Compulsory community service for vets

2011-09-08 14:12

Cape Town - Cabinet has approved draft legislation making it compulsory for newly qualified veterinarians to perform community service.

The draft veterinary and para-veterinary amendment bill was approved on Wednesday, government spokesperson Jimmy Manyi said on Thursday.

"This will help to address the shortage of veterinarians throughout the country, and more specifically the shortage in rural areas," he told a media briefing following Cabinet's regular fortnightly meeting.

  • Really - 2011-09-08 14:35

    More qualified people are going to leave.

      Nikelle - 2011-09-08 14:53

      I Think this is a good idea .... in my oppinion all people should be forced to do community service from accountants to doctor , dentists ect . Its about a sence of comunity also it gives work experience and is another for of education ( Look at how our country is falling apart because of people who have jobs they are not qualifed.)

      Beannie - 2011-09-08 15:07

      Not so easy. Western countries are very strict and the newly qualified vets if they did leave, would be forced to do a couple of years internship before they could practice independently.

      Baddy - 2011-09-08 15:08

      My sister is almost done with her studies. Then she will have to go and do this :(

      Dr B - 2011-09-08 15:34

      most vets leave for england in any case, and most of them come back after a couple of years. i think it's a good idea, as long as the vets can do something useful. don't seem to hear too many of the doctors complaining about community service anymore - it seems to actually be good experience gained

      Megan - 2011-09-08 15:51

      I think if there was a system in place to allow for those who have to do community service to still be able to draw a liveable salary while doing it then I think Nikelle is right. Why don't all professions require some amount of community service time once they have qualified. I understand the logistical nightmare this could cause as in some cases it would mean having to pack up your life and move to a strange place for something that you know is only going to be temporary. I know a lot of people can't afford to do that but it's the perfect way to obtain experience in the field you have chosen and I can see how it would benefit communities on a whole. But you can't just be expected to give without getting anything in return and this could only work if it was made affordable. Also, on a side note, Really... why would this cause qualified people to leave? Doctors, for example, always leave AFTER their community service rotations are completed...

      Mswati - 2011-09-08 15:52

      Think before you write really, please apply your mind to all the articles you comment on, you really show you tupidity.

      Jimm636 - 2011-09-08 15:56

      yup. they are going to leave. but the main question is, if you personally pay for your own studies, why should you be forced to do community service? if you have been funded by education schemes, student funding from university etc, then you owe the system either the money or the time.

      RugbyPrinses - 2011-09-08 16:08

      @Jimmy636: Even though you pay your own studies by not getting a loan etc, the state fund around 2/3s of our studies, without us even knowing.

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-09-08 19:20

      But Jimmy is dof

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-09-08 19:20

      But Jimmy is dof

      Warslat - 2011-09-08 21:44

      Why aren't politicians forced to do community service...probably cos they'd screw up even the most trivial jobs, expect a massive salary and some kickbacks..err I mean favours between friends

      DoublySalmon - 2011-09-08 21:48

      If professionals who pay much more tax than the average South Africa have to do community service, why don't we expect the same from the ordinary matric also? Will the community help pay study loans? My parents were high earners all their life, their taxes paid the government subsidy to the varsity I attended, I studied with a student loan. Why do I have to incur even more debt so people can leach from me? If I were to work for the government doing community service I'd have left after graduation and wouldn't have first paid off my debts.

  • Reader - 2011-09-08 14:36

    I hope this will pave the way for other occupations to follow! Why not the same for engineers, accountants etc.?

      umlaut - 2011-09-08 15:06

      Yes and ministers also giving free service going around showing everybody how to be corrupt and make lots of money as to get out of poverty. What a disgrace--they steal such a lot, now they want to steal from students who must get into the earning zone as to pay off debt etc. after years of studying. This could be their practical years but then they get nothing for it (or do they?) Now they can't choose where they want to go. If they pay them very well with the money that they normally steal, then there is hope, but will they get the right experience.??

  • parkavenue - 2011-09-08 14:42

    If they cover the varsity costs this might have merit (although,ultimately the money comes from Joe Public and not "The Government" as the great unwashed are led to believe.Otherwise, get screwed.

  • Zwai - 2011-09-08 14:42

    Good...Brakpan needs all the helps they can get

  • ratladykzn - 2011-09-08 14:47

    This is a wonderful idea, the non profit animal rescue organisations will benifit and more rural clinics will be set up to take care of and spay and neuter dogs in the rural area. Not only will the animals benifit but so will the new vets as they will get loads of experience.

      Tertia - 2011-09-08 15:40

      UP's Onderstepoort facility does have a system in place where the students goes out to the rural areas and townships with a mobile clinic to assist the owners as far as possible. However, spaying and neutering cannot be done in a mobile clinic as they need sterile conditions to do this. The students also have scheduled compulsary periods of service at SPCAs and registered vets during their training period. Their training doesnt only involve lectures either as they do long hours ie at least 9 hr shifts of daily practicals at Onderstepoort - off course there is no compensation financially as this is all part of their training. This also include weekends.

  • HowardX - 2011-09-08 14:57

    Fantastic. And now all the vets will emigrate the day they graduate. History shows that social engineering like this always backfires and forcing people to do something against their will is an immature simplistic response. Rather create a compelling reason why vets should do community service - offer a reduction in student loan repayments, medals, an honorary additional degree - the carrot always works better than the stick in the long run.

      betweenu&me - 2011-09-08 15:44

      A compelling reason to do community service: for the good of the animals and to get experience. Sounds good to me...

      Robert - 2011-09-08 15:45

      Howardx i agree with every word you sent.give an incentive & get results.

      InternetMan - 2011-09-08 16:08

      Comment of the year. It seems so simple to me, yet governments the world over get it wrong over and over again. Infinity internets to you, sir.

      Bianca - 2011-09-08 17:34

      Don't worry Howard, it doesnt work that way. I'm a Vet student, and we have already been briefed on this point. Basically, to work as a vet you have to be a member of the veterinary council. Every country has it's own council, and before you can join a new country's council you have to receive a letter of good standing from your own countries council, otherwise you will not be licensed to practic. So if I wanted to go work in England for eg, the RSA vet council would have to write a letter of good standing to the England vet council in order for me to legally be allowed to practive in England. However, the RSA vet council has already told us that we won't get the letter if we don't do the community service. So theres no ducking out of it really.

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-08 15:00

    I see Jimmy Manyi is doing some work for a change. About the article the apprentice system should NEVER have been abolished in the first place. There are too many "qualified" people out there who have never had hands-on experience with the basics. Everyone wants to leave Varsity and walk into fat salary, company car, company house etc. Someone actually needs to do the work and if they have never done the work the end result can be pretty shocking!

  • Playnice - 2011-09-08 15:00

    The Government needs more doctors to get their comrads out of jail on a "terminally ill" passport.

  • Hectic - 2011-09-08 15:18

    Brilliant idea!

  • Happygas - 2011-09-08 15:25

    Compulsory community service :gov should pay for education then demand free service.they should not demand a free service if the have not paid for it,that is robbery

      brok3news - 2011-09-08 15:50

      More than half of medical study costs are subsidised you chop. They must cough up community service.

      IMO - 2011-09-08 16:44

      And those in the medical profession? They also pay for their own fees and have a compulsory community service. All South Africans are subsidised - International students pay double/triple the fees.

      Happygas - 2011-09-08 22:00

      my humble apologies

  • Serias - 2011-09-08 15:35

    Thought they were already doing it, see a lot of them practising on humans in state hospitals.....:).

      Theresa - 2011-09-08 15:59

      Those aren't vets...they're butchers...:)

      Jamie - 2011-09-08 16:09

      Vets are far superior to Doctors. Doctors make a diagnosis based on what you tell them, Vets have to work out the problem from the symptoms - a far better practice. I'd much rather have a Vet working out what's wrong than a Doctor.

      George - 2011-11-19 15:06

      They have not been vetted yet

  • FutureVet - 2011-09-08 15:45

    As a current vet student I understand both sides of the story. Yes, it's not great to be forced to do something, especially seeing as tuition was not subsidised by the government (it's probably one of the more expensive courses you can study)however, it is a guaranteed job for a year & will provide us with experience so that when we do enter whichever industry we wish to, we will be more confident on our skills & abilities.

      Theresa - 2011-09-08 15:57

      Your positive attitude will get you far in life.Good for you!

      thebadger - 2011-09-08 19:12

      @Mswati-Yes, you are right that vet science is subsidized by the government, but it is still one of the most expensive courses in the country...even after being subsidized. And judging by most of your pessimistic comments on everyone else's comments, "futurevet" might one day be a crap vet but at least he will get somewhere with a positive attitude, compared to your "crap" (quoting you) attitude!!

  • Edith1969 - 2011-09-08 15:53

    You get "community service" for doing something illegal. I don't get why people who have studied hard and paid a fortune for tuition get punished? Please explain? If they want to do "charity" work it should be their choice. It is nonsense forcing people to do this!

  • L-H - 2011-09-08 15:54

    Unless graduates can choose where they want to work, I think this is a terrible idea. There is no way I would be happy with my children being sent to work in a poor area, when there is no guarantee of their safety.

      InternetMan - 2011-09-08 16:11

      LOL poor = unsafe? Get off your high horse you're going to catch a cold.

      IMO - 2011-09-09 00:26

      How is a vet working in a rural area different to a medical professional working in a rural area? Do you also have the same opinion of your child intending to study to be a doctor/nurse/physio/OT/dietician?

  • kingkong - 2011-09-08 16:16

    if the goverment help pay off hi/her study loan than its justified but otherwise no what are they suppose to tend to the dogs in sqautter camps and in rural farm area;s run children run take your degree and run far far away the ruling elite has lost the plot completelty

  • Deeteem - 2011-09-08 16:18

    More importantly .... BRING BACK MILITARY CONSCRIPTION !!

      Serias - 2011-09-09 13:56

      you cannot, the military in its current form is already just another social welfare outlet to give old,overweight and sick people a "job".

  • IMO - 2011-09-08 16:36

    I do believe new graduates should be doing community service to uplift the country and gain experience outside of the classroom. However, I would like to know what the work involves and exactly how the students will be sent to different places. Medical doctors will work in a clinical situation in state hospitals as a doctor. Veterinarians are trained to be more than just animal doctors, doing sterilizations and vaccinations - their work covers anything from quarantine to meat inspections at abattoirs and human public health. Experience in a lab testing blood samples will not help much if you want a career in the racehorse industry. Some details would be helpful.

  • Bianca - 2011-09-08 17:43

    As a Vet student I agree with what "Future Vet" said. I think it just depends on where you get placed. When we were addressed on the subject (its been in the planning stages for years now, so every now and then they give us an update on how things are moving along) it was mentioned that we may be placed running test samples in labs. This is something that we are not trained for, and there is a seperate field of workers doing this sort of work, the lab technitians and bio-chemistry fields. So I don't quite understand why they want us to do it. Being placed in a abattoir for a year - not my idea of a fun time but its something I would be willing to do if the government asked me to. The other fields of work: rural practice or border controll is pretty much in line with the sort of work most of us want to do anyway (in terms of seeing sick animals and treating them) so thats fine. As Future Vet said, its a year of gaining experience and building confidence. Currently there are more people applying to become vets every year than what the university can accept, so I don't think people should worry about this deterring people from wanting to study Vet. In the initial stages things will be wobbly, but 10 years down the line this will be as accepted as the community service the medical professionals have to do, and having to do one year for zuma (or whoever the president will be in 10 years time) doesn't deter anyone from studying medicine now.

  • Verdade - 2011-09-08 20:22

    Maybe a good thing they can start by treating the savage tree swinging youth league!

  • ES - 2011-09-09 01:37

    Community service for Graduated Medical Students, Physiotherapists and Occupational therapists is compulsary and has been in place for a couple of years. If this Community year is not completed they are not allowed to practice in South Africa but are able to practice internationally. I fully endorce this practice as it's effects definately impacts in bringing expertise to the rural parts of South Africa. However, while these Com Serve professionals do get paid during this this year I think it would be fair for the goverment to pay for their "uproot" expences as this seems to be left to to the parents to "cough up "at great expense. I also think that this should be made compulsory for all graduating teachers and any professions that can make a difference in the rural areas.

  • Realist - 2011-09-09 07:20

    What happened for Freedom to Work in any job anywhere one chooses. This is just like SLAVERY. How can the ANC Regime force persons those perants paid out of their own pocket for the studies to then have their children forced into community service. Will all the foreign students also be forced as part of their course complete a community service in SA. Afterall the foreign students studies are "Subsidised" via the Tax Payers. The ANC FREEDOM CHARTER states... "People shall not be robbed of their cattle, and forced labour and farm prisons shall be abolished." So the ANC Regime fails to abide by its own charter and implements forced labour. That is what community service is, it is a form of FORCED LABOUR.

  • Michelle - 2011-11-10 10:53

    Wow, people need to get their facts straight before commenting! They will receive a salary! a very nice salary in fact.. the same salary they would receive in their first year out in private practice. Everyone moans about the government not doing enough to help fight poverty in rural areas and now they have finally come up with a good solution and everyone still moans. There is a shortage of farm vets and vets willing to work in rural areas.. this community service means that there will be an extra 140 vets that will be focused mainly on this! Plus they will be receiving a really nice salary each month and gaining experience that they would learn no where else. Obviously this all depends on how the community service is run, where they will be placed, the equipment that they have at their disposal and the mentors they will be working under. All in all it is a really good idea and I think the Veterinary proffession will benefit form it.

      George - 2011-11-19 15:08

      But you are missing the point. The question to ask is WHY is there a shortage not and not pre 94.

  • Faizie - 2011-11-19 17:19

    And Lawyers next please

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