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Cele must explain, says protector

2011-03-04 13:02

Johannesburg - Public Protector Thuli Madonsela wants National Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele to explain why two policemen arrived at her office asking for documents relating to her recent probe into his involvement in a R500m improper lease agreement, her office said on Friday.

"The public protector has written to General Bheki Cele just seeking clarity on the purpose of the visit," said Madonsela's spokesperson Kgalalelo Masibi.

"The public protector is worried because she felt she could have been informed in advance. She also could not decipher why she features in [an] internal investigation in the [police]."

Apology

Masibi said that Cele also called Madonsela on Thursday to apologise for the incident, which her office described as a visit, not a raid as there was no search and staff did not feel intimidated.

"He phoned the public protector and said that he did not sanction the visit and that the matter is going to be investigated and that he apologises for the incident," said Masibi.

She said two policemen, a Colonel Maluleka and a Captain Nkuta, arrived at the offices [on Wednesday], on the instructions of a Colonel Heine.

Without official papers backing up their request, they sought a document referred to in a Sunday Times report last week and wanted to know if it had formed part of the protector's findings regarding a police lease probe.

Madonsela could not understand why the police needed the document, because it was given to her office by the police themselves during her investigation.

"It is [the police] that provided the public protector with those documents. They were actually asking for information which they themselves had. It was their own documents."

Unlawful conduct

Her report was on an investigation into a R500m lease agreement for new police headquarters in Pretoria.

The Sunday Times had alleged that Cele had signed a lease agreement for the building with businessman Roux Shabangu without it being put out to tender.

Last month, Madonsela concluded that Cele was implicated in unlawful conduct and maladministration as the accounting officer for the police, even though he was not directly involved in the final lease agreement.

She recommended that Cabinet get an explanation from Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde on why she decided to continue with the lease despite getting legal opinion advising against it.

The Sunday Times reported that there was a document which showed that Cele allegedly personally authorised funds for the lease agreement.

Authority questioned

Cele responded to the public protector's findings by questioning her authority to pronounce him guilty of improper conduct.

He said that the Special Investigating Unit had no right to have been part of her investigation. He suggested that a subordinate Hamilton Hlela may have been responsible, and that he had not known about the final agreement.

During the police visit on Wednesday, Madonsela decided to give the police a list of the documents which formed part of the investigation, but not the documents themselves, said Masibi.

Comment was not immediately available from Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa's spokesperson, but police spokesperson Major General Nonkululeko Mbatha said on Friday that "processes" were underway regarding the visit by the counter intelligence officials.

She would not elaborate.

Priority

She and McIntosh Polela, who usually does media comment for the Hawks, but said he was speaking for the police, issued a joint statement on Thursday.

In it, they said: "The SAPS management strongly condemns an act of alleged invasion of the office of the public protector by members from counter intelligence.

"The members acted outside their mandate hence appropriate action is being instituted accordingly."

Opposition parties have criticised the incident, with some saying Cele should step down.

Meanwhile, Madonsela is still waiting to meet with Justice Minister Jeff Radebe and Cabinet secretary Cassius Lubisi to discuss the report before the government announces its position on the matter.

Justice spokesperson Tlali Tlali said the matter of discussing the report was being given "the priority it deserves" and the availability of everyone required to be at the meeting was being checked.

Once a date was decided the department would probably announce it and after meeting Madonsela, it may have a media briefing.

Comments
  • Paul - 2011-03-04 13:16

    Getting a bit bored of this article. Cele is such an underachiever. The big boys like Zuma and shaik are newsworthy, with their 35 billion arms deals. This lightweight only manages 500 mill and he makes headlines...should be on page 37.

      Nkunzi - 2011-03-04 13:36

      R 44 billion + ? (R 44,000,000,000)

      IandI - 2011-03-04 13:46

      Enough about the lease Commissioner! Is he really in charge of the police if he claims he knew nothing about the "raid"?

      changeisGood - 2011-03-04 14:44

      Estate Agent Commissioner.........

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2011-11-26 05:09

      We'll Cele is up for corruption and this. It's now thought that the drop in crime stats is due to him getting a fat bonus. No surprise there, with Cele as a criminal himself, I don't think he gives a crap about crime in SA. He just cares about his pocket. The same about the previous guy before Cele, he too was nailed for corruption. It seems we are lied to since these phoney people are in charge of our crime. Where are the days when honest leaders gave us the real data without hoping to score bonus salaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bheki_Cele

  • ji - 2011-03-04 13:18

    why ask , cele and the ANC wanted to destroy any evidence so they can carry on stealing from the tax payer . coruption , coruption and more coruption is the ANC way .

      Midcorner - 2011-03-04 13:30

      Chief with due respect this matter had nothing to do with the movement,individuals are the once that need to account base on their actions and not the movement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      jiamalunga - 2011-03-04 13:35

      Oh so you are a movement now? Moving tax money to individual accounts?

      threezero - 2011-03-04 13:39

      Cele is a cadre of the "movement", so what he does is directly linked to the "movement".

      ji - 2011-03-04 13:41

      @midcorner , all due respect when a movement has no honest people in it and a track record of the ANC , eg 39 billion arms deal , 500 million SAP deal , hospitals fraud , teachers fraud , incompotant SAP and TRAFFIC POLICE , disgraced leaders like Mbeki , Cele , Selibi , McBride , Malema to name a few , then yes the whole movement is to blame .

      Rajty - 2011-03-04 14:45

      Why is Cele an cadre- do you even know what that word means? is he a cadre because he is black????? What government puts an unknown into that key strategic position in any case- why is it a cadre appopintment???It's like Anglo appointing joe soap on the board, just because there is a space??????Stupid people-get your heads out of your irrational and biggotted gutters and start thinking like the so-called educated and skilled lot that you profess you are.

      changeisGood - 2011-03-04 14:46

      Estate Agent commissioner

  • Dr Filemon - 2011-03-04 13:19

    Either he is incompetent because he has no knowledge of the raid Or he is a lame duck with no control Or he is guilty Or he is a guilty, lame-duck, incompetent excuse for a general

      Nkunzi - 2011-03-04 13:31

      Eish! I thinks the docktar, she is right! 'smaybe numba 4?

      Mahasana - 2011-03-04 14:11

      Must SAPS intellegent unit first consult the commissioner's office when it intends to conduct an investigation?Please give a fair answer not an insult.

      Cheq - 2011-03-04 15:55

      @Dr I hope you not on weed but who is competent in the cabinet...

  • daaivark - 2011-03-04 13:25

    They didn't just want the info. They wanted the actual documents, so they could "be disappeared". Surely that is as obvious as the day is long.

  • Midcorner - 2011-03-04 13:26

    This man is applying all forces to insure that he doesnt account,how can he be so stupid by sending the intelligence to go to the office of Public Procecuter to obtain those document while the case is boilling to this level? and how was he going to explain that at the end Some people need a serious teaching on letting emotions to get in their way

      dawiej - 2011-03-04 13:41

      hey Midcorner, eish man , ..... its da movement that putting him there to steal for them.......

      Logs01 - 2011-03-04 14:22

      @Midcorner, YES, Cele IS that STUPID!!! When you are stupid, you are stupid and there is no pill on earth to fix that. That goes for the stupid people that appointed him, his supporters and the voters that voted for all these stupid people in charge.

  • Baas-Julius - 2011-03-04 13:27

    Can someone say Policy State.

      Milo29 - 2011-03-04 15:30

      Police State....

      JOHNNYBRAVO - 2011-04-09 12:27

      policy or police state?

  • Darkie_Ekasi - 2011-03-04 13:32

    Irish gave England a hiding of the tournament, and to think of it, they don’t even like Cricket! That would be embarrassing…

      Madelane - 2011-03-04 14:31

      Oh these Brits are really weird.....now receiving a hiding from the Irish....really....how kinky is that?

  • Slapper - 2011-03-04 13:33

    It will be very interesting to hear his explanation, but I doubt anything will come from it. "The Devil made me do it" is good, also "I don't know what Day it is, let alone know whats going on" But try to be original and dont do a Selebi, otherwise you are gone Bru!

  • Carl - 2011-03-04 13:33

    Vote ANC! Bloody idiots

      Musa Ngubane - 2011-03-04 14:03

      But the ANC is the governing party, idiot!

      Midcorner - 2011-03-04 14:09

      Thanks my leader we will keep on doing that,when the country was devided in those years back,it is this movement that stood up and raise its head and when we were denied our rights it was also this movement that showed character and today we are a free country and we continue to progress and once again thanks to this movement.We have achieve most since the democracy as collectively as we are and thanx to the movement And it is a fact that we are facing a challenge within a movement and we are working on it,no one is perfect and the focus of all of us is to say how can we contribute in making a difference in our country by eradicating those who are not faithful within the boundries of our movement?

      modefan - 2011-03-04 14:24

      @Midcorner... we haven't been 'progressing' for a long time now, the rand is weak, the infrastructure is in bad condition, all the skilled professionals are leaving the country and corruption are at its worst level in years, as soon as someone stamps out corruption, they are fired, the scorpions were disbanded and recently the head of the department that regulates real estate was fired when she was attributed to cleaning up the industry...how are we progressing?

      Milo29 - 2011-03-04 15:34

      @Midcorner. Do you really know what you are talking about, or are you just talking? Do you veen know what the conversation is about?

  • jiamalunga - 2011-03-04 13:34

    Eish Cele who? Is this woman mad!

  • threezero - 2011-03-04 13:36

    And so the pillars around comrade Cele start to crumble...

  • briansmith702 - 2011-03-04 13:36

    No doubt this raid was authorised by that Cowboy Cele just as was the case with the journalist but nothing will happen to Zuma's cowboy cop. Just watch this space. A f***kin disgrace but as we all know this is the new ANC under Zuma.

  • secha - 2011-03-04 13:42

    National commissioner"General" must go to Police training institution before being appointed by the president to take the hot sit.

  • abs230653 - 2011-03-04 13:43

    And he had the nerve to call Shrien Dewani a MONKEY !!! I suppose its takes one to recognise another.

  • willieman - 2011-03-04 13:44

    Cele and Mahlangu-Nkabinde should be fired or resign they abused their status.If Cele tells us that he did not sanction the raid then i say the man is not fit to lead he should be fired with immediate effect.

  • Slapper - 2011-03-04 13:45

    It will be very interesting to hear his explanation, but I doubt anything will come from it. "The Devil made me do it" is good, also "I don't know what Day it is, let alone know whats going on" But try to be original and dont do a Selebi, otherwise you are gone Bru!

  • emmamimie - 2011-03-04 13:51

    To many Cooks in this Broth, right hand does not know what the left hand is doing?????

      Madelane - 2011-03-04 14:33

      Did you mean to many Crooks in the Broth?

      callan - 2011-03-04 15:03

      No to many Crooks in the Trough....Getting a tad crowded at the feeding place.

      Madelane - 2011-03-04 15:20

      Oh sorry Callan.....broth must have been a Freudian slip

  • Midcorner - 2011-03-04 13:53

    Leaders i vividly agree with all of you and please dont get me wrong by saying that this is not the matter of the movement,this is the matter of the government even though is the government that is governed by the ANC.The government must entervene as he represents the intrest of this country and not the views and the intrest of ANC,After all he doesnt hold any possition in the ranks of ANC and he is also not the NEC member

      clint1980b - 2011-03-04 14:59

      But he is a crony, pal, comrade....

  • steven - 2011-03-04 13:58

    guilty.

  • Francois - 2011-03-04 14:00

    Public Protector Thuli Madonsela, we were under the impression that you are clever. He did it to protect himself - is it not obvious?

  • clint1980b - 2011-03-04 14:00

    ANC = Apartheid's new Champs

      changeisGood - 2011-03-04 14:55

      ANC= ESTATE AGENCY BHEKI CELE= ESTATE AGENT

  • Prof - 2011-03-04 14:02

    the action of envading the office of public protector thuli madonsela was unlawful and the immidiate internal investigation shoul take place. this action by the police commisioner and his friend minister of polic is not the first time we have seen it even with the probe of former police commision Selebi. the president of the contry must start repremind his comrade to what they have been hired to do not to scare people.

  • Blip - 2011-03-04 14:02

    Cele's trying to kid us that one colonel ordered another colonel to search and seize at Madonsela's office. Everyone knows that a colonel can't order another colonel. The only person who can order a colonel to do any job is a higher-ranking officer, like a brigadier or a general.

      George - 2011-03-04 14:11

      but these fools aren't "generals" - they are trumped up self appointed idiots who like to wear shiny badges on their clothing.

  • Andre - 2011-03-04 14:04

    Mark me down as surprised.

      Madelane - 2011-03-04 14:34

      So marked....do you want your mark adjusted?

      Tantrum - 2011-03-04 14:47

      @Madelane - Funny :)

  • TDK1 - 2011-03-04 14:11

    Call those two, not Cele, to explain to the cabinet.

  • Midcorner - 2011-03-04 14:14

    Sure Musa,some people are so fucken stupid and why dont they join those who left us and turn their back by going overseas?

  • Slingervel - 2011-03-04 14:15

    Let's stuff everything up, then we apologise and then everyone should be happy that we have apologised and life is back to normal again! That is the way Zuma, his cronies Cele, Manyi and Malema, and the rest of the scumbags of the ANC operate. This country of ours is in the hands of extremely dangerous people!

      Midcorner - 2011-03-04 14:38

      If you dont trust them then please in the next coming elections,do your self a hugh favour and vote them out and after all we are leaving in the democratic country

  • VuyosWors - 2011-03-04 14:25

    Another reason why I was right to vote no in the 1992 referendum.

  • Madelane - 2011-03-04 14:27

    What is the West Indies and what did they use to destroy Bangladesh.....heavens....where there many casualties and is there anything left of Bangladesh? Worry worry worry

  • Nathi - 2011-03-04 14:36

    There is clarity on who has crossed the line here.If our leadership were not undermining the intelligence of Safricans heads would roll immediately.NPA was to charge the transgressors.Why no action has been taken to those on the other side of the law? If it is because they are power to themselves then they have to be given leave and full investgation begin.

      Tantrum - 2011-03-04 14:46

      Our leadership? Not mine sir ... maybe yours but not mine ...

  • Rajty - 2011-03-04 14:40

    Who syas that it was the police in the first place- they qwere plain clothed and could have faked the police credentials easilly....but as ususal the fickle public jump to conculsions, and the media drive at that instinct to promote their publications....pathetic.

      Madelane - 2011-03-04 14:55

      Oh quite right Rajt....muzzle the press completely which will immeadiately put an end to all corruption and the nonsense reporting from Libya and all the other so called up-rising which we all know are being taken out of context, aside from the sensationalism of the verdict against Shaik with his generally corrupt relationship with JZ...all just sensationalism and the public must go and find these things our for themselves and be there when it happens but then again they may just take the politicians corrupt action out of context and then sensationalise it to their friends.....no heavens....definitely muzzle the press and everyone else in the country.

      callan - 2011-03-04 15:07

      Rajty, they have been named & identified as police officers - nobody disputes that.....lose the conspiracy theory & keep it real mate!

  • theoldmanofthemountains - 2011-03-04 14:51

    Folks, if two officers arrived at the PP's office and asked to see a document that was itself procured from the SAPF (and you can be sure it wasn't the original), then that hardly constitutes a "raid". The quality of the reporting by the SA Press Association is atrocious. We, the gullible public, are lapping up this excuse for news and accepting every sensationalist tit-bit as fact.

      callan - 2011-03-04 15:12

      If Cele himself is apologising & the police themselves are promising an investigation, I hardly think the media is blowing the matter out of proportion?

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-03-04 15:01

    ( ) will happen...

  • gideondurand - 2011-03-04 15:16

    Who will protect the public protector against the public's protector of law and order?

  • onetickie - 2011-03-04 16:03

    Cele in the same rotten basket as the rest and there is nothing we can do. SA is imploding - quickly thanks to the "get rich quick" policy/slogan these politicians have created for themselves and bugger the people.

  • The Monk - 2011-03-05 12:03

    Cele is what Malema will become when hen grows up. Just a mature idiot.

  • Rory - 2011-03-05 12:25

    It must always be remembered that in the ANC, ONE NEVER GETS FIRED FOR CORRUPTION, you just get moved to another Dept, to hopefully learn from your previous mistake, and not get caught again, Viva ANC

  • amabok - 2011-04-21 18:08

    monkey

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