandile on his political stance but one thing he's hit on the head is that the new My City bus only caters for middle class to upper class citizens. I've raised that concern with Helen Zille and Patricia de Lille on twitter and didn't get any response. I am glad though that the Metro will now be in charge of the train system as the only reply I got from Helen Zille is that the Cape Flats/Northern suburbs are serviced by Metrorail which she then said is National Government. This has changed now and I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with to help the poorer communities.

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-15 16:44

      @Robyn, those areas suppose to have been priorities they need that service desparately

      Dominique - 2012-02-15 17:07

      You numb nut! I'm from the Cape Flats and Khayelitsha is exactly 10 minutes away from me. Buses, taxis and trains are most frequent in these areas. We have absolutely no problem with getting around. We can use public transport to get to any point in the Cape without hassle. The onky time there's a problem is when we have Certain Political Party Followers trying to bring down the DA-run Western Cape by vandalising and stealing cables. Don't think that because you can now read and write, you're excused from using your brain. Get your facts straight.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-15 17:33

      @Dominique. The only transport systems available to the Cape Flats are taxis, buses and trains. Out of those 3 the City of Cape Town manages none. Taxis are privately owned. Buses (like Golden Arrow) are privately owned and are generally in a poor state like taxis. The trains were run by PRASA which is a National Government entity. The trains are always late and in a poor state as well, never mind overloading in the mornings and afternoons during peak time. So no, you being able to get around currently is not a function of what the DA led City of Cape Town has done. The only public transport the City currently offers which is managed by the City is the MyCiti bus service and this currently only caters for the more affluent areas. I am not defending or pushing anyone down but these are the facts. It is commendable that the City has realised that they need up the public transport system in the poorer areas. I am happy with this move from both the Dept of Transport side and the City of Cape Town.

      Robyn - 2012-02-15 17:40

      @Mzwandile, I completely agree that those areas are important, but you said that they weren't considered - which is not true. I'm no expert, but maybe the business model needed for the project to first be rolled out in high congestion areas where it could generate the most money - making the rollout of the rest of the project sustainable. If they started in the outlying poorer areas, where would the busses go to? Surely it makes a lot of sense to get the city centre infrastructure implemented and ready before sending in new busses from outlying areas? I strongly disagree with your remarks about racism. I get that this is your opinion and of course you are entitled to an opinion. It’s just really sad because the majority of Capetonians (white, black, coloured, whatever) don't fit your simplistic racist description. I pray that your life experience will show you how our diverse culture is what makes our city so beautiful and that we are more united than we are divided. All the best, Robyn

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-15 18:02

      To Robyn and others I must humbly apologies by my unfortunate reference to racism. I must admit it was uncalled for and I can assure everyone that racism is not what I advocate. I hope my apology will be accepted to everyone affected by my unaccepted comments on race. Sorry fellow South African.

      Glyn - 2012-02-15 18:07

      MyCity bus system is planned to cover all the poor areas. Meantime the more CENTRAL areas are being serviced, NOT the MORE AFFLUENT. No politics here, just facts. How does a bus service operate to the poor areas without going to the central areas? Check out the long term (and not so long term) plans for MyCity, you will be surprised!

      Gerhard - 2012-02-15 18:11

      Apology accepted and much appreciated. It's in our nature to pull the race card sometimes. I think we all have the same goal in mind but sometimes we get a little upset. We tend to try and blame someone for the failures of government but sometimes we need to look at ourselves because we demand very little from government.

      Arp Liebenberg - 2012-02-15 21:14

      mzamd watsenaam you are talking absolute crap you racist dog

      Tough - 2012-02-16 07:41

      The My City buses will be expanded to the Cape flats and Khaye, they are currently in a roll out phase. Get your facts straight and stop living in the past

      Annemieke - 2012-02-16 08:39

      If Cape Town is so racist and anti poor why are thousands of Blacks flocking to it every month? They should rather go to the well run ANC Limpopo province, or stay at home in their well run ANC Eastern Cape

  • Malcolm - 2012-02-15 15:53


      Malcolm - 2012-02-15 15:58

      (To anyone in the DA who is listening) - You've been handed a once off golden opportunity here, please don't drop the ball.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-15 16:25

      I just fear that if it does work and it works well for everyone, the knobs in charge of this country will not be happy and try and sabotage it. They are a dismal failure and they would hate anything else to be successful. After all, consensus amongst ANC supporters is that the DA is a white party (even though it is not) and heaven forbid a "white" party shows them how to run a country. The DA is a party driven to deliver to all South Africans, when will these sheeple actually start realising this? Maybe after the cANCer has stolen every last cent from them and stopped all of their goverment grants and stopped dishing out free T-shirts and free food.

  • Derek - 2012-02-15 16:33

    I have used the Gautrain many times and I live in UK, and I can say that the Gautrain is WORLD-CLASS

  • newelld - 2012-02-15 16:37

    Awesome! SOMETHING right happening for once!!!!

  • david.lebethe - 2012-02-15 16:56

    @Ken. Unlike your other brother (Gerhard) your response don't offer anything tangible to respond to. Maybe you should go and learn a bit about how to conduct yourself in the debate. As for Gerhard, he mistakes Liberation Movement for a military coup d'etat where after sometime the running of the country is surrendered to civil government. Liberation Movement is a group of organisations waging struggle for liberation on behalf of their constituences. Often than not, liberation movement have their own army (e.g. AZANLA, APLA and Mkhonto we Sizwe)and administration to take care of political demands and requirements (in the case of AZAPO and Anc - AZAPO and UDF) all aimed at overthrowing the government of the day (in our case, the white racists government). Now that Anc (a memeber of the Liberation Movement) has taken over the running of the country, it didn't mean other members of the Liberations Movement (BCMA and PAC) have disappeared from the face. However, in the case of Zimbabwe ZANU swallowed ZAPU to form a Patriotic Front which gave rise to ZANU-PF. Furthermore, who says there was no corruption during the reign of a white racist white government? In fact, the country thrived on exploitation of black people whose taxes facilitated free transport, better health and sport facilities for white people in this country - a problem that Anthony (like a typical liberal) wish us to gloss over.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-15 18:05

      David, you may not believe this, but I do agree with some of your points, not all of them, but some of them. It's called tolerance. I matriculated in 1991, which was the last year of schooling before full integration of all races. I know this because I did not have a black person in my class. That is not being racist, it is stating a fact. Although I sympathise about how the apartheid government treated people who were not white, I was not part of that system. I could not vote. I battled with the concept of how we were not treated equal. So I can not apologise for what happened prior to the first year I could vote, which was 1994. It is now 2012, and I have never been involved with an election of a government that is not all inclusive. I have two boys, aged 12 and 7, who are an endangered species, being the white male. They do not know about apartheid, yet still, they will be punished for it for 1,000 years. Is it not maybe time we forget about what our forefathers did and give everyone a chance? The apartheid government may have been corrupt but at 36, I have no recollection of it. I was a fuggin teenager FFS!! 36 years is a long time, I am already middle aged. Lets focus on the now, correct the problems we have now and let's try and build a future where you and I can go for a beer on a Friday afternoon and I can mock you about supporting soccer because it is a sport for girls and I can try convince you that only real men play rugby.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-15 18:12

      I know, David and me need to get a room..........

  • hilton.baartman - 2012-02-15 16:58

    Well done to the DoT for realising this project and well done to the City of Cape Town for taking this on. Folks please stop being so negative and commend where good work is done.

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-15 17:12

      I agree Hilton

      david.lebethe - 2012-02-15 17:43

      Don't be shy to call all these white racists to order.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-15 18:02

      @david Not sure if that's sarcasm but if not then no, I'm not calling a particular race to order. I'm merely addressing the situation. We as a nation are way too caught up on racial nonsense. If we could just get over ourselves (white, black, coloured or whatever you wanna call yourself) then half our problems will be solved. We're all people. We're all South Africans and it's not my country nor yours, it's OURS so let's build it together!

  • Glyn - 2012-02-15 17:46

    Thumbs up for this one! Can I be a train driver now?

  • mike.clery - 2012-02-15 18:23

    @binarycape - the city's big mistakes with the MyConnect card was rushing it and not communicating properly. If Brett Heron is to be believed, the ABSA monopoly (which should never have been allowed) is a short-term issue because you will be able to use your own bank's debit card. They're also supposed to be introducing an "infrequent user" system that doesn't require the purchase of the MyConnect card. Apparently, ABSA were also supposed to have had a system in place to top up the cards at convenience stores by this stage. (Seems like ABSA haven't met their obligations but are still charging for the "full" service.) This info should have been communicated clearly BEFORE the card was forced on customers, and the card shouldn't have been introduced until all this was in place! For the record, use of the Visa/Master system is mandatory all over SA as per the rules laid down by the national Dept of Transport, and the cards have to be usable on ALL public transport nationally. This is supposed to all be done by June 2016. It's still a mystery why we have to accept bank charges for using the card when the use of the Octopus card in Hong Kong is free (after paying the deposit on the card), and you can top up and buy goods from any convenience store.

  • david.lebethe - 2012-02-15 21:39

    @Gerhard. I am much older than you and as you can imagine, am a victim of white racism and so are some of my children (some of whom are about your age). While there might be some measure of truth that you don't know racism and you never practiced, but one thing for a fact is that (like all white people in this country) you benefitted from and protect that which you gained at all costs (including, having to howl at those who point out the truth about whites in this country).

  • david.lebethe - 2012-02-15 21:46

    @Hilton.Baartman. Racism is a global phenomenon and you must be dreaming that it will just disappear from the phase. If you have not been a victim thereof, then count yourself lucky but one thing certain is that you will soon be reminded and don't count on my sympathy, my brother. Good luck in your endeavours.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-16 08:14

      David, you have no idea what I have or might not have been through in my life. I just see little point to us pointing fingers at each other every time and around every corner. What purpose does this serve? Are your grandchildren going to eat one day because of it? No? Are your great grandchildren still going to be subjects of racial abuse? Yes if you keep on pointing fingers and are hung up on your race. Funny, I've got KhoeKhoe (khoi-khoi for those who don't know) roots. I guess if I had your attitude then I should so called black people to piss off out of my country because you also came and attacked the KhoeKhoe when the Nguni tribes migrated? What's the point? It doesn't change my reality now and certainly won't change any of my grandchildren's. And whilst racism might be a global phenomenon at least countries like the US have gotten to the point where the majority have gotten over their racial prejudices by voting a minority leader into the presidency. At the rate we are going at we will end up civil war because we simply cannot tolerate and respect each other for who we are.

  • Harald - 2012-02-16 07:25

    I have no dougt the DA will get it working perfectly... other place in SA, don't think so.

  • geetheswar.baijnath - 2012-05-28 20:01

    what happened to all the intercity trains like the trans karoo /the orange express// the trans natal//drakensberg// the blue train etc. they all used to run at full capacity

  • khoisan5565 - 2013-02-18 09:59

    will again be used to benefit the rich ,same as myciti ,DA is only for the rich so cant see why they let cape town do this first

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