DA: The public deserves to know

2012-11-18 14:37

Johannesburg - It was concerning that the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) went to a great deal of trouble to prevent a Sunday Times story from being published, the DA said on Sunday.

"The documents are already in the public domain so why do President Zuma’s lawyers and the NPA insist on keeping the reduced record from us?," Democratic Alliance MP James Selfe said in a statement on Sunday.

"These documents only bolster the DA’s case that the decision needs to be reviewed."

In March the Supreme Court of Appeal ordered the National Director of Public Prosecution to hand over a record of all documents, recordings, materials and evidence that led to criminal charges against President Jacob Zuma being withdrawn.

Selfe said the DA had since launched another court application to gain access to the reduced record.

This court case would be heard early next year.

Public funds

"It would save both sides a lot of time and the unnecessary use of public funds if, now that the documents are in the public domain, they were handed over to the DA as was required by the SCA judgment," said Selfe.

"If there was a case back in 2009 then there was a case and the NPA can no longer delay the truth coming out."

The NPA lodged an application in the high court in Pretoria on Saturday night in an eleventh hour attempt by the to stop distribution of Sunday Times copies leading with a story on the "spy tape" case relating to Zuma.

However, acting Judge Nomsa Khumalo said since the paper was already in circulation, interdicting the distribution process would serve no purpose.

After hearing presentations from legal representatives for the Sunday Times and the NPA, Khumalo ruled that the court would not interdict the already ongoing distribution on Saturday night.

The NPA's bid was dismissed with costs.

Leaked internal communication

The newspaper was in shops across the country on Sunday.

The Sunday Times story is based on a series - 300 pages - of leaked internal communication within the NPA, including emails and memos. The communiques reveal that top prosecutors believed they had a firm case against Zuma, according to the newspaper.

Selfe said the public had a right to know why the decision was taken to drop charges against Zuma.

"We also deserve to know whether this decision was rational and based on a sound legal opinion rather than a political decision, and that is what we will be asking the court to determine."

The decision in 2009 to drop the charges against Zuma - taken by then acting National Director of Public Prosecutions Mokotedi Mpshe - was made a month before he was elected president.

  • SharonE - 2012-11-18 14:50

    If the man has nothing to hide, like he says - let him clear his name once and for all in a court of law. But if I look at the Nkandlagate saga, no one can believe 2 words that come out of his mouth. His lies come easy, and he does not care that we know, we are irrelevant to him, he perceives us to be no different than his goats and cows. If there was ever a reason for South Africans to set aside their differences and stand together against a common enemy, then this is it.

  • Klaus - 2012-11-18 14:51

    My demand, All Government employed Lawyers are paid winning cases only - this will prevent Tax Payers are continuously screwed - knowing those Scumbags, none will take on anymore cANCer cases :-)

  • richard.madhopershad - 2012-11-18 14:54

    ...time to join Shabir... - 2012-11-18 15:30

      Where? On the golf course?

      luytster - 2012-11-18 15:38

      Time for flippin Shabby and Zoomer to go to jail i think.

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-11-18 18:20

      I agree, I'm sure the reason the bafoon is so quiet today is because he is scrambling to get some of the stolen cash out of the country and into a Swiss bank account. DA better keep an eye on that. He's got to know that he is done.

  • daniewilken - 2012-11-18 14:55

    Another important fact\r\nwho is printing our new money\r\ndoes the printing company belong to the anc\r\nwho checks this.\r\nMaybe the new money is printed in nkandla\r\nwont put nothing psst zuma.malema and winnie

  • casskot - 2012-11-18 14:58

    We want answers on the Arms Deal as well. Tired of cANCer now !!!

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-18 14:59

    Do any ANC supporter hold the party they show love responsible. It does not seem like it and thus they will always eat the bull they are being fed with a smile on there face where as I am being force fed. Atleast I acknowledge being given a raw deal but you as ANC supporters are fools that are betrayed by your own people.

      Twilly TK Kununu - 2012-11-18 16:32

      Unfortunately I can not allow people insulting us, calling us fools about a mistake that was done years ago. We would do anything for this country not to go back to the era before De Klek.

      wo0two0t - 2012-11-19 11:01

      Twilly grow up you sound like a two year old who hasn’t got their way. You also need to understand that SA doesn’t only have two options ANC Apartheid and NP Apartheid we can all live peacefully without both that ANC and the NP. What makes you think the DA will bring Apartheid back they never supported it plus they would just be shooting themselves in the foot – do you not remember that far back when Apartheid didn’t work. The ANC aren’t making the problems disappear they are creating more - cannot you see?

  • UNITY - 2012-11-18 15:00

    Trying to protect the state of information...bill

  • james.baillie.12764 - 2012-11-18 15:02

    What going to happen the truth will come out. But the president will just get a second term because the uneducated get intimidated

  • debduplessis - 2012-11-18 15:04

    I feel like a dark cloud has been lifted that was hanging over RSA in last almost 4 years .. today I can see the sun & rainbow in the sky again! Today is the day CORRUPTION & Conspiracy to get Zuma into office at the highest levels has been made known -- Looking forward to seeing them all in court & sentenced once & for all

  • thembinkosi.jozie - 2012-11-18 15:12

    Now Mpshe Is a judge Is he fit for that position The DA must investigate. The DA is the only hope for the future of SA

      emile.marais - 2012-11-18 15:26

      Someone needs to take the initiative. I wish other opposition parties would wake up too.

      debduplessis - 2012-11-18 15:28

      Agreed.... What did Zuma have on Mpshe, that Mpshe would dance to Zuma's tune instead of taking the advice of his Senior Prosecutors? -- that story now needs to unfold! No wonder Zuma did so much of his own appointing!!!

  • alf.pop - 2012-11-18 15:13

    Mike: And if he has to face charges, he needs to be kept behind bars, because he is definitely a flight risk. After all, he had since 2009 to build up "emergency reserves" offshore!

  • freddy.vanwijk - 2012-11-18 15:13

    The public deserve to know and it's a right in the constitution in every detail how taxpayers money is spent.

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-18 15:19

      I have created a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign this and pass it on. Thank you.

      debduplessis - 2012-11-18 15:31

      Narike.. signed. Flight it on Facebook it also get around quicker ;)

  • lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 15:21

    Ha - one little paniced flit into the courts, at midnight, is worth a thousand words. I can smell the fear.\r\n\r\nYou okes at the npa (not properly argued) must never ever play poker for money. Your collective iq suggests that you will lose a lot of cash. Much like you did last night.

  • mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-18 15:24

    Zet you clown...there are people going hungry because of this...people and babies sick...they will turn into criminals because of this.If they live long enough to . I suggest you read up on the French Revolution a bit. The F...K the poor attitude caused a lot of pigs to lose their heads. I suggest you take up knitting..

  • braamc - 2012-11-18 15:28

    A bunch of criminals "leading" this country

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-11-18 15:44

    If top prosecutors believed they had a case against Jacob Zuma but the charges were dropped then that tells us that it was a political solution

  • Shane Prins - 2012-11-18 15:50

    mpshe must be investigated

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 17:46 is obvious what happened (as was reported in the Sunday Times) He should be in the he** can he ever be judge with credentials of a .............. .. ........

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 15:59

    the court will dismiss this as it did in 2008 and 2009. zuma will get second term. da will be furious but defeated it may have a chance at winning elections in 2060 with or without zuma.

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 16:05

      there will be no 2060. By 2015 the peasants would have risen up and destroyed everything.......we will all be dead... The cANCer would have killed the patient.....

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:11

      no my friend we will be here and the peasants as u call them will never rise against zuma they are the ones who stopped zille at nkandla.

      mammudi.makgaleng.3 - 2012-11-18 16:19

      I feel sorry for you my dear for keeping your hopes too high. This time he won't, maybe if Malema was still on his back. But now the gravy train is hitting the iceland

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 16:24

      heh heh. Three hundred of you managed to stop one white madam! Well done. Next time maybe you should send 20 of your women or a few children to do this mighty thing you did! Ha ha.

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 17:16

      u misunderstand me lee.brand.73 i was not at nkandla i was at work.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 17:49

      siyabonga........ if zoooomer gets a second term all other parties will jump of joy. Zomer has been responsible for the downfall of the anc exceeding all expectations. With a second term the process will continue at the same speed and will we rid ourselves from the cANCer devouring every single sole in this country ZUMA FOR A SECOND (and the anc's last) TERM

  • matthews.magodiela - 2012-11-18 16:00

    Cry the beloved country. Vultures are preying our tax money and the are getting away with it.thanx to Shower man.

      conan.course.5 - 2012-11-18 16:30

      wish there was a way to separate you civilized blacks from the bad apples got big hate for the bad apples so sorry you caught in the middle

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:08

    how can people who fail to build toilets run a country, who have so much hate for the poor that they build open toilets, who call people refugees in their country, who were formed to fight back change as was the slogan for tony leon.

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:13

      who builds open toilets in this age

      Mhlonitjhwa Sikhosana - 2012-11-18 16:18

      Well said, i give a thumb-up

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 16:19

      stop talking k##. The anc also built open toilets. Difference is the da fixed theirs.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 17:55

      anc doesn't even built toilets - remember what happened in the Free State Biggest hypocrites imaginable.

      pws69 - 2012-11-18 21:48

      The ANC build 4 time more open toilets than the Da, which stood open for ten long years WITHOUT agreement of the community. These toilets are STILL open even after a court order was issued. The DA built open toilets WITH agreement of the community and IN ADDITION to the communal toilets they had already built. The AND GP Premier also basically called migrants refugees, several MONTHS before Zille used the term, and the ANC and its supporters were silent. Don't you just HATE IT when FACTS get in the way of your racist and dishonest diatribes?

      garth.bellingan.1 - 2012-11-19 12:29

      Siyabonga you idiot, the open toilets were built by the ANC in the Western Cape , before the DA took over, the DA inherited the problem and has sorted it out together with other f---ups that you idiots created. Wake up, youre being used and you dont even know it, youre so stupid that you dont even know that youre stupid!!!!.

  • mfanafuthi.mhlungu - 2012-11-18 16:14

    u can prosecute Zuma on this website, bt the fact is he wll a pres of a country until2019 deal with it or go

      toxicater - 2012-11-18 16:29

      I disagree with u two. I say Anc is great, but Zuma is dirty

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 16:48

      I see the racist black boys are lost for words so the easist thing would be to kick the whites out. Yes - i said boys. You are clearly a child. Or maybe a man with the wisdom of a child?\r\n\r\nThe anc may have been great - agreed. And now? Not so great. Thats why the fear of the DA is starting to surface. Heh heh heh.

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-11-18 17:28

      Right after you get your one way ticket to robben island you criminal fk

      Erna - 2012-11-18 18:42

      You're going to come down to earth much harder than the rest of us when zuma finally gets his day in court. Remember, he hasn't quite got the same support he had 4 years ago!

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 18:52

      We pray he will be the president. The moderate people of SA need a "destroyer" like zooompie to take us over the edge a bit sooner, before the moderate people in the country can turn the boat around. He and his cronies have all the credentials. Mothlante may just extent our suffering and pain if he becomes president ZUMA FOR PRESIDENT!!

      pws69 - 2012-11-18 21:50

      That's fine with me. By then he will have done so much damage the DA will have a large majority vote in 2019.

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:16

    people deserve to know that the da was formed to fight transformation- their first campaign slogan FIGHT BACK.

      debduplessis - 2012-11-18 16:21

      they PRO transformation, they oppose non adherence of our democracy & constitution which the ANC has fought very hard in last 3 years to tear down & make this country into a 1 party dictatorship!

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 18:55

      What a great slogan. Fight back bacteria. •Support bacteria; it's the only culture some people have!

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:20

    how can we trust a political party that was formed to fight change, as they say in their first slogan ''fight back''

      toxicater - 2012-11-18 16:27

      U smoke

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 16:27

      Its to fight back against theives and corruption. If you are part of that then its to fight against you for a better SA

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:43

      it was formed before zuma so mbeki was a thief too?

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:58

      toxicator is not even worth a response he or she is ''debate challenged''

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 17:18

      In mbeki's case it was to fight a genocide where he was resposible for the deaths of tens of thousands of aids sufferers. Check it out - the anc told us a couple of days ago.

  • mammudi.makgaleng.3 - 2012-11-18 16:24

    NPA is not doing a good job, we need Scorpion to take over. With it everything was resolved in a short period of time. I miss it.

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:26

    i thought of going to wc to mediate bwt farmers and workers b4 di mercenary security came but then zille would have said arrest this refugee. lol

  • mfanafuthi.mhlungu - 2012-11-18 16:27

    Fact is da wll remain a minority 4 the next100yrs 2come.

      conan.course.5 - 2012-11-18 16:37

      take your specs off i think they fogging your brain

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 17:01

      Heh heh. The DA is starting to scare you jz stormtroopers a bit hey? Come on - the thought of aunty Helen Running SA gets you into cold sweats at night! Especially now that jz has cooked and lost his golden goose lol. On top of that theres a faction in the anc that wants the nc debate to go ahead. How scary is that! Heh heh heh. \r\n\r\nI am sure that if all us pesky and racist whites left you okes would have it fixed by next friday!

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 17:27

      try 300 yrs mfanafuthi

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-11-18 17:35

      I don't know about that, many nations are starting to cosy up with the DA in anticipation of them winning the elections in the near future. Give it 8 years

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 18:02

      WATCH 2018 - the year the cANCer will be cured in SA.

      pws69 - 2012-11-18 21:51

      You clowns said the same about the DA and CT, and then the DA and WC. Those both ended in tears for you. LOL. 2019 = DA government. I cannot wait.

      garth.bellingan.1 - 2012-11-19 12:34

      Because you and your usless cadres are too stupid to vote for a party that will change for the better, but i spose if ure used to sitting outside a mud hut and cooking on a fire then Civilisation must look really daunting to you.

  • ryan.sthole - 2012-11-18 16:34

    'Mission Distruction Z'

  • mfanafuthi.mhlungu - 2012-11-18 16:35

    Fact is they wll neva run this country

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 18:04

      The DA will certainly not "RUN" this country - they will GOVERN it, NOT ruled as the cANCer does.

  • - 2012-11-18 16:47

    State controls the media, does that sound familiar?

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 16:49

    how can people who cannot even speak or debate run a country? if u disagree with them u are an idiot, uneducated and many worse names. they cant even show us their esteemed qualifications.

      Mhlonitjhwa Sikhosana - 2012-11-18 16:58

      Keep them(comments) rolling Siya i enjoy reading them

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-18 17:05

      ja. Keep them rolling. I already spilt my coffee laughing so much. Maybe someone could translate them into zulu. They are just too funny in english!

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 17:23

      dont worry they will keep coming

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 18:06

      I challenge you to go and have a look who the DA Youth League members are and their university qualifications. They have more tertiary qualifications as all of the present cANCer MP's.

      rocky.bell.927 - 2012-11-18 18:07

      ja ou siyabonga ...........I, me, mine and myself - mentality

      pws69 - 2012-11-18 21:53

      Yup, that about sums up how the ANC have been behaving for about a decade. Since it disgusts you so much, are you voting DA in 2014?

  • gcj.wood - 2012-11-18 16:50

    Errr the public has a RIGHT to know! Democracy 101, you consciously lie to the people or embezzle even 1 cent of public money then you are prosecuted, lose your seat and you go to JAIL.. END OF STORY!!!!

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 17:00

      that is if u are proven guilty in a court of law

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-18 17:05

    i guess in the education of those who call us stupid poor uneducated masses they forgot to include good manners, common decency, respect for the opponent, debate skills and communication.

  • mbulelo.somzana - 2012-11-18 17:18

    That is what you get from ANC when it appoints NPA bosses whose main task is to protect corrupt ANC top brass.

  • Itumeleng Mokhine - 2012-11-18 17:37

    to see that zuma its an idiot how can he says he pay bond abt a house was build long time ago in nkandla he says he pays bond when he renovate his old house education is a key even his advisor doesn't correct him before goes in public saying what an embarrassing statement

      Erna - 2012-11-18 18:33

      I don't think that he doesn't know what he is saying. He is proving that lying is also part of his culture and he is treating the people of SA like fools.

  • tiaan.vanderberg.75 - 2012-11-18 17:49

    funny that someone like Jeremy Gauntlet is not appointed to the bench, because the bench must be transformed. But when the shyte hits the fan Senior counsels with names like Jaap Cilliers, Kemp J Kemp, Gauntlet, Mike Maritz and the likes are briefed by government and its leaders.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-11-18 18:00

    Zuma has had a good 4 year term, he came into power with a dark cloud over his head and he has managed to dodge the bullet and now its time for everybody to hear the truth. I think that if he manages to dodge this he will be the down fall of the ANC. This guy has a bad history and he instead of trying to be honest he still could'nt help but raid the taxpayers coffers. Shame Zuma, you have so much yet you still continue to steal from the poor. Zuma and those loyalists who support him parliament are all tainted and have only tarnished the name of the ANC. The rot has been exposed because it has started to reek with the smell of corruption. Zuma your skin is thicker than the hide of an elephant. Zuma taking us on the road to distruction.

  • Erna - 2012-11-18 18:25

    It's very worrying that even when the president and his cohorts' criminal actions are exposed there are people on this forum that still see nothing wrong in this man and the anc governing the country. It isn't just a single thing that the president is alleged to be guilty of but quite a few. In any other democracy, which the president claims this is, he would be out on his ar$e, simply because he found himself in such a compromised position. You can't even believe him when he appears to be sincere - lying seems to be part of a culture and not to be wrong in SA!

  • firmsly.kabelo - 2012-11-18 18:26

    Zuma must have his day in court.

      paul.kershaw.18 - 2012-11-18 20:17

      It'll be more like a year or two in court at all the corruptions charges he should be facing

  • nick.sailer - 2012-11-18 18:29

    This is not 'boring SA politics'. It is a desparate battle between demanding and obtaining the honest effective inclusive government that we were all promised in 94, and the sordid, deceitful and even treasonous manner in which one J.Zuma and his gang of henchmen usurped the processes that protect our democracy and bullied themselves into power. It was a quiet coup, but a coup al the same. In 2009, the only thing that stood between us and the dreaded consequences of 'Zumanocracy' was the mountain of accummulated evidence that the NPA held against Zuma and that if charges were brought against him timeously, he would most certainly have been disqualified from ever becoming ANC president and consequently president of the republic. For a short time after Mbeki was recalled as president, as the next most senior ANC candidate Kgalema Mohlante held the reigns of power and I believe we caught a glimpse of the kind of even handed and competent government that the ANC is indeed capable of. But what happened? The ANC won the election and because the Mpshe decided to halt the Zuma investigation at a critical stage, the NPA failed in its duty to prosecute and convict Zuma of the grand corruption that he is most probably guilty of. Consequently, Mohlante (a far more capable president was replace by this lying, cheating buffoon. It is vital that this travesty be corrected and further disaster be averted by preventing a 2nd Zuma term, and Mpshe must be tried for treason.

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-11-18 18:42

    simply put, our president should be sitting in jail and not in parliament. But then so should most of africa's leaders.

  • Erna - 2012-11-18 18:56

    The simple fact that the NPA went to so much trouble to stop this from being published says it all and has had exactly the opposite effect. They never learn!

      Paul Mphap - 2012-11-18 21:09

      npa is as corrupt as zuma!!!!!

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-18 20:02

    Will we all as citizens of SA get a Xmas bonus of R500million each when the truth of the thievery by all the comrades becomes clear? Should be easily affordable with the figures that have been vomited out by the ANC

  • eugene.ngobeni.7 - 2012-11-18 20:34

    The DA should stop chasing the ANC around and tell us what their vision and mission are,if they want my vote

      pws69 - 2012-11-18 21:26 All your questions answered. :-)

  • thabo.shaku - 2012-11-18 23:33

    No amount of delays, side-shows and footwork will stop the truth from coming out!!

  • brionyl.french - 2012-11-19 05:26

    YES WE DO!!! Its time to go to the Rural areas and educate these people... you have no water because ZUMA needs a home, You have no EDUCATION cos ZUMA needs a home, YOU have NO job because ZUMA allows CRIME to rule this place and Foreign investors refuse to take the risks....

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-19 07:06

      u have been misinformed there is clean water, electricity and schools in rural areas we live there.

  • quarty.vanzyl - 2012-11-19 07:46

    Maybe this is the real reason for Nkandla -gate. A hiding place for the head man when the police come looking for him?

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