Court to rule on motion debate

2012-11-22 07:27

Johannesburg - The Western Cape High Court will rule on Thursday on an application by the DA to compel the speaker of the National Assembly to schedule a motion of no confidence debate on President Jacob Zuma.

Democratic Alliance parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko officially gave notice of the motion on behalf of opposition parties in the National Assembly on November 8.

She brought the motion on the grounds "that under his [Zuma's] leadership the justice system has been politicised and weakened; corruption has spiralled out of control; unemployment continues to increase, the economy is weakening, and the right of access to quality education has been violated".

She approached the court for an urgent application compelling National Assembly Speaker Max Sisulu to schedule a debate and vote on the motion before Parliament goes into recess.

Last week, Sisulu adjourned an Assembly programming committee meeting without the debate being scheduled, on the basis that no consensus had been reached.

The other respondent in the application is ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga, who has described the motion as "frivolous and without foundation".

The court heard the urgent application on Tuesday. Judge Dennis Davis reserved judgment until a National Assembly debate on Wednesday.

He is expected to rule on the application on Thursday.

  • ziso.maziso - 2012-11-22 07:35

    ready or not, here it comes!!

      Thandeka2Luv - 2012-11-22 08:06

      Has Lindiwe been promoted from her position as executive team manager?

      sean.carbutt - 2012-11-22 08:09

      LOL, your choice of words so want me to finish the rest of that song - by The Fugees

      brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-22 08:11

      Oh you again Thandeka2Luv! You seriously have become lower than troll. Further comments to you are seriously not worth the energy. You're........nothing!

      mfrater - 2012-11-22 08:13

      I really hope the judgement is to force the debate. But still two issues remain, 1. can the DA prove their allegations and 2. a motion has to be voted on, and remember that the ANC still has the vito vote.. so what difference does this all make?

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:18

      MWF - there are a lot of people withi the anc that are very unhappy with what zuma has allowed the anc to descend into. My guess is that a huge amount of anc votes could go against him, if it would seal his demise. It's really no differtent to the anc on anc vote of no confidence that zuma and allies orchestrated on Mbeki. See - the only problem with the ruling 'powers' is that their motto is "Don't do unto us what we do unto others"

      mfrater - 2012-11-22 08:23

      @alan, nope I disagree, unless that motion is done in confidence! Because if it is not, then those same people you talk of will be too scared to vote against him. Doesnt matter though, I'm not sure why the DA is so concerned. Mangaung is next month and he'll likely have to step down anyway.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:29

      @MWF - for sure there will be political ramifications for everybody that votes against zoomzoom. That is why I say that they will probably only vote agaist him if there are enough of them against him (plus the opposition parties) to make sure he is ousted. But it can happen - it happened to Mbeki....

      mfrater - 2012-11-22 08:46

      @alan, indeed, lets hope. The next question is though, who will replace him? given the options I can't see the matter bettering the current situation either way. What we need is a new party in charge, not just a new head on the current monster :(

  • greggail.garnie - 2012-11-22 07:36

    Hoping that justice will prevail and accountability to the people of SA upheld.

      jocelia.petrick - 2012-11-22 08:45

      Not in Africa!

      Thandeka2Luv - 2012-11-22 09:23

      I make tea wearing a kanga lol

  • rose.ndhlovu.3 - 2012-11-22 07:37

    GO on judge you know what is right for the country and the citizen.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-22 09:41

      Looking at his support for the leftist, socialist organizations and the result there off, I have to disagree. He does not, nor has ever known what is best, but are a supporter of a system that enriches the elite, while ensuring the masses only get crumbs. Sadly the masses never realized that this was always the plan of the elite....even in China, that bastion of communism and socialism, the elite is enriching big sad joe on the masses.

  • Mathabo Maphosa - 2012-11-22 07:42

    its about time, this Zuma nonsense has been going on for far to long i dnt see anything substantial that he did. am uo for so all for the MOTION

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 07:59

      well - he built a substantial home, he had substantial charges against him dropped, the govt. has made a substantial failure to address crime and corruption under his watch, he has substantial wives and offspring, in fact .. everything he has touched has turned into a substantial ......f...

      johan.nothnagel.35 - 2012-11-22 08:02

      I agree. Zuma has been an absent landlord...right from the start. How are you suppose to attract foreign investment if you're house (country) is not in order. HOWEVER, I wonder if any sort of "pressure" has been put on Judge Dennis Davis? Will know soon...

  • rowan.clark.10 - 2012-11-22 07:48

    That's it we need a ruling and we need a government.How can things work if attention is not given to implementation and avoidance is the norm.

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-11-22 07:52

    Very interesting . Will be watching the outcome.

  • MAVHUTSA - 2012-11-22 07:58

    If the motion has no foundation why are u so afraid chief esra mathole

  • phumi.ntlabati - 2012-11-22 07:58

    It is problematic that in a democratic country, that those who have lost in a legitimate election, are trying to co-govern the country through courts. It is about time we start tabling a motion of whether our courts should be an ideal place to sort out political destitute. Why the DA is undermining our democratic processes available in parliament in mind boggling? It is time we remind the courts that they are also an arm of government that answers to the executive and not the other way around!

      MSGRule - 2012-11-22 08:04

      @Phumi - thank goodness we have courts. Can you imagine the country without. the opposition in a "democratic" will mean absolutely nothing. They are used only to make the government do their job is via court orders it seems. Have never seen a country being run with majority of the ministers in court all the time. If you put the courts in the hands of the government everybody will starve!

      eben.vanderrmerwe - 2012-11-22 08:08

      No Phumi, the reality is that is is shocking that we have had to go so far as to approach the courts to enforce parliament to scedule a motion of no confidence against a clearly corrupt, thieving, lying, raping and utterly useless president. Eventually when you get to the point where your rights are also being raped by your sworn leaders, your eyes will also open to the truth.. unless of course you are also enjoying the fruits of corruption with the caders!!.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:09

      It's a bigger problem when those in power do not uphold the laws of the land

      john.morreira.9 - 2012-11-22 08:10

      What legitimate election? The vast majority of South Africans don't have a cooking clue, about how elections or democracy (even Mr Zuma has a problem with democracy) is supposed to work. That's why it's so important that the masses be kept uneducated.

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-11-22 08:11

      clearly your understanding of democracy is lacking. Do you not understand that "that under his [Zuma's] leadership the justice system has been politicised and weakened; corruption has spiralled out of control; unemployment continues to increase, the economy is weakening, and the right of access to quality education has been violated". This warrants the DA AND OTHER PARTIES to use the democratic process of a vote of no confidence. What you describe above is a dictatorship where it doesnt matter how much or how large the president fails, we just got to take it. Sorry, but you have been brainwashed, open you mind and you shall be set free!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-22 08:12

      It is a problem that in a "democratic" country our leaders loot and pillage without shame, refuse to be accountable, and now even refuse to be truthful. The only one undermining democracy here is the ANC, who have long since destroyed any real democracy we may have had; all the DA is trying to do is return the country to a point where we actually have a democracy.

      bless.boswell - 2012-11-22 08:13

      Phumi, are you happy with the state of affairs? Are you happy that our children are not being educated? Are you happy that a women gave birth on a pavement because a hospital refused to admit her? Are you happy that our president is not capable of engaging the opposition in a debate? Are you happy that our government is guilty of corruption? If you answered no to any one of the above, your remark us meaningless. If you answered yes, then you are one of them.

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-11-22 08:17

      "It is problematic that in a democratic country, that those who have lost in a legitimate election, are trying to co-govern the country through courts." This is actually part of democracy you dumn twit !

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:19

      eish eish - is this from Phumi of Nkandla?

      mfrater - 2012-11-22 08:19

      We do not have a democratic country phumi. That is a joke! What we do have is a government voted in mostly by the non-contributing members of society (ie. the leeches), who out number the opposition and therefore the "problematic" part of the equation is that no matter how "democratic" you think the country is, it is not, it is a dictatorship, led by a party that itself is corrupt, crumbling and in disarray -- pretty much reflected in the way SA has gone in the last 20 years.

      ntebu.mthi - 2012-11-22 09:02

      @ Phumi did you know that according to the democratic constitution the President of the country is elected by Parliament? Did you also know that it is the same democratic process that allows the MPs incl. opposition MPs the right to call for a discussion of a motion of no confidence? The courts are there to make sure that the rule of law is upheld. If those who govern do not break the rule of law then the courts don't have to badge in

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-22 09:43

      Simply put: The government is corrupt, using their majority to protect their corrupt ways and therefore the courts are the only other way, we have to oppose them, except of-course if you want us to go into anarchy and simply lynch the whole caboodle?

  • matthews.magodiela - 2012-11-22 08:14

    It seems like the ruling party does not have trust to its own comrades. If they do why are they opposing the secrete ballot for vote of no confidence. We need firm people like Lindiwe and Lekota to stabilise the abuse of power by the ruling party.

  • alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:20

    Eish - A Zuma 'Motion' Debate ...if only I could draw the picture that comes to mind...

  • JanGrimbeek - 2012-11-22 08:20

    The DA and other opposistion parties, should now also add the "Misleading of parliament" by the zoema about hies "BOND" to the list of no confidence reasons.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:24

      BOND - 007. I can just picture the Bond girls in the Nkandla Mansion... whoo eh eh

  • Karabo Phetoane - 2012-11-22 08:21

    The Dom Aliens are not gonna choose who is going to lead the government for us,if they cant get the electoral to vote for them they might as well forget.After they loose the debate they will run to court where they know they have loyal alliance in most of apartheid judges.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:26

      still choking on you bitter pills? Eish - and they are only getting more bitter as legalised corruption takes further hold.

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-22 09:10

      Karabo I won't insult you mna. I'm not like them. Let's talk. Are you against the removal of the corrupt, mischievous, clueless Zuma? If so, in light of the present problems we find our country in, where do you think our country will be in the next 4 years? In a consolidated, calculated dictatorship? Or a failed state in 8 years? Think again my brother.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-11-22 08:21

    here here!!! I wish I could vote...

  • lesetja.a.masola - 2012-11-22 08:25

    The county should now see light after 4 years of darkness.

  • Ntshobs - 2012-11-22 08:25

    courts run parliament, eish.

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-11-22 08:54

      Courts run the country cause the current regime are incompetent and corrupt to do such a job.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-22 09:47

      No, courts protect, or are suppose to protect, the constitution and us the human beings. Sadly they failed and that is why we now sit with this man at the helm.

  • Prince Bird - 2012-11-22 08:26

    @Karabo Phetoane U lack knowledge chief opposition parties exercise powers they have for the benefits of the country unlike ruling party with majority rule which they misuse. And i'm quite sure that if they can put it down Zuma wont make it coz ANC is divided into three, those who support shower man,motlanthe and those who don't support neither! Viva motion of no confidence Viva!

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-22 08:31

      I agree 100%

      Karabo Phetoane - 2012-11-22 08:46

      @Prince Bird you don't know politics of the ANC,you are clueless and empty headed in terms of how the ANC operates.The ANC might be divided but they wont help the opposition to unsit the president,if they want to unsit Zuma they will bring their own motion and if you forget quick you can ask Thabo Mbeki.

  • francois.brown1 - 2012-11-22 08:33

    The ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga, who has described the motion as "frivolous and without foundation" surely has lost touch with reality. Politicians and presidents isn't above scrutiny - they need to deliver the goods and serve their county's best interests.

  • brendaanne.anderson - 2012-11-22 08:33

    Yes and we do hope there are no more bomb threats today. Quite a co-incidence.

  • francois.brown1 - 2012-11-22 08:35

    I really appreciate this motion from the DA. Stand for ethics, values, and clean governance.

  • phumi.ntlabati - 2012-11-22 08:41

    In real working democracies, you will hardly hear about the opposition of the day taking the ruling government to Court. It is only here in this republic of Mandela! Because the DA and its sponsored affiliates do not have confidence on our independent democratic institutions! This explains why they couldn’t wait for Thuli Madonsela or Terence Nombembe report on Nkandla and decided to March there invoking unnecessary tensions! Most progressive counties the lock the opposition up in jail for failing to respect the rules of the land, because that can only erode the democratic rule of the country!

      Sealebareki - 2012-11-22 08:48

      phumi you must be insane

      J.D. - 2012-11-22 08:51

      phumi...some barking from the treetops.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-11-22 09:01

      @Phumi pleeeez go talk your troll else where. "erode the democratic rule of the country" WHat democratic rule are you talking about under Zoomers and the current leadership. Smoke your stuff over weekends so that you can think straight during the week

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-22 09:07

      "In real working democracies," - Yes, you nailed it. This is only necessary *because* we don't have a real working democracy, this is however entirely the ANC's fault.

      ntebu.mthi - 2012-11-22 09:10

      Phumi ask your nearest regional or provincial ANC branch to enrol you to its political school and teach you on the basics of democracy. Unfortunately you were incorrectly indoctrinated by whoever did so.

      dorette.forrester - 2012-11-22 09:36

      In real working democracies - Jacob Zuma would never have become a President in the first place. Secondly, in other democracies the President would resign at the first implication of corruption. The point is that he did not pay for the whole Nkandla - it was paid with favours for tenders. If that is not the case you would want to discuss it and expose it to clear his name. Why is the ANC so scared to that? Because they know but the problem is so does the rest of the nation.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-22 09:50

      In most working democracies, of which there is none in Africa, people will never allow people of Zuma's character or most other are criminally minded people, to ever get near government. You really need to wake up and smell the roses as what you support is stealing away whatever chance today's children still have to a better future and perhaps some peace from the endless struggle.

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-11-22 08:52

    Thandeka, if u only had a half a brain Lindiwe had, maybe u could talk some sense.

  • LanfearM - 2012-11-22 08:54

    May justice prevail and the judge make the decision that he knows is right for the country! Zuma has done nothing to govern the country. He did nothing for his people. Everything in the country worsened for the majority during his reign.

  • Spiral - 2012-11-22 08:54

    "that under his [Zuma's] leadership the justice system has been politicised and weakened; corruption has spiralled out of control; unemployment continues to increase, the economy is weakening, and the right of access to quality education has been violated". Not a word of a lie there!

  • larry.simon.7 - 2012-11-22 09:21

    Can you imagine if you worked for a company where everyone thought you were an idiot. Any self respecting person would just resign and walk away to get some counseling. Not our prez

  • dorette.forrester - 2012-11-22 09:32

    What the country has to witness is the percentage of the ANC who wants to see this country go down and what percentage would vote for what is right? Who in parliament really cares about this country? Are they all corrupt or not?

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-11-22 09:38

    Hopefully this corporate judge makes a decision, but more than likely he will rather just use a technical point to not anger his ANC and leftist buddies. To many such things coming from the courts have made me loose trust in their socalled legal system a long time ago.

  • david.lebethe - 2012-11-22 09:48

    The report is slanted towards DA. The idea was hatched by Cope and was canvassed with other opposition parties, who all bought into it. It is therefore promotion of one upmanship tfor news24 o single out DA at expense of other political parties, especially Cope, which came up with the idea. It's high time that media must give recognition and acknowledgement to other parties lest it ends up as another coup by the Da

  • Brad - 2012-11-22 10:28

    The judge will make the right decision and rule against the opposition parties. Unfortunately, the correct decision will note the separation of powers between the judicial and legislative bodies. I think the opposition already know this. The main purpose of this court application is to sow more division in the ANC ranks ahead of Mangaung. Well played!

  • lyndol.lyons - 2012-11-22 10:39

    I would rather have Snooki from Jersey Shore run our country , than Zoomer. That's sad.

  • tshepo.seduke - 2012-11-22 10:48

    we will see it next year

  • kgomott - 2012-11-22 11:07

    No vote of confidence on this zuma. Their hands are too deep in puplics purse. This is zuma camp is taking ANC to the grave. Zuma is the true definition on injustice system. We all knw that without proper education in mzansi, U are nothing. let along accompanied by criminal charges is a stamp. How the hell did he get that job??. well we all knw..... ANC WILL KISS MY VOTE GUD BYE IF ZUMA CONTINUES.

  • bongohead.sipho - 2012-11-22 13:18

    Judge Davis will make a fair ruling. The debate will take place.

  • jonathan.moyo.90 - 2012-11-22 13:41

    Lindiwe the michelin woman

  • KeenanMag - 2012-11-22 14:24

    Any updates???

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