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Church collapse: Picture of chaos emerges

2014-09-21 10:01

Lagos - A picture of confusion and incompetence has emerged following the tragedy that claimed 86 South African lives after a six-storey guesthouse at the Synagogue Church of All Nations (Scoan) in Lagos Nigeria collapsed, reports the Sunday Times.

According to the newspaper, church leader Prophet TB Joshua and Nigerian authorities refused to co-operate fully with rescue attempts following the disaster on Friday 12 September.

Details have now emerged how their lack of co-operation frustrated efforts by South Africa to send in a specialist search and rescue mission.

Relatives and organisations, including the Gift of the Givers, were also barred from searching for survivors. As a result, South Africans lay dying in the rubble, reports the newspaper.

Rescuers lose critical hours

Ibrahim Farinloye, spokesperson for the Nigerian Emergency Management Agency said church officials prevented rescuers from doing their job.

He said rescuers lost the two or three critical hours immediately after the tragedy. This is when most lives are saved.

The newspaper reports that at the same time the South African high commissioner to Lagos, Louis Mnguni, sent a team to the site but was told there were no indications that any South Africans were involved - despite there having been at least 349 on pilgrimage to the church at the time.

By the Saturday, South African diplomats were still hitting a brick wall, even after International Relations Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane intervened.  

Only on Tuesday, as the scale of the devastation emerged, was South Africa allowed access to the site. However, a minor diplomatic row erupted after President Jacob Zuma announced at the time that 67 South Africans were dead. Nigeria claimed the nationality of the victims cannot be confirmed.

President visits site of tragedy

Meanwhile, Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan on Saturday visited the collapsed guesthouse, AFP reported, promising to investigate the cause of the tragedy, rescuers said.

He said Jonathan promised to investigate the cause of the 12 September collapse of the guesthouse at Scoan which left scores trapped in the debris.

Farinloye said the death toll now stood at 86 as against the previous figure of 84 after the various emergency teams involved in the operation had reconciled their figures.

"You are aware that several rescue teams at the state and federal levels were involved in the operations. We sat together and reconciled our figures which has now brought the death toll to 86. But those rescued still stands at 131," he said.

Farinloye could not say if the new death toll included 84 South Africans who had been confirmed dead in the incident by the country's high commissioner to Nigeria Lulu Mnguni.

Joshua a ‘Man of God’

It is believed that there were 349 South Africans visiting the popular church in the Ikotun district of the city at the time of the collapse.

The church's leader Joshua, who has blamed the incident on sabotage, is one of Nigeria's most well-known Pentecostal preachers and is referred to by followers across the world as "The Prophet" or "The Man of God", AFP states.

He claims to work miracles, including raising people from the dead and healing the sick, and foreseeing disasters.

The Lagos state government has accused the church of adding extra floors to the existing structure without approval.

It has ordered urgent structural integrity tests on all buildings in the sprawling compound, including the main church, which Joshua says was designed by the Holy Spirit.

Comments
  • Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 10:10

    Now why couldn't Zuma and all his shielding buddies not have been there on the ground floor planning how to steal more taxpayers money while the Zuma's "negotiated" to get more oilfields for the family using taxpayers money? Is that too much to ask? Guess one could claim that satan looks after his own.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 10:14

      Nail this false profit and then go after the others. Take their taxfree billions and give to charity. List of Christian multi-millionaires- South African’s: Farmer Angus Buchan (Mighty Men) Pastor Ray McCauley (Rhema Church) “Dr” Theo Wolmarans (Christian Family Church) Pastor Andre Roebert (River Church) Pastor Attie Boshoff (Christian Revival Church) Nigerians: Bishop David Oyedepo – Estimated net worth: $150M Pastor Chris Oyakhilome – Estimated net worth: $50M Prophet Temitope Joshua – Estimated net worth: $15M Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo – net worth: $10M Americans: Apostle Kenneth Copeland net worth: net worth $769M Healing Evangelist Benny Hinn: net worth: $42 million. Senior Pastor/Joel Osteen Net Worth: $40 million. Apostle T. D. Jakes Net worth $18 million. Pastor John Hagee net worth: $5 million. Pastor Paula White net worth: $5 million. Pop phycology tele- evangelist Joyce Meyer- net worth $ 100 million Pastor Joseph Prince: $5 million Rev. Creflo Dollar Jr, Dr. Juanita Bynum, Paul Crouch, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Mike Murdock etc…….!

      Andrew Terr - 2014-09-21 10:22

      Adding extra floors?Were they trying to build a Tower of Babel?

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 10:40

      I know some in your list Mr. Freeman. I must however raise a point. Mr. Buchan appeals to me and what he preaches is indeed what I believe is a religion and is what a religion is supposed to be. If he made money I must believe he will do the right thing and if he doesn't then that is between him and the devil. I do believe what he preaches is sorely needed by a fragmented and sometime sick society not to mention a culture that has forgotten where it came from and what is is supposed to be.

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 10:41

      @Dikenke Dipiko: I'm not a boer you twit.

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 11:04

      @Leonardb1 : .. and that is supposed to be a shield!

      Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 11:33

      He! He! He! He! Lol!!!!!

      Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 11:41

      He! He! He! He?- - What a rich Hell of Fire!!!!

      Phil Galpin - 2014-09-21 12:00

      Two quotes come to mind. First 'If god did not exist, man would have needed to invent him' (Roussou?) And ' a fool and their money are easily parted'

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 12:05

      Amoeba, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      dahliakt - 2014-09-21 17:48

      What is Zuma doing here?i smell hatred Mc Apple.may God forgive you...

      Phil Flaan - 2014-09-21 22:50

      Mc Apple Buchan is as big a fraud as is Joshua and all the other pastors , prophets and whatever. Buchan even faked a heart attack to proof how his god can heal but afterwards the doctors could find no sign of the attack. Looking at photos of him at his meetings with his mouth so wide open that you can see yesterday's breakfast give the impression of a mad man.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-22 00:06

      How do we know TB Joshua and others like him are frauds? Easy - take your pick : 1. There is no divine God to heal anyone. 2, There is NO documented proof of permanent divine healings of serious illness. 3. These preachers also go to doctors, dentists, opticians and hospitals when required. 4. They are all multi US Dollar millionaires from tithes and offerings. 5, Jesus, Paul and Christians throughout history have been poor and against “earthly” gain. 6. If God heals today, why don’t they go to the hospitals and empty them? 7. They “set the scene” in their healing crusades and bribe journalists for a good report when found out. 8. People that have been told to forget their pills, needles and treatment die. 9. They never heal people with clearly visible conditions; paralysis, paraplegics, missing limbs, organs etc with reconstructive miracles like ; new spinal cords, new limbs, new eye ball etc 10. They have NEVER raised someone from the dead or given a fulfilled prophecy.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-22 00:12

      Anthony - true. too late for Hubbard, he is dead. These guys are alive and coining it. Tom Cruse and his buddies should be taken on.

      Alfred Karius - 2014-09-22 05:51

      Anyone who follows this self declared 'prophet' who is actually a psychopathic con artist, fleecing the poor, the sick, the desperate, the vulnerable, the uneducated scientific illiterate, the stupid, the gullible and the brainwashed out of hundreds of millions, should be declared too stupid to lead our country.

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-22 07:46

      @Dahlia Tshisumpa Kitenge: Oh you don't have to smell it. I'll put it on paper and sign it. Also no forgiveness is required cause if I'm not mistaken God hates satan as well.

      Charles Jacobs - 2014-09-23 10:44

      you are totally out of order.

  • Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 10:15

    Christianity was born in poverty and it has appealed to poverty stricken people ever since. Paul tells us in 1Cor: “to the present hour we both hunger and thirst and we are poorly clothed and homeless” Some people join the ANC to become rich, others become wealthy by starting Christian charismatic ministries. They know God is poverty stricken so when they need money, you NEVER see them ask God or his Son for money.

      Howard Gambold - 2014-09-21 10:33

      ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT THE PASTORS THEMSELVES ARE WORTH MILLIONS, OR THE CHURCHES THEY REPRESENT.

      Raymond Van Den Brink - 2014-09-21 11:14

      Howard, the pastors. They put a fraction into the church to keep the eye-blind going and the rest into their off-shore bank accounts.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 23:48

      Howard - How old are you?

      Ogone Mitchell - 2014-09-22 21:14

      We need to tax these guys and let them go on with their business. As long as their giving back to society like everybody else then they are allowed to part fools from their money any legal way they can. But i can't stress this enough, the must be progressive tax rates for large religious organizations.

  • Kagiso Booi - 2014-09-21 10:16

    This so called prophet must be hanged!

      Rocky Bell - 2014-09-21 10:30

      Actually known as a Holy Propheteer

  • Foy Vermaak - 2014-09-21 10:17

    This is now a good opportunity for Joshua to show his metal. Heal the injured and resurrect the dead.

      Kagiso Booi - 2014-09-21 10:20

      You can say that again!

      Finesse Manne - 2014-09-21 10:25

      I doubt he will...

      Rocky Bell - 2014-09-21 10:28

      lol.........as with his comment to other South Africans when they visited the fake 'Propheteer to heal their illnesses: "God hasn't given me any guidelines to heal your illness...."

  • Jaco Van Zyl - 2014-09-21 10:18

    How come he couldn't 'see' the disaster @ his guest house?

      Rocky Bell - 2014-09-21 10:20

      .....because he is a fake!!

      Jon Hing - 2014-09-21 12:54

      No more magician tricks and stage acting. His bluff has been called

  • kevin.powels - 2014-09-21 10:20

    Even the reporter is confused that is sure as hell not a chainsaw

      Blane Blandon - 2014-09-21 10:50

      Looks like a petrol driven angle grinder

  • Viman Singh - 2014-09-21 10:22

    If this guy is a false prophet, he will br going to hell.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 23:51

      There is no hell. or heaven , or God. If there were there would be proof, there is none. And that is all the proof you need.

  • Galagale Ramushu - 2014-09-21 10:22

    where was dat joshua when da building collapsed? nkabe e mokgatle rete le le yena

  • Lawrence Robert Atkinson - 2014-09-21 10:28

    Designed and engineered on a napkin while drinking Johnny Blue.

  • Lerato Marule - 2014-09-21 10:28

    Only idiots will go to that church in nigeria again (TB)tuberculosis joshua fake prophet @ badluck jonathan bokoharam president

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 23:53

      Those Churches are all over South Africa as well.

  • Everton Bouwer - 2014-09-21 10:35

    What type of church deliberately tries to prevent search & rescue teams from saving peoples lives?!did they want those people to die?reconcile yourselves with the fact that tb joshua will face no consequences from nigerian authorities on this matter.none whatsoever.there,he is too big to take down.our dead citizens will receive no justice from nigeria.tb josua should be banned from entering south africa,just like he is in ghana.at the very least,if he ever sets foot here,he must be arrested and charged with the deaths of 84 south africans.blaming such a catastrophe on a little plane.the audacity of this man!

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 23:55

      A fraudulent Church.

  • Aubrey Zanele - 2014-09-21 10:37

    Look at PRETORIA CBD its full of NIGERIAN CHURCHES. I think the main aim of this churches is to SCOUT the middle class SOUTH AFRICANS to go TP JOSHUA in NIGERIA. Its a SCAM. Most of the PEOPLE who died in NIGERIA if you can investigate, its people who has profession well educated. And occupying top position at the companies or GOVT dept. Wat soek hulle daar?

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 10:49

      It is called tax evasion.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 23:55

      Also full of American Churches

      Slo-earthqueke Gumede - 2014-09-22 20:26

      khuluma into ongayazi wena,,,Baningi kabi abantu abahamba beye emasontweni angaphandle komzanzi....uma ungakholelwa kuTB Joshua ujamu wakho lowo...mina sengaya kaningi khona ayikho indawo enjengaleyana...ngaphakathi esonto...mmmm

  • JonasBarbarossa - 2014-09-21 10:39

    Maybe they were waiting for their prayers to work

  • Nasreen Ebrahim - 2014-09-21 10:40

    He claims to work miracles, including raising people from the dead and healing the sick, and foreseeing disasters. SOOO WHY DIDNT HE FORESEE THIS and don't his GULLABLE 'FOLLOWERS' notice this #just saying#

      Tintswalo Shiburi - 2014-09-21 11:14

      May our lord almighty take control of the situation,god is able and I knw he will take control of this situation

      Goeie Donner - 2014-09-21 12:04

      At what point is he going to take control? When a few more of his gullible followers die? Lol, wake up and smell the coffee will ya?

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 23:56

      Because he is a fraud.

  • Ziyaad Byat - 2014-09-21 10:48

    Why has the comments on the Johannesburg water article been closed for further comment. I think the Water Crisis we are currently experiencing in Johannesburg is more news worthy at this point! no water for over 24 hours now and some areas a few days!!!

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 11:03

      HA! Armature. Where I come from being without water for 3 days is pretty average. Was without water for 9 days once. You want to see proper educated grown men become barbarians at the local Oasis outlet you should try it. Oh and as a perk, the water mostly sells of fish and is only good as a laxative. Electricity is pretty much the same. Also note that I live in the "upper class" part of town. In the old days the girls would look at your car and then decide to date you or not. Today it is the size of your generator and jojo tank that clinches the deal.

      Ziyaad Byat - 2014-09-21 11:10

      But this is not the "pretty average" that I am used to. This is Johannesburg after all! the economic hub of South Africa, and we don't expect not to have water, not even for 1 hour!

      Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 11:15

      Mr Mc Apple are you from the Oasis on the moon or Mars? The place you speak of, seems is quite primitive although the man is as well educated as you mentioned?

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 11:30

      @Drick Zaal: No Drick, not primitive at all and it wasn't like this before. P.S. Oasis as in: fill up your 2 25 liter cans with drinkable water for the next week Oasis. Not the moon. The moon would probably be in better working condition. Tell me Derick, ever stood in a line of about 50 people at Oasis and hear the words, no more water and as far as you knew that was the last Oasis that actually had water in town? You think this little society of ours is stable? What would you do if you had a baby at home and there was no water? I don't think you even realize what that feels like and what you would do or pay for water. @Ziyaad Byat: Like I said it wasn't like this before and given the trends of things to come one can expect the same degradation and failing infrastructure to follow to "major" cities given time. Simple mathematics, rate payers are getting less, masses demanding everything for free is getting more and less money is spend where it is actually needed. On top of that there is no Pedi word for maintenance.

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 11:34

      P.S. All hail jojo, petrol generators, camping lights, stainless steal braai's and Cadac!

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 12:11

      @Phemelo Lesego: You don't like the truth or you just like to hear the truth? If someone told me 20 years ago I would buy my water and drink it out of a plastic can I would have slapped him one, told him that it could not possibly happen and to get a brain. Who knew. A few things I though was impossible by normal standards but I was proven wrong ... by other standards.

      Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 12:52

      Mr Mc Apple it is quite scary as you purported. Tell me an Oasis is underground water if I'm not mistaken. So is/was three no drilling machines to drill for underground holes in the near vicinity?

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 13:17

      Zaal, Oasis? I'm going to assume you are from Pretoria, Jo'burg or the Western Cape and leave it there but you are right. We think we are all ok, we are civilized and can "handle it". When something as simple a flushing a toilet demands "thinking it through". When taking a bath is out of the question and you preserve every drop of water. After that 9 day experience I'm not so sure that we can "handle it". Sounds like a movie I know. Can you imagine if something like that happens in Jo'burg for two weeks? Without electricity it is fine, that we have learned but without water, I have seen the edge of that. I tell you now, you will kill or get killed for a 500ml bottle of water. What we think we have is so fragile. Scary isn't the word I'd use.

  • Dakalo Ntsandeni - 2014-09-21 10:50

    Not suprised at all, People in central Africa don't value human life!!!!

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 11:48

      Uhm, I hate to point this out but more people die in peaceful South Africa every day due to murder than in war torn countries. A lot of people also think that this is an under representation of the realities in South Africa so perhaps you should remove the word "central" out of your statement.

  • Sammy Manamela - 2014-09-21 10:53

    Gud question Aubrey zanele

  • Peace Nkechi Andy - 2014-09-21 10:55

    may God see his servant through cos he did nt call him self bt Almighty God choosed him and has been using him to save souls

  • Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 10:59

    We, nou got an indication why Boko Haram wants to destroy that government. They are arrogant. The same with the abduction with the girls, when the bragged about they know were the girls a kept and there army gone rescue them. Where is the girl now. They are a lot of big mouth. All they can do is scam and boast.

  • Celestene Bosch - 2014-09-21 11:00

    TB Joshua is mocking GOD. False prophet. Only in it for the money..... As most churches are.

  • Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 11:01

    We, nou got an indication why Boko Haram wants to destroy that government. They are arrogant. The same with the abduction with the girls, when the bragged about they knew were the girls are kept, and that their army is gone rescue them. Where is the girl now? They are a lot of big mouth. All they can do is scam and boast and brag.

  • Anastasia Minsk - 2014-09-21 11:01

    So when is Tuberculoses Joshua going to release the security footage of the alien spaceship that beamed out the foundation of his church?

  • Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 11:02

    We, nou got an indication why Boko Haram wants to destroy that government. They are arrogant. The same with the abduction with the girls, when the bragged about they knew were the girls are kept, and that their army is gone rescue them. Where is the girl now? They are a lot of big mouth. All they can do is scam and boast and brag.

  • Spartacus - 2014-09-21 11:06

    if they went to Lagos for a cure this must have helped.

  • James Ndamba - 2014-09-21 11:08

    Even after this has exposed this fake prophet,people will still flock there.

      Mirnix Dirnix - 2014-09-21 12:16

      Bad advertising is better and cheaper.Most of the times it helps!!!!

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-21 23:59

      Most people are gullible and when desperate they will believe anyone. Just look at Malema, Zuma and Mugabe supporters. They are all rich just like TB Joshua yet people still don't get it.

  • Rudzani Culture Mudau - 2014-09-21 11:09

    That false prophet Killed our People in the name of Jesus.

  • blade.runner.5817 - 2014-09-21 11:10

    Miracles? Could have foreseen the collapse. Con artist and preaches blasphemy. Only one God and he isnt in nigeria. What a trash heap

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-22 00:23

      there is no God because if there was one this tragedy would have never happened.

  • Peter Mokoena - 2014-09-21 11:13

    Design by the holy spirit for the structure that end up collapsing and killing peoeple?? Wow..

  • Jimmy Harold Fienies - 2014-09-21 11:21

    He surely should delayed the rescue efforts, because there were still money inside the building and needed to be retained first before the rescuers got their hands on it. No surprise.

  • Grant Hedges - 2014-09-21 11:21

    All the same these pricks Benny Hinn Creepy Ray, Angus Buchan, Joshua good at stealing peoples money and nothing else. Could'nt heal a pimple on a pigs butt.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-22 00:24

      My TV remote has more power than God.

  • Nelius Becker - 2014-09-21 11:29

    Greed, and stupid desperate puppets believing everything they hear......just another Nigerian scam.

      Thomas Freeman - 2014-09-22 00:01

      Yep, ANC and the EFF are also a scam and so are most charismatic Churches in SA.

  • Mirnix Dirnix - 2014-09-21 11:31

    Let some time pass, did this building come down by it's own??? That tiny aircraft was a distraction !!! watch that video again..... Building came down pretty neat, didn't it? As I said, let time pass and watch the space! P.S. was this building insured? Why could no helpers get to the site immediately? Condolences to the families involved!

  • Tumi Motlatla - 2014-09-21 11:40

    I know our country is not perfect but as for people leaving it for a capital city of fraudsters, con-artists, contraband dealers is total stupidity.

  • Abdullahi Ali Hassan - 2014-09-21 11:43

    My heartfelt condolences go out to the families of the deceased. However, one should ask why some people travel to far places like West Africa just to worship when they can find places of worship and religious assistance at local level. are they not aware of that local is lekker?

      Henrie Hendrie - 2014-09-21 11:59

      There is much sense in what you are talking about.

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 12:01

      @Phemelo Lesego: WHAT! You remind me of an old Afrikaans saying: "As jy besluit om eendag êrens te kom, hoop ons almal jy kom net by".

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 13:20

      @Axolile Gcwanini Wasa: That is a simple one. You look at them like you look at me and him and me, we want the same thing but you, you want it by force, by law and for free.

      Vusile Mathebula - 2014-09-21 23:07

      why left Europe to Africa? Why leave South Africa to study elsewhere? some of the questions leaves much to be desired. Most of those who are so racist in their nature their origins are not African. Africa is one, divided by colonialism since the Berlin conference.

  • Diratsahae Mokone - 2014-09-21 11:47

    DoctorAnita Jebel wow! And you should know probably that he cures Aids, TB and cancer. How sad!!!

      No Sugarcoating - 2014-09-21 12:26

      @ Dirasahae, he also claims to be able to raise the dead, therefore all the deaths should cleared within a week. We wait in anticipation for the death toll to be reduced daily, until all the dead stand before us in perfect health.

  • Wayne Lombard - 2014-09-21 11:50

    You are beyond stupid ... Stupid is a compliment to some one like you..

  • Joumase Kolpak - 2014-09-21 11:51

    Pleas stop white genocide ... Ffs man

      Gabriel Mgb Mgb - 2014-09-21 12:59

      guzs lets pry for the our prophet and stop jadgeing him .i will pry for you postor.

  • Diratsahae Mokone - 2014-09-21 11:51

    bignews.bloody..... we talk as south africans. Our people, who are trapped by these delusions they have, need saving from con artists and charlatans like this random niger pastor

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 12:03

      .. and ANC politicians. Come to think of it that could possibly be all "politicians, lawyers, bankers, medical aid telemarketers and life insurance salesmen".

  • Bongani Mthembu - 2014-09-21 12:07

    Now TB Joshua, wake all the 86 dead South Africans while the world is watching... if you do, I will be in your church first thing tomorrow but until then, you have used God's name falsely and we have seen it.

      No Sugarcoating - 2014-09-21 12:23

      Correct, he claims to be able to raise the dead, therefore all the deaths should cleared within a week. We wait in anticipation for the death toll to be reduced daily.

  • No Sugarcoating - 2014-09-21 12:20

    Spare a thought for those who started digging, looking for survivors, with all the controversy these rescuers hard work will be forgotten.

  • Milton Chinogwenya - 2014-09-21 12:28

    they travelled thousand miles looking for life but came back lifeless.

  • Malose-Nyatlo - 2014-09-21 12:30

    Surely TB Joshua needs some whiskey to see him through this mess. I have never heard of the madness of Holy Spirits designing buildings. How different is this from another country where the site of parliament is pointed out by a Sangoma?

  • Nicola Red - 2014-09-21 12:30

    A man of God please more love of mammon. A man of God act difettetly nothing to hide. Will he and his accomplish removed ..............

      No Sugarcoating - 2014-09-21 12:41

      Huh?

  • Nathi Zondo - 2014-09-21 12:31

    I knew some idiot would talk about Zuma. So I ask myself; what the hell does Zuma have to do with anything?

      No Sugarcoating - 2014-09-21 12:39

      He was not there, therefore you are correct - that is the problem, most of us say he should have been there, preferably under the pile of rubble.

      Mc Apple - 2014-09-21 12:51

      We all know he wasn't there, the question is, why wasn't he. If there was any justice in this world that would be a fair question.

  • Hauke Liefferink - 2014-09-21 12:56

    Holy Spirit designed this deathtrap then. People praying to Holy Spirit are thus asking for death!

      Johan van Wyk - 2014-09-21 13:31

      How do you ask for death?

      Bruce Bennett - 2014-09-21 13:49

      Some god that allows this to happen. Must be incompetent as a god or might just not exist

  • Khuliso Mutsha - 2014-09-21 13:07

    People are running after instant success and miracles, its sad that some left God from their own churches to go meet the Devil in Nigeria called 'Holy water on sale for R500.

      Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 14:09

      Hhuuuhh??????

  • kagisho.p.segami - 2014-09-21 13:18

    False prophets..

  • Aubrey Zanele - 2014-09-21 13:20

    TB Joshua is lucky because those 86 SOUTH AFRICANS who died at his church were not AMERICANS. If they were Americans, USA could have sent a DRONE straight away to kill him.

  • Alfred Nazareth Willie - 2014-09-21 13:46

    I want to believe that the people of south africa are judge-mental and thinking they are the only people in africa who are better than any other people across the african continent. South africans pretend to be better than nigerians, that's the reason why they do not want to believe anything said by the church regarding the suspicious plane instead blame poor building as they are the only one who can build the most professional safe houses in africa. They are busy to jump to judge that tb joshua is a false prophet but they will never give the true prophet. They blamed mboro as a rapist prophet but never give us a real true prophet from god. People have seen wonders performed by the man of god tb joshua and they were amazed with diferent miracles some of them received by just touching the screen of their tvs , that created hatred and anger to the south africans that a nigerian can do that kind of things and people do believe and follow . It suppose to be their corruption attitude which leave many under the yoke of poverty and others enjoy freedom in the expense of others. You would see and would never like what tb joshua is doing when it comes to take care for the poor. Emmanuel !!!

  • Mthokozisi Sihiya - 2014-09-21 13:51

    If I have to pay a poor Niger like TB Joker/Joshua for giving me a dirty water, I would regard myself as a brain death.

      Drick Zaal - 2014-09-21 14:02

      He! He! He! He!!!@@@@@@!?/

      Lefa Mokoena - 2014-09-21 15:44

      Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. So I guess you should get down on your knees & ask for forgiveness or else your bacon will fry in a lake of fire. Bwahahahahahahahaha………………