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Casino keeps gambler's jackpot

2013-01-20 13:34

Johannesburg - A Johannesburg casino confiscated a banned gambler's winnings and charged him with trespassing after he hit a jackpot, a weekend newspaper reported.

Businessman Mahesh Kalidas, 53, voluntarily had himself banned from all casinos in the country last year, but continued to gamble, the Sunday Times reported.

Kalidas claimed that Montecasino allowed him to withdraw money, and to spend nearly R40 000 on slot machines, but confiscated his R129 000 winnings when he hit the jackpot on 31 October 2012.

"Casinos are happy to allow banned gamblers back to lose, but the moment they win they are charged with trespassing and thrown out," Kalidas said.

He was arrested and paid an admission-of-guilt fine at the Douglasdale police station.

Kalidas said he wanted a refund of the R200 000 he spent in the casino in February and October last year.

He said he had continued gambling after he agreed to be banned because he had "lost control".

Comments
  • eugene.beyers.14 - 2013-01-20 13:39

    Didn't you know guy? The house always wins !! :-)

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2013-01-20 16:16

      The only machine that pays out at a casino is the ATM...

      paul.nefdt - 2013-01-21 00:15

      Im not a lawyer but, instead of wasting his money on their slots, take them to court, they have a case to answer for allowing him to enter, withdraw funds & according to them illegally place wagers. Seems to me they were negligent to the point that they allowed you to get so far..

      petrus.ngwenya.3 - 2013-01-21 06:08

      Everybody's fault except his. "The bright lights made me do it, mom!!!"

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-01-21 07:26

      johan.mostert.967 - Just posted Report commentComments Policy If he had a gamble problem and the casino allow him to gamble, isn't they braking the National Gambling Act of 2004? (2) A person must not knowingly pay any winnings from a gambling activity to - (a) a minor; (b) by an excluded person; or (c) any other person who won those winnings in a gambling activity that is unlawful in terms of this Act. (3) Any person who is prevented from paying winnings referred to in subsection (2) must remit those winnings to the board in the prescribed manner and form, tho be held by the board in trust, pending a decision in terms of subsection (4). The question is, did they 'legally' banned him from the casino.

  • ben.nevis.906 - 2013-01-20 13:42

    When you think that you've heard it all...

      fredster.mania.5 - 2013-01-21 07:59

      Must be an ANC casino

  • lasherza - 2013-01-20 13:43

    They allowed him to gamble AFTER he was banned then took away his jackpot after he won..hmmm cmon Casino at fault here!

      thanuj.thulsie - 2013-01-20 13:50

      yes agree,how dumb can the casino be,allow him to enter,to withdraw money to gamlble and then let him obviously play the tables,but ha once he wins they realsiise oh ok lets arrest him as he might win more with the amount he just won,double standards.if i were this guy i sue them for more than the amount won

      rohin.jadin - 2013-01-20 18:12

      The point is the casino doesn't take note of who's playing. Anyone can walk in and play as a day guest. However, if you win a jackpot, your details are required, the system can only flag the ID number then.

      paul.nefdt - 2013-01-21 00:18

      @Robin: that's BS, whats the point of asking for help if the Casino is not actively looking to prevent gambling addicts from gambling??

      Joker1ZA - 2013-01-21 08:09

      @rohin ... Dude.. trust me. I have seen banned people attempt to enter casinos, whereupon, they are flagged faster than you can say '11 black'. The system these casinos have in place are up to date. They were obviously milking this guy for what he was worth foras long as they could. Now when he hits a big1, they bring in technicalities that wants to rob him of a small fortune that wont even see him break even. I say sue the casino for negligence that theyregret not paying the measley 129k this guy won.

      Rohin - 2013-01-21 13:31

      @Paul.nefdt - it's not BS. the casino can only do that much. consider how many thousands go through their doors. @Joker - I involved in the industry - their systems are fantastic, but they can't stop everyone.

      terence.makgalo - 2013-01-22 11:54

      But he might have used a fake identity to go in, how the hell could he have entered the Casino

  • Erna - 2013-01-20 13:48

    If the casino is prepare to take his money they should also pay out his winnings.

      Flippncool - 2013-01-20 14:17

      Agreed, well said.

      paul.moulang - 2013-01-20 14:26

      ... then he is not banned ... They should not allow him in as he has asked to be banned due to his 'loss of control ... (at SPENDING money, not WINNING it)'.

      Rohin - 2013-01-21 14:09

      justanotherguy.fromsa. there is such a clause. in the same way that i'm not allowed to gamble. I can go insert as much money as i want into their machines and on their tables but the moment i win something, I'm not entitled to claim it. Especially when it's large sums of money where I have to identify myself.

  • ttrevenen - 2013-01-20 13:49

    Just finished reading Rayda Jacobs book "Masquerade" (autobiography), she banned herself from GrandWest in Cape Town but was also allowed to continue to gamble there!!!!

  • neil.lovegrove - 2013-01-20 13:58

    No that is just wrong

  • gert_swart - 2013-01-20 14:31

    I think he's got a case against the casino.

      beverly.young3 - 2013-01-20 16:18

      I am sure the casino will lose this case. A few years ago, at FR casino, a guy won a million on the poker machines? They argued that the machines were faulty and tried not to pay him out. Also that he was drunk?? Anyway, they had to pay eventually. Law being, "if they accepted his money, he was entitled to the rewards thereof".

  • chaze.damonze - 2013-01-20 14:47

    I think they are both wrong on some accounts, so they should give the money to an unrelated entity... Like me

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-01-21 07:29

      Don't be selfish, ME!

  • Jacques - 2013-01-20 15:08

    I'm with him on this. If you ban him you ban his money too.

      Bob - 2013-01-20 17:03

      It's the guy's fault he went and threw more of his money away there. Casinos can't be blamed for irresponsible human beings and their lack of self-control.

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-01-21 07:30

      But they can be blamed for stealing his winnings after they allowed a banned member to still keep on playing.

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2013-01-20 15:17

    @Derek you seem to be thicker comparing two different subjects.

  • Peter Zylstra - 2013-01-20 15:25

    all casinos are bad loosers!

      Bob - 2013-01-20 17:00

      *lose. Fixed that for you. And casinos always win in the long run, it boils down to statistics and the imbeciles they appeal to. There's no need for them to be 'bad losers'.

      mike.bundy.73 - 2013-01-21 09:45

      Not true, casinos love it when someone wins big. It's good advertising for them and makes more people come in to try their luck. And at the end of the month the casino has still made hundreds of millions in pure profit.

  • phillip.marchant.52 - 2013-01-20 15:27

    Why complain? Casino's operate just the same as insurance companies, medical aid schemes and the banking industry - we'll keep smiling at you, so long as it's one-way traffic. "Gamble with your head", "we don't hassle" and "vote for us and we'll give you...". I've heard there's a government like this somewhere in Africa, but for the likes of me, I just can't remember where...

  • Joe - 2013-01-20 15:28

    lol

  • ian.robertreid - 2013-01-20 15:51

    U lost control allright?? ~ get a life get a real job??

  • dirang.montsho - 2013-01-20 15:54

    ?!

  • abner.mophethe - 2013-01-20 15:58

    we'll take your money as long as you keep losing,as soon as you hit the jackpot,we suddenly remember that you were not supposed to play in the first place.CASINOS are dishonest cheats

  • nigel.olifaunt - 2013-01-20 16:36

    The gambler is the stupid one here!

  • dylan.mugabe - 2013-01-20 16:48

    Poor form from the casino. Gambling is a terrible addiction. He should never have been allowed back in there.

  • danielle.hugo.3 - 2013-01-20 17:03

    My dad and a few other people I know had themselves banned. You sign a legal document with the full understanding that if you get caught entering a casino you will be fined or worse. They keep a photo of you and your ID etc... But obviously no casino is able to check the ID of every single person entering. Banning yourself is meant to deter you from gambling because the whole point is that if you try to cash out money (especially a late amount) you will have to prove your identity and will get in trouble having signed the agreement. Sorry but the casino is NOT in the wrong here. Pity that he continued to gamble but the casino will not track what everyone loses. Everyone knows the odds are stacked against them and if you happen to win something, awesome - but in this case he was there illegally. So it's fair. They wouldn't withhold winnings from any person who has every right to be there.

      rohin.jadin - 2013-01-20 18:15

      Agreed

      paul.nefdt - 2013-01-21 00:28

      @danielle - No law is ULTIMATE, no matter what you sign, a court can alter/rescind the legality of any agreement where a reasonable argument can be made. i.e. the casino is not being part of the solution, the way the "self ban" is being described, they (the Casino) is still part of the problem. What remedies other than confiscating your winnings are they offering??

      Danielle - 2013-01-21 09:13

      @paul - I hear what you're saying; my point is just that people voluntarily ban themselves to try and curb their problem with the knowledge that they won't be able to win 'big' anyway, as the consequences will be along the lines of what happened here. I hate seeing all the obviously poor people sitting at the slot machines, desperately hoping to win something. I know gambling is a terrible addiction and it's far from an ideal solution. I do feel sorry for the guy, but he is making out as though he didn't realise that he was at fault... surely he would have a solid case against the casino if he wasn't banned and the jackpot was rightfully his.

  • kgosi.taele - 2013-01-20 17:08

    Having worked in the industry before, personally I don't feel sorry for the man. The man requested a ban(self exclusion) from the casino and it was granted. One of the terms read to him are that should he sneak in unnoticed and win, his winning will be confescated and donated to a charity. He will be arrested for trespassing. He was also informed about the National responsible gambling program with free counselling. Monte casino has alot of people for them to notice all the people at all times its rather difficult. End of the day its the duty of the self excluded person to keep away.

      danielle.hugo.3 - 2013-01-20 18:03

      Couldn't agree more! He imposed this on himself. If he didn't familiarise himself with the law it's his own stupidity to blame.

      kimard - 2013-01-20 20:57

      ya free counselling :)) make me an addict and then help me not to be an addict they are shameless and they create addicts with the point system

      kerryann.holtzhausen - 2013-01-21 14:31

      Kim, when in your life do you really believe that someone else can MAKE you an addict. We all have choices.

      kimard - 2013-01-21 14:51

      easily kerryann look around you - alcoholics, druggies etc all for different reasons - but i know about poor people gambling with HOPE and before they sneeze voila, addicts and the industry laughs all the way to the bank.

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2013-01-20 17:19

    This banning issue legal document is flawed.It is created to abuse,use,misuse and dehumanise the people.

  • Doorboot - 2013-01-20 17:33

    I think this article is very weak, it does not explain what banning entails. Is it a criminal thing, a totally voluntary thing. How is the casino supposed to enforce it. So for me I will not choose side other than to say that only idiots think that they can make money out of gambling...

  • deabreu - 2013-01-20 17:41

    Mayb the ANC politicians run Monte casinio as well.

      danielle.hugo.3 - 2013-01-20 18:04

      I don't get why people like you even comment... you have no interest in the topic and are just looking for any opportunity to bash the government or whatever else you have a problem with.

      rene.mcevoy.7 - 2013-01-24 08:06

      You are not very intelligent, are you?

  • Modikoe.Elias.Ramongana - 2013-01-20 18:06

    They knew he was gambling even thou he was banned.They didn't help him with rehabilitation,instead they let him come

      gerald.parker.3956 - 2013-01-21 06:57

      please tell me how did they knew he was gambling. You do not have to show your I D when you go in and at Montecasino anyone can go there and not even go into the gambling area

      mike.bundy.73 - 2013-01-21 09:50

      They do offer free counselling and assistance with rehabilition. He signed the banning document voluntarily in the full knowledge of what it meant.

  • lawrence.meyer.14 - 2013-01-20 18:38

    Casino should pay him out.... He's just gonna play it all back in again...

  • alan.smart.102 - 2013-01-20 18:48

    most of these casinos uses facial recognition systems similar to what the US uses at airports these days. I'll bet a pretty penny (no pun intended)that they knew he was there... these systems are darn efficient. Anyway, gambling is bad! Take your money and buy a property.

      Danielle - 2013-01-21 09:14

      Are you saying there is such a system at every entrance to Montecasino? The place is huge; the casino is just one small part of it and anyone can walk through the entire area.

      alan.smart.102 - 2013-01-21 22:11

      Danielle, This is the beauty of the technology.... it can use any of the cameras that is located within all the buildings. Do yourself a favor and read up on the technology. The software gets it feeds from the cameras and continuously analyses human faces against a set of flagged faces. Not rocket science really.... American Casinos has been using this tech for years to track card counters

      alan.smart.102 - 2013-01-21 22:13

      Oh, and if you have a 5th generation smartphone / or nice camera, feel free to take a picture and see the software zoom onto the persons face with a sight finder block...same tech, easy on resources

      alan.smart.102 - 2013-01-21 22:21

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_recognition_system

  • kimard - 2013-01-20 20:48

    south african casinos at their best - i know someone working at one in cape town. you guys wont believe the "behind the scenes" discrimination and racism - if you complain they nail you to the bone! then some stuff going on with the white day cards (not going to explain) all i can say to casions - dont think all your employees are loyal to you. when push comes to shove you are in for big trouble with evidence collected

      kimard - 2013-01-20 21:12

      *casinos (edited)

      byleveldt - 2013-02-07 09:05

      I am so enjoying this; Those racism and discrimination cellphone recordings/downloaded stiffies are in the wrong hands now. All I can say is, that casino messed with the wrong woman too many times ...

  • AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-01-20 21:23

    . Always thought casino bosses were smart !! But how dumb can one be; This bad publicity has costs them a lot more than R 129 000!!!

      Danielle - 2013-01-21 09:15

      Trust me, they won't suffer as a result. Any casino will always have plenty of income

  • deon.vantonder.77 - 2013-01-20 21:25

    Like government. If you make money you get taxed. If you loose you are on your own.

  • donald.perumal - 2013-01-20 21:27

    If the Casino took his losses then they are obliged to pay out his winnings.The rest of the patrons should boycott such unfair practice by staying away!

  • michael.dexter3 - 2013-01-21 02:19

    yandisa you are the thickest /can't see the point being made!!

  • shane.hendrikz - 2013-01-21 05:40

    The casino may be allowed to confiscate the winnings, but as far as I know they have to donate the winnings to a charity, I hope we are going to see some evidence of this donation. The casino should not be allowed to bennefit from the clients mistake. The machines are programmed to pay out a certain percentage of the takings, these thresholds are determined by law, so if the casino keeps the winnings they will in effect be breaking the law. As far as the gambler goes, I hope this will teach him a lesson and keep him away for good.

  • mateklongse - 2013-01-21 07:19

    Someone who's got R 40k to throw at the casino and then ist still liquid enough not to die and shout, does not need a lawyer as he's just like the casino, rules when it suits, though technically the Casino is malade. Teach both a lesson and have the money ruled to be given for charity, and that goes for the pay-in by the addict and the jackpot he'd "won".

  • eric.martinsich - 2013-01-21 07:29

    If he came in and played with a "white" card no one would no he was playing until he tries to claim his winnings. If he played with a card that has his name connected to it then the casino should of blocked it. Further big boys must not cry. he banned himself and he knows the rules. Of course if his winnings is taken then the money he played should be given back.

  • wessel.jordaan.3 - 2013-01-21 07:38

    There are cameras all over the floors at machines and tables, croupiers are monitored at all times. There are persons in a control room monitoring cameras at all times. Security would have/should have identified him on the cameras. Straight up the casino failed the guy, they should take responsibility.

      Danielle - 2013-01-21 09:19

      I don't think they have systems sophisticated enough to identify every one of the thousands of gamblers there at any given time.

      kimard - 2013-01-23 09:38

      yes all big casinos have facial recognition cameras - they took his money and then kicked him to the curb.

  • collins.ntelele - 2013-01-21 13:38

    'Winners know when to stop.'

  • mike.lindsay.7927 - 2013-01-21 13:45

    Why was he banned from casinos ? Is he a compulsive gambler ? If so, he gambled once again on not being removed from the establishment ito his voluntary ban. He won the jackpot and lost the payout ! What's he crying about ?

  • howard.green.351 - 2013-01-21 13:51

    Give the money to charity.It does not belong to the Casino

  • louis.kriel - 2013-01-21 13:58

    Ban Casino's not gamblers!!

      Bob - 2013-01-21 17:54

      Gamblers are weak, irresponsible people with zero self-control. Casinos see a business opportunity targeting people who will willingly allow themselves to be robbed. I don't see a problem there, except for kids who go hungry because their lousy parents gambled away all the money.

  • kerryann.holtzhausen - 2013-01-21 14:25

    My question is this: what is he doing there if he banned himself. Looking for exactly what he got.

  • riotousr - 2013-01-21 14:59

    Some utter sense of brainlessness prevailing. All around us.

  • mpho.kwababa - 2013-01-21 15:32

    that serves him right! maybe now he will stop gambling!

  • zondra.hoffmann - 2013-01-21 15:33

    What a joker you are!! Have you not learnt your lesson?

  • rene.mcevoy.7 - 2013-01-21 16:15

    According the the Gambling acts, the casino will also not get the winnings. It has to be paid over to the Gaming Board. That is law. If you do not know anything about the Gaming laws in SA, go and find out. It has the most controlled systems in place. Now if only the Government will impose the same standards to themselves, we will be one happy nation!

  • ilse.mather - 2013-01-21 16:27

    Nail the crooks Mahesh. It would also be great if the Gambling Board can check their slot machines if they are set to the legal pay-out percentages. You can ask any big punter at MONTE CASINO if they think their pay-outs are fair and regular. I know of many people who easily put R60 000 to R100 000 in one machine without even getting R10 000 back. Time to boycott them. I would rather spend my money at Sun International casinos - they also look after their punters unlike MONTE CASINO WHERE LIFE IS DEFINATELY NOT BEAUTIFUL!

      Bob - 2013-01-21 17:48

      One shouldn't be asking why they're getting such a terrible win to loss ratio but rather why they're throwing all their money away to a one-armed bandit. It's gambling. In the end you lose and the casino wins. Any sensible person knows that.

  • leonard.w.gray - 2013-01-22 07:36

    Casinos are designed to make money and they conduct legalized theft to make this money. Everything is computerized and manipulated to make you lose 99.9% of the time. Its a total scam. Even if you win you lose, like in this case.

  • fiona.hickman.79 - 2013-01-22 08:06

    Every choice has a consequence. He knew he was banned yet still chose to take a chance (being a gambler and all) and return to the casino...how did he think he was going to cash in his winnings if he is banned?? Dumbo.

  • robert.p.gemmell - 2013-01-22 08:09

    How can they ban him from the casino but allow him to continue to gamble but as soon as he wins take his money. Personally I would take this matter to my lawyers as that is unfair practise from the casino. they have rightly taken his winnings and I would love to know where the R 129000 rand he won where's that going. I can say to the managements back pocket. Take them to the cleaners that is YOUR MONEY

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