Corrupt cops may have sold guns handed in during amnesty

2014-06-05 05:00

Johannesburg - An investigation into the possible sale of firearms handed to police during an amnesty period is under way, the Hawks said on Wednesday.

"There was nothing to investigate before until we came across new information and decided to follow it all up," spokesperson Paul Ramaloko said.

The investigation would focus on Gauteng first. The probe followed the arrest of three people at a house in Norwood, Johannesburg, where police found more than 300 firearms, ammunition, and explosives on May 22.

A Ukrainian couple and their domestic helper were arrested on allegations of renting out the weapons for use in cash-in-transit heists and ATM bombings.

Police found R1, R4, R5, and AK-47 rifles, and about 300 handguns. Detonators, a machine used to manufacture ammunition, packaged dagga, and explosives used for ATM bombings were also confiscated.

During their bail application in the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court on Tuesday, prosecutor Talita Louw told the court that some of the firearms in the cache were handed to police for destruction during a national firearms amnesty in 2009.

Corrupt officers

The firearms were suspected to have been sold by corrupt police officers, Louw said.

Gun Free SA on Wednesday criticised the police.

"When gun owners handed their guns to the police during the 2009 national firearms amnesty, they trusted the police to destroy these guns," spokesperson Alan Storey said in a statement.

"The public played their part. They handed their guns in to the police for destruction.

"That some of these guns have been found in an illegal arms cache makes a mockery of South Africa's public commitment to safety and security by destroying stockpiles of weapons."

AfriForum said it had submitted a request to national police commissioner Riah Phiyega for records of firearms registers since the amnesty period.

it was hoped this would shed light on how many weapons had been destroyed since 2009.

"AfriForum also requested that it be made public how many weapons which are still to be destroyed are currently in possession of the police, and how many weapons have been misplaced by the police during the amnesty period," said spokesperson Ian Cameron.

Poor weapon control could pose a threat to national security, he said.

The three accused in the arms cache matter - Emma Shumler-Tishko, 62, her husband Mark, 59, and Endi Nkhoma, 26 - face charges of possession of unlicensed firearms and ammunition, dealing in dagga, and contravention of the Explosives Act.

Wheelchair-bound Shumler-Tishko was released on a bail of R5 000 because of her condition, Ramaloko said.

All three are expected back in court on June 23.

  • Grant Wykerd - 2014-06-05 05:10

    Why is this news? We said this was going to happen at the time!

      Chris Faurie - 2014-06-05 06:17

      Exactly. With this government all we foresee (even when they protest vehemently) will become the norm.

      Pierre Pretorius - 2014-06-05 06:33

      Good to know the SAPS can be trusted, as much as the ANC. Pathetic public servants, serving themselves.

      Ruan Smith - 2014-06-05 07:08

      Its worrying that we see all forms of corruption like this, and that it doesnt even shock us anymore. And it just keeps on coming. Instead of being shocked we end up shaking our heads and saying, "not again"! - we even joke at how useless government is, yet nothing really happens.

      Michael Kleber - 2014-06-05 07:10

      Corrupt from Jacob down , he is the king of corruption shows his minions how its done , and how to get away with it

      Vaal Koos - 2014-06-05 07:12

      Let this be a lesson to all the cowards that handed in their only source of protection.Stupid AH`s

      Andre Van Deventer - 2014-06-05 07:28

      Sad but true, the SAPS is our biggest enemy and threat. This not the way it is supposed to be! Can anyone trust a cop?

      Mc Apple - 2014-06-05 07:36

      "how many weapons have been misplaced" How do you "misplace" a weapon? Who hired these corrupt cops? Who is responsible for arming criminals? Will anyone be held responsible? Oh well, it is Africa after all.

      Edna Errenrich - 2014-06-05 08:05

      Well done GFSA wishy washy liberals. Now the weapons have gone from being safely locked up in their owners homes to being on the street used in crime. Wasters

      Travis Vermaak - 2014-06-05 09:09

      Exactly my sentiments. Not surprised at all. Police are licensed criminals under ANC rule.

      James Smythe - 2014-06-05 16:36

      Exactly this was foretold when the FCA was under discussion and protest from many gun owners. A petition was collected against the FCA, the largest ever seen in SA which delivered 33 wheelbarrows of signed petition forms to the Union Buildings based on numerous serious reservations about the new law, including this aspect of police competence and integrity in safeguarding guns to be handed in! In discussions with GFSA and other pro-confiscation bodies including government and SAPS representatives, these same reservations were raised and were rejected roundly time and again in the most contemptuous manner by those people! We told them time and time again of the dangers and hazards to take guns by coercion and intimidation from the law-abiding who commit no crime with them - did they listen? So blinded by their anti-gun ideology were the likes of GFSA and their delight in finally finding great cooperation from a government afraid of it's own citizens, they went ahead and as we see, are now actually arming violent criminals. You could not make this stuff up! Only under an integrity-free government such as we now have is it even feasible to believe it!

  • Alton Small - 2014-06-05 05:29

    So why the he'll should I have handed my firearm in if it were to be sold on the black market.

  • Alton Small - 2014-06-05 05:30

    Not that I own one, but just saying

      Brutus Roy - 2014-06-05 06:19

      Of course you don't own one, you handed yours in.

      Mc Apple - 2014-06-05 07:37

      ... so that the ANC police could arm criminals to kill you.

  • Henk Brand - 2014-06-05 05:31

    Unfortunately, to the hardworking and honest police force members, your organisation will never be regarded as trustworthy and competent by the general public. Too many incidents of members involved in criminal activities. Why must something first happen before the link with criminals are identified? Yet, known criminals get appointed in senior positions. The fact that you are excused by the TRC, does not make you less of a criminal in the eyes of the public or a guarantee that it will not happen again.

  • Adele Coetzee - 2014-06-05 05:34

    Just a thought. The one in the wheelchair got bail?! Nothing stopped her from doing the crime, even being in a wheelchair. So nothnig must stop her from doing the time.

      Lois Bruce - 2014-06-05 08:22

      No mercy for being in a wheelchair!!

  • Hlangepasika Mantwana Loleka - 2014-06-05 05:38

    jacky Selebe/Bheki cele?

      Mike Machaba - 2014-06-05 07:01


  • Valerie Vale - 2014-06-05 05:40

    Not surprised!

  • Imran Chilwan - 2014-06-05 05:42

    My dad gave in his firearm during the amnesty. At the local police station. A year later the police came to his house wanting to know where the firearm is. When he showed them the reciept they then told him the weapon was used in a murder in Newcastle. Kzn

      Athena - 2014-06-05 09:29

      An aquaintance got into a lot of trouble for disabling his firearm before he handed it in. They claimed it was because they were unable to do ballistic tests on the weapon to ensure it had not been used in a crime. I guess they were just annoyed because they could not resell it.

  • Graham Jehoma - 2014-06-05 05:47

    This is going to be the new big scandal for the feel a commission of enquiry coming on here......eish this is bad

      Karen Glautier - 2014-06-05 06:11

      Sorry Graham I down arrowed you accidentally, now I can't seem to undo it.

  • Nicole Westwood - 2014-06-05 05:50

    Lets face it we always knew they were going to destroy all those weapons. Why destroy them when they can sell????

      Toby Clive Goss - 2014-06-05 06:40

      Nicole your sentence should read "we always knew they were NOT going to destroy all those weapons"

  • Jakob Jakobs - 2014-06-05 05:51

    That was to be excpected

  • Hlekanezitha Nxumalo - 2014-06-05 05:56

    Pls remove this public protector!

      Charl Van Der Merwe - 2014-06-05 08:03

      what the fck does that have to do with this article? Are you retarded ?

      Marc Ross - 2014-06-05 08:08

      The best public protector - a .45 and a rottweiler.

  • Lucas Khampepe - 2014-06-05 06:00

    I'm happy I did not hand in my gun.

      sthembize.zulu - 2014-06-05 06:39


      Anthoula Joshua - 2014-06-05 06:46

      Sadly I did.

  • Nino Diana - 2014-06-05 06:03

    So what's new ???

  • Deon Smit - 2014-06-05 06:11

    Why release her on bail because she is in a wheelchair, let her sit in jail. How many innocent people are dead or in wheel chairs because of her?

      Lois Bruce - 2014-06-05 08:24

      No mercy for those is wheelchairs!!

  • Erichsen Welgemoed - 2014-06-05 06:22

    haha to all your suckers that give your firearms away told ya so

      Vaal Koos - 2014-06-05 07:15

      Too lazy and stupid to write a simple exam.Probably thought the cops will protect them.

      Genet Joobs - 2014-06-05 10:28

      That is a bit harsh and thoughtless. I handed in my great uncles gun when he died. Just trying to be honest . But I thought at the time, wonder where it will end up. Cannot trust anyone in Public "Service"!!! in this country.

  • John Robert Francis King - 2014-06-05 06:23

    No, I can't believe that. Really. Well I never. Our police ....

  • Frans Van Der Merwe - 2014-06-05 06:33

    "May have sold" - Think you can drop the may ! If any persons were killed during one of these robberies they (and the Police) should be charged with murder.

  • Venasiù Johannes - 2014-06-05 06:36

    is that a fraud or a corruption any 2 answer please

      Vusi Lord V Mahlangu - 2014-06-05 08:18

      It's muder since those guns killed innocent Cash-in transit workers

  • Toby Clive Goss - 2014-06-05 06:37

    It is what has been said over and over. The licenced fire arms are owned by mostly qualified citizens. (sorry Oscar) Disarm them, and only the (bad)criminals will be armed (and the police)

      Genet Joobs - 2014-06-05 10:29

      Yes, you are so right.

  • Ruaan Van Der Merwe - 2014-06-05 06:40

    So why is GFSA so quiet now??? Wasn't they the people who urged legal gun owner to give there weapons in. So in fact GFSA gave the criminals more weapons. Way to go GFSA

      Catie Door - 2014-06-05 07:47

      Exactly! Well said!

  • Sakhiwo - 2014-06-05 06:45

    That's why i didn't hand-in mine to these corrupt cops.

  • Andrew McMurray - 2014-06-05 06:46

    If I remember correctly, the gunholder could actually insist on watching their weapon being destroyed.

  • John Stoltz - 2014-06-05 06:50

    And most of the current SAPS are either MK 's or deployed ANC cadres!! Why am I not surprised?? But it was said before, we are dealing with the 11 year old mentality! Corrupt incompetent imbeciles!!

  • Marco De Giovanni - 2014-06-05 06:53

    without question! It was planned from the begining

  • Kirsty Prinsloo - 2014-06-05 06:54

    Disgusting. These are suppose to be our protectors not assist the murderers.

  • Doep Briel - 2014-06-05 06:56

    "may have sold"? I guarantee it!

  • Wayne Anthony Faulds - 2014-06-05 06:57

    No surprises there then. Sadly.

  • kim.thorne.5 - 2014-06-05 06:59

    It would not surprise me at all!!

      Jacques Otto - 2014-06-05 07:08

      Sorry only idiots gave up their weapons. We all knew that this would happen. Also so typical lets do a make shift investigation 5 years down the line.

  • John Bass - 2014-06-05 07:01

    The ANC are worried about cartoons, sms and tweets when they should be more concerned about ALL the real crime that is going on in this country. Wake up you overpaid public servants and STOP all this crime and corruption.

      Mc Apple - 2014-06-05 07:39

      Why should they worry or even care. They are getting what they wanted.

  • Warwick Railton - 2014-06-05 07:04

    And that organization of useful idiots called GFSA said this would never happen – how’s that working for you??.......these organizations are as dangerous as the criminals we try protect ourselves from; they serve a corrupt anc elite............libtards. An armed people are citizens, unarmed people are subjects! An armed society is a polite society. It’s time to get rid of GFSA for the benefit of freedom loving people; they serve the anc and the anc only, not the people of SA. GFSA are as useful as sanral……………enough said.

  • Mark Aldridge - 2014-06-05 07:08

    Typical take the guns away from law abiding citizens and put it in the hands of criminals. ..great work keep it up

  • mark.g.vanniekerk - 2014-06-05 07:09

    That is exactly what the Government was planning from the start to take the guns away from the innocent and give it to the criminals. How do you think they pay for all their expensive cars. They will be happy when all the white people are dead and they are starving because there aren't any farmers.

  • Phillip Sitole - 2014-06-05 07:15

    And those guns sold by police illegal have killed so many people and robbed the nation atfer being sold.

  • arthur.salvado - 2014-06-05 07:32

    Abiding and complying with legislation will invariable aid criminals or corrupt officials. This is making SA a lawless society but hampering corruption and criminals. The lawlessness refer to is by lawful citizens deemed to be braking the law through outright distrust in the WHOLE government evidently corrupt and criminal

  • Catie Door - 2014-06-05 07:44

    "That some of these guns have been found in an illegal arms cache makes a mockery of South Africa's public commitment to safety and security by destroying stockpiles of weapons." --- Hahahahaha, wake up man! We new this was happening in 2009 already! Where have you been the last 5 years?

  • Charnel Claassen Lamb - 2014-06-05 07:55

    Corrupt Government. Corrupt SAPS. HELLO AFRICA !

  • sesom - 2014-06-05 07:59

    Did one expect anything better from these usless Police...Steal, Murder,Corrupt..Bring back the White Cops....

  • Edna Errenrich - 2014-06-05 08:02

    Wheel chair or not she must go to jail. She has contributed to many many peoples death and suffering who gives a toss if she is in a wheel chair. Take it away throw her in jail and let her grovel about. Why must she get off now?

      Lois Bruce - 2014-06-05 08:33

      No mercy for the wheelchair bound!!

  • Dieter Warschkuhl - 2014-06-05 08:08

    The only result of Gun Free South Africas drive was to make it easier to rob and kill the good guys.

  • Vusi Lord V Mahlangu - 2014-06-05 08:16

    So is safe to say that even the drugs that were found the other day are back on the street as we speak!

  • Linda Horsfield - 2014-06-05 08:17

    I cant believe that anyone in South Africa is surprised at the fact that the guns handed in for destruction were actually sold to criminals - I certainly am not. The accused should not be released on bail - they should rot in jail like the criminals they are - and they, and the corrupt police they obtained the guns from should all be charged with murder for any person killed with a gun that was handed in to the police and subsequently rented out.

  • Roddy Jardim - 2014-06-05 08:21

    Absolutely right.

  • Peter Webb - 2014-06-05 08:30

    That's why I handed my guns to a gun dealer

  • liz.fivaz1 - 2014-06-05 08:30

    How typical! So predictable! JZ you are Numba 1 and hide in your 245m Nkandla bunker while this country is falling to pieces right under your nose!

  • Sattva2 - 2014-06-05 08:32

    it is always an inside job! corrupt cops. the police force should be privatized !

  • William MacFarlane - 2014-06-05 08:34

    There's weapon control ? Wow what will think of next . Under this government nothing works , especially government .

  • shane.wentzel.5 - 2014-06-05 08:37

    I'm trying to act and look shocked at this news. How am I doing?

  • Mac Xolani Mabanga - 2014-06-05 08:49

    Whomever handed in his firearm is a fool, me personaly I don't trust anything or anyone in this government nx!!! cops are the worse scams of this country

  • Denton Fourie - 2014-06-05 09:00

    How stupid are people to have handed there guns to police in the first place?