DA warns Nkwinti on land seizure

2011-07-11 12:58

Cape Town - Remarks by Land Reform Minister Gugile Nkwinti suggesting land expropriation without compensation was a possibility, were an ill-considered attempt to appease the ANC Youth League, the Democratic Alliance in Limpopo said on Monday.

"The minister, a senior government official, clearly wants to appease the ill-thought stance of the ANC Youth League," said DA Limpopo leader, Desiree van der Walt in a statement.

"Firstly, such rhetoric from politicians only serves to downgrade South Africa as an investment destination. No investor goes to a country where their investment can just be grabbed at a whim," she said.

"Secondly, expropriation without compensation will require tampering with the Constitution."

City Press reported on Sunday that Nkwinti, after a land hand-over ceremony in Limpopo, said it was important to be “realistic” about the call of the youth league for the forced take-over of land to speed up redistribution.

“I spoke to [ANCYL president] Julius [Malema] on the Monday of the week after the conference.

“Julius says we as the youth league put the matter the way we think we should put it, and says the minister will have to find a way of putting it in government language. That’s my job and he was correct.

“Remember these are young people who are also concerned about their future. They are actually saying to us: think about it, it’s going to be us tomorrow, what are you going to leave for us.

“I think it’s very important that it happens now because you have people in the ANC government and the ANC itself who still have credibility among the people,” he said.

Only 7.4 million hectares of the 25 million hectares of farm land the department aimed to distribute by 2014 had been transferred to previously disadvantaged South Africans.

  • WaggaMamma - 2011-07-11 13:08

    What an idiot!!! "Remember these are young people" he says. When I was growing up and there was discipline around, young people were seen and not heard. No wonder the country is going to ruin - just watch the Rand!!!

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-11 13:29

      All these ANC ministers are trying to appease the youth league. There is no backbone amongst the lot of them - just a yellow streak!

      Gomez - 2011-07-11 13:30

      Agreed.Just look at the Aurora disaster.A clear example of ANC running business.But then again,they want not the poor to be benifitted meerly grabbing while they are still in power.

      Zinki - 2011-07-11 13:34

      The moment the land invasions start, we will be heading towards another Zim. The rand will drop and never recover.

      paulf - 2011-07-11 13:57

      The former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, once commented that whoever thought that the ANC could rule SA was living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Why was Thatcher right? In the 16 years of ANC rule, all the symptoms of a government out of its depth have grown worse. • Life expectancy has declined from 65 years to 53 years since the ANC came to power; • In 2007, SA became a net food importer for the first time in its history; • The elimination of agricultural subsidies by the government led to the loss of 600000 farm workers’ jobs and the eviction from the commercial farming sector of about 2,4-million people between 1997 and 2007; and • The ANC stopped controlling the borders, leading to a flood of poor people into SA, which has led to conflicts between SA’s poor and foreign African migrants. What should the ANC have done, or be doing?The answer is quite straightforward. When they took control of the government in 1994, ANC leaders should have: identified what SA’s strengths were; identified what SA’s weaknesses were; and decided how to use the strengths to minimise and/or rectify the weaknesses.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-07-11 13:58

      Does this also mean that I can "expropriate" without "compensation" on one of Zuma or even minimas' houses? I'll bring my own sqautters!!

      sganja - 2011-07-11 14:00

      Thank you minister, what you are saying make sense.

      Tooth Fairy - 2011-07-11 14:06

      What is the problem? We can always import food from Zimbabwe once we have demolished our productive farms?

      Carbon - 2011-07-11 14:11

      So, is this enough warning for all South Africans to become worried, or do we still hope, until the day we realise there is not enough lifeboats on the Titanic? The fact that everyone is talking about it and the government is not setting this rumor straight, is worrying. This debate about nationalisation and land grabbing has been going on long enough and government has not said one thing to reassure the public. I feel uncomfortable in this country...very.

      Aish - 2011-07-11 14:22

      Surley even in African culture the Elders are in charge, why is it the other way round now? Its ALL MONEY BASED!!!!

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:31

      @ Waggamamma: You're in the wrong century. Our children WILL be the ones that have to live with our stuff ups..... but that has nothing to do with the issue of land reclamation.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-07-11 14:37

      @sganja : Explain to me what he said?

      Virginia - 2011-07-11 14:58

      They are so conerned about the youth and their problems, what about the parents of these youths who do not have work to give these youths qulity of life. Their government should be fired and a caretake government put in place to make this so called "youth Leader" understand the economics of this world.

      willieman - 2011-07-11 15:05

      The thing is if people invade the land there are consequences for an example >sanitation--this will lead to the area smelling like crazy >health----the hospitals will have to deal with more complex diseases >water----someone must provide water everyday while we still debate the legalities >electricity---Eskom and council need to come up with a plan >infrastructer in general >security---saps need to come up with a plan of effective policing It is very easy to incite the poor masses to participate in things that will hurt them at the end.WE NEED A LEADERSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY NOT UNSCRUPULOUS SHORTSIGHTED POLITICIANS

      Tommy Geyer - 2011-07-11 15:06

      Mr President, how can you allow a Minister to go agains the ANC contitution??? No respect for you or the ANC's constitution, go read it please!

      Baddy - 2011-07-11 15:14

      @sganja - yes, it makes sense!! To see all the dumb followers aggreeing with these stupid people... Do you even know what this is about?

      nem - 2011-07-11 15:56

      Its all old nazi deception tactics being used,the same tactics that was taught to mugabe by karl josef silberbauer when he was living post war in brazil when he was caught by the Iraeli Mossad, afterward they revealed lengthy wire tapping between mugabe and karl,this is where malema and the anc are getting these tactics of manipulation and deceit from. No matter what the youth will rise up here,with malema at the wheel there will be alot of inhouse faction fighting amongst the tribes here and malemas henchman will be evicting white from farms and homes,just like pre 94 when they were wondering the streets deciding which one of the whites houses they were gona take,except this time its going to be masses. Since the 70 the anc has always said they were going to drive the whiteman back to where he came from,the sea,this is still on their agenda.We (white,blacks and couloureds) need to all migrate south to the Western Cape,declare it an independent state and live off tourism,thats if we want our own democracy and freedom,if not then stay where you are and good luck to you and be safe.

      BMFree - 2011-07-11 19:33

      So the head of the YL Can tell the Rural development & land reform minister how to proceed on issues that according to the ANC leadership are not on the table yet......... Bu**S**t Anyone? Ps And still a absentee President, Noboddy home.........

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-07-12 17:17

      You should listen to the farmers about why 'the willing seller, willing buyer ' is failing... the government officials employed to buy the farms are lining their pockets by inflating the prices the farmers are asking. One farmer said he was amazed when the farm he was trying to sell for R5 million was turned down as too expensive - and when he made further enquiries the amount he was supposed to be asking was R12 million... the corruption is staggering...and it is all coming out of the taxpayer's pockets...

  • johncarlos.biza - 2011-07-11 13:11

    "it’s going to be us tomorrow, what are you going to leave for us." - why not work for their own things?!

      Bilbo - 2011-07-11 13:16

      Work! Haha John, good one. They don't even know what the word means..

      Andrew - 2011-07-11 13:49

      where are the jobs?

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:32

      Excellent point, Andrew. Mostly bestowed on cadres and family.

      Zinki - 2011-07-11 14:43

      Before grabbing land, they should EDUCATE their youth first. That should be the top priority in this country. Everyone under 16 should be in school! But they seem to keep the population largely uneducated because they can keep voting for them because of ignorance. If they were educated they would see the light!

      Greegs - 2011-07-11 16:13

      Come and get it! I'll be waiting.... bang bang!

      DW - 2011-07-11 16:56

      @ Gahle - I am so glad that you realise that you are not thinking clearly. So quietly go back to school and learn something before you come here and talk rubbish. You dont have nothing to start with. You have a country which has a democracy, companies which have invested here giving millions of people jobs (besides what they produce, a lot of which gets sold overseas bringing in foreign currency), farms producing food. Take all of that away and then you have no jobs, no skills, no food, no money. Is that where you want to start? Losing productivity will leave you in the same situation as Zimbabwe. Their people are starving, there is no food on the shelves, and the rich at the top have their money in overseas accounts (they cant trust to leave it in the banks of their own country - shows how much faith they have in their own system) - and the majority of them are well educated. It will be much, much worse here as our people lack the basic skills and there is no country South of us where they can run to when the going gets tough - unless they run into the sea. Do you think jobs, food and money fall out of the sky?

      Neles - 2011-07-11 17:39

      "Once we have settled the score then we can start thinking clearly" lol

      tryanything - 2011-07-11 18:06

      Not what can we do for our country but what can eet do for us? Heard that somewhere before..

      Gahle - 2011-07-11 18:07

      An interesting fact is that my previous statement is exactly how the ANCYL thinks in approaching this problem and I am completely convinced that this is how they will implement it. Unless we start standing together and really uniting our voice against the rubbish of land reform then we will be staring down the barrel soon. Sorry if my statement was misinterpreted, it was supposed to be a satirical view point.

      Raymond - 2011-07-11 20:10

      The only that works on them is their stomach.

      G-spotWizard - 2011-07-12 10:36

      Johncarlos, are you insane??? Look at the numbers Only 7.4 million hectares of the 25 million hectares. That is a drop in the ocean. Without land we are nothing, nothing, nothing!!!!!!!!!

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-07-12 13:33

      In 1994 there was 85 000 farms in private (white) hands under cultivation. Today this is 14 000. The government has 65 000 properties classified as farms or Agricultural holdings in their ownership... Nationalisation of farms have allready happened - it has not been redistributed to the black farmers. Probably because of the example of farms like Libanon - where one of the biggest citrus farms was totally destroyed and the new cooperative is looking for foreign investors to lend them R100 million to get it back into production... maybe they should ask Malema to invest?

  • michaelp1 - 2011-07-11 13:17

    "What are you going to leave for us?" Why doesn't Minister Nkwinti have a CLOSE look at what has happened right on his doorstep, in the Eastern Cape, to those farms that have already been redistributed. Redistribute more - and the next generation will have NOTHING!!!! Why do the ANC continue to ignore ALL the warning signs and side themselves with populist politics. Not one of our so called leaders has enough guts to stand up and tell the truth, and the youth don't want to hear it..!!! Minister Nkwinti has seen what is happening in the Eastern Cape - but chooses to keep his head buried deep in the sand - WHAT kind of a leader is that???

      Zinki - 2011-07-11 13:33

      It all started with the homelands in the eastern cape. Look what a shambles they are in. Well established farms were literally given to the homelands and they are now fallow. Nothing happens on them. The fences were the first to be stolen, then the farmhouses plundered, then everything went to rack and ruin. Thriving tobacco and citrus farms are now just nothing. Stock farms are now overgrown and full of ticks etc. The people squat wherever they like and rape the land. It should have been a lesson to Nkwinti who comes from that area.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-11 13:52

      Go one step further. 50 years ago, the Transkei was lush green vegetation and well looked after crops. Then it was handed over and turned into a 'Bantustan'. Spot the difference!

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:33

      And whose idea was the notion of "bantustans"... and why the hell should people develop a place that basically served as a prison. Stupid statement.

      Zinki - 2011-07-11 14:47

      Mike, not even 50 years ago. The Transkei gained independence in the 70s and the Ciskei a few years later. Look what has happened to that land now. The younger people have to go to Joburg and Cape Town to work while the poor old women stay in the homelands and look after the strings of grandkids. They end up living in extreme poverty after a while because the money from Joburg and CT dries up when the working ones start new families in the cities. Sad but true!

      Zinki - 2011-07-11 14:55

      Daaivark, it is not a stupid statement. The homelands had farming projects that were aimed at teaching the inhabitants how to farm effectively. Irrigation projects were set up at great expense (Whittlesea), with centre pivots, etc and the people were taught how to grow crops and feed themselves and maybe make some money out of it. Well, when these projects were handed over after many years, the people were too lazy and unmotivated to carry on, so they went to rack and ruin. Same with cattle, sheep and goat farming projects (Queenstown, Deepdale). In some areas there were citrus (Seymour) and pineapple farms (Peddie)handed over after a few years of teaching them and they also resulted in nothing. A lot of money was spent training people in farming methods when the homelands started and when they were left to their own devices, it all crumbled. It's easier to rely on handouts than to get off your butt and do it yourself.

      michaelp1 - 2011-07-11 16:39

      To you who 'Disliked' my comment - WHY don't you go and see for yourself??? It's there for everyone to see. I am NOT even referring to those farms which were bought for the Ciskei and Transkei - I am talking about far more recent acquisitions. From beautiful, productive farms providing employment - to literally ZERO!! ZERO productivity and ZERO employment and they will take millions of Taxpayers Rands to restore.

      Ross - 2011-07-11 17:35

      Look at Hillbrow which is actually a microcosm of the route "Azania" is heading for. The Blacks must first "Eina" before their thought processes re-directs itself. Kenneth Kaunda did what the Blacks want now and Zambia collapsed. The Chinese now owns the place and the Blacks are working for a pittance. Kenneth is living in South Africa like a lord picking the remnants of the Apartheid South Africa.

      michaelp1 - 2011-07-12 09:06

      Isn't it soooo sad when people refuse to believe the TRUTH? I commented that the 'Dislikers' should go to the EC and see the degradation for themselves - why don't you rather comment where there is a 'success' - so I can go and see for myself. SEEING IS BELIEVING. You clearly don't want to believe so you don't want to go and see!!!!

      York Hunt - 2011-07-13 10:15

      @Daaivark. Stupid Statement!

      Craigr - 2011-08-25 15:12

      Another example, lets say the goverment expropriate a 100ha farm outside Brits and tell 10 000 people working in Pretoria it is now their's. How many will give up work and go there? Right... that is what I thought.

  • Montblanc - 2011-07-11 13:23

    No need to change the constitution. They will just ignore it. The police ignores it anyway to protect property rghts as the case of the farmer against illegal squatters in the free State proved. Without action, the constitution is just another piece of worthless paper.

  • Kenpachi - 2011-07-11 13:25

    Giving land is one thing but to maintain it is completely different. All the "new farmers" do is feed off the wealth left behind until nothing remains and then we starve. The West should refuse to give aid to SA if the ANC and Malema fck up SA agriculture. Let them starve cos they dont wanna learn

  • Mr_Mind - 2011-07-11 13:25

    Yes MINISTER! Let's not forget the Constitution the ANC put in place! Has that document just been forgotten or is it still the highest of South African law? Suppose it didn't matter to a prick in a suit catching a nap in parliament when this stuff is discussed! SO AGGRAVATING!!!!! Expropriation is not legally possible so you suggesting it is a possibility is indication of a criminal conspiracy!!! Get it through your thick skull!

  • Wayne - 2011-07-11 13:25

    And to think expats want to return to SA, hahaha yeah right

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 13:55

      @jowza - No need to as I qualify for a state sponsorhip to Australia dumb twat.

      sganja - 2011-07-11 14:06


      Wayne - 2011-07-11 14:10

      Do you always require an explanation? ...IT TAKES TIME TO IMMIGRATE AND TAKE ALL MY ASSETS WITH ME. Do you honestly think I will leaving anything behind? hahaha

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 14:22

      @jowza - I think I should leave my dictionary behind, it might help you to understand others better.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-07-11 14:31

      jowza sounds jealous of other people's ability to leave

      jowza - 2011-07-11 14:39

      waynes ability to leave john?lol.why should i be jealous of something i dont intent doing

      Baddy - 2011-07-11 14:44

      @sganja - Hahahahah, I'm laughing at you because you are such a fool. Have no idea what you scumbags are doing to this country. Looks like ur kind like walking around with flies in ur eyes and ur bellies bloated. Keep it up, that will be u and ur children walking around like that. And then the good white man with his farms that grow your food must come and help you again. Get over urself u cave freak

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 14:46

      @jowza - haha you think you know me? I know your kind all too well, I studied with 150 blacks and let me tell you my observation that I have made in that 4 years. Your kind are lazy and incompetent as 100+ failed the first year unable to solve problems logically (Maths + Accounting require a bit of logical thinking), you disregard personal hygiene as I have seen blacks use the toilets numerous times without washing their hands, not to mention wiping their hands after feasting on kfc leaving behind traces of fatty oils on the computer peripherals for the next person to enjoy. After 4 years only 2 blacks out of the 150 managed to pass, yet all 20 white and coloureds made it through. Oh on another note, some of these black colleagues of mine is well mannered, professional people that earned their respect the hard's those people that makes SA pleasant to live in.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 14:52

      Assumptions again are assuming i am are assuming i am are assuming i am lazy,and hell no idont eat kfc.

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:53

      Well Wayne, with respect, I share your skintone, but Thank God I never have to have anything to do with you. Your arrogance is no advert for the group you protest for so loudly, whether that group actually agrees with you or not.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 14:54

      baddy,i can show you many starving whites too.go to the east rand and mpumalanga,so stop generalizing

      BroederBond - 2011-07-11 14:55

      @ wayne dont think he could read it even if it was given to him...

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 15:01

      I think a couple of you should follow @daaivark's example here. He is trying to promote some intellectual dialogue amongst a bunch of idiots with @Wayne the chairman.

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 15:01

      @daaivark - The feeling is mutual, in fact I doubt that the majority shares your sentiment. So pat yourself on the shoulder for thinking you are better person than I am and give yourself that bells.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 15:02

      what are you on about broederbond.

      Aish - 2011-07-11 15:18

      @jowza - those white people you are talking about are the laziest of the laziest, there is no excuse for that. They too have jumped on the GIVE me band wagon instead of let me help myself wagon.

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 15:20

      Wayne go tell your Mamma the children won't play with you.

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 15:23

      Wayne the 150 blacks you studued with was that at your school?

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 15:34

      @Azizi - Ignorance is bliss my friend, you know all too well these 150 students are your fellow neighbours and friends.

      KnysnaSha - 2011-07-11 15:54

      Funny thing is Wayne, I am white and my boyfriend isn't and it has given me an insight into the other side of the coin- although until I have walked in those shoes I will never really now the full reality- and he see's white's as being lazy. Not to hard to understand as it is only us whiteys that are known for hiring gardeners and domestic staff. We can't even clean up after ourselves in our homes or do our own gardens. Obviously I am generalizing- my parents never had any help around the home- but after working in the Northern suburbs in Johannesburg I would say the majority of whiteys in that area are too darn lazy to lift a finger for themselves.

      BigD - 2011-07-11 16:07

      @ jowza. Who is "you" people.

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 16:12

      @KnysnaSha - You are confusing yourself with the term lazy and being comfortable in the sense of affording additional services such as maids to make your life more comfortable. We have never had maids but if I would be a billionaire and I could afford a maid, why not? It's a career for her and gives me the opportunity to use my energy on other matters.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 16:25

      wayne.all those that employ maids are billionares? bigd.what are you going on specific

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 16:28

      @jowza - jowza have a nice day and may the debate continue to tomorrow, till then watch your back.

      Charles du Toit - 2011-07-11 16:51

      @KnysnaSha My fiancee was black and I had to do all the cleaning and cooking. She works very hard, so it was OK to be a bit lazy at home.

      DW - 2011-07-11 17:08

      Knysna Sha - I work damn hard until late at night. Yes I have a maid. I can do the work myself (and have done so when she was on maternity leave) but I give her a job and give myself some time after a 12 hour day to spend with my family. I fail to see what is wrong with that. She is well paid and very happy to work for me, just as I am very happy to work for my employer. Do you propose that the "lazy whites" all fire their maids and gardeners to prove that you and your type are wrong? Are you going to find work for the unskilled workforce? Many thousands of SAffers have left this country and gone elsewhere and are perfectly capable of doing this work themselves. Your statement is stupid and biased.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 17:10

      why should i watch my back wayne.are you gay

      Neles - 2011-07-11 17:46

      @Wayne - hope you wrapping your luggage/assets if you're flying out.

      Dominic - 2011-07-11 19:04

      I remember way back in 1980 - I was a production planner at a big engineering company and I was asked to go check why the a Boksburg factory team was doing so much worse than the Germiston one. All the team members were coloured except for one white man. He was the team leader at the Boksburg factory. He only pressed buttons. He felt he was too superior to join in the heavy unskilled work or he was too lazy. Because of him I could say that all whites feel they're too superior or are too lazy to do hard work, but I would be wrong. I would be prejudiced, a bigot and a racist. Same thing if I met a lazy black thief and because of that said all blacks are lazy thieves. The sad thing is that the people who look at me with hatred are almost always people who don't know me, and usually black because of racial generalisations. I'm sure for black people it's the same, just the other side of the coin. That's what racism/bigotry/prejudice is. It's hatred or contempt for people you don't know. I see a lot of it here.

      TheRat - 2011-07-11 20:33

      @daaivark what's wrong with you, not been dipping your wick in the black septic barrel for a while huh?

      Krush - 2011-07-11 22:39

      you're right. we should stop employing domestic workers, gardeners and black people in general. lets hire after our own cultures. black people can hire only black people, white's, coloureds and indians get on just fine so we'll provide one another with employment. Lets see how many black people will be without employment then.

      G-spotWizard - 2011-07-12 10:39

      Yes, Black expats are coming back to takeover those lands.LOL!!!!!

      mark - 2011-07-13 06:34

      I have a driver - that does not mean I cannot drive, does it? I can however sit in the back of the car while he drives and I work on my laptop or make phone calls, i.e, I'm being more productive. PLUS, I am giving another person a job, no matter how small it may be!!

  • g t - 2011-07-11 13:26

    Those farms distributed to black farmers are all productive and feeding the nation? I DON'T BLOODY WELL THINK SO!

      MrSpiderman - 2011-07-11 13:59

      Unless you like a "zoll"?

      Taurusaurus - 2011-07-11 14:18

      MrSpidermin, they can't even cultivate cannabis. They would tear up the sprouting plants to smoke them long before they've come anywhere close to maturity.

      BroederBond - 2011-07-11 14:57

      even zoll cant be produced by the clowns

      Met - 2011-07-11 17:38

      Last night they showed an export farm which was given to claimants 10 yrs ago plus R 21 mil. No one can explain what has happened to the money and all that is left of the buildings, is a shell- stripped of everything including the window frames

      G-spotWizard - 2011-07-12 10:40

      You don't think so hein!!! I guess you believe that we are getting all the farm produce from Zimbabwe. I SUGGEST YOU THINK AGAIN AND THINK HARD THIS TIME.

  • biskit - 2011-07-11 13:27

    The land is for everyone who lives in it - work pays off

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 15:55

      @daaivark the original comment was 'we can't go south like the zims because south is the sea'. I was making a suggestion.

  • Louisf1 - 2011-07-11 13:27

    What will a nation eat... What will a nation drink... Famine knows no skin colour, gender, religion, ideology...does not vote ANC or DA. It just devour whatever is in it's way. I hope the ANCYL has thought about this. There is no South Africa south of us in order for us to flea to like the Zimbabweans, only the sea

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:38

      Azizi, you really are stupid for someone who has such a lot to say. I was born here. My father was born here as was my mother. Both my mother's parents were born here. I hate boats. I love my country. It will take more than some dumb troll to make me leave. I intend to do what I can to make a peaceful home for my children. Isn't that what you want? So what's the problem?

      BroederBond - 2011-07-11 15:03

      @azizi during history were you absent in class? ja we came in boats you you came from up north - go back to where you come from you ignorant idiot.

      willieman - 2011-07-11 15:19

      I cannot believe how can we throw gabbage at one another like this yet we claim to be south africans no solutions,you do not have to think of going to the sea ,to do what,disappointing

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 15:59

      I was absent because I never took history

      KnysnaSha - 2011-07-11 15:59

      It is sad that the youth from the ANCYL really think that the lands and mines will be handed out to them. If there is any nationlisation or land reclaimed they can be standing in line but won't see a thing. And no doubt those corrupt politicians in government will be the only benefitting. Time for this government to clean up their house and get rid of corruption first I think and then the youth will see a lot more changes instead of all the taxpayers money going into greedy, corrupt officials pockets.

  • Wollie - 2011-07-11 13:28

    There is no such thin as expropriation without compensation. Should such policy be implemented most foreign countries would support the attachment of SA assets abroad to compensate those from who assets were taken. Same as when Zim assets were attached here. Same also applies to nationalisation of companies, especially foreign owned companies. - 2011-07-11 13:43 will never happen. you and yours are too stupid....have you ever seen an intelligent sheep??

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 13:52

      @Kongo - You are barking up the wrong tree my china, these boere will moer you that you won't know if you are black or white.

      Jon - 2011-07-11 13:53

      Hell Kongo - you are really not thinking. Do you think you are going to get land and money from the mines? Are you seriously thinking your life will be better? Wake up dude, you are about to swim to australia too before your family starves.

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 13:58

      The land was origanally taken without compensation why should it be given back with compensation.

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 14:02

      Azizi - uhm HELLO?!?!?! We bought our properties you dumb twat and technically the land was never yours to begin with.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-07-11 14:05

      Kongo, then you'll still be waiting until the day you die, because you do not receive what you have not worked for, you do not received what is not yours, and you do not receive what you are NOT entitled to. Skin color does not give you any more human rights than another human being. Get used to that fact, you racist.

      CM - 2011-07-11 14:06

      Kongo what's your address? I'll send you my white man cheque that I get from the mines every month.

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 14:13

      @Wayne forgot you don't live in the past to embarising

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 14:19

      @Azizi - Why would I want to live in the past? Why would anyone want to live in the past? Oh I forgot you still use apartheid as the scapegoat for your failures...typical tsk tsk - 2011-07-11 14:19

      dumb and dumber @sganja and azizi. stir as much as you like, its going to get you nowhere. 10 years from now you will still be singing the same tune...still with nothing

      Taurusaurus - 2011-07-11 14:20

      @Azizi, Wayne was addressing Kongo and referred to the fact that the non-whites were not in possession or ownership of the majority of the land throughout South Africa in the first place, all the way up through to Gauteng. Much of the land was purchased, or warring tribes who assaulted settlers had to be killed in defense - not in conquest.

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:39

      Wayne, try reason. It is usually much more effective than just blowing hot air. That is, if you are able.

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 14:48

      Yes @Taurusaurus defending land they had never paid for. All in the context of the word you used 'Settler'.

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-07-12 17:03

      @ Wollie - most mines and banks are listed on the stock exchange, with the majority shareholding by pesnion funds and foreigners. We are begging for foreign investment... so nationalisation without compensation would alienate further investment and steal money from pensioners. @azizi - go read up about the Mfekane and the start of the Matabele tribe - when the Voortrekkers got to what is no Gauteng, it was virtually empty...Mzilikzai had murdered and enslaved the local tribes when fleeing Shaka. The mines had to import labour in the early 1900's...which started a whole new social problem. So who exactly does the mines belong to?

  • ZumaGabe - 2011-07-11 13:33

    The bunch of ANCorruption retard gangstas wont leave anything for you MALenema. They are too busy looting themselves

      BroederBond - 2011-07-11 15:06

      no bud they would still be trying to invent the wheel........

  • Vrijheid - 2011-07-11 13:37

    This country is so close to a revolution, I can taste the blood in my mouth. Imagine the amazement on the masses faces when one day whites are all exterminated, and they still continue their struggle... sigh Africa, I wish we never came here, they would still be in huts and I will not have existed to witness the liberals destructive nature.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 13:49

      you take a lot of credit for something you were not part of

      tams - 2011-07-11 13:59

      Vrijheid, hulle sou nie meer bestaan het nie want sou mekaar uitgemoor het en die ander sou van honger doodgaan soos in die res van Afrika.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 14:07

      is dit tams

      Taurusaurus - 2011-07-11 14:13

      Quite honestly, I don't think whites will be the "main target", because as someone quite eloquently put it, "every black man wants to be a baas". If they all want to be in charge, there will obviously be fighting amongst those who want to be in power. (just look at the ANC's infighting and savage internal politics)

      K.W.F.L - 2011-07-11 14:31

      @jowza what have you and your people done for this country? Why did you not develop this country before the white man came? Or is it that you have oppressed your self so long that you had to blame someone else?

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:41

      @tams: Mopet eerder asseblief nie ons moedertaal beswadder met sulke snert nie. Netnou dink mense ek is so toe soos jy.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 14:42

      no you tell me T.O.R.N.F.L. What have you done

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:42

      jammer, "moet". Haastige vingers as ek de moer in is.

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 14:54

      @daaivark - Sluk jou trots jou stuk gemors, jy verteenwoordig nie die afrikaanse mense nie.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 15:04

      you definately dont wayne.they are much smarter than you

      Stryder - 2011-07-11 15:31

      @Jozwa- We get given a lot of credit for something we weren;t part of as well. You know, "Go home to Europe" . Pay for apartheid. etc etc ad nauseam.

      Andrew - 2011-07-11 15:53

      Vrijheid@ what a load of excretion is coming forth from your mouth.

      Charles du Toit - 2011-07-11 16:59

      @Wayne, jy defnitief ook nie

      Neles - 2011-07-11 18:04

      I hate it when afrikaaners fight.

      G-spotWizard - 2011-07-12 10:42

      You BLOODY PROPHET OF DOOM. If you care a bit about this country you should start praying.

  • FRpower - 2011-07-11 13:43

    @kongo you need to stop drinking that shack beer,your sluring your words.

  • Peter - 2011-07-11 13:50

    These brain-dead morons are going to destroy this beautiful country. It will go the same way az Zimbabwe. All they want is to grab what they dont have and what they are not entitled to, without paying for it.

      Azizi - 2011-07-11 14:54

      No we want back what was ours origanaly.

      photofreak - 2011-07-11 17:13

      @azizi...when was it yours? We bought our farm from Landbank 15 years ago. We never stole anything from anybody. We started with a farm that no-one wanted, not even our tribal neighbours, and built it up. I'll bet if expropriation starts ours will be one of the first to go as it's next to tribal land and very productive and profitable. Makes me sick.

  • shado - 2011-07-11 13:51

    Expropriation without compensation is just talk do not think it will happen,maybe this is a strategy to get those with farm to panick and eventually sell the farms whilst they can. Remember this comes from the 'Willing buyer willing seller concept' which according to Julius did not work, can't speak that one not clued up enough.

  • Brz15 - 2011-07-11 13:54

    @kongo, you are just as big of an idiot as Mallema!! We can give you a piece of open field with alot af grown grass ans mud huts!! Then we will have given you back what you had once before!! Because without us, YOU would have nothing!!!!

      Carbon - 2011-07-11 14:22

      That is a bit harsh dude. It is difficult to establish what route an African country would have taken, without European influence, as there is none. The African race is primitive, compared to the rest of the world, but then also, whites are primitive to the far east. I wish all EU countries will assist all the white Africans from the continent, and withdraw any interest in the continent, then only will we see how the continent will survive without white influence.

      White Oak - 2011-07-12 10:41

      Carbon, maybe not as harsh as you think. Read here what a black person has to say about Africans.

      Carbon - 2011-07-12 13:38

      point taken

  • Matt - 2011-07-11 13:55

    What Malema's supporters fail to realise is that even the whites who run farms are Africans too... to suggest otherwise is pure racism. Honestly I don't care what skin colour the farmer has, as long as he produces crops and feeds the nation

      G-spotWizard - 2011-07-12 10:46

      Tell them brother. If any black man in this country believe that this is a rainbow nation they should realize that had this country have no white people this would be NO rainbow nation. South africa land belong to all south africans. The land grap is just sheer discrimination.

  • Andrew - 2011-07-11 13:55

    I'm all for new farmland to be given to blacks from government owned land to start new farms. We need more farms. But it would be really stupid to take existing , successful farms and risk our country's food security for the sake of corercting past inbalances. Plus, it would be illegal!!

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:41

      A sensible remark! Great!

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-07-12 17:09

      yes - apparently some 14 000 farms still in white private ownership, producing 90% of the food. (compared to 85 000 in 1994) And 65 000 farms and agricultural holdings in government hands....

      Craigr - 2011-08-25 15:28

      Problem is the Law that says it is illegal now, will be changed. Old adage, He who all the gold, makes all the rules..

  • York Hunt - 2011-07-11 13:55

    AH, that sweet (not) smell of socialism! Just take someone's property and give it to someone else. Karl Marx would be so proud!

      daaivark - 2011-07-11 14:55

      Oh my. That pathetic "rooi gevaar" skeletal spectre again.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 15:05

      but thats what the west did to bail out companies recently

      jowza - 2011-07-11 15:32

      so nem according to your explanation something went wrong,you still here,or did quality control not pass you fit for europe

      nem - 2011-07-11 15:59

      Jowza i lived abroad for many years and returned,after my travels,now here to educate you fools.

      nem - 2011-07-11 15:59

      Its all old nazi deception tactics being used,the same tactics that was taught to mugabe by karl josef silberbauer when he was living post war in brazil when he was caught by the Iraeli Mossad, afterward they revealed lengthy wire tapping between mugabe and karl,this is where malema and the anc are getting these tactics of manipulation and deceit from. No matter what the youth will rise up here,with malema at the wheel there will be alot of inhouse faction fighting amongst the tribes here and malemas henchman will be evicting white from farms and homes,just like pre 94 when they were wondering the streets deciding which one of the whites houses they were gona take,except this time its going to be masses. Since the 70 the anc has always said they were going to drive the whiteman back to where he came from,the sea,this is still on their agenda.We (white,blacks and couloureds) need to all migrate south to the Western Cape,declare it an independent state and live off tourism,thats if we want our own democracy and freedom,if not then stay where you are and good luck to you and be safe.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 16:05

      we definately dont people like you to educate us nem

      nem - 2011-07-11 16:31

      english please you not making any sense,retard

      realist03 - 2011-07-11 17:11

      @jowza, feel sorry for your type,which unfortunately is the majority in this land

      jowza - 2011-07-11 17:12

      that statement explains a lot

      WarPig - 2011-07-11 20:37

      @daaivark. If you served during the Angola conflict you would understand the "rooi gevaar" obviously didn't. And the rooi gevaar rose to power here in 1994. Catch a wake up!

      White Oak - 2011-07-12 10:44

      nem, you left out 'daaivark' between 'blackman in africa and white man'.

  • Hangmann - 2011-07-11 13:58

    Can someone tell us what's happening on the 7.4 million hectares that have been transferred???????????

      DeonL - 2011-07-11 14:36

      Not much.

  • Geraldine - 2011-07-11 14:00

    If impoverished youth are looking forward to a bright future. They should earn it! The matter of handing out to the poor does not equip them with skills or pride. If this is what we nurture; then value and worth is not recognized. Forget about the rand value... They will trade their land - eventually!

  • Ingie - 2011-07-11 14:00

    Why do they get land free and willing. WE have to pay for ours. He needs to put his money where his mouth is and shut up as he cannot even do a proper sentence and i quote, "put the matter the way we think we should put it, and says the minister will have to find a way of putting it in government language. Do I say more so I rest my case. Who will invest in SA knowing that sometime in the not too distant future it will be taken from under you..Pathetic bunch or morons who have no idea what they are doing think they just like the wond..RECLAIMING. If the young are so concerned about their future should they not be doing/working towards something they want instead of getting handouts all the time.

  • Geraldine - 2011-07-11 14:01

    If impoverished youth are looking forward to a bright future. They should earn it! The matter of handing out to the poor does not equip them with skills or pride. If this is what we nurture; then value and worth is not recognized. Forget about the rand value... They will trade their land - eventually!

  • Ingie - 2011-07-11 14:01

    @ KOngo go and smoke another joint as yuor brain is already stuffed

  • Dave - 2011-07-11 14:01

    It's the old story of the tail wagging the head. So now you know why the powerhouse is a sh*t house.

      Ingie - 2011-07-11 14:05

      LOL quite correct..good one

  • NeroNerd - 2011-07-11 14:04

    @kongo do the people living in Zim have food or not?

  • umlaut - 2011-07-11 14:06

    The land reform officials were dragging their feet with the land deals on purpose hoping that the ancyl would grab the land and then they don't have to pay out anything and it means more possible money in their private pockets. The longer they dragged it out the more impatient the poor would get and malema was supposed to push them into such deeds.

  • Gibbonater - 2011-07-11 14:07

    All I want to know is that if my land is bonded to the bank I do not own my land. If it is then seized without compensation, who owes the outstanding balance to the bank.If I have borrowed money to upgrade my land who then pays the bank back if I am unable to farm. If I have bought 1000 hectares at a price and these clowns take half, will my bond reapayments be adjusted accordingly s I now do not "own" the portion taken. I spend a lot of thime in the old Transkei and Ciskei and belive me when I say thet these people have no idea how to farm except to grow subsistance crops. The animals ovetgraze the land as all the fencing has been ripped down ans sold for scrap. There is interbreeding among the sheep, cattle and goats. Not interspeceies breeding. Untill I actually see a wrking farm in these areas will i believe that these people can farm. What they do not realise is that farming is a seven day a week, 365 day a year job. Cattle need to be milked every day, sometimes twice a day. The maintanence on a farm is ongoing.Animals need to be fed, waterd and kept in a genral clean and healthy environment. This a job not for the fainthearted. But then agin why farm when you can live off the multiple grants offered by the ANC? We Will be importing food very soon, and it wont come from the ANC friends like Cuba, China and the old USSR, but from the West like always. Out will come the outstretched hand and the sorrowful pleading eyes because all is gone.

      Ingie - 2011-07-11 14:17

      well we dont have to go down that far south to see that tehey can't farm just look at the surrounding areas about 40mins drive from Durban..Richmond area - those that have farms farm nothing. They are not a self supporting nation and need the brains of a whiteman to actually show them how to irrigate, plant, cut etc. All the men can do is sit on the stoep and smoke. They dont care about interbreeding of animlas because as long as a goat, sheep or calf is produced they are quite happy. Just shows you where the mentality is.

  • NeroNerd - 2011-07-11 14:09

    @Kongo in what department are you employed at in the ANCYL? By the way Youth League at what age do you stop being a youth? As far as my memory serves me right I would say 21 not 30+ Grow Up Julius Malemamama!

  • bill - 2011-07-11 14:09

    Thatcher was correct. The ANC is incapable of running a country.Now that the few intellectuals have been chased away , all that remain are greedy, corrupt and thoroughly amoral scavangers.

  • tkotze - 2011-07-11 14:09

    Namibia found oil. If I had to be forced out of RSA I am quite happy to go and build an economic powerhouse in Namibia. Have really don't feel like fighting in a civil war where everyone will be loosing.

  • seansauk - 2011-07-11 14:16

    The Farmers should take any offers the Gov gives them. Kick back for 1 year by the sea side and then buy it back at a fraction of the price once they have F%*ked it up... which they will..... That's if they even manage to go a full year.....or maybe the Farmers should go on strike and show SA what it will be like if they go ahead with "land distribution".

  • Gavin - 2011-07-11 14:17

    He who works and pays for a thing, owns a thing. He who changes the laws and steals a thing, is f'ing lazy coward and needs a bullet in the back of their heads.

  • Dave - 2011-07-11 14:18

    7.4 million hectares is a $hit load of land one would think. our of the 7 million hectares, how much of that is currently productive?

  • Neil Parker - 2011-07-11 14:21

    Another 'groot trek' should be contemplated. No use trying to speak sense to people who plainly think Zim is Africa's greatest success story. Just up and leave and shake the dust of your feet on the stairs of the Union building. With Mandela we had hoped all the idiocy of Africa to the north of us would be avoided - with Malema and the bare bums brigade, no way!

      Neil - 2011-07-11 14:30

      Fully agree.

  • shado - 2011-07-11 14:30

    Name calling like, "these people" "idiots" "Your people"goes to show how divided this country still is. Makes me wonder what do the children of this nation get to hear coming out of their parents's mouth. There needs to be an appreciation of each other's past, no matter how unimportant that past it is to you, the deeper understanding of another individual and what informs their belief system and values it is one way of improving human relations. The fact is our children are going to be left behind and we are all going to pass on one day, whether we like it or not they will have to learn to live with each other. Where are your (both balck and white people) christian values. What do you think god has to say about your thoughts towards another human kind? if not for yourself at least do it for your children.

  • LLEWELLYN - 2011-07-11 14:38

    just you try to take my property ill fight to the death and ill take as many as i can with me. ANCYL = IQ of 1.

  • tripwire - 2011-07-11 14:48

    Give it away , Give it away , Give it away , Give it away , we are entitled to everything because our WE where first as africans so we call Dibs ! Who will pay the bond on the houses and also taxes , not these people, we will pay as the 5% Tax payer of SA for the Criminal, electricity stealing masses. But what can you do when you play to the rules of a corrupt group ?

  • tripwire - 2011-07-11 14:53

    The wonderful dream of a new SA has been replaced by the wants of a Criminal Greedy Few. Things will get far worse and the Masses won`t change until total collapse like all other African countries =(

  • Welties - 2011-07-11 14:57

    The really frightening thing about this, is that members of government are trying to butter up Malema. What do they know that we dont know? Does it mean that he has already been earmarked as one of the next Presidents of this country? This is really very scary.

  • Virginia - 2011-07-11 14:57

    Well people of SA, I think that all we have to do if possible is draw all our saving or investments out of banks and put our property up for sale, all on same day, we might bring the financial situation of the country down, just maybe?

      jowza - 2011-07-11 15:06

      just maybe,you will have the guts to stand up to your convictions

      Neles - 2011-07-11 18:11

      I'll buy some of the property but goodness, who will buy the rest? anyone? And by some, I mean at least 1.

  • Pleurotus - 2011-07-11 15:03

    Ag nay my bru! Ek sal dan my gun op chartse moet sit.

  • echo - 2011-07-11 15:17

    Watch the Documentary "Mugabe and the White African" Says it all, just wait and see. It will happen to SA. Its a matter of when and not if.

  • ZACKIE - 2011-07-11 15:18

    anc govt idiots all competing with each other to see who is the dumbest..we will take the land then our people will die from poverty and hunger

  • grimbie1 - 2011-07-11 15:43

    @daaivark @Wayne @Jowza and all other racists, religeous and other people who just dont see. ... Ok how far are we going back here? If you actually look at the records and fossil dating you will see the homo erectus spread from Africa along with homo sapiens. All of them originated from central east Africa. The Homo erectus went to Asia and Europe and Homo sapiens spread Asia and east. After the volcano erupted in India climates changed and as a result Homo erectus unfortunately became extinct and homo sapiens then spread throughout. Soooo... the Europeans essentially came from Africa... umm.. Yeah how much further do you want to go..? Stop being so bloody ignorant and look at the bigger picture. We are coming into a very crucial time and these racist ideologies and theologies are what’s destroying the now Homo sapiens. Can’t you people see that we need to come together and act as one to be able to progress to a first civilisation? If this doesn’t happen we will destroy ourselves with our new found knowledge of quantum worlds and new energies. Look at what happened with the discovery of the atom bomb and as we all hopefully know the smaller we get the more energy is released. Does it really matter if in say 10 or 15 years time we are no longer on earth? That’s not for South Africa but the world..

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 15:53

      Sorry lost you after the word "Homo Erectus", didn't Casper once said that the word Homo erectus reminds him of a "gestimuleerde mof"? ROFL

      jowza - 2011-07-11 16:08 calling us all racists?lol.playing too much with your erectus i see

  • Dirk - 2011-07-11 16:04

    Try and take my land and you WILL leave in a body bag....not a threat just a promise.......

      jowza - 2011-07-11 16:09

      is there a tender out for body bags already

      Mad Hatter - 2011-07-11 16:19

      Does JM hoenstly think people are gonna be cool and just had over land free and with a smile on their faces. I can tell you know that the land will be poisened before in a scorched earth policy, only thing growing will be the malignent cancerous growths .

      Neles - 2011-07-11 18:14

      sounds like a rap song

  • Greegs - 2011-07-11 16:19

    @KnysnaSha - There are lazy people in all races. If your boyfriend thinks whites are lazy cos they don't work in their gardens and homes etc then he needs to wake up a bit. These people are employed because the owners or tenants of the house can afford them. Are u telling me that wealthy black people don't hire help? Can u imagine what this would do to the employment rate if they didn't work?

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 16:21

      Thanks Greegs you worded it a lot better than I did. Thumbs Up bud

      jowza - 2011-07-11 16:27

      no are changing your tune now.that is not what you ment

      Wayne - 2011-07-11 16:29

      @jowza - Read my message again jowza...S-L-O-W-L-Y...that is exactly what I meant.

  • apie - 2011-07-11 16:31

    If this is what will happen then the farmers must poison the land so that it will be useless for 100 years.

      jowza - 2011-07-11 17:13

      how will all the apies survive

      Neles - 2011-07-11 18:15

      oh no ... not the 100 year poison! please! no!

  • EuropeanAfrican - 2011-07-11 16:34

    As soon as I receive the notice from government that are taking my land without compensation I'm doing the following: 1. Sell all farm equipment and destroy what's left. 2. Sell all livestock and donate what's left to poor families. 3. Demolish all farm buildings including the farm house. 4. Rip out and destroy all water pipes, irrigation systems and Electricity supplies. 5. Rip down and destroy all fencing, security systems and gates. 6. Destroy the farm roads. They can have the land... Just the land...

      Neles - 2011-07-11 18:16

      fair comment

      Dirk - 2011-07-12 10:27

      Same here .... will even burn it down to the ground .....

      Bloodbane - 2011-07-12 11:23

      @EuropeanAfrican you missed the part of sowing salt into the land

      York Hunt - 2011-07-13 10:46

      @EuropeanAfrican. Fair comment brother. The Russians used is against the Germans in WWII - The "Burnt Earth Policy". Worked like a charm!