Criminals will not rule SA - Cele

2011-06-27 13:47

Johannesburg - Police are fighting a war they did not declare, National Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele said during the funeral of police reservist Mark Ishlove, in Johannesburg, on Monday.

"We shall win this war. We shall not allow the country to be ruled by criminals," Cele told mourners during the service which was held at the Mosaiek Church in Fairland.

Cele assured the church filled with police that they were doing a "wonderful job" and reiterated no officer should die with a gun in their hand.

"Anybody who kills a member of the police is inviting trouble and courting sleepless nights," Cele said.

Sixty-year-old Ishlove, a lieutenant colonel, died in a shootout between the police and a five-man gang near a primary school in Northcliff on June 15. Two of the gunmen also died.

Police were chasing the gang's white Mercedes-Benz when it crashed.

The five men inside jumped out and ran away.

One of them dropped his pistol and was arrested near the accident scene. Another man was arrested further down the road and a third was caught in the school grounds.

Ishlove chased one of the other men to a house where a shoot-out ensued in which both he and the gunman died.

The fifth man tried to hide in a Wendy house. He shot himself in the head and died on the way to hospital.

  • Pickle - 2011-06-27 13:51

    It already is ruled with criminals... -_-

      Brandon - 2011-06-27 13:53

      Well said my friend

      Smaal - 2011-06-27 13:57

      .... literally ...

      Shadoz - 2011-06-27 13:59

      i think most of the time they just following by example. I mean most poloticians are crooked but the SA poloticians take the cake.

      Jelly - 2011-06-27 14:03

      Mr Cele you idiot!!! They already do and with incompetent people like you at the helm of our police force THEY ARE WINNING!!!

      anti crime - 2011-06-27 14:16

      Criminals will not rule SA - Cele U neither

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-27 14:21

      ...and when go to the police, make sure you have a bribe handy...

      BoB - 2011-06-27 14:33

      I think the police`s efforts are being watered down by the judiciary who continue to grant bail to dangerous criminals.

      Francois - 2011-06-27 14:54

      If you are corrupt in leasing a building for the police, are you a criminal? If you embezzle money in the arms deal, are you a criminal? If you fail to investigate the embezzlement of money in the arms deal, are you a criminal? If you suspend the Director of National Prosecution, because he is investigating your corrupt friend, are you a criminal? If an ANC cadre takes money from a SOE and sponsors the ANC with it, is he a criminal? Is the ANC who received the money not as guilty? If you allow atrocities and crimes against humanity by your neighbour, are you a criminal? Cele, pens in , bors uit, mond TOE, sebenza manje.

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-06-27 15:06


      BOFFINBOB - 2011-06-27 15:39

      African National Criminals vs the rest of SA criminals. The rest are winning hands down. And we are " stuck in the middle with you. "

      freedom - 2011-06-27 18:50

      not only with but by!

      marco - 2011-06-27 20:29

      And there goes the vitriol,cruel and bitter criticism of the ANC government or in this instance the national police chief General Bheki Cele once again by the few hundred bitter socalled realist you'll find on News24,most likely living as expats in a foreign country somewhere.The conservative hate machine you have here commenting is both insane in its volume and cluster**** in its stridency to say the least.What was it:"high unemployment,murder,rape,HIV Aids,corruption,fraud etc".They would rather see the country go down in flames than contribute whatever they can to make it a better place.

      Meanleader - 2011-06-28 09:08

      So shooting POlice is a bigger crime than shooting an honest member of the public ???? fukaff !! After all his dodgy deals ....What is Cele still doing as Police Commissioner ? Hypocritical bottom feeder !!!

      Meanleader - 2011-06-28 09:14

      Let me take a wild guess Marco are an ANC follower !!!!??? Your comment is viewed with the contempt it deserves !

  • IQ - 2011-06-27 13:53

    'Criminals will not rule SA' Better then you disband the ANC government with immediate effect!

  • Slapper - 2011-06-27 13:53

    Newsflash Cele, Criminals are already ruling South Africa.

      croix - 2011-06-27 21:07

      Yip, and if you want proof Bheki - just look in the mirror when Zumbo is standing next to you!!

  • Wayne - 2011-06-27 13:56

    Okay so who are the criminals again? I get so confused sometimes..

      FAH-Q - 2011-06-27 14:11

      Well according to Juliass white people are the criminals.

      Niel Meiring - 2011-06-27 14:22

      @ FAH-Q that is why they dont rule. hehehe

  • saabnut - 2011-06-27 13:56

    What do you mean- they already do, starting right at the top!!!

  • Smindlo - 2011-06-27 14:09

    huh?....a certain criminal thats in charge of police signed illegall deals to lease buildings for police and his friend managed to have over 700 charges of corruption quashed against him!!!!!! can you arrest those two cele!!!

  • Grant - 2011-06-27 14:10

    Cele: Criminals ARE running our country - idiot!

  • FaxM8 Fax - 2011-06-27 14:12

    Too Late cele lethuli house is filled with criminals and they rule this land

      CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-06-27 14:16

      I call it Loot Freely House

  • XAD - 2011-06-27 14:13

    Says the biggest criminal of them all...

  • anti crime - 2011-06-27 14:15

    Criminals will not rule SA - Cele U neither

  • CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-06-27 14:16

    So is Cele saying the ANC should not rule anymore?

      Malusi - 2011-06-27 18:28

      Go and hang white cockroche

      Creeky - 2011-06-28 08:12

      Malusi.... looks like you OBE education has let you DOWN AGAIN!!! WTF is a cockroche? Another name for Cele? Or Malema? Or Vavi?

      MrSpiderman - 2011-07-08 17:46

      All three?

  • Patrick D - 2011-06-27 14:16

    The criminals are certainly ruling the Police.

  • Dal68 - 2011-06-27 14:17


  • Bra Pat - 2011-06-27 14:18

    How manytimes have we heard about that statement- no price for guesing

      Niel Meiring - 2011-06-27 14:23

      more than enough times if you ask me.

  • Stefan - 2011-06-27 14:18

    Suppose Cele has to arrest himself !!!

      Ozymandios - 2011-06-27 14:46

      Well they keep missing out on arresting the right people so I guess Cele will mess that up too.( arresting himself)

      Ockert - 2011-06-27 15:21

      The case will be thrown out - proper procedure was not followed, as per recent murder of a shopkeeper by 5 innocent guys.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-07-08 17:48

      Sjacksch: I will give my left b$ll to see that! No better, arrest Gudaffi with a string!!!

  • - 2011-06-27 14:19

    easy to say.....but cele also does not rule.....

      Ozymandios - 2011-06-27 14:47

      Thnak heavens he doesn't. Can you imagine what this place would be like then?

  • Daemos1 - 2011-06-27 14:20

    Maybe if Cele was doing his job he wouldn't have to attend these funerals

  • Niekie - 2011-06-27 14:20

    It was found by a court of law that Zuma and Shaik had a unlawful relationship! So Cele, the country IS being run by a criminal!

      Niel Meiring - 2011-06-27 14:24

      and the other one plays golf and awaits his "presidential pardon" :)

      Malusi - 2011-06-27 18:40

      Those findings were coming from a recist, who was trying to push his personal agenda. SA will be only good if all those white judges who was a part of apartheild regime could be fired. I believe they inherited dubious outcome

      Francois - 2011-06-27 20:10

      Careful Malusi, you are up for libel. Schaik went all the way to the contitutional court with judges appointed by Mandela and Mbeki. Next time try extending a hand of friendship rather than to spew unfounded facts - or at least put them in a question.

      croix - 2011-06-27 21:21

      Hey Mal-usi - tula “sphukuphuku” & go be Shaik's caddie, then you can push your own 'recist' agenda someplace else!

  • Born To Fish - 2011-06-27 14:20

    Fire the cabinet!!!!!!!!

  • tut - 2011-06-27 14:21

    Is he making a statement about the ANC? I thought they would rule until the 2nd coming. Jeez Im confused now.

      Niel Meiring - 2011-06-27 14:25


      derkus - 2011-06-27 15:22

      zuma has cum enough times how wives and kids does he havw

  • Badballie - 2011-06-27 14:21

    "We shall win this war. We shall not allow the country to be ruled by criminals," Cele Does this mean the Police senior management and the ANC have to go into hiding or face being arrested for corruption?

  • Matt - 2011-06-27 14:22

    My point in an earlier proved... * State claims to take a tough line on criminals and use harsh words in the media * State then lets criminals off lightly, because light treatment of criminals and an increase of lawlessness benefits the State's plans for the future (people more likely to support whatever their solution is whereas they otherwise wouldn't)

  • FRpower - 2011-06-27 14:26

    Either way Cele another honest Policeman has died cause this ruling government has given criminals more rights that your law abiding citizen. When will the death penalty come back,hell ile flick the switch for free.

  • Ryno - 2011-06-27 14:26

    open your eyes idiot, stop talking and bring back the death penalty

      Kristi10 - 2011-06-27 16:17

      The death penalty will not stop crime but the prisons will not be so over crowded and my tax money might go to build schools and hospitals instead of housing and feeding muderers and rapists...

  • Niel Meiring - 2011-06-27 14:28

    fair enough, no we just need to see some action without police brutality present and without excluding certain individuals from prosecution. No one is above the law, and everyone should be equal under it. If we can get that right, then I will be impressed, even though i should be impressed, it should be the norm.

  • Vicker - 2011-06-27 14:29

    "We shall not allow the country to be ruled by criminals"....erm too late for that Cele, already is...

  • Kevin - 2011-06-27 14:31

    ooops sorry...being police commissioner you're supposed to be a well informed individual!!!! We're already run by criminals(cANCer Guvaaamunt)and don't let the stats confuse you on the crime issue as yours are completely inaccurate.Now your next blapsh will go like...we're winning!!!Drove through Durban Point rd CBD Sunday morning and was almost accosted by the numbers of Nigerian/Congolese drug mules at every stop street and cnr....where were the police???? Making 30million party at taxpayers expense.Typical !!!!!

  • TGSA - 2011-06-27 14:43

    I think they (the criminals) already are, together with corrupt politicians and some equally corrupt members of the Police force?

  • Ozymandios - 2011-06-27 14:43

    But Mr. Cele they are ruling SA right now. Just look at most of our politicians in the Governemnt. Why are we world champions in rugby as well as corruption, rape and embezelment? And I am not that comfortable with you either.And the list goes on and on and on.

  • nic - 2011-06-27 14:46

    oh my word.... "Police are fighting a war they did not declare" ???? Really? If police do not declare war against crime, who will!!??

  • Candice Lowe - 2011-06-27 14:48

    Completely the wrong forum for such a speech! People walked out en masse because they were there to remember Marc. This is not an event that should have been politicized.

      Kristi10 - 2011-06-27 16:21

      Sad that someone who gave is life to try and apprehend a criminal funeral were politicized by a criminal... Condolences to the family and friends who lost a person that they loved.

  • grimbie1 - 2011-06-27 14:52

    um wasnt JZ magically cleared from charges just before he came into presidency..? Thought most of the leadership are criminals

  • McDaNife - 2011-06-27 14:52

    Whoa! how many times did we hear this from the police commissioner but the killings just continues.

  • grimbie1 - 2011-06-27 14:53

    Then make a difference and do your job Mr Cele... Arrest the ANC..

  • Brandon96end - 2011-06-27 15:00

    Someone who steals tax payers' money is as big a thief as someone who robs your house. 'nuff said.

  • Jean - 2011-06-27 15:01

    Too late, they are already ruling the country. Just look at the parliament, move down to local government and see what is happening. That is why the Arms Deal is not investigated and the Scorpions were disbanded. It is not only the murders and the break-ins at Petros's house. More damage to the economy and country is done at the above mentioned institutions. Look at the ridiculous salaries earned by everyone, Youth League members, mayors of small towns, etc. That is criminal, it takes the money out of the poor and hungry and to cover your tracks you blame "apartheid". Oh please, it is about time you take responsibility for what is happening under ANC control; do not blame anyone else but yourselves. All the criminals from across our borders are your fault. The ANC is too pathetic to control anything but their money and the media. Our jails are filled with the scum from across our borders because here we are easy targets and they know our police and judicial systems are pathetic. In their own countries they get thumped but here they are treated like kings. It is too late; we are already ruled by criminals.

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-06-27 15:05

    Can't believe the rudeness of Cele to use this man's funeral as a platform for his speech! That is so disrespectful to the family who are there to mourn and remeber this man. And cele turns it into a political speech platform. Disgusting!

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-06-27 15:06

    Can't believe the rudeness of Cele to use this man's funeral as a platform for his speech! That is so disrespectful to the family who are there to mourn and remember this man. And cele turns it into a political speech platform. Disgusting!

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-06-27 15:07

    Can't believe the rudeness of Cele to use this man's funeral as a platform for his speech! That is so disrespectful to the family who are there to mourn and remember this man. And cele turns it into a political speech platform. Disgusting!

  • Nkulekweni - 2011-06-27 15:08

    Oh Cele You should have your own comedy show. You are sooo funny! In a country in which people have to drive around with 500 rands in their pockets to bribe your police, in which the head of police will rent a building in order to line his friend and his own pockets with the public's money, in which a convicted armed robber (a former police person)is allowed to stand as an ANC candidate for elections, a man tried for rape in the presidency.... We could call your show cops being robbers.

  • Marius B - 2011-06-27 15:14

    The sad news, Mr Cele, is that they already are!

  • Nkulekweni - 2011-06-27 15:24

    Will try again ...why was my comment honest observation on how amusing our leader of police is. Very very funny chap. shoudl have his own comedy show. Twould be very popular in a country in which verybody carries hard cash around to bribe the police sometimes to free themselves after being declared drunk (not having drunk a drop), in a country in which a convicted armed robber can stand as an electoral candidate for the ANC, in a country in which the highest office in the land is occupied by an individual who has been tried and found innocent politically, in a country where the chief of police will use leases for housing his force to line his and his acquaintance's pockets with public money. Are you news24 going to shamelessly censor me again?

  • jock - 2011-06-27 15:49

    I am afraid you are wrong.The criminals rule the pavements and the taxis rule the roads

  • FrankLee - 2011-06-27 16:07

    Earth to Cele: the criminals are ALREADY ruling - they are the African National Criminals. Where have you been all this time?

  • Vernon - 2011-06-27 16:13

    Cele ,YOU need your day in court.A R500m question needs to be answered.

  • Mizer - 2011-06-27 16:21

    And he keeps saying this over and over..They must focus on the thieves and leave innocent law abiding citezens alone. Unfortunately some dumb cops are bad at differentiating between a good and a bad person

  • tokoloshe - 2011-06-27 16:25

    As they say in afrikaans :die man is gestrem ; the country has been ruled by a bunch of criminals for years already.

  • theprodigy - 2011-06-27 17:02

    we warned the ANC about crime 8 years ago, what did they do, they laughed at us, told us to go to Australia, so now what ANC?

  • onemate - 2011-06-27 17:30

    Look in house first before they fight crime on the streets.

  • Danie - 2011-06-27 17:37

    Mr Cele, please be inform that white collar or must we say in police blue coller, personal enrichment of oneself or for a friend is also a crime, all criminals should be in jail , starting at the criminal in the highest position in SA.