Court stops dismissal of 600 soldiers

2012-12-10 14:34

Johannesburg - A North Gauteng High Court ruling preventing the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) from firing about 600 soldiers was welcomed by the SA National Defence Union (Sandu) on Monday.

The ruling was handed down on Friday in Pretoria, Sandu national secretary Pikkie Greeff said in a statement.

The Sandu members were accused of disobeying a command to return to base, after participating in an illegal march on the Union Buildings in 2009.

Hundreds of them were initially placed on special leave, but they were apparently fired, without hearings, in October.

On 20 August, the Supreme Court of Appeal found that the SANDF had been unfair in not following correct dismissal processes, but upheld its right to maintain and manage a disciplined military force as required by the Constitution.

According to Greeff, notices appeared in two newspapers in November informing the soldiers that they had 10 days to motivate why they should not be dismissed. They also received registered letters conveying the same information. "The [North Gauteng] High Court on Friday found that the newspaper advertisements were unlawful and unconstitutional as was the subsequent notice sent to members."

The SANDF was not immediately available for comment.

  • rsole.sole - 2012-12-10 14:41

    What a joke, and this is whats keeping us safe at night. Be afraid be very afraid.

      Matthew - 2012-12-10 15:10

      I honestly had to make sure it wasnt April 1st when reading this nonsense. They disobeyed orders but get special leave?!?! what the hell has happened to this country...

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-12-10 15:23

      @ Matthew - As did I - Storming the office op the "Supreme Commander" is an offence punishable by death in some parts of the world. Send the lot of them to DB's for life.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-12-10 15:57

      It is just a pity we were not informed as to the reasons for the 'illegal march'. The army is not well-known for looking after it's members, so it is still a question whether the reason for the march has been addressed and solved. These are men and women contributing a bit more to the safety of our country than you and I, so they should be treated for what they are worth and not in the way the puppet-master dictates.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-12-10 15:57

      SA's version of the statue of anc

      lsfreak - 2012-12-10 16:29

      A joke alright... What happened to been AWOL?? Take these guys to the DRC a shoot them when they turn and WTF :/

      shaun.miekle - 2012-12-10 18:24

      Shoot the useless f"""ers

  • bevan.carpenter.1 - 2012-12-10 14:43

    a essential service like defense force and teachers are not permitted to strike, where is the consuion...?

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-10 15:58

      Not pemitted to strike? Hu! He! Only permitted to be paid peanuts?

      mine.whitey - 2012-12-10 16:26

      Carpenter, not even pay tax right?

  • Eterni80 - 2012-12-10 14:51

    welcome to SA - land of the free and home of the wtf was that ?

  • dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2012-12-10 14:52

    LOL - go on. Keep on doing what you are doing. We will be invaded by lesotho's reserve force at this rate. Pathetic.

      roman.caesar.121 - 2012-12-10 15:03

      than u must be the 1st one to stand guard at the borders

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-10 15:34

      Lesotho's army did give the SANDF a good once-over a a few years ago, our soldiers had to retreat to a safe distance or face annihalation

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2012-12-10 15:36

      *Then *you And I did my border duty thanks. Now it's up to your fat lazy cadres to do some "wek"

      kalabafazi - 2012-12-10 16:22

      I did my border duty too, and if you went for a p!$$ without the proper authority you were severally disciplined.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-12-10 14:56

    The ANC government is responsible for making such lawa whereby mutinous soldiers cannot be fired. In actual fact they should all have been dishonourably discharged. may God protect SA from ever being attacked or threatened because Girl Scouts platoon has more fighting spirit and discipline than our present Army!

      fussed.anderson - 2012-12-10 15:59

      The did have a dishonourably discharged. Wankers

  • gary.desousa.5 - 2012-12-10 15:00

    A good opportunity to cull the rubbish.

  • dbo.kacebisa - 2012-12-10 15:07

    Now for a fresher take.... Aren't we worried abt crimes they might just commit after the training they have or they are just a bunch of mampara's?

  • clive.wannenburg - 2012-12-10 15:08

    I am left speachless???

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-10 15:51

      Just hang on a bit more, you will see some really rilly great stuff in the near future.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-12-10 16:01

      sandf sa's new listed pvt company

  • Yosi Sesoana - 2012-12-10 15:11

    good well done,they were forced to go on street, becourse of this government.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 15:56

      @Yosi...This government you say, don't you mean their government, the one they voted for and keep voting for. 600 soldiers, 63% ANC win each election, it would be safe to say about 378 of them voted ANC. You get what you vote for, no sympathy here!! How safe do you think our country is with this kind of lawlessness from our defense force, or doesn't that matter to you?

  • aroka.murombe - 2012-12-10 15:13

    People comment on staff they don't know anything about just talk talk and talk nonsense. I was in the army for f**kn 2 year 2007 to 209 believe me I was paid 1800 a month. F**k this guys did well and went on strike....

  • kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-10 15:23

    Weren't they supposed to have been court marshalled, and have been dishonourably discharged? How come a civilian court rules on military matters? Or is this just done in proper first world militaries?

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-10 15:25

      And how the hell can soldiers belong to a union? Good greef

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-10 15:36

      DA has done it several times sprinting to courts on parliamentary issues and you were silent, what are u on about?

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-10 15:42

      We are talking about an defence force, an army you nit wit. Not of incompetent fools with sheltered employment stealing tax payers' money

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-10 15:48

      Whatever, you idiotic dumb nut.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 15:58

      Ignore khetu, he spews gibberish to say the least. A racist little moron with a chip on his shoulder and a thing for the DA

  • Lana Van Der Berg - 2012-12-10 15:33

    If this country ever gets invaded I hope they get the union and these soldiers first! There are a lot of career soldiers that take pride in serving! They should all be bloody ashamed of themselves!

  • willem.dehaan.94 - 2012-12-10 15:35

    Why do the guys in the photo carry old .303 rifles? Not enough new guns around or were they all stolen or sold to the criminal element?

      Suzanne Viljoen - 2012-12-10 17:11

      @willemdehaan. Yes the weapons that were legal were given in they were not destroyed. People have been disarmed. Clever of them neh

  • Dennis - 2012-12-10 15:37

    Can you imagine giving these d$$$heads an order to jump out of the trench and attack the machine gun nest. What a hoot. Pathetic excuses for military men. Pathetic excuses for men and woman period. AWOL is a military crime and not a CCMA issue.

      Maimela Serongoanyane David - 2013-05-04 22:21

      You are mad who were on Awol.

  • mmoledis - 2012-12-10 15:41

    SANDF should not be the law unto itself by disobeying court orders as that will show South Africans that law is for certain individuals if they can not obey court. As I have witnessed that,SANDF is wrong because of its leaders failure to lead it properly,they knew that application for the march was made and never cancelled it in time,again no one from Defence force and even SANDF went there to attend problems of the soldiers and as such used police to provoke soldiers who were not even violent by fireing at them rubber bullets and water Cannon,government should appoint proper leaders for SANDF and not people who practices dictatorship, yes soldiers should not go on strike but they are the one who gave them a go ahead first and also who made situation to be worse, so I hope as court have ruled SANDF will allow those poor soldiers to go back to work and also be allowed to go to courses and be promoted too, this is democratic country where everybody has rights so they need to be treated too as human beings with rights and lastly as South African citizens and not animals.

      Dennis - 2012-12-10 15:58


  • KCorsar - 2012-12-10 15:47

    SANDF 'fires' soldiers, whatever happened to a dishonourable discharge at a court martial - or has the ANC led army gone so soft they are clueless on military discipline. Disobeying an order is a court martial offence, punishable with detention or discharge. Even worse is the 'special leave' result, lock the dimwits up in hard labour camps and chuck the key away!!

  • daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-12-10 15:50

    Once proud SADF reduced to this. Kicked the Cubans asses for 15yrs and new SANDF got a blood nose from LESOTHO. I see why. I got paid R250pm to do my duty for those who complain.

  • msika.gama.5 - 2012-12-10 15:53

    Fire the lot, it's not like they have anything to do anyway.

  • francois.dutoit.167 - 2012-12-10 16:10

    IRONY: When the capability of your NATIONAL sports team outstrips the capability of your NATIONAL D.F. ...ooooh...mufasa!

  • clivegoss - 2012-12-10 16:22

    Joke ha ha ha I am NOT laughing

  • annie.israel.50 - 2012-12-10 16:23

    This is scandulous. I remember the old SANDF as one of the best military force IN THE WORLD - The ance is a disgrace - I subscribe to the Time Magazine and the articles on South Africa is NOT GOOD - as i have mentioned before ZUMA THE WORLD IS WATCHING U - They are fully aware of how CORRUPT U ARE - You have the DEVIL in you - YOU DISGUST ME!!

  • mokgadi.choshi - 2012-12-10 16:44

    I hope those soldiers will be reinstated because they are military trained and with the knowledge they possess of firearm training if they lose their job then they are going 2 do heist!

  • John - 2012-12-10 16:47

    Soldiers are employees. Employees have rights! The thick upper management including Sisulu the political appointee need to learn procedure!

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