'Corrective rape' - girl, 13, attacked

2011-05-06 22:19

Johannesburg - A 13-year-old lesbian was raped in Atteridgeville, Pretoria, the department of justice and constitutional development said on Friday.

"Government condemns this senseless and cowardly act of criminality," department spokesperson Tlali Tlali said in a statement.

He said the girl, who was open about her sexuality, was raped in what seemed to be an act of "corrective rape" on Thursday.

According to activists, lesbian women are often victims of "corrective rape", which is forced sex with a man to "cure" their sexuality.

The department said every South African had the right to express themselves in the sexual orientation of their choice.

Tlali said police and the National Prosecuting Authority's sexual offences and community affairs unit would investigate the case.

The girl and her family would also receive assistance from the department of justice and the department of social development.

"Gay and lesbian rights are human and constitutional rights which must be protected and respected at all times," he said.

Last month, Noxolo Nogwaza, a 24-year-old member of the Ekurhuleni Pride Organising Committee, a gay rights group, was stoned to death in Kwa Thema township outside Johannesburg.

Human Rights Watch said evidence indicated Nogwaza was targeted because she was a lesbian.

It said the murder, which took place on April 24, appeared to be the latest in an "epidemic" of brutal homophobic attacks.

Sadistic crimes

"Nogwaza's death is the latest in a long series of sadistic crimes against lesbians, gay men, and transgender people in South Africa," Dipika Nath, a researcher for the rights group, said in a statement on Tuesday.

At the time, police spokesperson Tshisikhawe Ndou said investigators did not consider the murder a hate crime.

"We do not have evidence to conclude that the crime was committed against her based on the fact of her sexual orientation. It is just purely murder and rape that we are investigating at this stage," he told Agence France Press.

Nogwaza's body was found in the same township where Eudy Simelane, a former midfielder for the national women's football side, was gang-raped and murdered in 2008.

Human Rights Watch said Nogwaza's murder was "eerily reminiscent" of 29-year-old Simelane's, for which two men were convicted in 2009.

"Both were 'out' as lesbians in the community, both were tortured and sexually assaulted before being killed, and the bodies of both were dumped in public places," it said.

Studies by the government-funded Medical Research Council in 2009 and 2010 found that one in four South African men admitted to committing rape, and one in three in north-central Gauteng province, where Nogwaza and Simelane were attacked.

  • BigMoose - 2011-05-06 22:42


      derri52 - 2011-05-07 08:24

      peadophiles, rapists, thieves, yet are called men????

      Gedoente - 2011-05-09 08:40

      Don't think education is going to cure this

  • chicklil - 2011-05-06 22:44

    "one in four South African men admitted to committing rape, and one in three in north-central Gauteng province" - how sick is that?!

      derri52 - 2011-05-07 08:21

      they are not men. they are a virus!

      ockert.kruger - 2011-05-07 10:33

      Can not understand why these men were not investigated and arrested after their confessions

      Derek - 2011-05-07 15:00

      Well, if our president can do it... SICK!!!

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-07 15:54

      I wish they would supply demographics along with these numbers.

      p123 - 2011-05-08 11:28

      Probably all ANCYL members/supporters...

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-08 19:57

      Zebedi, all men rape. But we have a problem in this country because most men don't see it as a 'real' crime. Till it happens to their own child.

      Chillepeppa - 2011-05-09 10:09

      @ Snoopy88, Maybe all the men YOU know, not the ones in my life...

      Li - 2011-05-09 11:52

      This was also the sentence that shocked me most!! 25% os all SA men rapists?? Scary...

  • chicklil - 2011-05-06 22:45

    Not that the rest of the article is not sick or shocking, but that bit stood out for me.

      ImAnAfrican - 2011-05-06 22:48

      Agreed, these men should be castrated.

      Proefeet - 2011-05-06 23:46

      I agree 100% - at 13 maybe it is "cool" to be a lesbian, like a character seen on tv perhaps? That does not change the horror of the rape one iota, though.

      Balstrome - 2011-05-07 02:48

      You bigots are assuming that being gay is a choice. It is not.

      grocer - 2011-05-07 07:47

      @watblyoor.Listem you cretin!! Most gay people know they're gay for as long as they can remember, so don't come with your "what does a 13 year old know".. business.!! Ignorant idiot. I knew i liked girls at 13(i'm a man) so why shouldn't a lesbian know at 13? Give younger people some credit.

      x - 2011-05-07 09:13

      I knew I was gay at around 10 or so. At 13 I was 100% certain that I was different to the other kids.

      x - 2011-05-07 14:07

      Wow I am so glad I am a 'mistake' :)

      Ekenechukwu - 2011-05-07 15:43

      @ Tilo, murderers, rapists, serial killers, racists and etc are human beings like you but the spirits(demons)in them make the different.

      Proefeet - 2011-05-07 15:50

      Wow, Tieneke must have committed a really grave SIN to be censored even on a Saturday! To retain some context, what Tieneke said is that everyone is created by God, but he sometimes "makes mistakes" like creating Down Syndrome people or gay people. Naughty, naughty Tieneke!

      Gatta - 2011-05-07 23:19

      God does not make mistakes!!! We make the mistake at thinking we know more than God.

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-08 20:00

      One is not gay to be 'cool'. Many of my gay friends would choose differently if they could, because its a difficult life.

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-08 20:04

      @ x - you are no mistake. God or whoever 'he' is doesn't make mistakes. Stuff anyone who says differently! Not that you need defending, just saying

      blondetopaz - 2011-05-09 08:44

      @ grocer. no need for insults. at 13 yrs i did not think whether i liked boys or not. some us here maybe led more sheltered lives, and the opposite sex/our sexual orientation did not cross our minds till later.

  • Senzo N. Dhlomo - 2011-05-06 22:49

    We truly live in a SICK world!!! How horrible; I agree with Goddok, the death penality is needed to these sick bastards

      p123 - 2011-05-08 11:32

      They should hunt these men down like Bin Laden, oh, and while at it just add Julius Malema to the list. Remember JuJu said that as long as you give the woman taxi money that it is okay to 'take' the woman!!!

  • Perfume - 2011-05-06 22:56

    Words fail me!!!!!!!

  • braveinternetguy - 2011-05-06 22:57

    What? What...?! I am dumbstruck in a wide variety of manners. Truly.

  • Steppa - 2011-05-06 23:04

    So this would be a significant case for the the ANCYL to enforce its stance that all 12 year old girls must go on prescriptive contraception, as it can only be their (12 yr old girls) own fault if they fall pregnant, hey????

  • Superdude - 2011-05-06 23:24

    This country is rotting with this kind of behaviour and mentality. The standards drop on a daily basis....the headlines get worse everyday. Cry the beloved country.

      onetickie - 2011-05-07 07:54

      Well the president of the country should be proud seeing he was accused of the same but because of his "status????" managed to get off the hook as he did with the corruption charges. Monkey see, monkey do.

      Creeky - 2011-05-07 10:07

      As for the current President of South Africa, his creed is "Naai the Beloved Country"!!!!!

      IceMan - 2011-05-07 18:16

      you can cry until the cows come home and nothing will change

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-05-06 23:38

    The police are told to shoot to kill. Gorvernment is to cowardly to bring back the death penalty. I hope that one day they see what their ignorance has destroyed and may they suffer the wrath.

      Luckybugger - 2011-05-07 00:51

      Anon these acts of barbarism leaves me speechless, whether one approves of homosexuality or not respect the individual, it is not the place of some barbaric animal to violate a individuals rights, to reinstate the death penalty firstly will never happen as long as the ANC thugs are in charge, and in a country were there is law and order it can work, but as we have come to realize that is long gone in our country, when a person commits a crime they are of the impresion they will not be caught, so never does the death penalty ever enter his mind, then in the few countries where the death penalty is still in force the death row prisoners sit on death row for many years and 93% of them get their sentences comuted to life. I don't know what the solution to this problem could be, God help us

  • Brandon - 2011-05-06 23:54

    Get the lack of logic...a man raping a girl is gonna make a girl want to have sex with men??? Fuucking morons.

      Aluicius Jones - 2011-05-07 06:18

      There isn't alot of logic in Africa -

      sonofason - 2011-05-07 06:25

      My sentiments exactly

      Marcell - 2011-05-07 06:30

      Logic and Africa should not be used at the same time.

      Irené - 2011-05-07 12:16

      @creeky- way to go, offending 4 races in one short little sentence. You guys also dont possess much of this so-called "LOGIC" if you can rgoup together an entire cultural group or race. Please STFU. Actually that goes for mr Jones, sonofason and marcell. Hateful racists- this has nothing to do with the continent

      anton.lammers - 2011-05-07 14:50

      LOGIC is not an American word! There is no LOGIC in killing Osama, do they want a 3rd world war to break out, that is even if it ever happened!?! How does that feel to be marginalized? Not so nice, hey? There are millions of brilliant people in Africa that do not condone this type of behavior and they are of all ethnicities.

      Marcell - 2011-05-07 16:22

      Irene. You should wake up and smell the coffee. I will repeat it again. It is a cultural thing. You must remember where they come from. There was no such thing as rape. If it was found out they would go to the 'kaptein'. He would rule on the deed and damages would be paid. A sheep or cow at the most. End of story. Maybe it is unfair for us to force our western ways and laws onto people that have a different value system. When I say it is a cultural issue I don't mean it in a negative way but if you see it that way I don't really care.

      AlphaOne - 2011-05-08 13:11

      @Marcel, you speak a load of cr@p Rape existed (and exists) all over the world. East, West and here as well. The city of Chicago posts mug shots of criminals the police apprehend. Go check out how many sexual offenders are there. Now take those blinkers off before you fall down a hill.

  • beicime - 2011-05-06 23:57

    Sick minds

  • tlovem - 2011-05-07 00:28

    Just a bit of information for all of you advocating the death penalty: it does absolutely nothing to deter violent behavior. Most criminals believe that they'll never get caught (that sort of "it wouldn't happen to me" mentality), so putting people to death for their crimes does nothing to solve the problem and it actually proves to be more expensive and arduous than simple imprisonment. What really needs to happen here is some sort of rehabilitative measures - EDUCATION is the key here; SOCIAL SUPPORT and infrastructure is critical. Otherwise these underserved communities will only continue to serve the sort of vigilante justice that they deem appropriate and necessary - like raping and killing people who transgress some subjective morality. ...Anyway, I'm done preaching. Just wanted you all to know, the death penalty solves NOTHING. Just look at America - millions of dollars in the hole each year to prosecute and convict a couple of men who end up spending an average of 15-20 years in prison anyway before they finally get sent to die. It's inefficient. It's ineffective. A broken system. It's not the answer.

      GinSA1 - 2011-05-07 01:27

      Blah blah blah. Kill the effers. They won't be in a position to be released (not alive anyway), so they can't commit any other crime. I don't give a crap whether it has an effect on the crime rate (though that would be the ideal). For me it's about them forfeiting their right to breathe. Die is what they deserve. Klaar

      Blip - 2011-05-07 02:50

      The death penalty isn't ever about reformation or correction or deterrence anyway. It's only about retribution. And, in that regard, it is truly EXCELLENT punishment.

      Gatvol - 2011-05-07 04:24

      I think the problem with death penalty the way it's done in US is the looong wait until the convicted are executed. Why wait 15-20 years? If the death penalty is given, execute at dawn! Saves tax money and I think it will make these criminals think again beofre they do their terrible deeds

      Blip - 2011-05-07 05:26

      In China, when you get the death penalty, you're taken straight from the dock to a secluded courtyard behind the courthouse and you get one bullet to the back of the head, right there and then. No appeals, no mitigations, no last meals, nothing. Just BOOM and you're gone.

      ebdg3000 - 2011-05-07 05:55

      But it deters that individual's violent behaviour forever. There are enough deserving people who live in the most impoverished conditions who have never done crime, without having to waste our time having to attempt to rehabilitate psychopaths.

      phillip.havenga - 2011-05-07 07:59

      The idea of the death penalty is not to deter but to strip that barbaric individual of their human rights, because thats what they did to their victims. It also prevents them from ever committing a crime again which I would say makes it quite successful.

      onetickie - 2011-05-07 08:01

      At least it saves the tax payers from feeding/clothing, keeping them in 1st class medical care etc. etc. And frees up space for more criminals coming in.

      Creeky - 2011-05-07 10:11

      I say FEEDING the RAPING / MURDERING Savages, ALIVE, to the SHARKS WILL be the PERFECT DETERENT!!! A couple of RECTUMS will wash up onthe beach.... and that's about all that will be left over!

      tryanything - 2011-05-07 10:30

      Sombody needs to give them a big fright somehow....A woman (black lady by the way) told me in 1965 that the Government must never stop applying the death penalty. 'The black man fears the rope' she said. 'The minute they abandon the death penalty crime will get out of hand.' I myself was one of those Takhaar communist Wits Students. Anti Nat. Stood on Jan Smuts Ave with posters outside SAB. There was no shortage of policemen then ...took half an hour to muster 400 of them. Was the lady right or wrong then???

      Airwolf - 2011-05-07 11:03

      Whether the death penalty is a deterrent or not is irrelevant. It is a penalty you pay for murder, rape or whatever. You make the decision to cross the line, and you pay the penalty.

      Jason - 2011-05-07 13:22

      The problem with your reasoning is that many convicted criminals re-offend once released. Some even kill and rape again. If they are executed you save innocent people.

      behind.our.smiles - 2011-05-07 20:36

      You say it won't deter them, but I am damn sure in will stop them from re-offending !

  • Spoofed - 2011-05-07 00:42

    Seriously Sick! But also.. what does a 13 year old girl know about her sexuality? I mean, You only hit puberty then? and when that happens we all know very well its a tough road for a while. how can one be sure of ones sexuality when one is 13? She probably thought it would be cool to declare herself a lesbian. sigh and now the poor child is damaged forever =,( This country is like one huge DUMP. =(

      darkwing - 2011-05-07 08:12

      Why would a black girl think it's 'cool' to be lesbian when she would know she could get raped for it???

      x - 2011-05-07 09:16

      I am 100% sure a LONG time before 13 that I was gay. You cannot choose your sexual orientation - and you know VERY early. I am sure you knew by 13 that you liked the opposite sex? Not? And that you were NOT gay?

      x - 2011-05-07 09:17

      Sorry meant to say I 'was' 100% sure.

      Irené - 2011-05-07 09:48

      Spoofed dont spew such garbage if you dont even understand sexuality . It is not a choice, you are born that way. Love is love. whether it be between man and woman, or woman and woman, the world can always do with a little more love. Even under the circumstances, I congratulate this girl for being true to herself, despite the discrimination etc, and accepting herself for who she is. Pity there is so little tolerance for others sexual orientation- otherwise maybe we could have entered the 21st centry by now instead of being stuck back in the 1800s. Jeez.

      Freakeee - 2011-05-07 10:55

      Such a tragedy and this in the community who should protect their children. As the saying goes it takes a village to raise a child. I have seen the effects of rape on a child and that is why I think this country should start with "corrective castration". That way the rapist will not be able to rape Everyone is assuming that with sexuality we are all carbon copies of the other. We are not. Some realize that they are gay at a later stage in live. Others at an earlier stage. Most people say we are born this way, not in my opinion. I made a conscious choice to date a man - that choice was not based on sex. I also do not see how someone would declare they are gay because it is "cool". Even though those of us who have an "alternative lifestyle" are accepted these days, compared to the past, there are still some who go out of their way to belittle, judge, murder etc gay folk.

      x - 2011-05-07 14:10

      So freakee basically you are bisexual, not gay.

      Lidia Theron - 2011-05-07 15:53

      But, she is old enough to be raped. What sense does that make?

      Gatta - 2011-05-07 23:34

      I know the unbelievers will have a field day with what I am going to say, but I will say it anyway. God does not make mistakes and He made EVERYTHING good. Homosexuality is an abomination to God, so He will NOT make someone a homosexual. "He knitted me together in my mother's womb. Ps 139:13" My heart breaks for this little girl and all the other girls and women that have suffered this fate at the hands of such barbaric ignoramusses. Their punishment will be measured out to them.

      Susannomore - 2011-05-08 08:26

      With what shown via the media, that 13 year old knows more about sexuality than we did at 21. The fact remains that 13 or 31, everyone has a right to declare themselves gay if they believe they are. There is nothing unnatural about this. 1500 species of animals have been studied showing Homosexual and bisexual behavior. And no one has the right to hurt us for this, or any other reason.

  • Philip Kleynhans - 2011-05-07 00:53

    How sick can SA get. We can be the most strrongest in the world Mineral wiuse and we F**8 it up. You kwon why "CORRUPTION"

      nathanjaysa - 2011-05-07 01:21

      I understand that its not Just SA that have these sick people i have heard that certain countries are worse off dealing in human traffic and drugs not to mention under age sex slaves to brothels and rich bastards that make money out of it,SA i think is just the tip of an Iceberg.

  • SaTyRLoliCoN - 2011-05-07 00:53

    African logic at its very best. Please, anyone who supports this, die in a fire. Thanks.

      Aluicius Jones - 2011-05-07 06:24

      It's difficult to put african and logic in the same sentence unless there is a no in there .

      Susannomore - 2011-05-08 08:28

      I do not support wishing death on anyone. This would put me in the same class as the rapists.

  • mabsie - 2011-05-07 01:43

    She was only 13! A young girl getting to grips with who she was and wanted to be. Its just too awfull. May justice be served on the barbarians .

  • TamaraSays - 2011-05-07 02:58

    Can we please, PLEASE have corrective castration? We are, after all, the global rape capital. Maybe the prospect of getting their junk cut off will deter these people more than the thought of a holiday at the expense of the tax payer?

      Bettysue - 2011-05-07 08:56

      Tamara, having their junk cut off will only enrage them more. They will use objects on their victims. The only cure is a bullet between the eyes!

      Creeky - 2011-05-07 10:14

      After all, Rape in South Africa is so bad... it is seen as a new National Sport!

  • Marcell - 2011-05-07 05:38

    It is a cultural thing. This is the case when you want to justify a cultural behaviour with western values and principals. Black women have being westernised at an alarming rate. They don't want to be the slave anymore. They want to make decisions and think for themselves. They don't want to breed and have big families. The black male is still in a struggle with that concept of an woman that should be an object according to their culture but no longer is not.

      p123 - 2011-05-08 11:39

      Is corrective rape a Western or African concept? I wonder if it was invented in SA? Maybe Julius invented it, it would be the first and last thing he ever invented... maybe he figured this out during woodwork class???

  • hermannb - 2011-05-07 06:36

    Sick.Disgusting.Barbaric.This is the society we live in.No respect for our fellow human beings. No respect for life.No respect for each other.Lawless.To busy blaming Apartheid for everything.It is about time that the ANC become a leader and lead this country.It is about time the ANC stops blaming the past and start building on the future. It is about time the ANC respect ALL the people in this country.It is about time the ANC becomes a REAL government.It is about time time the ANC starts dealing with the lawlessness in this country.THAT is where the problem lies.Curb that, and half our problems are gone.It is about time that the leadership in the ANC stops looking only after themselves........I am afraid to say this will not happen before Jesus returns.

  • derri52 - 2011-05-07 08:20

    we need a cure for these vile creatures. no, not creatures. they are a virus. may god help this poor kid.

  • Karen - 2011-05-07 08:29

    Pity they don't realise they're only re-inforcing her sexual orientation! She is FAR more likely to stay away from men now!

      x - 2011-05-07 09:22

      She is a lesbian. She is not interested in men. That is what it means to be a lesbian sheesh. Events don't 'reinforce' sexuality. You are what you are - and that goes for everyone; straight or gay.

      CyberDog - 2011-05-07 13:03

      @X, actually I have personally witnessed heterosexual men that have been raped, and become completely gay. Your knee-jerk reaction would probably be that they were not heterosexual, or were in the closet, to begin with. But then that would have been a choice ... Whether it is right or wrong is irrelevant, you have to remember that heterosexual born and gay born people experience, perceive and understand things differently. Criticizing anyone for not seeing the others point of view is an oxymoron. It is not about the perception, its about the acceptance. The whole sexual system is all about chemicals, our brain is in charge of those chemicals. Sometimes those balances are changed. However, Do not get me wrong, I completely and utterly abhor rape, it is completely unacceptable regardless of the perpetrator or the victim. But then again, rape and crime is completely understandable in South Africa. We have voted our leaders in place, and they are setting the example. We either need to embrace the results, or change it ... it is OUR choice.

  • ChangingConcept - 2011-05-07 08:36

    death sentence for rapist, nothing less

  • Guillermo - 2011-05-07 08:44

    it will be more realistic & fair to men in South Africa to publish the race of those "1 in 4 men" the authorities say have committed rape & stop hiding the truth behind general statistics. As a white man I don't appreciate that women may think they have a 25% chance I'm a rapist

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-07 15:59

      Of the thousands of white men I've met in my life, I've only ever known of two who had raped anyone.

      spacemonkey - 2011-05-08 07:32

      @Vaal Donkie I would like to point out that they're not generally in the habit of announcing that they're rapists.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-15 15:40

      It kinda becomes obvious when they're accused of it.

  • briansmith702 - 2011-05-07 08:53

    I wonder in which community this took place????

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-07 16:00

      Probably in an upmarket white suburb ;)

  • esther - 2011-05-07 09:18

    for the people who can not believe that at 13 you can know if you are or are not me you can. when your puberty hits you have a sense of knowing what you do and do not "like" other then that it does not matter if the girl was or was not lesbian she was raped. this is THE most barbarian way of living and to call it a correctional rape is out of the question! people that have been proven that they raped should be castrated or if the part about china's death penalty is correct it would be a good idea to take to that form of punishment. one shot in the head. it scares me to see a country that i love so dearly have these issues so much. i pray that there will come a day that this kind of "behaviour" will be in the past.

  • artpaper - 2011-05-07 09:24

    How can a girl of 13 yrs really know her sexual orientation? The hormones are still adjusting and a 'crush' on a same sex person is part of growing up? I am baffled by this story. The rapists are just looking for an excuse!

      x - 2011-05-07 10:09

      Why is this question coming up here repeatedly? Kids know from a VERY early age what their sexual orientation is. At 13, kids are not running around in a bisexual, ambivalent confusion... or were you 'confused' as a 13 year old. I knew LONG before then that I was gay, as I am sure that heterosexual kids also know by the age of 13 that they like they opposite sex. Spend time with any 12 year old staright kid and it becomes VERY obvious. So clearly YOU did not know your sexual orientation at 13; but not suprisingly most other people do. On second thoughts, maybe youa re bisexual - which could explain your post.

      Irené - 2011-05-07 12:05

      Spot on X! why do people insist on giving their opinion if they so clearly have no idea what they are talking about- Artpaper might want to explore his/her own sexuality- having a crush on the same sex, may just mean that you harbour sexual feelings, and thats not anything to be ashamed of.people often think bisexuality is another word promiscuity or bad values, but I have known from a young age (atleast 10 or 11) that I was attracted to both sexes, although I am in a monogomous relationship for 5 yrs, I still cannot change the way I feel about women. Why cant people embrace sexuality as something unique, we're not all cut from the same cloth. The kingsey reports are an excellent source of info about people true sexual natures

      Creeky - 2011-05-07 12:24

      Hey, I am a guy and I KNEW I was a "lesbian" at the age of 12...I was and am still very much attracted to females!

      Irené - 2011-05-07 13:07

      wow Greeky- this is no laughing matter- way to show your maturity

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-07 16:01

      I've loved a few men in my life. My father, brothers and my best firend. But I've never been moved to touch them with my penis. And in any case, what exactly is it that lesbians do in bed?

      Jer007 - 2011-05-07 19:39

      I totally agree that this poor girl should not have gone about proclaiming she is lesbian - not that she at all deserved to be raped for it!11 - but 13 is a confusing time for all and children should be encouraged NOT to explore sexuality (and for example decide "I am lesbian"). Being sexually active or explorative at this age, leads to so many emotional psycholigical problems throughout a persons life. Let children be children - let the media not sexualise them, let parents educate children about the fact that sex belongs in marriage when one is at an age appropriate whom they can spend the rest of their live with, and we will have far fewer sexualised problems, scars and sexualised crimes.

      Susannomore - 2011-05-08 08:31

      Simple - you want to kiss the girls, instead of the boys... The ANCYL declared the other day that they want girls as young as 12 to be given the pill. Did this way of thinking come about because girls this young are having sex, or because men still think it is acceptable to rape girls this young...

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-15 15:41

      Boitshepo, if you can't prove that I've raped someone, you had better retract your statement or I WILL sue you.

  • Vetkoek1 - 2011-05-07 09:30

    Is this what is meant by "African solutions to African problems"? So if someone is lesbian, the African solution is to rape them? And still not a peep out of the government condemning this cowardly, barbaric act? Why? Is it because they support it from a cultural perspective? Just asking?

      p123 - 2011-05-08 11:41

      Julius invented the concept!

  • FerretGee - 2011-05-07 10:04

    There ared two things wrong here, first is the "corrective rape" which of course is barbaric and shows an archaic mindset. Second thing is that a girl of only 13 is so sexually aware that she already knows she is a lesbian. Girls of that age should be just about heading into high school and worrying more about their bodies metabolical changes than whether they prefer girls or boys in a sexual way. What happened to the innocence of youth??

      x - 2011-05-07 10:25

      It is not a preference!!! Sheesh You sexual orientation is not something you decide on - or did YOU only at a later stage 'decide' you are heterosexual? It has nothing to do with 'innocence'... and then you wonder why some gay kids commit suicide. Remember all the stories that you have hear where people said: "Oh he/she was such a bright and wonderful student and so good at sport with such potential? I don't understand why he/she committed suicide and at such a young age. How tragic.'??? Well guess what...

      FerretGee - 2011-05-07 10:45

      @x - You are missing my point. I am not gay-bashing, I am as an adult and a parent questioning the sexual awareness of a 13 year-old. And whilst I agree that one doesn't choose one's sexual preference, I am still of the opinion that at puperty, most kids have absolutely no clue of their own sexuality or waht sexuality actualy entails. I also acknowledge that some kids are more aware than others (as was obviously this girl). All I am saying is that kids are no longer kids anymore.

  • YasButIDunno - 2011-05-07 10:06

    Horrifying. All sympathies to the poor victim and to all the other victims of these crimes. The behaviour of these "men" leads one to realize why colonisation of Africa was considered necessary in the first place. No self control, no morals, no accountability, no sense of responsibility to self or others -just barbarians. Of course, the next colonisers won't be as kind and considerate as were those from Europe - better start learning to speak, read and write Mandarin boytjies, because your idol Mr. Zuma is selling your country out from under you as fast as he can. The new colonisers will not worry about the death penalty, they will "Just Do It".

  • Mafusi - 2011-05-07 10:15

    why is our goverment so ignorent about death sentence we want it back the sooner the better this rubbish eat nice food and sleep well because they been watched while we are scared in our own houses where we thought is a better place to be in ,the bustard walk free out ther do we really have a PRESIDENT here in mzanzi i dont think so ,there is no better action than death penalty

  • Gugulethu - 2011-05-07 10:28

    Eish reading such is upseting. But it should be out in the open and I am glad there are some sensible officials out there who are taking charge of such things and admitting to this grusmnes.

  • Compassion - 2011-05-07 11:36

    Any child, boy or girl, when they reach purbity they go through an identity crisis. It is normal, and by the time they reach the age of 16, they have oriented themselves. This act was CHILD RAPE. I have compassion for my fellow man, but NONE FOR CHILD MOLESTERS. To call them pigs would be an insult to pigs. They are the lowest form of life in the universe.

  • Doublepost - 2011-05-07 11:41

    They need a lot of "corrective" rape in prison! I might not be a gay person but I wouldn't think I could "correct" them by sexually assaulting them?! Who the hell comes up with these warped ideas? Seriously!

  • RedCherry - 2011-05-07 12:14

    Absence of death penalty: it's not the fault of the government but of the Constitutional Court. The Makwanane judgement was nothing more than a collective abberration. The problem is that now, that is how the constitution has been interpeted. Because any new law is compared to the constitution, a law which reintroduces the death penalty will be considered unconstitutional. Even as a law of general application such a law might not pass constitutional muster. The answer is, of course, to load the concourt with judges sympathetic to the reintroduction of the death penalty, but then when you start messing with those processes and the constitution, you condone anarchy, dictatorship and corruption at a level surpassing even that which we now suffer. Now, of course, anyone with half a brain knows that murderers (and perhaps rapists also) should give up their right to the protection of the law (other than for due process) when they break the law and that, therefore they should, ultimately die for their crimes. They do not respect the human rights of their victims and should, therefore, not be afforded any such consideration for themselves, other than, as I have said, due process to determine the existence of guilt. The danger of the death penalty is, of course, the ineptitude of the police. This is not an argument for not having the death penalty, but rather one for improving policing, which, for some reason, government does not want to do, and for that they can and should be blamed.

  • RedCherry - 2011-05-07 12:17

    Makwanane should be Makwanyane - don't know why it's there twice - I didn't type it twice.

  • artpaper - 2011-05-07 12:57

    To X- Sorry I cannot see that all girls would really know their sexual orientation by 13 yrs. I was too naive to even think about it at that age. Not all children are exposed to such things.

      Irené - 2011-05-07 13:14

      ah you poor thing. What exactly do you think X was exposed to prior to 'becoming' gay? was it fluoride in the tapwater? Pornography as a baby? Your ignorance speaks for itself. And what do you mean with 'such things' what things? Sexuality is within you, its not someth8ing you pick up off the street. And they want to tell me we live in the 21st century! Its not something you think about, it is what you are, and around puberty, when your sexual feelings are more awakened you will know who you prefer, or atleast most people will

      63Starlight - 2011-05-09 08:31

      @artpaper..... I have a friend who knew he was attracted to boys from an early age. No he was not sexually molested by any one. He just found himself dreaming about boys and not girls. By 12, he outed himself to me and asked me what he should do about his very ultra strict Catholic parents. He told me that he tried dating girls but was absolutely revolted by the thought of touching them in any intimate way. So, it is definitely not choice. He did tell his parents and they refused to acknowledge the fact that he is gay. They too said it was a hormonal phase he was going through. But, 7 years later, he is still very much gay.

  • RiRo1 - 2011-05-07 13:43

    Urgh... So sex is apparently the cure for everything? Let the people be who they want to be! This is sick!

  • artpaper - 2011-05-07 13:47

    To Irene - Such things being the period and sexual awakening. My sexual awakening happened later not earlier, we are all different.

  • Lydon - 2011-05-07 15:29

    It amuses me that some people think that someone would choose to be gay. Why would anyone logically choose a lifetime of discrimination, have to break the news to their friends and family, be denied the right to marry in most countries, or even face the death penalty in some when they could just as easily lead a "normal" lifestyle by choice? Regardless, unless you're gay you really have no say in the matter as you're not speaking from experience and are only fooling yourself.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-07 16:03

      Why don't you tell us why you prefer a man's anus over a woman's vagina? We can put this whole thing to rest right here, right now.

      x - 2011-05-07 16:46

      Donkie I quote from one of your comments above: "No one cares where you put your penis". :)

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-15 15:42

      It is still interesting.

  • Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-07 15:54

    How does a 13 year old girl know she's a lesbian?

      Boitshepo - 2011-05-07 17:59

      how does a grown-@ss man like you ask such a dumb question?

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-08 20:10

      well I knew at 10 I liked the boy next door, so there...

  • artpaper - 2011-05-07 16:14

    Lets just get back to the facts of the story. The girl is still a child and not to blame, whatever her orientation known or unknown. These rapists were using the word 'lesbian' as an excuse so they would not be called paedophiles.

      Boitshepo - 2011-05-07 17:58

      Ooohh thank you artpaper she is a VICTIM but nooo somehow almost everyone seems to be interested in her sexuality like seriously now how inhuman is that

      Susannomore - 2011-05-08 08:33

      @Boitshepo - everyone is interested in her sexualty because that is why she was raped...

  • vanommen.jan - 2011-05-07 17:10

    I came here in this beautiful country in 2001. After 10 years I start to wonder if the cultural difference is not pushing me out of South Africa. Rape to correct, killings for Muti, rape for HIV, I wonder if the mentality of the cross population is simply not able to understand how stupid and really naive that is. South Africa, you will NOT change from Developing to Developed as long as you cherish this culture! Bad!

  • Carolyn - 2011-05-07 17:14

    At 13 years, she most probley does not no the difference between lesbian and Virgin, and would not know she was a lesbian unless someone told her that she was. She is only a little girl and a virgin at that, these men are worse then human, and should be made to pay by having their penises cut off.

  • Boitshepo - 2011-05-07 17:55

    A13yr old was RAPED a crime committed regardless of her sexuality and not you lot are questioning what she bout being Lesbo how the hell is that relevant? are you saying sad she got raped but boohoo she claimed to be a Lesbo? wherether she knew it for fact or not she is still a victim, she was left emotionally scared probably permanently nogal we just living in a sick world women arent safe at all so i say hell yeah to CORRECTIVE DEATH SENTENCE

  • oxygen - 2011-05-07 19:35

    THIS . IS . A . CHILD

  • Monica - 2011-05-07 20:11

    I said it before and I say it again! Send the rapists to Robben Island to go and take care of themselves. Why must tax payers pay for rapist; drug dealers and murderers. We live in a beautiful world with very sick people!

  • ignorance - 2011-05-08 12:24

    This is a sad story and should not happen to anyone even someone as young as 13. However, what is more tragic is that being gay is a sexual preference within or without your control (that is debatable), therefore i cannot understand why a girl as young as 13 needs to ley the world know she is gay (lesbian). Surely she should not be or legally speaking should not be actively engaged in any sexual practice, so why go public with the statement of being gay. I'm a straight male, Do I go walking around among my peers and our gay men for that fact to announce myself as being straight. Gay men do not approach me and tempt me at attack me about "corrective rape". And for that matter neither does "lesbian woman". So, perhaps our female lesbian and male gay friends should stop walking around expressing the need to let the whole world know their sexual preference, which is a private matter, kept behind closed doors, and then just perhaps they will not be attached. If you open yourself to public scrutiny, expect to receive public scrutiny. Walk around in the nude, expect someone to touch your body. Basic logic prevails. Tell everyone you have money, expect to have many friends and possibly be robbed and liked for your money. As liberal as we think we should be in our thoughts and conversations in public, does not mean we must not hide some sense of the truth about ourselves. To tell you I am picking my nose and eating my snot while typing this, is too much info, Right. !!!!!!

      Ly - 2011-05-08 13:23

      You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you? The luxury of awareness is already there. Being "open" doesn't mean you scream it on a loudspeaker, it simply means that you acknowledge it (usually when asked). To say that she "asked" to be attacked by being openly gay is much akin to saying that a woman who wears seductive clothing "asked" to be raped. Do yourself a favour and get a reality check.

      Moi1980 - 2011-05-09 09:02

      @ignorance - your name suits you perfectly

  • schmerz - 2011-05-08 18:37

    "one in four South African men admitted to committing rape", ??????????????????????????????????????????? What % of those support our president? Whom commits rape and gets away? How are these stats even possible??? Am I missing something?

  • coolwaynie - 2011-05-08 20:02

    Well....this is after all Africa. Would one expect anything different from our heathens..

  • Phakzito - 2011-05-08 23:17

    these men should be stoned to death. whether a person is a lesbian or not is none of their concern. it does not give them the right to infringe on other peoples right.