Cops mum on alleged fleeing Lonmin workers

2012-08-27 07:23

Johannesburg - Police would not comment on Monday morning regarding reported allegations that workers killed during the Marikana shooting were fleeing from police.

"We cannot comment until the outcome of the commission of inquiry. We have to respect the process," said Captain Dennis Adriao.

Independent Police Investigative Directorate spokesperson Moses Dlamini was not immediately available for comment.

The Star newspaper reported on Monday that post-mortem results from the shooting on August 16 where 34 miners were killed indicated workers were fleeing police, with many miners shot in the back.

An unnamed source close to the investigation reportedly told the newspaper: "The post-mortem reports indicate that most of the people were fleeing from the police when they got killed."

"A lot of them were shot in the back and the bullets exited through their chests," the newspaper quoted an unnamed source saying.

This was in contrast to statements made by national police commissioner General Riah Phiyega a day after the shooting.

Phiyega said she stood by police and had issued an order to use live ammunition because she had been told police had come under attack from miners.

On Thursday, President Jacob Zuma announced that retired Supreme Court Judge Ian Farlam would chair the commission. He will be joined by senior advocates Bantubonke Tokota and Pingla Hemraj.

The commission will have the power to enter and search premises, secure the attendance of witnesses, and compel the production of documents.

Where appropriate, it will refer any matter for prosecution, further investigation, or the convening of a separate inquiry to the appropriate law enforcement agency, government department or regulator.

  • jaap.kotze - 2012-08-27 07:31

    Sure some were shot in the back. How else if some attacked, and others fled at the same time?

      malose.lekalakala - 2012-08-27 07:57

      They are trained policemen, so I suppose they aim before the shoot.

      Hugh - 2012-08-27 08:07

      @ Malose, We already know that the police are not competent handling a firearm. More than fifty percent at last report should not have a firearm. Most could not hit a barn door a fifty feet. Any bet that the were aiming for an attacker but the the guy running away.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-27 08:08

      well the video shows hundreds of workers charging the police, then 2 shots were fired by the workers at the police, then the police returned fire at the still charging armed workers, does it matter which part of their bodies were hit, they were attacking violently with intent to kill, its on the the video, end of investigation.

      Stormkaap - 2012-08-27 10:47

      Malose... I'd to see u in a chaotic situation and you being attacked.

      thomas.mazibisa - 2012-08-27 16:24

      or it could be that they were shot by their own colleagues

  • gerhardus.windpomp - 2012-08-27 07:33

    That is what happens when politicians try to run a police service.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-27 07:34

    The radio news reported that a mere 4 had been shot in the back. Now naturally a few who thought they where barve until the bullets started flying would turn and run in terror. They would then obviously be hit in the back in the hail of gun fire.

      justin.massyn - 2012-08-27 07:40

      100% And of course the various footage taken of the incident were modified to show them running towards the cops. What a load of bollocks.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-27 07:38

    The accusers have shown their mindless brain power. If there is shooting and you run away it will be natural that you can be shot in the back. Moral of the story is you don't go with knives to pick a fight with the gun club

  • lyn.ward.73 - 2012-08-27 07:40

    Obviously when you see the front runner going down cos of the hail of bullets, your natural instinct would be to run!

  • herman.heil - 2012-08-27 07:40

    They were from the back by their own brothers storming the police........

  • zip.reeper - 2012-08-27 07:43

    the farce continues. like the nationalists, zuma sweeps the whole marikana saga under the carpet by appointing a commission that will report back in FOUR months. how slow can a judge be? then zuma will refuse to release the report and the whole marikana issue will fade away, by then already overtaken by more grave developments afflicting the country under anc rule. what is bizarre is that the media don't highlight these farcical aspects. one dumb newspaper even said: give the commission time to do its job. ha ha. has one newspaper questioned yet whether the commission's proceedings will be open to the public? naw. of course the miners were shot in the back. cops love to shoot people.

  • joahan.smal - 2012-08-27 07:45

    Fact is that these 'miners' were high on the sangoma's muti believing that they would be invincible. I am sure they did not storm the police to greet them with a kiss. If you want to live by the sword, don't complain when you get your @rse kicked.

      judith.o.stanbridge - 2012-08-27 09:44

      This is so true joahan.smal they get all hyped about something don't think for themselfs or look at the facts then they get what they handed out and they then don't understand why it happens. \r\nSureley they have only themself to blame.

  • malose.lekalakala - 2012-08-27 07:58

    I thought our police force is trained to shoot moving targets.

      Stormkaap - 2012-08-27 10:48

      And didnt they, The okes were running towards the ciops in the footage i saw..

  • mfundo.magwaza.77 - 2012-08-27 08:00

    Those that have two eyes have surely seen in the footage that these miners were fleeing after being teagased while the police opened fire with automatic R5s..They should all face murder charges!..oh and News24, you need to stop deleting my comments! We cannot have a fair debate if you become selective on comments! Any comment that speaks against the status quo is deleted, is that where we're heading as a country?? How can this be a fair debate if we all agree with the status quo and your one sided reporting?? Is that the kind of democracy you and DA have in mind??

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-27 08:06

      That is a matter of debate. My two eyes work perfectly fine but I didn't see them fleeing. Looked more like they. Were charging to me. I do however agree that news 24 needs. To stop its crap by deleting all comments that they don't seem tto agree with.

      berthram - 2012-08-27 08:16

      And surely the protesters who hacked those police men to death are innocent right? They were doing it out of self defense, right?

  • punungwe - 2012-08-27 08:02

    That the police needed to use live ammunition is not in any doubt. They were being charged by a group of sangoma believers and their (the police's) lives were in clear and imminent danger. The only thing we can go into semantics about is when the police should have stopped shooting. It is reported that the gunfire went on for three minutes. When did it become clear to the police that the charging mob was now retreating? Bear also in mind that the gunfire kicked up a lot of dust. Therefore the police could also have failed to clearly see that the workers were now retreating. It seems the politicians are doing their best to pin the blame on the police. The police were doing their mandated job under very difficult and dangerous conditions. You cannot blame them for doing their job. If the politicians want to insist it's the police's fault then they are being as truthful and logical as the sangoma involved in the saga. Anyway the level of truthfulness of sangomas and politicians is not very different.

      Hugh - 2012-08-27 08:11

      Quite right We must not forget that when two of your own were hacked to death by the rioters you do not take chances a second time round.

      judith.o.stanbridge - 2012-08-27 09:25

      Well u see it works like this the sangoma promice them they going to be invisible and they were they could not been seen thru the dust. So the police did not see them that is why they got shot. It's all to blame on Invisibility . \r\nThey were also told not to kill the rabbit but they did not obey. Then the rabits and his ansisters took revenge and protect the police. \r\nTo punich them for their disobedience now they must still learn to take responsibility for their actions. \r\nMaybe Nanny mac Fee can help here !!!!!

  • mike.dufham.7 - 2012-08-27 08:02

    Going to ask my dog if he also has anythingto add regarding this matter

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-08-27 08:24

      My dog wants to know if the commission is also going to investigate the killing of the rabbit? (News24 Saturday)

      judith.o.stanbridge - 2012-08-27 09:34

      Your dog is quite rite there should be something done about cruelty towards animals been killed for rituals by sangomas for muti !!!! I hope animal rites groups realise how stressed that poor rabit was on that hill. !!!

  • Donald Dee Mahlase - 2012-08-27 08:06

    pointing fingers at the police or the sangoma is the most stupid thing to do. the police given an order to shoot but the order to remove was given by the mine management so now i hope evryone's fingers cnt chnge direction

  • brian.buytenhuys - 2012-08-27 08:12

    how many police must die before opening fire?

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-27 08:22

      Two seperate issues here, a policeman was not hurt, injured or killed in this scuffle, you need to pay attention in class Brian! haha

      punungwe - 2012-08-27 08:24

      That is the question. Would it have been better if the headlines had read '100 police killed by miners!'. I do not think the miners would have stopped in a minute or two if they had managed to overpower the police.

      punungwe - 2012-08-27 08:32

      michael.barns.1 - the miners were charging towards the police clearly with an intention to harm them. That they didn't manage to get hold of a single policeman is a fault of their poor tactical thinking not because of a lack of intention to harm the police.

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-27 11:37

      ah punguwungu this is not zimbabwe, but is fast becoming it. Just have to ask you this, in a riot police wear riot gear right? You know, full body armour and shields etc etc. Why in this instance were they wearing no riot armour and just tactical gear with live fully automatic weapons? This is the issue that is being brought before parliament. You need to educate yourself with a normal society first, take a look at the 2011 England riots, then come back to me with a normal answer.

  • altusvanzyl - 2012-08-27 08:58

    Wtf? So they ran with their backs towards the police then.

  • jacobus.m.vantonder - 2012-08-27 08:59

    Shot in the back? the people that killed the 2 police officials and security, shot by the same peolpe that was standing right behind them, his own brother...

  • tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-08-27 09:08

    let me tell you, i have seen footage of police that day at Lonmin, who showed distress and upset and retreat after the rubber bullets were fired - they knew what was coming next if the miners didn't back off. I heard the police warning them at a close enough distance that they will shoot - and this tight group ran at the police with pangas and machettes - i too would have shot knowing what those miners were capable of killing already 2 policemen, 2 security guards and 6 civilans. The footage i saw shows a policeman vomiting afterwards and others looking distraught. These men in blue have to do our dirty work and sacrifice their lives while we sit on the couch insisting their could have been a better way - like what??? calling Superman or Batman!!!! this is real life - maybe the police could've handled it better - walked away, disobeyed orders and let these murderers run free. if it was a bank robbery or hostage situation and a group emerged with weapons towards the police what would have happened. if a group with weapons has to run at a Zuma motorcade - what would happen??? these policemen are flesh and blood - not metal!!!!!!

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-08-27 09:10

    My word it is amazing how stupid people in government, and generally in power, are in this country!!! If Cops opened fire of course some people are going to turn and run!! It doesn't mean that the other 2000 people turned around they were still charging at the police!!!!!

      Malose-Nyatlo - 2012-08-27 10:33

      Twit! I need a lot of convincing that being shot in the back implies those thugs were running away.

  • jaco.s.scheepers - 2012-08-27 09:11

    If they didn't attack the Police they would still be alive!!!!

  • Simphiwe Spijo Nxumalo - 2012-08-27 09:15

    I foresee a large number of police with specialised training being suspended here including the General herself I wonder what was gonna be said if 100 cops were hacked to death by these miners..

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-08-27 09:43

    Makes sense as I said police were chasing the people from the back as I post mortem is right unless we want to blame muthi for showing bullet wounds as having entered from the back.they play too much computer games and think this is a damna game.

  • hendrik.andries.5 - 2012-08-27 09:51

    Read this and you're eyes will open

  • chule.qalase - 2012-08-27 10:52

    I have seen and been told by actual people who were there that day, except these distressed white folks who are so caught up in hatred of Africans, the cops actually surrounded people, using the helicopter at the back and killer cops in front. There was no fighting whatsoever that took place. People ran from the helicopter shooter only to find out they were heading for slaughter cops. I wonder if the same people who comment on this news24 aren't te same killers who committed the crimes of Apertheid????

  • chule.qalase - 2012-08-27 10:54

    I have seen and been told by actual people who were there that day, except these distressed white folks who are so caught up in hatred of Africans, the cops actually surrounded people, using the helicopter at the back and killer cops in front. There was no fighting whatsoever that took place. People ran from the helicopter shooter only to find out they were heading for slaughter cops. I wonder if the same people who comment on this news24 aren't te same killers who committed the crimes of Apertheid????

  • chule.qalase - 2012-08-27 10:54

    I have seen and been told by actual people who were there that day, except these distressed white folks who are so caught up in hatred of Africans, the cops actually surrounded people, using the helicopter at the back and killer cops in front. There was no fighting whatsoever that took place. People ran from the helicopter shooter only to find out they were heading for slaughter cops. I wonder if the same people who comment on this news24 aren't the same killers who committed the crimes of Apertheid????

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-08-27 11:02

      why do you nake so much sense! they dont agree with anything that a black person say and they do that even if you make sense.old dog can not learn the new tricks of democracy.they miss free land and guns to shoot us away.

      punungwe - 2012-08-27 11:38

      So you mean to say all these minings who are talking about being given muti to make them invincible were doing it so they could befriend the police afterwards. You mean to say the miners who to this day still believe they would have overpowered the police had it not been for a dead rabbit, are lying. Right thinking people should actually be asking why is the sangoma still not in police cells up to now. He was clearly part of a conspiracy to harm the police. He was clearly part of a conspiracy to attempt murder of police officers. He may have been an accessory to the murder of the 10 people who were killed by the miners. That the plan to attack police officers that he may have spend several days assisting the miners hatch failed, does not make him and his fellow co-conspirators innocent.

  • Rolisizwe Lunika - 2012-08-27 11:36

    Majority of commentators in this website are using this space to express their hatred for blacks in his country and I have picked up that majority of blacks don't like whites either,but this will have to end soon because we all live in this country but it has to start sumwhere each and every one of us must ask themselves on how they can change their behaivor

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