Court rejects DA's bid to debate motion

2012-11-22 14:28

Cape Town - The Western Cape High Court has dismissed an urgent application by the Democratic Alliance to force a parliamentary debate on a motion of no confidence in President Jacob Zuma.

In his ruling on Thursday afternoon, Judge Dennis Davis said there were gaps in National Assembly rules, but found it was not for the court to dictate to Parliament.

Democratic Alliance parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko officially gave notice of the motion on behalf of opposition parties in the National Assembly on November 8.

She brought the motion on the grounds "that under his [Zuma's] leadership the justice system has been politicised and weakened; corruption has spiralled out of control; unemployment continues to increase, the economy is weakening, and the right of access to quality education has been violated".

She approached the court for an urgent application compelling National Assembly Speaker Max Sisulu to schedule a debate and vote on the motion before Parliament goes into recess.

Last week, Sisulu adjourned an Assembly programming committee meeting without the debate being scheduled, on the basis that no consensus had been reached.

The other respondent in the application is ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga, who has described the motion as "frivolous and without foundation".

  • gembleton1 - 2012-11-22 14:31

    A sad day in SA

      cindy.deutschmann.5 - 2012-11-22 14:33

      I'd like to read the Judgement to see the argument/logic of Justice Davis

      fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-11-22 14:43

      Jip, but the ANC committed to March 2013. Will see if they keep their word. Sad indeed.

      claudia.meads - 2012-11-22 14:44

      The motion was brought by SA's collective opposition - one of the key reasons: "...the justice system has been politicised and weakened..." Yet the same 'politicised and weakened' justice system now has to make a judgement (against itself.., by default) - did anybody expect any other outcome..? Very, very dark days ahead for South Africa. Get out while you still can...

      tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-11-22 14:46

      what sad day, its a normal day. we have came to accept this from JZ leadership

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-22 14:56

      Well we all know in whos pocket the courts are anyway!

      katleho.mdlalose - 2012-11-22 14:59

      A sad day? Oh please, the courts should not interfere with Parliament. This debate seems futile. The ANC have more than 60% of the Naitonal Assembly votes, any vote to remove JZ will fail. Stop waisting time DA, focus your attention on convincing people on the ground why they need your vote.

      michael.horton.566790 - 2012-11-22 15:15

      The court only ruled that the urgency was not necessary... The vote of no confidence is still going to go forth in Feb next year! Bit longer than we hoped but its still going to happen!

      luther.kingsley.5 - 2012-11-22 15:58

      You can accuse the pre 1994 regime of many things but you can never accuse them of incompetence and laziness... they had discipline, drive, vision and bull$hit like this would never happen on their watch. Respond anyway you want, I dont care.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-22 16:03

      Timmy: How dare you pre judge and say ots only white people! There are plenty comments on this site made by blacks who feel the same way! Take your racial profiling somewhere else!

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-11-22 21:16

      Study the judgements handed down by Dennis Davis, he bends over backwards to find for the underdog. Since no Judge can be fired he definitely wasn't trying to protect his job.

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-23 08:25

      WOW! ANOTHER FAT LOSS FOR LINDIWE! Look like she wants to start the festive season more trimed. Where is her sarogate mother? I heard she want to take the matter to constitutional court. Great!! Another opportunity for FAT LOSS!! Cant waite!Judges are rational, free from wickedness and can see beyond! Give them a long rope Msholozi!

      pidi.fourie - 2012-11-23 08:49

      A sad day. Really? Can someone please explain to me why the DA and the other opposition parties had to wait until 2 weeks before the close of parliament to bring the motion of No Confidence? They are all well aware of the rules of Parliament, and none of the reasons enumerated in the Motion is exactly new. In any urgent Court Application you cannot create your own urgency, which is exactly what the opposition did here. This is nothing but a publicity stunt by the opposition, and possibly an attempt to influence the ANC conference in Mangaung in December. Not that I think that would work, as the ANC is well known for not listening to anybody, especially when they talk sense. I'm all for getting rid if the incompetent and idiotic person we call our president, but everyone (including the opposition) should follow the rules. If the opposition parties were serious about the motion of no confidence, they should have tabled the debate much earlier in the year, when most of the debacles mentioned in the motion occurred.

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-23 08:58

      @ Claudia,tshepo et al! Why did you go to courts in the first place! Shifting goal posts,damage control and crying foul has become your known character! Some cant complete a sentence without JZ. What are you talking about in your DA meetings? I wish I can attend one! It shoud be one this mourning sessions with Zille as the chief mourner! People have the option to leave this country at free will. They have never been patriotic and never will! Sour grapes has become their nature especially at black success, which is always associated with crime and corruption. There are still lot of optimistic white people in SA and many are succeeding!

      pierre.devilliers.9231 - 2012-11-23 10:39

      I am curious why it would be a sad day. The Western Cape is not really running that smoothly either, why not have a vote of no confidence in Helen Zilla? Its all just a bit of a political stunt isn’t it? Then the people that are so “sad”, you are not really very trustworthy of picking a good president either. Thabo Mbeki was a good president (on only R 1 million a year), but you shouted him out. None of you were really pleased with Nelson Mandela either, but more important what were your voting hisotry prior to ’94. Don’t answer I can guess.

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-23 10:44

      @ Pidi> this is nothing but an afterthought in the grand scheme of things! Wickedness knows no timing or has patience!

      crab.spotter - 2012-11-24 10:17

      Surely a sad day for SA; can a judge nowadays deliver a clean and objective ruling without wondering if it will upset the ruling party and possibly spoil a promising career path?

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-22 14:32

    Anything anit cANCer is without foundation. They are protecting Zuma with everything they have.

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 09:50

      get a life save your heart! politics and judiciary are not for the weaklings and opportunist!

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-23 11:03

      The wicked will cry and claim Justice system is politisised! Because it suits them. Too much of everything is dangerous and failer leeds to more failer. When any orgnisation exposes its self to situations that leads to failer, people tend to associate that organisation to failer! Hence dillusionment and actual LOSS OF CONFIDENCE! DA is increasingly loosing ground for actual opposition role in parliament. Should they continue will personality politics they will suffer a great deal of credibility! DA remains a white party pushing the interests of minority. It is not pro-workers and middle class! Look no fether than comments of DA members on any labour issue on this blog! You will naturally not agree with me, I know!

  • peter.ndamase - 2012-11-22 14:33

    The court can protect him but Mangaung will reject him!!!

      shannon.moffett.9 - 2012-11-22 14:40

      Lets hope so, but indications are that he will get a second term!

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-22 15:29

      Problem is -who will fill his shoes?

      mamba.white.12 - 2012-11-22 15:32

      Peter - he will get a second term. In my opinion á good thing for SA. Under his "dictatorship" the past 4 years SA has slid down the drain at alarming speed. A next term will bring us sooner to the point where we can begin to rebuilt SA for the benifit of all it's citizens.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-11-22 16:11

      I am wondering what SA would be like at the end of Zuma's second term.

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-22 17:28

      u wish, let us wait and see

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 09:52

      you are in for a shock!

  • Msika - 2012-11-22 14:34

    How much did the bribe the judge for??

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-22 14:41

      Gave him a goverment tender and a holiday house in KZN compound.

      amelia.basson - 2012-11-22 14:45

      With our money!

      mary.sadler.35 - 2012-11-22 14:49

      The judge made the right decision. The court cannot prescribe what Parliament must do unless it has to do with legal matters.

      eric.viljoen - 2012-11-22 14:57

      Calling a debate on a motion of no confidence is a Constitutional right @Lang Henning

      justsayingagain - 2012-11-22 15:03

      Now now guys....dangerous to jump to uneducated conclusions here...the law is a strange beast at the best of times. I would like to think this fight was lost on purely legal grounds. Let us not condemn the entire judiciary based on a few dodgy Zuma appointments

      lorna.sisusa - 2012-11-22 15:42

      Msika Gama if you know nothing about separation of powers, why dont you just keep quiet.. judges are independant, they are only subject to the law and the constitution and their concurrancy to the chapter 9 institutions. Not everything will always favour your side. YOU MORON!!!

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-22 15:50

      No bribery required. Dennis Davis is so far up the ANC's backside, I suspect he is the lump on the back of Zuma's head.

      allan.keyzer - 2012-11-22 15:52

      No need to bribe the judge he is an ANC card carrying member

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-22 17:29

      i am sure the white people are very happy to have u on their side mr gama

      mary.sadler.35 - 2012-11-23 07:46

      You're absolutely right, Eric, butg they were in the wrong court. According to section 167(4)(e) of the Constitution 1996 only the Constitutional Court may decide that the President has failed to fulful a constitutional obligation; as well as section 167(5).

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 09:53

      stupid question from a pea size brain.

  • christo.piek.5 - 2012-11-22 14:34

    Didn't expect anything else from Dennis Davis!

      stefans.mkhawane - 2012-11-22 15:24

      Of course you wont expect anything in that he ruled against the DA. However Judge Davis is one of the outspoken judges and therefore your bitter statement does not have a basis. Hellen Zille always says 'there is a rule of law in South Africa'and that I would like to believe does not only apply when the judgements goes in favour of the DA only. In this case I believe the DA did not manage to convince the judge and did not have a proper understanding of the laws governing Parliamentary proceedings. What did you expect from inexperienced Lindiwe Mazibuko, but this I hope will encourage her to spend time familiarising herself with the laws of Parliament.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-22 15:51

      One thing that Dennis Davis can NEVER be accused of, is impartiality ;-)

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-11-22 21:45

      Even me, what a Judge!! Kwaaakwaaa!!!!

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 09:56

      turning your back on one of your own? very sad.

  • Msika - 2012-11-22 14:34

    How much did they bribe the judge for?? I wonder.

  • lyndol.lyons - 2012-11-22 14:35

    Are you %&*$ kidding me!!!!

  • heini.botes - 2012-11-22 14:35

    Expected as much. Cadres cadres everywhere. No one in his right mind can argue that SA have not gone to cr*p under Zoomer. Is there anything left that's not been corrupted?

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-11-22 15:52

      A white independent judge is suddenly a cadre? You lot are no different from the likes of Blade and Malema who go on and on about counter-revolutionary judges. Can we respect this ruling please.

  • ramapusi - 2012-11-22 14:37

    The Western Cape High Court dismissed DA's bid. Our courts are independandt.

      shannon.moffett.9 - 2012-11-22 14:41

      And if the opposition had lost you would have said they were not independent?

      joe.farmer.92775 - 2012-11-22 14:42

      pity the WC isn't

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-11-22 15:26

      @!Shannon and same can be said about you. Unless you say you accept the verdict and we move on, but you will now say they must have been influenced. Our country can't be run by the Court

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-22 20:49

      no they r not if they don't rule in favour of the DA, they r only independent when they rule in favour of them

  • brendan.vogt.1 - 2012-11-22 14:38

    The other respondent in the application is ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga, who has described the motion as "frivolous and without foundation". FFS Buddy, just look around you and see how South Africa is Burning. "Geeeeezzzz, talk about Stuck On Stupid !!!"

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-11-22 15:17

      A silly court case wont make any difference to that

  • charl.malan.12 - 2012-11-22 14:39

    Pathetic, another person bribed!

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-11-22 21:48

      Yes, briber charl.malan.12!! Kwaakwaaa, you are so pathetic, go back to where you come from, bloody agent!! Kwaaakwaaa!

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 09:59

      you are so used to bribing you think everybody can be bribed!

  • Gary.desousa7 - 2012-11-22 14:40

    As a strong DA supporter I do think the judge was right,this is not an urgent debate and the speaker of the house has agreeded to have it in the new year. Let all the parties who supported the call now spend time trying to unite as one against the anc rather and lets really have one strong opposition.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-11-22 14:56

      With that i can agree !

      andrew.hendrikse - 2012-11-22 15:02

      It could have made interesting politics if the debate went ahead. But the ANC would have stood behind Zuma in Parliament. No-one wanting to showing their hand before the December conference.

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-11-22 15:18

      Agree completely. The DA should be concentrating on putting forward some solid policies of their own, rather than opportunistic nonsense like this

      nick.collis.16 - 2012-11-22 15:48

      Agree with you Gary....also the DA were using the motion to drive a wedge between the pro and anti ANC members ahead of their elective conference. As a DA supporter I can say "nice try but it didn't work ...lets move on ".

  • amelia.basson - 2012-11-22 14:43

    There goes our last chance to save this country ...

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-11-22 21:50

      There goes amelia.basson to bring back apartheid through the bac door, sorry, you thought you can outwit Judge Dennis Davis? Kwaaaakwaaa?

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:03


  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-11-22 14:45

    He wins a court case again? Yeses uya Thakata u baba Zuma.. I respect your sangoma TJO.. From Arms dea l, rape case and debate cases??? That Sangoma must be from Mhlaboyalingana

      Juda - 2012-11-22 15:09

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

  • lorenzo.adrian - 2012-11-22 14:45

    Jacob lives another day

  • fabrizio.brazzale - 2012-11-22 14:45

    Well there goes the one and only chance to rectify what this fool of a man has done to our country, independent courts...yeah right!! Please dear god let the ANC see the light!!

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:04

      you are so brainwashed thinking that courts are stupid!

  • tolo.maano - 2012-11-22 14:46

    I can tel some 1 received some threats call last nite

  • lyndol.lyons - 2012-11-22 14:47

    Have they rejected the motion entirely or are they rejecting having it done urgently?

      Gary.desousa7 - 2012-11-22 14:55

      rejecting the urgency. The speaker of parliment and the majority have agreed to have the debate in th new year, parliment closes tomorrow I think.

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:05

      read the judgement!

  • tumisang.kolobe - 2012-11-22 14:48

    Its definitely not urgent, they are shameless and making a mockery of the parliamentary and constitutional bodies!!!Dismiss with Costs

      neo.motsepe - 2012-11-22 14:52

      Shame on you!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-22 15:11

      Actually no, that is how a democracy is supposed to work...

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-11-22 21:27

      Sad day my foot, you still do not understand the separation of powers. Did you guys really thought judges will not apply an informed decision because that lady from Swazini...thinks she is big woman ? !!!

  • bryan.culross - 2012-11-22 14:51

    Please note that many high court rulings are overturned on appeal ... so this ruling should not be seen as the last say on the matter.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-11-22 14:59

      Agreed ! - 2012-11-22 15:37

      Is there a petition? Where do I sign?

      mamba.white.12 - 2012-11-22 15:42

      ..I believe that if it is not debated before tomorrow (start of recess) it automatically falls by the wayside. Is that why Davis postpone the verdict for 48 hours?????

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-23 13:30

      Go ahead denialists of note! Make a mockery of yourself! It works for us. DA is the one that gets hurt, others like COPE(one man party with a single agenda) has nothing to loose as they nolonger have membership! Their disruptive agenda is loosing them credibility and borders on the maturity of its leaders! Removing Zuma is more of playing the politics of ANC for the ANC!

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-11-22 14:52

    The 2 faced anc members in parliament that oppose Jz but refused to stand up and say something or back this motion directly are a bunch of USELESS SPINELESS NUCKFUTS!!!

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:07

      because they oppose JZ you think they are in love with your pathetic DA?

  • Brad - 2012-11-22 14:55

    Thought so. It's the correct decision. The courts cannot interfere in legislative process. I support this decision even if it isn't what we all want. Honestly, I don't think the opposition parties believed they would win either. It was a publicity stunt carefully calculated to sow more division within the ANC before Mangaung. Money well spent.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-11-22 15:00


      justsayingagain - 2012-11-22 15:06

      Ditto - and half the battle is for the 'other side' to be good losers when fight goes the other way. It is so much more civilised. - 2012-11-22 15:38

      But the problem is, if there is too much corruption for members to address issues in the National Assembly process, who else is there to turn to?

  • desmond.drake.1 - 2012-11-22 14:55

    Its true. This fool "they" call the president controls the judiciary

      sibonile.ngubane - 2012-11-22 15:19

      A very clever ''Fool'' hey?? Desmond don't you think?

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-11-22 21:55

      I'm told you just arrived here & when they told Mandela is out of prison you said they were joking. Wake up, the so-called fools are ruling & go to hell my friend, your friend satan is waiting for you! Kwaaakwaaaa!!!

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-11-22 21:56

      I'm told you just arrived here & when they told Mandela is out of prison you said they were joking. Wake up, the so-called fools are ruling & go to hell my friend, your friend satan is waiting for you! Kwaaakwaaaa!!!

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:08


  • zwe.ndlovu.7 - 2012-11-22 14:56

    Viva Zuma Viva

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-22 17:32

      Viva Msholozi omakhandakhanda viva

      Zahir - 2012-11-22 18:14

      The anc wants to rule till jesus returns the only way they can is if they keep masses as dof as possible but just with enough iq to draw a cross in a square block next to zuma face

      ganon.nhubunga - 2012-11-22 21:56


      morris.khunou - 2012-11-23 13:41

      @Zahir > you have the option of creating your majority with the type of mind you want! STOP DRINKING TOO MUCH OF MAMPURU AND DRINKING CHEAP BRANDY! Start breeding like rabbits not like ducks with two eggs! That way you will be many and begin to no how big numbers lead to poverty, unemployment and quality of education. Your people will start to revolt against you and the cycle begins!

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-22 14:57

    as sober as a judge, matter is not urgent and court cannot dictate to parliament. i told you so. lol

      sibonile.ngubane - 2012-11-22 15:54

      Nd I remember vividly well when u did that, but bcos you are black, stupid, moron, uneducated idiot no one took notice of what you were saying. Who's kicking stones now with hands inside their pockets nd who's having the last nd loud lough?? ''The Moron''Siyabonga Phungula!!

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-11-22 20:33

      Actually, the ANC only won once they changed their statement and said the motion could be debated but it was not urgent. That idiot Motshekga first rejected it remember? That is the DA took the matter to court. Had they not taken it to court, the ANC would not have changed tune and said it could be debated. Bloody morons have sheep following them blindly and thoughtlessly, like oyu siyabonga

  • michael.jackwood - 2012-11-22 14:59

    I would be very suprised if this has gone the other way around, Lindiwe Mazibuko didnt apply her mind, she is being misled bay Terror Lekota who infact is trying to dissorganise parliament to settle political score he suffered in 2007 ANC conference, if i was Madam i would replace this young lady with a mature candidate who think with brains and not emmotions!

      Brad - 2012-11-22 15:00

      She did apply her mind. Read my post at 14:55.

      michael.jackwood - 2012-11-22 15:23

      This county democracy can grow when oppostion parties know what their responsibilities are, but what i see is an opposition group that want to remove the President and always criticising the rulling governing party, things dont work like that, give us an allternative policies, reasons to vote for you!

  • hezekiel.lefopane - 2012-11-22 15:05

    It was all about publicity just like visiting Nkandla...

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-11-22 15:05

    Rotten and corrupt to the very core

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:10

      who, the judge?

  • fulufheloprogiga.mukhodobwane - 2012-11-22 15:05

    Thnx mr Judge, U've extended his rope, as da saying goes like, Give our Pres a long rope n he will.................................................

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-11-22 15:07

    Well is this any surprise.....I dont think so. The ANC is just slowly destroying themselves the ship is already listing and the Captain will soon go down with the ship. Well at least the ANC know how people feel about Zuma, that they still wish to support him for another turn will only confirm they only care about themselves and not about the organization. - 2012-11-22 15:42

      As much as I'd like to believe so, I don't have much faith in people's ability to think for themselves... They have the wool pulled over their eyes too easily.

      jo.vankatwijk - 2012-11-22 15:46

      Hopefully, in that case, the "Captain" will leave the ship before it sinks. Then we can still salvage it.

  • walter.ramapakela - 2012-11-22 15:07

    The courts must protect our democracy,i havent read the judgement yet to see the logic of the judge

  • gregory.martin.5070 - 2012-11-22 15:09

    Is this the "Judge For Yourself" judge?

      thulanit3 - 2012-11-22 15:18

      Lol, yep

      arthur.marks.754 - 2012-11-22 15:19

      @gregory.martin.5070, yes, that's him.

  • Karabo Phetoane - 2012-11-22 15:09

    I told you that Lindiwe always read the script from her masters and she doesn't apply her mind and this time she was misled by Lekota who is always drunk and think with his backside.This matter was not urgent and parliamentary processes have to be followed not court processes.It looks like this morons want to use the judiciary to undermine the legislative process and parliament.

      neo.motsepe - 2012-11-22 15:21

      I hear what you saying, I still think you are missing the bigger picture.

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-23 15:00

      neo what is the bigger picture?

  • sipho.dube.92 - 2012-11-22 15:10

    Only the ANC may decide in Mangaung whether Jacob Zuma remains or not , not the opposition. The people of the country through votes will decide if they want Zuma or not.

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-22 15:28

      But it's not the people who choose, Sipho. The ANC Elective Conference has already been rigged in Zuma's favour

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-11-22 20:09

      The poeple of the country? The 5000 or so that will be in Mangaung to vote for the corrupt thief hardly constitute the "people of the country"

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:14

      sipho you are spot on! why are Godzille's supporters interfering with ANC issues? we don't care what happens in their party and they must get a life bedore they die young because of heart attacks!

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-11-22 15:10

    What a load of bull twang! Funny how ± 88 people die in SA every day on average, but in a country at war, the numbers are much less per day. Because of so-called loop-holes in the system the ones who are responsible for these deaths are being hailed as gods because the justice system is afraid to make decisions. What next?

  • manqoba.zulu.54 - 2012-11-22 15:11

    We have lost the case and our advisors Lekota and Buthelezi were wrong, what do we do next: zzzzzzzzzz: lets be barbaric, let's call them names, let's insult the intelligence of the judge, even though some of us are STD 8 but we can't be passive, let's do something kwaaaaaa lol: you guys are pathetic, accept the loss and move on Viva ANC viva

      sibonile.ngubane - 2012-11-22 15:35

      Gqiiiim!!Gilikidi!! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! Where are we? New York? Naaah it looks like some where in Inkandla... Kwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Loughing for days man! Yoh! But lets face it mfe2 maybe the judge was stupid, moron, uneducated, idiot, white outside nd black inside nd mayb not even so sober for that matter!! Huh?

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-22 15:48


  • zmvulane - 2012-11-22 15:12

    There you have it! The motion was frivolous and without foundatio! Now let's hear what the DA experts on seperation of powers have to say!

  • braamc - 2012-11-22 15:12

    The filthy thieve will just do what wants

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-22 17:36

      u mean ur one and only president

  • thulanit3 - 2012-11-22 15:13

    Lol, opportunists,,,now what Inspector Zille.

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-22 20:54

      hahahahaha senior public protector Zille, shame. um sure she is crying now

  • james.otter.10 - 2012-11-22 15:17

    The constitution needs changing so that the President is democratically elected. The electorate would never have elected this individual. This was an opportunity to depose JZ as president, since all the opposition and half the ANC want rid of him. Another 5 years of him and his sycophants will severely damage this country. On a positive note since he is in effect the ANC, the shift to the DA will be significant. What is sad is that a party of such history and high ideals as the ANC could allow such an individual to become its leader.

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-22 15:29

      Well said, James

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:17

      so who is interfering with the judiciary now? because things did not go your way the constitution needs to be changed? your pathetic.

  • webstorm.isp.5 - 2012-11-22 15:20

    Cant we go toi toi, burn down some buildings, cause havoc everywhere and then they will automatically change it? Seems to be the way its done around here?

  • phelelani.sukude - 2012-11-22 15:20

    Free political lesson by the judge..No sphere of gvt should dictate to another.

  • jenny.smithvos - 2012-11-22 15:21

    It really boggles my mind that there are people on this forum who actually are happy that the DA did not won this one. How can any person in their right mind be happy seeing their own people suffer under Zuma’s dictatorship and then still support him.

      paul.makhudu1 - 2012-11-23 10:18

      because people on this blog use racism and insults to get their facts to be appreciated!

  • thys.human.75 - 2012-11-22 15:22

    Judge Davies said tt it was for the court to dictate to Parliament. That is absolute clear, absolutely correct and totally constitutional - whether you like or not. It was totally improper for anyone to go to court in the first place to try and tell Parliament how it must conduct its business.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-11-22 20:13

      You are wrong. The only reason judge Dennis Davis could not rule in favour of the DA is because the ANC changed and said the motion could be debated, when the reason they were taken to court was because they rejected any debate on the corrupt Zuma

  • hezekiel.lefopane - 2012-11-22 15:22

    DA n Cope should be assisting homeless people of lanasia than wasting money on frivolous matters.. They good in criticising than implementing..let's see what next for red-lips

  • abel.lecheko - 2012-11-22 15:23

    his shows the misunderstanding of governance by these opposition parties. How can they want rule the country through the courts. The parliament is the place where rules of the country are manufactured and given to courts. If the majority in the parliament is against a motion, it simply cannot go on, where does a court come in?

      webstorm.isp.5 - 2012-11-22 15:32

      The ANC is the majority in parliament, so what you are saying here is that there is actually no need for any other party to be there cause what the ANC wants the will just vote for in majority. Hardly seems fair does it?

  • muzi.mhlongo.56 - 2012-11-22 15:24

    a counter revolutionary judge out to maintain the status quo.

  • Mpotsiseng - 2012-11-22 15:26

    You cannot win again the dictatorship... Next up e-tolling... There's no constitution here.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-11-22 15:27

    The justice system has been politicised and weakened.There are a lot of people holding office, especially magistrates who are corrupt not only now but also during the years of apartheid.Ask me I know.

      neo.motsepe - 2012-11-22 15:35

      I couldn't agree more.

  • nhlahla.sibiya.796 - 2012-11-22 15:33

    The ruling is a victory for our democracy ,cause i still argue that it is the ANC that made him the president not the court nor the parliament ,then manguag will decide on his fate