Delmas murders: SA flag burnt, trampled

2012-05-31 22:37

Delmas - Protesters burnt and trampled the national flag in Delmas on Thursday as two suspects in the murders of a day mother and a 5-month old baby appeared in court.

About 150 people took to the streets where Enock Mbele, 44, and Lazarus Mabena, 54, were appearing in the Delmas Magistrate's court on charges relating to the murder of Margrietha de Goede, 66, and baby Wiehan Botes.

Outside the court, protesters burnt and trampled the national flag during the march organised by members of the Volksraad Verkiesing Kommissie (VVK), who were protesting against violent crime against women and children.

They handed over a memorandum to local police. VVK chairperson Paul Kruger said the memorandum was an effort to communicate with the government in order to create a homogeneous ethnic state in South Africa for his nation.

During the protest, the group reportedly hurled slurs at black people.

According to African Eye News Service (AENS), they sang racial slogans and displayed posters bearing the words: "Black cowards – leave our women and children alone", "Besteel, verkrag, vermoor: Ons is klaar met swart Suid-Afrika" (Rob, rape, kill: we are finished with black South Africa) and "Barbare los ons kinders uit" (Barbarians leave our children alone).


Kruger defended the group, saying all the placards and the songs that were sung were nothing but a reflection of truth.

"The fact of the matter is that white people are being killed by black people in the country," he said.

Kruger said although not all blacks were murderers, most white people were dying at the hands of black killers.

He was responding to questions from AENS after the Democratic Alliance (DA) in Mpumalanga released a statement condemning the protesters’ use of racial slurs.

He insisted that the DA was in denial of reality.

"We wrote that black cowards should leave our women alone because they always attack women and children. It is rare that they attack white men.

"The DA is trying to downplay the racial basis of these killings in the country. We believe that should government heed our call for a separate state or republic for the Afrikaner community, there will be harmony in the country and the killing of our people will come to an end,” Kruger said.

DA provincial leader believes VVK’s approach is totally wrong.

"The DA condemns, in the strongest terms, the racist remarks, slogans and posters at the march… This barbaric act of murder is condemned and should rightly outrage every South African,” said DA provincial leader Anthony Benadie.

"However, it is uncalled for and unfortunate that the Afrikaner Volksraad Verkiesing Kommissie (VVK) chose to reduce such a tragic event to a racial slur.

"According to the DAs current information, no report has yet provided any evidence to suggest that the attack and murder was racially motivated.”

He said crime and murder affects all race groups in the country.

"VVK is conveniently disregarding this fact to justify their racist behaviour. More so, the DA believes that the VVK is opportunistically exploiting this tragedy in an attempt to add credibility to their organisation.

"By turning this double murder into a race-related issue, the VVK is in fact not only driving a wedge between race groups, but also attempting to undermine the efforts of all South Africans who are dedicated to fighting crime,” said Benadie.

He said over the past few weeks, several incidents in South Africa had compromised race relations in the country.

"They placed the unity of South Africa under severe strain. The actions of the VVK entrench those divisions and serve only the interest of those who wish to keep South Africans divided. There is no place for them in our society,” said Benadie.


According to provincial police spokesperson Colonel Leonard Hlathi, the suspects were arrested in Delmas on Wednesday and charged with each charged with double murder possession of stolen property.

They are accused of murdering 5-month-old Wiehan and De Goede on 23 May in Delmas.

"We found the woman and the baby’s body showing signs of being strangled to death. The woman's body was found hidden at the back room of the house - a daycare centre - and the baby's body found stashed underneath the bed," said Hlathi.

He said the suspects were found in possession of jewellery and a cell phone, which police believe belonged to the woman.

"We are still looking for Themba Ephraim Mahlangu, who was working as a gardener at the deceased's house to come forward.

"We believe that he can assist us with our investigation," he said, adding that no motive for the murders had been established yet.

Mbele and Mabena were not asked to plead when appearing in the Delmas magistrate's court on Thursday.

They were remanded while police continue investigations.

  • grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-05-31 22:55

    And where IS our minister of Women and Children rights or whatever. Her title is? Throwing another tantrum in a plane perhaps because she's not upgraded to business class? Why aren't the 'masses' fighting for this cause instead of a satyrical painting??? Hmmmm...

      sthembiso.msindo - 2012-05-31 23:02

      This is the time where they should be making all this noise they were making the whole week.

      grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-05-31 23:08

      Sthembiso... My sentiments exactly. The priorities are all screwed up!

      oom.kosie.9 - 2012-06-01 07:03

      She missed 5 UN deadlines on what SA is doing about children's rights!

      josta.shivuri - 2012-06-01 12:00

      This country of ours is a mess. When black a person kills a white person or vise versa, it does not necessarily follow that there's racial motivation. Although racial motivation may not be ruled out but it is certainly illogical to solely pin down the motivation to racism because there's a myriad of variables that were in play there which should be equally taken into account. Our leaders have indeed entrenched us (all races), as a nation, into racial divisions through some of their utterances, a case in point is the whole Spear saga and the DA march where union leaders like Jim threw racial rants beautifully decorated in "victim" colors. BUT, I am for one I am concerned and I share the outrage against such barbarism. But it does not mean all black people are criminals. And I can also safely conclude that not all white people share VVK's sentiments. The DA has proved it. "All generalizations are dangerous including this one" ~ Alexandre Dumas. Afrika Tsoga

      Althea - 2012-06-01 12:41

      @Josta.shivuri - Well said, I hope everyone is reading your comment!

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-01 13:09

      @ Josta...if only there were more people like you that can see the ANC is running their own agenda and that they using the race card as an excuse to cling to power. We need a new and fair leader. Zuma must go!

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-01 13:19

      If not racially / part racially motivated, then why kill the baby? Think!!!

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-01 16:37

      Well said Josta. I think also a lot of these more violent crimes are committed when the guys are high on drugs like TIK and Mandrax etc. Either way, government has to pull thumbs out, otherwise ALL the good and qualified people are going to leave eventually (all races) and all the ANC will have left to govern are the criminals. There's so much to sort out, and it's going to take exceptional people at the top to start cleaning up the mess.

      sheda.habib - 2012-06-01 17:29

      Paul Kruger I am not white but can I join your "homogeneous ethnic state in South Africa for your nation" I am sick to death of how the ANC is running this state.

      Denise - 2012-06-01 18:59

      The onslaught and carnage against white South Africans continues unabated. Just when I thought that the criminal element could not become more barbaric in the perpetration of their crimes I find to my great horror that I was wrong. Two horrific killings happened the last week that shocked me deeply. The first one is the hacking to death, by machete wielding black terrorists, of Frans Day, a white Automotive Mechanic in Boksburg. His youngest daughter Kaytlin (5) was the first one to see him and, since then she hasn't spoken a word, nor does she respond to anybody speaking to her. She also doesn't eat. In another horrific murder, a FIVE MONTH OLD BABY BOY, little Wiehan Botes, and his white daycare mother, Margrietha de Goede (66) were strangled to death in her home by coward racist murderous thugs. How long, people of South Africa, will we allow this to go on. We have nothing to fear more than the current violence, to which we are already exposed. The time is now to take a bold stand against the government because they lost all legitimacy the day the first child was killed under their watch!

      Lionel - 2012-06-02 07:58

      Politicians cause division and massive inefficiency. If citizens do not unite against politicians we are doomed. See my blog post on how politicians and their lust for power is killing SA.

      khuliso.ratshinanga - 2012-06-02 09:50

      because u reduce social problems of the country to race and feel too much special

      eugenedigter.terreblanche - 2012-06-04 22:03

      Guess what, the pathetic DA now complaints about the protesters for being racist. But they don't even consider protesting against those genocidal maniacs. Now there is something very wrong with that kind of behaviour.

  • Michael - 2012-05-31 22:57

    A 5 month old baby would never have been able to testify against them. It can only be out of pure hate that they killed these people. As to the flag. If it was my child I would probably have done the same. Freedom of expression.

      Irene - 2012-06-01 00:29

      Sheik ~ So true. There is nothing left to respect anymore.

      Mark - 2012-06-01 10:07

      @tamaranui: erm, no. In the States it's entirely legal to burn a flag, and is considered to be a citizen's right. As, of course, it should be in a modern democracy.

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-01 11:51

      Why does this pathetic publication continue removing my post hence; We as South Africans of all cultures are against crime no matter the race ,colour or creed of the victim . However here the anger has turned into a Race card event which is irresponsible and mindless. We have to continually teach Adults that Individuals are NOT representative of a Race or Culture. We as Blacks would help in removing Crims of this sort however once People insinuate that all Blacks are criminals then unfortunately the only loser here is the Victim/s and the rest of peaceful RSA populous.

      jeroen.kelderman - 2012-06-01 12:20

      but please dont call it racist, because its only whites that can be classified that way

      Hugh - 2012-06-01 20:36

      I have some question: If the afrikaaners are not correct and the DA and other say they are wrong. Tell us then the reason behind the wanton violence? Tell us honestly without spin. Is it because the same that say they are equal to all mankind are genetically savages? I ask because I hear so many say that this is a normal coarse of events in during crimes Black on black. Are we then saying that because our fellow citizens are violently criminal inclined that we compassionate humans should accept this as a quirk in phycii and accept they are equal in every way? Just cut the BS and tell the truth. In every case when a white has injured or killed a black it has been termed racially based. I think that the government does not want to admit that the killing are racially motivated.

  • Hanno Winterbach - 2012-05-31 23:03

    Oh, how could you not want there to be a heaven or hell!! A righteous Judge. I mean who kills a 5 month old baby. God save this country for we are utterly helpless.

      jason.roberts.14224 - 2012-06-01 12:08

      Dorothea, you are clearly showing that you're the idiot....Do the math and look at the conditions faced by the "blacks". 1. 80% of the population is black, so statistically (without accountig for any other factors)there will be much more black criminals. 2. Over 80% of the countries income is in the hands of whites, 20% dispersed amongst blacks, coloured, indians, asian & Other - What does that tell you, the blacks are among the poorest and make up the majority of the poor - Adding to the fact that their will be of course be much more black criminals. So if you want to blame somebody, blame the previous regimes that put them there.....

      Shaun.groenewald - 2012-06-01 12:42

      @jason I CAN HAZ ALSO MAKE UP STATISTICS. 100% of what I say is correct. You are wrong

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-01 13:11

      @ Jason. Dont blame it on the past. Blame it on our government. Blame it on ourselves. You can't go into the future blaming the past.

      Dave - 2012-06-01 16:50

      Jason - almost 20 years of so-called democracy & you are still blaming the previous regime? Easy to blame others if you can't blame your own regime. Your goverment has implemented reverse racism laws (BEE, quotas in schools & other institutions) to fast-track the black middle-class to what avail? Most of the whites in SA support these structures, even though they disadvantage the whites. WTF do you actually want from us?? Handouts - here is my house, here is my car. We will leave the country which we have helped to build the infrastructures over the years? Jason I am going to tell you one fact which you will find very racist - Look at the whole of Africa, in which countries is there a infrastructure & system which works (or at least partially), without civil war, without (partial) poverty etc? Yes my friend - only in those countries where there is still a portion of WHITE people remaining. Cabanga nga ku.

      Warren - 2012-06-02 00:06

      @Jason.roberts.14224 - No matter how poor you are it does not justify how they killed that baby!!! If they wanted to steal because they were poor they could have robbed that house silly without harming the baby at all!!!

      Denise - 2012-06-02 17:10

      Jason - Bollocks man! Crime in SA is Black on White or Black on Black. What is the common denominator here?

  • Popeye - 2012-05-31 23:07

    Well done brave freedomfighters, you have always been and you will always be COWARDS ! Bring back the death penalty NOW !

      Chrissie - 2012-06-01 16:05

      YES PLEASE!!!!!!

  • johan.vandermerwe.33 - 2012-05-31 23:07

    Motive for the murder is "kill the whites", there is no other motive!!

      Herman - 2012-06-01 00:06

      No, the "motive" is simply barbaric opportunism. In nature the weakest are always targeted. Western civilization developed the concepts of "the fair fight" and the notion that it is dishonorable to victimse the weak and the defenseless. Sadly, it would appear as if these values are absent from a large sector of the population.

      Heila - 2012-06-01 00:58

      thebe.tau are you trying to say that ANY reason could be a good reason to kill a woman and a baby? No matter what their motives was they should be hanged in public. And so too every white person that takes an innocent life.

      Merven - 2012-06-01 08:02

      @Jerome, and killing a 5 month old is helping them how other than feeding their racism?

      Herman - 2012-06-01 08:03

      @ jerome, does that justify murder?@

      Merven - 2012-06-01 09:02

      Ever came to mind that apartheid was implemented because of the violent nature of the Africans? And yes, not all blacks are murderers and rapists,but they are much more prone to rape and murder than any other race in this country. So an easy way would be to put all of them in separated settlements. Someone mentioned Orania, ever wonder what is the murder and rape stats of that place? 0%!

      Herman - 2012-06-01 09:06

      @jerome, you know how pathetic you sound, still blaming apartheid for your lack of a backbone and justifying crime through being a poor black man. Why, oh why don't you blacks start working harder, start being productive and start adding value to SA instead of being sorry for your skin colour???? Everywhere on earth the black man is currently being seen as helpless, hopless and pathetic, why is this so? I know the answer, it is because you want everything for free and that what isn;t given to you, you will steal, rape and destroy. Get out of your hole and start being something worthwile!

      sanz.zn - 2012-06-01 09:52

      @herman i guess all the black people working the mines, sweeping the streets and cleaning your toilet are waiting to get everything for free?

      blipsie - 2012-06-01 11:05

      @ Jerome, I live in a country with wonderful, friendly and kind black people. Kids of all races can run around the street and I have never ever heard of a child being harmed. The unemployment rate is much higher than SA. So too the poverty level. Yet we sleep with our doors open. You need to start looking at what the actual problem is and stop playing the blame game. I can understand poverty creating theft, and if its an armed robbery and gunfire is exchanged, but to go and kill an elderly person, shooting an unarmed woman kneeling in front of you begging (as in Randfontein AND NOTHING WAS STOLEN AS HER FAMILY SAID) or killing a child is not because of poverty.

      Jerome - 2012-06-01 11:16

      certainly not blipsie and i agree with you there but majority of violent crime within SA is reported as theft,the odd outlier should not serve to diminish that fact. also your comment seems to suggest that only white south africans are victims of crime? its everyones problem as we are all victims and thats why a protest like the one in this article targeting a race instead of criminals doesnt serve the nations interest

      blipsie - 2012-06-01 11:29

      @ Jerome, no not at all, black people are of course also victims of crime. What I'm saying is a lot of these murders are called "robberies" when in fact they are not. You dont kill a 92 year old that you have already tied up for their phone. The goverment is also refusing to release statistics on farm murders. I saw an interview with ladies who clean up crime scenes. They said the farm murders are by far the worst and I won't go into the detail here, but torture is often times involved. My point is we are dealing with hate crimes a lot of time, fueled by the government and songs about killing the boer. The government is denying it, they refuse to look into it and there is no other explanation for this baby's death is there? There is no fixing a problem if you deny it's existence. Instead of investigating and protecting the minority the government is fueling racial polarization. When Jacob Zuma sang Shoot the Boer earlier this year crime in the Free State against whites (especially farmers) rose by 15%. Please black people need to be aware of this, before they vote for the same ANC again. Please dont deny the truth of some of these crimes.

      Russel - 2012-06-01 11:35

      Jerome! So with your 'second year' mathematics you can explain something to me. Apartheid finished nearly 2 decades ago, so which government has been in charge that whole time? Not a mathematics quiz or a rhetorical question, the ANC! Secondly, you are studying 'second year' maths, so what the hell are you doing over there? The current government can't even educate its own youth, now explain to me why you are over there, because of apartheid? Not a rhetorical question again, I'm pretty sure the answer is no! Get out of your high chair, wipe the dribbled bits of whatever rubbish you eat from the front of your shirt and come back to SA. If you are cracking a 50% for maths, being conservative here, you could qualify for a medical degree in the good old rainbow nation...because you are 'African'!

      Jack - 2012-06-01 11:40

      @Jerome..please anwser me's always been said that blacks were perfectly happy before the white colonist came to your shores, you were content with your lives and didn't need the western world. My question is if you guys were content with your lives why would you complain about apartheid ie not being able to sit next a white man. The white man created these systems like education, law, economics etc, you guys were nver forced into anything, there was no slavery. You choose to join our system. But then why complain when you say you were perfectly happy livjng in your huts and doing your daily whatever?

      blipsie - 2012-06-01 12:35

      Djoh Jason, travel much?

      Michael - 2012-06-01 13:20

      @Jason Roberts - this is an opinion but I'll tell you what mate, let's reverse the situation. Let's say the whities had been oppressed for ever and a day and all of a sudden we got to be holding the whip for 18 years with a majority of 20 or so to 1, I guaran-bloody-tee you there sure as hell would be a whole lot of change and not much would be bad!

      Jacqui - 2012-06-01 13:33

      Strange not one in Government come out and condemn these killings. Not one, but when it is a painting, there they are. I don't think we make a change to live peacefully in this country.

      Hugo - 2012-06-01 18:28

      dont worry,gov will come and condemn this murder,they are still condemning the murder of 44 others(mostly black),patience

      Denise - 2012-06-01 19:31

      Black racism and race hatred of whites in South Africa is real, virulent, and commonplace. There is plenty of evidence of this. By contrast, white on black violent crime is extremely rare. Just try to find examples of it on the internet and you will see just how rare it is!

      Denise - 2012-06-01 20:49

      @Jason - To suggest that today's behaviour is all the fault of something that ended some 20 years ago, is deeply demeaning to Africans as a whole. It suggests that 20 years isn't enough to cure the ills of the past. That it's always someone else's fault, and that Africans are perpetual victims. Germany can be bombed until the rubble jumps, but rebuilds itself into Europe's wealthiest nation. Japan can be nuked and fares similarly. So Britain had an empire & Britain did slavery. Boo hoo. Deal with it. Move on. More recently, there were tens of millions of innocents enslaved or killed in Europe by the twin industrialized evils of Nazism and Stalinism. Most of us are descendents of both oppressors & oppressed; most of us get over it.

  • grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-05-31 23:14

    In the majority of cases... I thin WE as a nation should stop looking at this as a racial issue. A criminal is a criminal! We should stand together and fight the crime NOT the colour

      Herman - 2012-06-01 00:07

      In practice it turns out to be the same thing unfortunately.

      grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-06-01 01:38

      Dee this is SA... There are no 'white' suburbs!

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-06-01 07:47

      that would be a very naive way to look at it. turning a blind eye to the statistics on crime would be a huge mistake. How can one find solutions to problems if you turn a blind eye to facts that is deemed to be politically incorrect. Oh yes that is exactly what government is doing. That is why these type of killings is on the increase. Racial tensions is reality in our society weather we like it or not. And our so called leaders are not doing anything to try and defuse the situation, in fact they are inciting racial tension. They should be tried for murder alongside these killers.

      Merven - 2012-06-01 08:03

      So when a white man makes a painting of a black man it is racism, but when a black man strangles a 5 month old white baby it is not racism?

      mabheshuenkomo.thabede - 2012-06-01 13:43

      @merven, that is such narrow minded view, in our south african context, no culture endorses murder, we equally condemn the murder just as much you white guys do, while the potrait speaks to a different aspect of what sets us apart as people. i would understand if your complaint was on the attention given on the potrait vs the one given to murder, not just this particular one, but every citizen of this country of ours. once again, murder transcends race, it impacts us all, and we condemn it equaly and boldy regardless of colour class or creed

      Raymond - 2012-06-01 17:30


      Merven - 2012-06-04 07:29

      No mabheshuenkomo.thabede, it is not a narrow minded view, when a painting is made, the ANC is up in arms, but have you ever heard them speak out against any murders? NO, they rather sing songs supporting these murders and is even willing to fight for the songs in court.

  • nozukol - 2012-05-31 23:14

    I think SA has to change their constitution that will say criminals, murders, rapists thieves should stay in jail.

      spartanx93 - 2012-05-31 23:18

      death penalty... no more needs to be said.

      John - 2012-05-31 23:37


      Johan - 2012-06-01 09:39

      While I am all for getting the death penalty you really trust the current government with that kind of power?

      Martin - 2012-06-01 12:09

      Johan thats why i think set them free, right into the crowds waiting for them, we can administer what the government cannot be trusted with

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-01 16:48

      Another national holiday "Open range at the prisons". Release all the top level criminals (murderers and rapists) and anyone can take pot shots at them. We can charge tourists a fortune and save our Rhino's at the same time.

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-05-31 23:22

    The flag represents the government and country. The safety and security of this baby and women was not protected. Those two people in this instance and every other murder victim in the country are failed by the flag daily. SA has a duty to protect all citizens no matter. I believe that there are way to many murders. One is too much! A different strategy and approach is needed. Currently it is obviously not working.

      Frederik - 2012-06-01 08:04

      mandy, well said!! give this girl a bells!!!

      Raymond - 2012-06-01 17:39


  • lskosana3 - 2012-05-31 23:23

    I'll never understand why they felt they had to brutally murder the little guy, RIP beautiful baby :(

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-06-01 15:25

      Thank you for your feelings please help educate more people maybe we can help a bit

  • Isabel - 2012-05-31 23:28

    People are now SICK and TIRED of all the MURDERS Rape and so on... If Black Africans can burn the Flag to Show hate WHY Cant the Whites do it. I know not all Blacks are Bad People....Can anyone tell me what an old lady and a young child do for these Dumb ASSES to KILL THEM....Our prison are so full,take all of them on a Plane ride over Cape town and tell them to jump and swim back home. Just think HOW much Tax the country would saves, and use it for better things.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-05-31 23:54

      @bfvillet, The Bible also says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Punishment should fit the crime. In my eyes if you kill someone in cold blood then you have no right to live! No matter whether the perpetrator is white or black or any hue in-between! But it's no wonder that the killers just carry on killing cause they know that the punishment they will get is soft!

      Jacques - 2012-06-01 08:13

      @bfvillet the bible also says an eye for an eye.

  • Johann Enslin - 2012-05-31 23:29

    Wake up! This is crime. Fight the criminals not each other.

  • Mtk.the.poet - 2012-05-31 23:39

    Myb I hv to say ds we can bring death sentence it wnt help, we can change our rotten gov,still it wdnt help,why? The bible clearly tell us dis is ntng,worste is stil to cum, mor blood sheds to cum,Christians will agree wit ds sentiment,evn if we pray it won't help,for wat is written in the scripture wnt change but God wil let it cum thru, ppl,bible say turn from yo sins or die!!! Up to u all,hating is a biggest sin of all for a greatest command by Jesus is \Love yo neighbour as u lav yoself\

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-05-31 23:59

      @Mkt, They need to bring back the death penalty. Criminals carry on with their crimes because they know they can get away with a soft penalty. Also criminals aren't Christian or else they would't do the crime! Remember the commandments. One of them is Thou shalt not kill!!! And as a Christian you should live according to the 10 commandments! You can't just pick and chose them to your liking and still call yourself a Christian! The Bible also says an eye for an eye. In other words the penalty for a crime should be equal to the crime committed!

      joel.masola - 2012-06-01 00:21

      I concur with u there my brother in the LORD .

      Irene - 2012-06-01 00:41

      @Joel ~ Glad you could understand what 'the poet' was saying. What language is it?

  • Fascisti - 2012-05-31 23:45

    They burn the flag and everybody acts like its their mother being burned. Its just a colourful cloth people. That flag doesnt represent us, we represent us. No piece of material is worth anything more than the cotton its made of

      Merven - 2012-06-01 08:06

      It is ok to murder a white baby, just NEVER burn a flag!!

      khanyib1 - 2012-06-01 15:48

      merven, how about finding another wiser comment? Getting sick really

      Merven - 2012-06-04 07:31

      OK, how about: you're an idiot?

  • nickkirsten - 2012-06-01 00:12

    The problem we as white South Africans have is that we have been beaten. The best thing is, most of us didn't even start the fight. I see hundreds of white people that can not even look a guy in the face and say NO when standing still at a traffic light when they try selling you something. By looking away we have made ourselves vulnerable in all aspects of our live and this is what the enemy want. The enemy I am talking about is the person that wants to harm you, it doesn't matter if you are black or white. Stop looking away and stand up, let us (all races) fight back! The murder of a 5 month old baby was a sick racist act, any one that wants to disagree with this must rather go to hell!

      Koos - 2012-06-01 00:19

      There will be a lot of thumbs down. I'll give you a thumbs up.

      anette.smith.16 - 2012-06-01 14:21

      Not all white people don't look beggars or sellers in the eye. I look them all in the eye. If I don't want to buy something nobody is going to force me. I also do not donate money to beggars. No matter what colour. There are so many social grants available for our new hand out society that there is no need to beg. To kill a elderly woman and a baby is unforgivable!!!!! No matter what, where, when, who....

      aza.martialarts - 2012-06-01 17:56

      You are right, there are a lot of trained people in our country...lots of very well trained people...

      Deus - 2012-06-03 11:39

      hahaha, what a retarded post, you are as stupid as you look. Whites didn't start this?? every heard of Apartheid foo?

  • Dakey - 2012-06-01 00:21

    Note how this story isn't covered by the international community.

      nickkirsten - 2012-06-01 00:45

      Maybe someone should take initiative and post the news to international news sites? But even if we do this, how will it help?

      sean.venske - 2012-06-01 15:57

      Well said Nick and God help this country when the next foreign prick decides to off his new bride on honeymoon, or take photos of his wife being attacked by a cheetah rather than help her, then the international press can't shut up about how crap SA is

  • joel.masola - 2012-06-01 00:29

    When it comes to race issue i dont give a damn cause Mighty GOD created us all for 4 his purpose so race to GOD means zilch

  • neo.khemisi - 2012-06-01 00:38

    As young african man like to send my deeply sincere I said the worst still has come in the name of racial intolerance thanks to me and those racialise evry crime most recently the spear issue people who were suppose to stabilize it they fuel it more now look what happening,as for burning of SA flag it was uncalled for cos VVK crime affect all of us black and white just unfortunate what happen there in delmas got media attention if all crime get reported you will feel that hand of God still covering you

      Merven - 2012-06-01 08:09

      'as for burning of SA flag it was uncalled for cos VVK crime affect all of us black and white' Let's look at that statement: 99% of all blacks being raped and killed are done so by blacks, 99% of all whites being raped and killed are done so by blacks, you see the problem here? 'you will feel that hand of God still covering you' Like God's hand covered the baby?

      Dorothea - 2012-06-01 08:53

      i think that you need to be sharing your advice with the criminals....

      Jacqui - 2012-06-01 13:42

      Neo, this could just as well have been a black five month old and the crime would have been just as heartbreaking. Our country is in serious trouble and sad as it may sound people have become use to black on black killing. It dulls the senses when you read about it every day and that too is heartbreaking. It all just make me feel so hopeless.

      charlesaduplessis - 2012-06-02 16:14

      BS.. BS.. BS.. BS..

  • petrofect - 2012-06-01 00:39

    so much has been said about racism, and less if not nothing had been done. I suggest that you join me and we all start to regard ourselves as people first then the race later if not never ever. I am a person, my race doesn't make who i am...#positivity

      Sameera - 2012-06-01 00:47

      It's sad that race is such an issue. Ignorance makes people fearful and stereotypes are unfortunately created. Those who believe in good and look beyond ones color need to unite- out country is desperate for this. Once this is achieved all great things will happen and we can change the society we live in. Segregation is not the key!

      Frederik - 2012-06-01 20:23

      uuuhh, segregation is the cornerstone of society, take it away and see how things collapse.... story of africa....

  • neo.khemisi - 2012-06-01 00:46

    Struggling to sleep when I remember I left my family alone and now this VVK say blacks are murders wake up or sober up crime does not know colour (separate state or republic really??? )

      mzeelie - 2012-06-01 08:54

      Don't worry about the VVK, they are nothing but a bunch of angry people right now and as you can see very racist. People's emotions run wild when something like murder happens, they don't have a proper way of expressing what they are feeling so they pick the race card. Which in every way is wrong. As for the flag, I thought that the flag was suppose to be a symbol of unity. That is probably why they were burning the flag cause they don't feel united right now. The government should do more to prevent crimes and murders. Some countries cut peoples hands of for stealing other countries have a death penalty for murderers.

  • Boereroo - 2012-06-01 01:20

    Will the last ones getting out of South Africa please switch off the lights. Oh silly me forgot there's no electricity, just blow out the candle.

      Koos - 2012-06-01 01:52

      Sorry, candle has been stolen.

  • sk.malatsi - 2012-06-01 02:12

    so predictable. i knew i would find another black and white fight on the first page of my favourite site ***keeps on walking

  • songezo.kilani - 2012-06-01 02:22

    This is dissapointing in a sense that this will just help the ANC get (sympathy) votes. That is people who would not have voted for them will, or not vote at all. The bigger picture here is we have a failing economy. Get ANC out of power and all will be OK, crime, poverty, corruption will be eradicated.

      mavuso.ngcangisa - 2012-06-01 02:34

      I cudnt hav said better myself nto ka Kilani!

      Lionel - 2012-06-02 08:07

      Politicians cause division and massive inefficiency. If citizens do not unite against politicians we are doomed. See my blog post on how politicians and their lust for power is killing SA.

  • herman.brummer - 2012-06-01 03:25

    Too many people die, while the useless president does nothing, except make babies.

      Amanda - 2012-06-01 08:21

      Or worry about his painting

      Charnelle - 2012-06-01 17:26

      Agreed, I wonder if he even reads the News.

      Raymond - 2012-06-01 17:45

      And making a fool of himself on a stage by dancing around like clown-it's BMM mentality.What a despicable looking specimen,if ever there was one.

      charlesaduplessis - 2012-06-02 16:17

      @Charnelle.. you forgot, he only has Std2 so he cannot read..

  • Bongiswa - 2012-06-01 05:08

    Its not safe where i live,criminals are a disease in our society no matter the race,and so is corruption and many other things.i dnt deserve to be mugged or raped bcz im black.

      Daniel - 2012-06-02 19:04

      @tienie.mac. Didn't the NP and ANC merge a few years ago?

  • Bongiswa - 2012-06-01 05:08

    Its not safe where i live,criminals are a disease in our society no matter the race,and so is corruption and many other things.i dnt deserve to be mugged or raped bcz im black.

      Jacqui - 2012-06-01 13:45

      Curriemafia so race is by what you measure your sympathy?.

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-06-01 05:25

    The fact of the matter is the brutal attacks occuring for years now on easy white targets, children, women, farmers and the elderly are in most cases racialy based. These easy targets are tortured in the most unhumane ways, then murdered and in most cases nothing is stolen. I don't agree with the VVK's approach on this, but we as white South Africans are GATVOL! The government's continued silence on the matter gives the impression that they approve of these attacks. If government doesn't act we as white people will have no choice but to enforce justice ourselves, as they do in the townships. These suspects deserve death for what they did, nothing less.

  • clive.brink - 2012-06-01 05:29

    Our Police does not prevent crime anymore, they say that is the duty of citizens and private security company's. The Police has become just an organ of the State to document the crime, act after the fact, and MAYBE catch the criminals and take them to court after wanton, destructive and cruel waste of human lives. Its then too late! These accused will then land in the hands of our dysfunctional criminal justice system and if the drawn out triaal is not botched will be sentenced to prison (not death!), its then too late - they have wasted innocent human being's lives. They will land in the dysfunctional prisons that is called correctional services and serve some or other stupid prison sentence in comfort on a holiday farm at tax payers expense, its then too late - they have wasted innocent people's lives. When will this government wake up and realise they are there to serve their people, not the otherway round. We have had enough of their cleptocracy, ineptitude, insolence towaeds the people and not caring and looking after the people they are supposed to serve and protect. Bringing race into this matter is going to solve nothing, the mad out of control crime is affecting every race colour and creed. We all want to know that our loved one's are safe wherever they are!!! NOW IS THE TIME!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Like with the corrupt toll road system, lets teach this government we've had enough! DEMAND THE DEATH PENALTY back or institute our own legal justice system!!!

      Kenny Bianco - 2012-06-01 05:35

      Enough said Clive

      Lionel - 2012-06-02 08:09

      Politicians cause division and massive inefficiency. If citizens do not unite against politicians we are doomed. See my blog post on how politicians and their lust for power is killing SA.

  • Jan - 2012-06-01 05:35

    How many times do you read of whites murdering blacks? Most of the murders are on white South Africans. Wake up and STOP dreaming, face the facts!!!

      Mike - 2012-06-01 14:48

      Not really. South africa is so infatuated with race, that when we don't make the issue about it, it gets attention, and vice versa. This type of crime is a daily occurrence in townships. Since majority of people who access news24 (i.e. have access to mobiles or computers) are more likely to NOT live in such dilapidated environments, therefor we hear less about them. Its all about demographics. We don't hear about the daily murders in townships because they go unreported, or we just dont hear about them. We complain about white farm murders, but its 100x worse in townships. FACT

  • David - 2012-06-01 05:36

    DA has stood up to the constitution at the risk of loosing support. ANC need to learn from this

      Merven - 2012-06-01 07:53

      Where have the DA stood up?

      charlesaduplessis - 2012-06-02 16:20

      The DA did freakin nothing, useless as the ANC, to scared they might loose a vote, well I can tell you they have lost mine and my families and a whole lot of other people I know..

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-06-01 06:08

    This country is going down the tubes ! Nobody in ANC will say anything about this . They devote their time to someone who cant keep his spear in in his pants anyway ! No DEATHPENALTY no JUSTICE !

      Jacqui - 2012-06-01 13:48

      Nkululeko, I agree, we will never become a nation. All the sacrifice and struggle have all been in vain.

      Mike - 2012-06-01 14:49

      This country has gone for WORLD CLASS to WORLD CRASS in 20 years. The problems with this country are spreading like the plague. Abandon ship before its too late.

  • Nkululeko - 2012-06-01 06:15

    If I read these comments, it is very sad to see that there is NO tolerance between blacks and whites in this country. It is very sad to see that Nelson Mandela's dream of Rainbow Nation will never come true. Everytime someone does something wrong, the first thing we do is to look at the colour of the skin, instead of demolishing the wrong-doing, why? If we carry on like this, does anyone see a non-racial South Africa? If we carry on like this, are we making any bright future for the up comming generation? Does anyone have an idea whether this nonsense will ever end? Honestly, this is so disgusting, unneccessary and disgrace.

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-06-01 15:38

      Please help get rid of the anc and then we wont have as many racial problems

      Lionel - 2012-06-02 08:10

      Politicians cause division and massive inefficiency. If citizens do not unite against politicians we are doomed. See my blog post on how politicians and their lust for power is killing SA.

      charlesaduplessis - 2012-06-02 16:21

      @Shanna, and whom do we vote for? The DA? VVK? you must be joking, none of them is worth the tick mark..

  • MichaelThekiso - 2012-06-01 06:21

    It is very unfortunate that we have resorted to vituperative exchanges without actually appreciating that a heinous crime has been committed by these scumbags. Instead of working together to pressure the government into bringing back the death penalty for such crimes, here we are at each other's throats!!!

      clive.brink - 2012-06-01 06:41

      Exactly my point also Mike. If only we could show the same enthusiasm, and spend as much energy, and stand together, we CAN force the reinstatement of the death penalty. Just like we doing with scamraal. Please people, I beg of you - use your collective energy on something more than verbal racial abuse thats anyway not going to solve anything, rather make matters worse. THE DEATH PENALTY NOW!

      Pro - 2012-06-01 20:41

      Aggreed!!! Mike, you are on to something. We have to work at a way to force the "government" to impose the death penalty.

      Lionel - 2012-06-02 08:11

      Politicians cause division and massive inefficiency. If citizens do not unite against politicians we are doomed. See my blog post on how politicians and their lust for power is killing SA.

  • Fairness - 2012-06-01 06:25

    Think about this for 10sec. If the existing goverment did what they get paid for every month on crime prevention, education, infrastructure and border control none of this would have been a problem. Yet they fail on every level cause they have chosen to focus on their own personal importance, financial well being, size of their cars and parties. There is simply no one else tob blame except for those who have the power to make a diffrence and failed to do so.

      Lionel - 2012-06-02 08:11

      Politicians cause division and massive inefficiency. If citizens do not unite against politicians we are doomed. See my blog post on how politicians and their lust for power is killing SA.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-01 06:27

    We need a radical white sector of our country to do more of this, it is hard to swallow, but what they are saying is simply true. We always tip toe around the truth, it needs to be expressed. The violence of black on white murder is racially motivated, and encouraged by the ruling regime with the lovely songs they sing about us.

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-06-01 06:28

    That baby boy died because the robbers are such idiotic animals...they thought a 5-month old would recognize them. They valued his life less than the possibility of going to jail. Less than their bait. May God strike them and their kind down.

      Raymond - 2012-06-01 17:49


  • Cronje - 2012-06-01 06:28

    Thank you Tsotsi Baby. I would like those too.

  • John - 2012-06-01 06:37

    To turn this tragic/brutal & sensless act into a racial matter is wrong. It is however a fact that many white people are murdered and attacked by black miscreants, and not the other way around. Even under apartheid rule this never occurred. But then we had the death penalty for this type of crime. This governmnet has decided that the death penalty will not be brought back. Why not ? surveys have shown that across the entire racial spectrum in this country, 94% of the respondents want the death penalty reintroduced. For premeditated murder and aggravated rape there should be only one penalty, surrender your right to live among those who wish to live in peace. Do the people of this country work for the politicians, or shouldn't it be the other way around ?? After the first publicly known 10 death sentances on either of the above crimes, the crime rate will plummet downward. see how many murders and rapes there are in countries that have the death penalty. It will level many of the race issues and we as a country will have crossed another barrier, which is costing this country heavily.

      corrie.bresler - 2012-06-01 11:36

      @ Liehahn. And exactly where did you get your stats of hundreds of thousands dead killed by whites. I personally reckon more blacks died at the hand of their 'comrades' in the training camps than was killed by the 'white' security forces.

      paul.defondaumiere - 2012-06-02 08:01

      It occurred under apartheid plenty. It was just done so quietly and covered up so nicely by our 'secret police'

  • MichaelThekiso - 2012-06-01 06:38

    I think the government should hold a referendum for all white South Africans only, in which they will decide on whether or not a separate and autonomous South African region should be granted to them.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-01 06:43

      Yes. we will have the Western Cape which the government hasn't been able to destroy yet.

      Fairness - 2012-06-01 06:43

      So that people who cross borders for love, work, etc can be brutelized casue they are on the wrong side of the fence? It think goverment need to start doing their jobs then none of this would be an issue.

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-06-01 07:05

      So what's wrong with each ethnic group having it's own state Sfiso?...and make no mistake the murder of that 5 month old baby was racially motivated. Nobody could be stupid enough to think a 5 year old would be able identify them.

      Mike - 2012-06-01 14:52

      Trust me, I pray daily to be separated from idiots like you. Not because you are black, but because you symbolise everything that is wrong in this country; STUPIDITY.

      Barileng.Dile - 2012-06-01 16:55

      Let them go to Orania.

      Charnelle - 2012-06-01 17:55

      Are you by any means suggesting apartheid??? OMW it just get more and more hillarious! Should say, been there done that, got the T-shirt. Well if we dont we are slowly but surely going to get murdered one by one and no doubt woman and children would go first hay, Mike..

      Charnelle - 2012-06-01 18:12

      And in a couple of years time, you guys can come and claim that it was yours in the first place and destroy it. AGAIN.

      MichaelThekiso - 2012-06-03 04:04

      In a country where race (...and the hate that comes with it) is such a huge factor, perhaps experimenting with other political systems will not be such a bad idea...say, federalism for example. @Mike, see I will not resort to your name-calling, it's not worth it; at least I'm providing plausible solutions! @Charnelle, federalism has been an accepted form of a political system for years (you must open a book once in a while). Oh btw, I am a South African, not a criminal, therein lies your distinction. Crime affects us all, and not all blacks are criminals or in government...

      christo.jacobs.56 - 2012-06-04 00:48

      Mike Thekiso we dont need a referendum held on the basis of the color of your skin. If they or you want a separate or autonomous region, pack your bags and move, unfortunately, i dont know where you're going as i believe there is no place or area in SA for such a region. As for the killing of any innocent human being, it must be condemn and the people responsible for such gruesome acts dont deserve to die as animals dont die they ''vrek''. We as South Africans needs to be carefull of what we say or wish for, this vvk were targeting innocent people walking in the street and gainning what? just more hatred as, if i were to pass them and they tried to abuse me just because i'm black or yellow, i would have retaliated and the next guy will retaliate and so more hatred is spreading. These murderers and rapist dont go around and look for white people or black people to kill, they are looking for easy targets and unfortunately they know the areas they roam and know where people are vulnerable and cannot defends themselves. Even in locations older people and woman have to lock their doors with chains to protect themselves as the young tsotsis are ruling their lives. Then the most important thing is the drugs in our country, most of these criminals are on drugs. Every policeman in the country knows where the dealers are doing their deals, where to go buy drugs but yet, almost nothing is done to this evil. I just want to say to the family of the woman and child, be strong .

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-06-01 06:43

    Lets see if the ANC will march for this despicable murders as they did for the spear painting of Zuma. This country is led by a bunch of useless corrupt thieves who care less about what happens in the country and more about lining their pockets.

      Raymond - 2012-06-01 17:51


  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-06-01 06:46

    The leadership of the country is failing its own people, even failing to educate their own, they have failed to improve the schooling facilities \The Times today\, Hence the racist morons will always find something to justify their racist nature. As for crime regardless of race we are all defenless.

  • kagiso.k.seleka - 2012-06-01 06:51

    What a tragedy for this family. Crime cuts across race, religion,

  • Louis - 2012-06-01 06:57

    Crime and murder affects everyone in the country and I'm sure that life in the townships is much harder and unforgiving than most white people have and will ever experience. However, see it from the perspective of the white nation - there are 4million left in RSA of which whites are murdered daily (it doesn't really matter by who), then you can understand a sense of desperation. Its unfortunate that it will always look like its racially motivated, seeing that the majority of our country is black, meaning that the likelihood of these acts coming from blacks is obviously much greater. South Africa will never change, we need a clever dictator.

      Lionel - 2012-06-02 08:15

      We citizens must stand together and build a future and unite. Politicians will not do it. Politicians cause division and massive inefficiency. If citizens do not unite against politicians we are doomed. See my blog post on how politicians and their lust for power is killing SA.

  • Sulette Behnke - 2012-06-01 07:07

    Now these people are racist but its ok for ANC members to sing shoot the boer? That's WHY we have these senseless killings, I wonder who is racist ! The biggest mistake the white people made was to help you develope the country. Look where it left us?

  • Dooie - 2012-06-01 07:10

    I don't know why my comment was removed. Perhaps too much truth in it? Who knows.... But I WILL post it again: Why is this becoming a racial issue? Because of the brutality! How many more innocent lives are going to be taken? This is not the first time something like this happened. You ALL know this. ;A mother raped in front of her tied up kids ;A farmer petrol bombed and left to die burning ;A senior citizen dripped with burning plastic ;A one year old baby killed in the outside toilet ;A business man killed for his cellphone ;A political leader killed and accused of sodomy. The accessory to the murder being acquitted. ;A couple murdered by the security guard at the complex ;A Woman raped and killed by her garden worker Those are very few simple examples. It's not just about the blacks killing whites. IT'S THE BRUTAL WAY IT'S BEING DONE!!! And we are getting GATVOL!

      Merven - 2012-06-01 08:14

      You are forgetting the 2 month old white baby these barbarians wrapped in news papers and burnt alive two years ago.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-01 13:37

      Just keep on posting it. Something is not right with the moderation here. On several occasions posts have been removed and it's quite obviously due to biased censorship.

  • sfiso.nsibande1 - 2012-06-01 07:12

    Condolences to the family, hope God is with them in this time of need and we don't condone loss of human lives but not intending to be insensetive but giving white people a so called white state that will amount to segregation of people based on colour and that amounts to apartheid and then next thing will be each ethnic group wanting it state, so No it must never happen, and I strongly dispel that the attacks are racial attacks rather than criminals who took advantage of easy prey, a racial attack is something like a bunch of guys drunk leaves a pub in Pretoria and found a homeless men sleeping and beat him to death, their intention was to kill him and not to rob and kill him. lastly am sick and tired of people blaming the current leadership of all the problems we are facing and if you have a little of brains in your head you will know that all the issues we have been having, have been there pre 1994, crimes statics are there for all, did anyone care that there was more crimes committed against white during Mandela' tenure than the current leadership, people thinking and doing a proper research serves you from looking like a total idiot of course just maybe you are, Crime is a crime instances have happened where a certain young man took a gun and went on shootinv spree and killing about 7 blacks and where a black was thrown into lions to be mulled by lions and what is that? Did VVK say anything about that? I GUES\r\nS NOT and now they want us to jump up and down, a black family was killed at Emakhazeni which is within the area of where they we toyitoyi and did VVK say anything?

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-01 07:13

    Give whites coloured and indians their own state then see what happens to rest of the clan,they wont last a month,this whole country is becoming a township.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-01 07:19

      Mike. You are so right. We are living in a township. It is filthy, lawless and full of scum.

      Merven - 2012-06-01 08:18

      @ lerato: India don't have the crime that SA got. Also babies don't get strangled there.

      Jacques - 2012-06-01 09:09

      @mapudieric FFS get over your self. how many times do we haveto inform you. YOU dont own this land. why dont you go back to north africa where you come from? we all whites included are south africans. i was not born in holland etc. i was born in south africa this is my country 2

      Barileng.Dile - 2012-06-01 16:52

      Mark, it wud be so nice to be away from the Domkops like you who fill these comments with rubbish.

  • Benn - 2012-06-01 07:14

    The flag is conveniently used by prostitutes as a bed sheet to direct the position of their legs. The DA must understand that an occasional reprimand or tap on the wrist, in between hobnobbing and sipping cocktails with the regime, is NOT acceptable. They must stop trying to be everything for everyone. They are playing into the hands of the ANC and people must wake up.

      Merven - 2012-06-01 08:19

      'you dont help our cause...' And what cause would that be? Feeding your white guilt and wait to be murdered?

  • Winifred - 2012-06-01 07:15

    Well we all know who originally started this flat burning and nothing was done about it then, so, whats good for the gooose is the same for the gander. I dont personally support it. This must surely tell government that the south african people and sick and tired of crime, Zuma says there is no crisis but just take a look there is crisis in this country whether ever you look. Everything is collapsing around us. Time to make a stand now. Government needs to step up on crime and not prolong the situation, we want these murderers dealt with swiftly. Now tell us who in the police force is going to catch these criminals....the criminals in our police force? People are being raped and murdered every day, even small children, this has got to stop. Hang the bastards

      Whitemist Blackmist - 2012-06-01 07:23

      Police are lazy and they are given vehicles they just sleep in..they do not investigate crimes because its too much hard work..

      Nicolaas - 2012-06-01 18:56

      @whitemist, you forgot too mention taking the bank robber to the bank to withdraw money and then sleep with him!!!! That is what I call SEXELLENT service from the POLICE SERVANTS!

  • Andre - 2012-06-01 07:20

    I'm waiting for the ANC, Communists and Cosatu to start marching this week to show their opposition to black savagery!

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-01 14:04

      Well you're in for one very long wait. Good Luck. The ANC agenda is not a pretty one.

  • Sulette Behnke - 2012-06-01 07:21

    It's funny how all these black comrades wants the people in Delmas crucified for burning a flag and speaking their minds. I can't help to wonder of these are the same people burning tyres, breaking windows, overturning rubbish bins, dancing in the street with traditional weapons, attacking people with bricks ? HAVE YOU GOT YOUR OWN SET OF RULES?