De Lille welcomes toilets' agreement

2011-07-05 18:15

Cape Town - Mayor Patricia de Lille on Tuesday welcomed indications that an agreement has been reached on the model of enclosure for the toilets in Makhaza on the Cape Flats, offered by the city in compliance with the Western Cape High Court ruling.

"This administration has committed itself to enclosing the Makhaza toilets with concrete.

"I'm pleased that we now have the necessary agreement to allow us to proceed with the enclosures," De Lille said in a statement.

This was a positive step forward in efforts to close the chapter of the Makhaza toilets with dignity and in a lawful manner, she said.

"I hope that this will also go a long way to repair the relationship between the city and the people of Makhaza."

City officials were already on the ground to start the physical construction of the toilet enclosures for the residents who had accepted the offer.

The installations would begin in Makhaza and then proceed to Town 2 and the SST area, she said.

Western Cape High Court Judge Nathan Erasmus on April 29 ruled the city had "lost sight of the constitutional rights and needs of the poor".

In a judgment that lasted longer than three hours, Erasmus declared the provision of unenclosed toilets at the settlement to be a violation of the residents' constitutional rights to dignity.

He ruled that an agreement concluded between the then mayor of Cape Town and the city for the provision of unenclosed toilets, was unreasonable, unlawful, and inconsistent with the mayor and city's constitutional duties to provide for the basic needs of the poor.

The judge ordered the city to enclose the 1 316 toilets that form part of the Silvertown upgrade projects which include the unenclosed toilets at Makhaza.

  • Civil_Rights - 2011-07-05 15:21

    Finally people can crap with dignity..

      Newsferret - 2011-07-05 17:43

      Ironically when living in tin, wood and cardboard shacks. The toilet enclosures will be of better construction than the shacks in most cases, yet they could have has perfectly private enclosures constructed from galvanised corrugated sheets but the ANCYL tore them down.

      angelcynn - 2011-07-05 18:06

      Ironically newsferret, "the worst DA member in Cape Town" has no inclination of dignity and respect!

      Ray - 2011-07-05 18:29

      I agree with newsferret and labrat.This was an ANC election ploy to take attention away from their poor service delivery.The ANCYL tore down the enclosures put up[notwithstanding that the residents had agreed to enclose their toilets themselves if they were given a toilet for each dwelling]. Also don't forget that Helen Zille won an international award for her role as mayor of Cape Town-do you see any ANC cadres/mayors achieving this?

      Gorilla - 2011-07-05 19:11

      I drive past a township every morning where there are decent toilets and everywhere you look in the grass you see people crapping under the blue skies.

      daaivark - 2011-07-06 08:42

      Ja Ja Gorilla, sure. Do you want to tell me that you didn't thoroughly enjoy the odd boskak when you were a kid? And what did you do when happily shooting at people in the bush whilst doing your National Service? Did you phone for a portaloo?

      Frox - 2011-07-06 11:46

      Kak storie

      Goose - 2011-07-13 16:46

      @Frox, lol

  • Mpho - 2011-07-05 15:24

    Aish aish, ya hey i guess if it wasnt because of our courts DA was going to get away with this

      Lab-Rat - 2011-07-05 15:38

      What's the bet that the anc will get away with their 1600 unenclosed toilets?

      mannymia - 2011-07-05 15:45

      Yes but lets see what happens in the ANC led regions who experienced the same problems

      CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-07-05 15:48

      The ANC did get away with it on a much larger scale.

      morentebo - 2011-07-05 15:58

      true that, they should have made her do number to on an open toilet before they close it, to see what it's like

      GP - 2011-07-05 16:29

      And did u know that the toilets were enclosed before the ANC broke down the enclosures!!! Break, destroy, vandalise, steal... is all the ANC and their people can do!

      thinkza - 2011-07-05 16:32

      @morentebo: The residents were suppose to enclose it themselves. That was the original agreement, but hey, the A.N.C. themselves does not keep promises, why should their supporters...

      Spinner - 2011-07-05 16:36

      why would they? its clear that don't have any knowledge about the history of this issue!

      Zion - 2011-07-05 16:46

      Agreed, That ANC bunch also saw their gat in the Free State when their toilets were left open. Those clowns have not done anything about it since. If it were possible, the faces of the ANC were red and not from pushing either. In the Free State you can run but not hide because there are no doors.

      franssmith100 - 2011-07-05 16:48

      at least the da has respect for the law......does the anc? well i suppose what do you expect from a party full of criminals.... - all they do is party...and steal?

      Ray - 2011-07-05 18:32

      I remember a poster in the London Underground-"The blacks will break the chains of apartheid".Some wag had added graffiti "The blacks will break anything"!!

      Other Justin - 2011-07-05 18:35

      Maybe, but while the cANCer is getting away with the literal rape of South Africa, they have cleverly diverted your attention to 1300 odd toilets that were meant to be closed by the community based on the initial agreement with them. Remember, they agreed to enclose the toilets themselves if the City of Cape Town installed MORE toilets than the bare minimum. In other words, they got what they wanted and then tricked the City of Cape Town to enclose all of them anyway. Sneaky, sneaky.......I do agree that everyone gets to go to the crapper in a dignified way, but don't tell the City, '...if you install 1000 toilets instead of the 500 planned, we will enclose them ourselves...'. Then go bananas because they aren't enclosed, very disingenuous and dishonest. You know what this means, don't you? In future, the City of Cape Town will install the bare minimum in fear of retribution, in other words a FAIL in general for the poor.

  • Slapper - 2011-07-05 15:27

    I hope that the ANC will take note and do the same..... but I doubt it?

      gcr - 2011-07-05 15:38

      I agree now they need to sort out the Free State toilets. The bigger question is what are they going to do in Zandspruit and Alexander where they have put down chemical toilets - would they also be subject to concrete surrounds?

      franssmith100 - 2011-07-05 16:48

      the anc respect a court order or the law... wishfull thinking!

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-05 16:51

      The ANC had long acknowledged this and has asked the affected councils to provide funds in the 2011-12 financial year to complete those structures and did not wait for a court order.

      Slapper - 2011-07-05 17:26

      @Myopic, Asking and doing are two different things. Will the ANC do it? I think not.

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-05 19:45

      Lets wait and see

      PB - 2011-07-06 10:21

      @myancmyfutur "asked the affected councils" TRANSLATION 'pass the buck' . And when (not if) it strangely does not happen in the 2011-12 financial year, what is going to happen to the "affected councils"? Buggerall @gcr I wonder what state the chemical toilets are in these days. And who provides the chemicals to treat those toilets. Are the toilets actually being treated?

  • Curveball - 2011-07-05 15:35

    Great news. Hopefully it will prevent turds like Julias from escaping.

  • Voyager - 2011-07-05 15:37

    Let's see if the cANCer can match that. Don't hold your breath.

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-05 16:53

      This is no voluntary exercise, its a court order and the ANC acted voluntarily to rectify the wrongs.

  • Darwinian - 2011-07-05 15:59

    untill the cANCerYL brakes it down again.....

      Liberty - 2011-07-06 08:33

      Well then next time the ANCYL can fix it

  • Maddy-CT - 2011-07-05 16:07

    Hope they have got the agreement in writing this time..

  • Civil_Rights - 2011-07-05 16:13

    They should also give the people the government's monthly pay cheques to wipe their backsides.

  • myancmyfutur - 2011-07-05 16:48

    All credit must go to the ANCYL for their persistance and even ensuring that the Council goes to court when they tried to justify this inhumane exercise. This is by no means to justify what the Moqhaka Municipality did.

      thinkza - 2011-07-05 17:18

      The Municipality followed the agreement reached between themselves and the residents. Read up on the history of this case, then come back and argue.

      POLLENYS - 2011-07-05 17:18

      @myancmyfutur OK, so let me give you a glimpse of what immense corruption your party is up to in the Northwest Province: Weigh bridge contracts; R904 million housing funds unaccounted for; housing scandals in almost every local municipality; and the more than R3 million spent on the premier's state of the province address. It seems that for the leading cadres life is about partying, travelling abroad, grand cars and hugely inflated salaries when compared to what they are worth.

      franssmith100 - 2011-07-05 18:12

      you talk about "court" - are you for a moment implying that you respect the laws and the courts? LOL And if so, as you can see, the da respected the courts decicion....can you say the same about malema and the ancyl? thought not! you talk about "inhuman excercise" - is this what you gave your "grey matter" (if their is any?) earlier when you made your "claptrap", "gibberish", "jabber" comments? Thought so!

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-05 19:44

      @ Thinkza,if I read correctly the statement ssys the agreement is in compliance with the High Court ruling or you surely missed that part you only read the topic and filled missing words then commented. @ POLLENYS I don't know what does Northwesr bridges have to do with these toilets in question @ Fransmith, at least Malema apologised to the woman he made comments about and agreed to pay R 50 000 as the court ruled so your so called grey matter is probably having selective amnesia again, go see your shrink,

      thinkza - 2011-07-05 19:57

      @myanc: You are talking about the ruling NOW. I am talking about the original one drafted months ago. The one that the residents did not follow. That is why I said read up on the history of the case...

      Richard - 2011-07-05 20:31

      Please dont make me laugh,you and your ANCYL didnt even know about the toilets at Moqhaka,it stands to reason the ANCYL couldnt tear down what wasnt there.

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-05 21:52

      @ Thinkza, we can't talk about an agreement deemed illegal by a High Court judge, in a meeting that even former Mayor Plato acknowledged that there were no minutes. @ Richard The Moqhaka toilets was an inhumane exercise that we in the ANC do not pride ourselves with and we have made it clear that we can't defend that as the SG of the ANC apologised to those Communities. We could have gone to court like other parties but we can't take Communities for granted.

      J.B - 2011-07-06 08:29

      @myancmyfuture - are you brainwashed like the rest of the 'masses'? You seem to be repeating the same drivel argument after argument. Wake up and read ALL the facts!

      Liberty - 2011-07-06 08:37

      @myancmyfutur please tell us what has been done to fix the 1600+ unenclosed and broken ANC toilets in the Free State. I am eagerly awaiting your reply

      Liberty - 2011-07-06 08:39

      And also please tell us why the ANCYL destroyed the toiler enclosures that the DA was trying to build, and why the DA should fix the enclosures destroyed by the ANCYL

      daaivark - 2011-07-06 08:43

      Don't let blind loyalty get in the way of your brain, Sir.

  • Prince ryda - 2011-07-05 18:07

    Finally... The people of cape town can do their thing happily knowing that they are within concret walls. But, will the DA also build toilets for those who squatted on the sports field?

      PB - 2011-07-06 10:48

      What I fail to understand, is the reasoning that a group of people can pick a random piece of ground to start a squatter camp. They KNOW that it is not supposed to be inhabited because 1. they have no rights to that ground and they have no intention to pay for it even if they could buy it 2. there is no existing infrastructure or any promise that it is going to happen 3. their houses will be flooded every time it rains (in the case of those squatter camps next to rivers), but every time it is a huge surprise when it happens. Still, they lay claim to these areas and cause a huge stink (literally and figuratively) when everything is not handed to them for free.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-07-15 12:43

      @PB people squat out of necessity. simple. the same occurs in Europe, it's a reaction to a housing problem. when you have nothing. squatters already have a hard enough life, they don't need you to trivialise their situation.

  • Jerome - 2011-07-05 18:10

    So glad this story has a happy ending

  • Janine - 2011-07-05 18:48

    I don't want to sound like a pessimist but what are the chances that the brick structures will be broken down so that the bricks can be used for building better shacks?

  • SaTyRLoliCoN - 2011-07-05 18:53

    What I don't understand is why these people could not have come up with a temporary solution by themselves. Seriously. They could have stolen some bricks from the white colonialist imperialist boerseuns and built enclosures. It's not that difficult.

  • Biko Lives - 2011-07-05 19:01

    Too little too late. Our people expect nothing but an apology from the DA lead government and that has not happened as yet! They are doing what the courts has forced them to do and not out of a free heart! Until we hear an apology from the madam herself all these means will mean nothing to us!!

      thefeather - 2011-07-05 19:36

      Zille and the DA did apologise actually. And Biko is dead. Build your bridge and get over it.

      daaivark - 2011-07-06 08:46

      Whoa now, Mr Dead Guy. Your favourite party had far more crap open ones in their area, so let's not get too precious.

      PB - 2011-07-06 11:06

      @Biko se laaitie You sound like a typical ANCYL brat who DEMANDS everything FOR FREE. How about PAYING for stuff that you DEMAND that the rest of us actually have to pay for. Just because I WANT a Mercedes, does not mean that I am entitled to it. Newsflash - normal people pay for whatever they have. It is because you get everything for free after whining for it, you don't have any qualms about burning down stuff that you get for free. And Helen Zille has apologised, I guess you were just too busy toy-toying about crap to take note.

  • Georgp2 - 2011-07-05 19:41

    I am afraid the DA and Zille just as bad and corrupt as the rest. They only cover up better. The projects in the Cape just the same and they also play the same toilet stuff. Sad but true

      Jeffrey Jones - 2011-07-05 19:56

      Give us the proof, don't just make accusations. SA blacks want everything for nothing. I have black acquaintances from several African countries, and every one of them says SA blacks are the laziest set of bums they have ever come across. They just do not understand this demanding of free houses, toilets, jobs.

      daaivark - 2011-07-06 08:46

      So Jeffrey, give us proof....

      sjkranenburg - 2011-07-15 12:46

      i second that daaivark... so Jeffrey, got some proof yet?

  • Charlton - 2011-07-06 09:35

    ya people give the DA a break they are just trying to help the people in a sence.why don't you guys support them if there where something in for you i am sure you would have nuh.julle is mos die mense met die geld.

  • cgtours - 2011-07-13 15:19

    Where is Malema now with his big mouth ? Why is he not there leading a march against theANC Toilets? Better still why is not explaining where he gets all the money from that he is flashing around? How is it possible that he demolishes a luxury home and ig going to built even more luxury? Where does the money come from? How about an Investigation at top level of his source of Income?

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