Deputy public prosecutor held for drunken driving

2011-06-28 08:38

Johannesburg - The of National Director of Public Prosecutions Menzi Simelane's deputy was expected to appear in court in August for driving under the influence, Limpopo police said on Tuesday.

Silas Ramaite, one of four deputies under Simelane, was arrested near Makhado (Louis Trichardt) late on Friday, June 10, after he allegedly crashed his Jaguar into a bakkie, Brigadier Hangwani Mulaudzi said.

"No one was injured, but the local police could see he was drunk and arrested him. No breathalyser was done, but they could physically see, because of his wobbling, that he was drunk."

He spent the night in jail and appeared in the Louis Trichardt Magistrate's Court on Saturday, where he was released on R1 000 bail.

Blood samples were taken and sent for testing.

"We expect to get them back before the next appearance," Mulaudzi said.

He was alone in his car at the time. The bakkie driver was uninjured and not found to be drunk.

The Star reported on Monday said Ramaite was still on duty despite the charge.

National Prosecuting Authority spokesperson Mthunzi Mhaga had confirmed to the newspaper that Ramaite was still on duty.

  • Kobus - 2011-06-28 08:44

    and these are the people that have to prosecute others....

      paulf - 2011-06-28 08:48

      What an example to the public???

      Rajty - 2011-06-28 08:57

      get over never drve while under the influence...let the law take its course....

      saabnut - 2011-06-28 09:03

      Seems to me like Jaguar cars and government officials are a bit of a misnomer! I wonder how many years this case is going to waste our money, like that disgusting 'Judge' Motata...

      tightrope - 2011-06-28 09:18

      Kobus tell it like it is, wonderful example to our children and the world, these drunkards, they should be locked up so that they dont harm others

      willieman - 2011-06-28 09:18

      We need to arrest min of justice for all this debacles no leadership at all

      Meanleader - 2011-06-28 09:18

      I hear Cele's voice echoing in my ears "this country will not be run by criminals" yeah right !

      Smaal - 2011-06-28 09:23

      Is this the moral authority I was reading about this morning?

      Anonymous Thinker - 2011-06-28 09:35

      Let's hope at the very least that he's found guilty and loses his job. In this volitile time, now is the time to set the examples for the people who government want support from.

      JC - 2011-06-28 09:38

      Hand-off you in-your-pants bloody agents! This is a deployed cadre comrade.

      James Weather - 2011-06-28 09:50

      you bloody judge !!!!

      BigMoose - 2011-06-28 09:51

      But officer, I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

      Michael - 2011-06-28 10:13

      @Rajty, the fact that you haven't been caught and tested for drunken driving does not mean that you never broke the law, especially if you are an occasional drinker (alcohol).

      jowza - 2011-06-28 11:50

      He gave himself a bells

  • Mdavu-zn - 2011-06-28 08:46

    Ja taste your own medicine Sir. A leader!!!!

      paulf - 2011-06-28 08:49

      Not a leaders backside, leaders lead by example, this is No Example to anyone. Sucks.

      Mdavu-zn - 2011-06-28 08:59

      Paulf sir leaders these days are just leaders by name not by example of which that's really makes us to not respect them. AREST THOSE PEOPLE AND TAKE THOSE POSSITIONS AND GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNOW IF WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A LEADER. - 2011-06-28 09:31

      mdavu... couldnt have said it better myself. i just wish they would REALLY do that

      Mishka - 2011-06-28 10:11 - you couldn't have said it better??? My limited knowledge of the English language allows me to have said it better. Goodness me .....'if what does it mean to be.....' - 2011-06-28 12:08

      mishka... are we here writing english essays or commenting on the article??

      Mdavu-zn - 2011-06-28 12:23

      Mishka how old are you sir?

      Worldwise - 2011-06-28 23:20

      Mishka, please go and consult somewhere. Your arrogance is annoying.

  • Zupta - 2011-06-28 08:46

    Should throw the keys away

  • Smindlo - 2011-06-28 08:47

    havent we got people with intergrity to put in this positions!!!

      Dumisani P - 2011-06-28 09:06

      Integrity ....? Nope that will be number 20 on the list of requirements. Right on top will be TOTAL commitment to ZUma and ANC even Lie for them. Secondly a criminal record is paramount to success in the ANC. I cannot write down the requirements that follow its just way too Immoral and scary to imagine that these people ''attempt'' to run a country!!??

      onetickie - 2011-06-28 09:42

      No, the country's top hierarchy are all corrupt, feeble-minded a/holes and thats why SA has gone to the dogs.

      Joker - 2011-06-28 11:24

      1. Do you belong to the ANC? 2.Have you been to prison? 3. Can you pay the bribe? If the answers are all yes, then congratulations you have the job

  • K-NINE - 2011-06-28 08:48

    Watch!! - The blood samples will disappear!!

      BOY30 - 2011-06-28 09:16

      Are you planning to steal them? Criminal mentality.

      Smaal - 2011-06-28 09:24

      Nope but I already smell failure to use proper procedure not to mention that the blood was probably drawn a few hours after the accident. - 2011-06-28 09:32

      K-Nine.. you right, i mean if he can afford a jaguar, he can afford to pay off the cops or doctors. I really hope the tests dont disappear but if they do we definitely know how that happened

      Mishka - 2011-06-28 10:12

      I wonder who will prosecute if it reaches court....

      marguerite - 2011-06-28 11:03

      The exact time limit is 2 hours after the person had been arrested. If a blood sample was not take within that time, they actually have no case. Blood samples are not kept by the police, they are kept at the Forensic Lab, unless you know someone there that could make it disappear, but unlikely, because they have a very strict record and these blood samples run in number seq. Easy to pick up if one goes missing. Also not that easy (any more) to tamper with them. They have tamper seals and cable ties, easy to pick up if it's been tampered with. - 2011-06-28 12:47

      Marg... there is plenty of evidence that always goes missing when it comes to someone of 'high' authority... so im sure for this evidence to go missing is easier than we think it is

      Shazred - 2011-06-28 14:03

      Dont they always...

      Worldwise - 2011-06-28 23:26

      @ Mishka, he's a prosecuter. He isn't the ONLY prosecuter. @ Marguerite. The forensic labs have a backlog of 2 years due to AA and EO. He can argue that his right to a speedy trial has been denied and get off that way. It happens all the time in drunken driving cases if you have a good lawyer. Then we have the court capacity problems that result in delays for trials as well.......Just Feggirritt.

  • matla - 2011-06-28 08:53

    It was Motata with his Jaguar, now Ramaite - this car is anti comrades

      paulf - 2011-06-28 08:55

      They can't drive Jaguars LOL

      FRpower - 2011-06-28 09:42

      They cant drive cars full stop....another bought licence.

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-06-28 09:54

      His car was made in UK, bloody agents.

      Snoek - 2011-06-28 11:02

      The car is anti-revolutionary

      onetickie - 2011-06-28 17:27

      One would think that JAGUAR manufacturers/agents would refuse to sell their vehicles to these idiots. Its giving their brand a bad name, but guess again, so long as its money, its ok.

  • Ian - 2011-06-28 08:53

    LOL LOL. Prosecuter my ass, you guys are just for show, how much does the defense pay you morons to go away LMAO

  • Chenhamo - 2011-06-28 08:59

    The men of law and jaguars...**Judge Motata*** nostalgia....

      onetickie - 2011-06-28 17:29

      One would think that JAGUAR manufacturers/agents would refuse to sell their vehicles to these idiots. Its giving their brand a bad name, but guess again, so long as its money, its ok.

  • Ngwenya47 - 2011-06-28 09:03

    No doubt he will "decline to prosecute".

  • Dumisani P - 2011-06-28 09:03

    Aaaah another one. So here's my predictions His case will take a few years to re-solve while he sits at home WITH FULL PAY ... so called special leave. His fellow cronies will try everything in the book to defend him and we may see info. mysteriously go missing!!

      Smindlo - 2011-06-28 09:41

      you know I have been doing my own spreadsheet on the side, it would actually cost less for the state to dismiss this scumbags and pay off their contracts than keeping them on state payroll and paying their lawyers. Take for example Jackie Selebi, it has cost the state over R9 million in lawyer fees...if we had dismissed him and paid off the remaining year he had when the Aglitti thing came out, it would have cost us taxpayers less than R2million...just a thought!!!!!!!

  • lollie sue - 2011-06-28 09:04

    Throw the key into the sea

      Ettienne - 2011-06-28 11:18

      Please don't. You will pollute our beautiful oceans......rather melt the key in those fiery ovens.

  • matubeng - 2011-06-28 09:05

    Are you sure he was drunk? Don't pass the judgement yet, he might have been drowsy from drinking cofee.

      lollie sue - 2011-06-28 09:08

      drowsy frm drinking coffee?, u joking right

      Andrew - 2011-06-28 09:15

      The police said he was drunk, they could see him "wobbling" (the correct term should be staggering), did we read the same article? When you can see someone is drunk and unsteady on their feet then they are well past breathalyser limits. A blood test then is required purely as proof for the courtcase, if it ever gets to that. There a lots of ways of establishing sobriety before technology. Speech, comprehension, walking on the line etc. You can't be that uninformed ...... wait I am prejuding you .... you probably are. PS: Anyone tell you that coffee is a stimulant, so rather than making you drowsy it keeps you awake. Ah but maybe "cofee" as you so eloquently call it has something else in it to make one drowsy. Can't believe that lack of education

      Grant - 2011-06-28 09:21

      And then again lollie,Andrew, matubeng may have his tongue firmly in his cheek

      Ian - 2011-06-28 09:22

      lol good one

      onetickie - 2011-06-28 09:43

      You sound like you come from the same rubbish dump as he does.

      Petunia - 2011-06-28 11:47

      He might've been wobbling maybe because of low blood sugar!!! Yeah right!!!

      Tinkie - 2011-06-28 13:32

      Actually, I am hypoglycemic (low sugar) and don't drink alcohol at all. I have been accused a few times of being drunk when my sugar has dropped too low. An elderly man drove his car into the bushes about a year ago and when we stopped at the scene of the accident, the police and the paramedics said he was drunk although no one could smell alcohol on him. An hour later he walked out of the hospital perfectly sober. His blood sugar had dropped suddenly and drastically while he was driving due to his doctor changing his diabetic medication. Please guys, unless there is an alcohol smell and/or proof of being drunk, don't judge too harshly. I know what it is like to be accused of being drunk when my sugar levels have dropped too low. The symptoms are extreemly close. We just never know the truth ourselves. Let the blood tests come back before jumping to conclusions.

      Marc - 2011-06-28 15:11

      @ Matubeng: Are you seriaaaas? What "cofee" makes your drowsy? Oh wait, may have been "cowboy cofee" - a little bit of "cofee" and a whole lot of whiskey!

      Worldwise - 2011-06-28 23:34

      Thanks Tinkie, exactly what I was about to tell know-it-all Andrew. Study some medicine before posting comments like this Andrew. From your comment Andrew: "You can't be that uninformed ...... wait I am prejuding you .... you probably are." "Can't believe that lack of education" Mmmmmm. Seems like both feet are in the mouth now, hey Andrew?

  • 50something - 2011-06-28 09:07

    Another day in SA, another Jaguar, another drunk "law inforcement" agent, another suspension with full pay coming up. WTF!!!! only R1000 bail???

      onetickie - 2011-06-28 17:32

      One would think that JAGUAR manufacturers/agents would refuse to sell their vehicles to these idiots. Its giving their brand a bad name, but guess again, so long as its money, its ok.

  • Ross - 2011-06-28 09:09

    Another court case stretching over 5 years. At least the lawyers are happy.

  • anti crime - 2011-06-28 09:13

    They will get off scott free,check the article,i already see a technical error....u just wait and see lol....

  • biskit - 2011-06-28 09:14

    Why was the breathalyser not used there and then? Even if you could see the man was under the influence its not solid proove in court. The blood samples will be inconclusive and no brethalyser test was done this oke will get off scott free

      S Bouttell - 2011-06-28 09:32

      Wrong. 1) the breathaliser tests currently being used are proven to be inaccurate, and cases of drunk driving are being thrown out of court left and right. 2) Blood tests are, and have always been a more accurate measure of testing blood alcohol levels. We just need to keep them from going missing...

      Andrew - 2011-06-28 09:34


      biskit - 2011-06-28 09:56

      So basically everyone who was convicted previously due to evidence brought on by the brethalyser is innocent because of the inaccuracy which has recently surfaced. The more evidence in court the better - i dont by this inaccuracy BS

      Democrat - 2011-06-28 09:58

      ...and as long as they are done within three hours of being arrested!

      DeonL - 2011-06-28 10:11

      Blood testing are very exact but if taken too late it might be a problem and thrown out. Hopefully he does what Jackson M did, plead guilty and pay a fine?

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-28 10:14 was all part of the plan...

      Worldwise - 2011-06-28 23:37

      Sorry Biskit, the courts have thrown the breathalyser out. Yes, the cops have to retract all cases of breathalysed persons. Actually its 2 hours after being caught Democrat.

      Toby C. Goss - 2011-06-29 04:13

      Biskit you cannot use the normal due process on comrades ! Where have you been for the last 8 years ?

  • Stanley Black - 2011-06-28 09:15

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  • McDaNife - 2011-06-28 09:16

    Bad way of starting the report. All these goons in power are breaking the law, but as usual will get of scott free.

  • George - 2011-06-28 09:17

    Willing to go doughnuts to dollars that he'll walk...

  • ShakaN - 2011-06-28 09:19

    Same ol Same ol we live in a circus with jacob zuma being the ring leader, julias malema the national clown and the rest making up the show. I just worry when the tent comes down on all of us.

  • JadedJay - 2011-06-28 09:19

    No moral or ethical code. These people disgust me. Could never be like us.

      Nintendo - 2011-06-28 09:38

      who's us jadedjay?

  • ChrisG - 2011-06-28 09:23

    Somebody gave that man a Bells!

      Smaal - 2011-06-28 09:28

      .. while he could. After this the ANC might just nationalize SAB.

  • Annoy - 2011-06-28 09:28


  • WhoGivesAshi - 2011-06-28 09:30

    and nothing will happen to him...

  • Boerseun - 2011-06-28 09:33

    Robert McBride, Nkola Motata, Jackson Mthembu, Menzi Simelani........

      Vernon - 2011-06-28 14:02

      Tony Yengeni

      Boerseun - 2011-06-28 22:22

      Thanks Vernon. Robert McBride, Nkola Motata, Tony Yengeni, Jackson Mtembu, Menzi Simelani,....

  • onetickie - 2011-06-28 09:36

    Gets better and better. I got a speeding fine for driving at 70kph in a 60 zone = R80.00 and had to pay it. These bastards get away with anything and everything.

  • SilentGenius - 2011-06-28 09:37

    Seems there is a major problem with alcohol abuse amongst high ranking public officials. The pity is they always get away with it with a minor fine. It is time to set a decent example!!

  • Rapier - 2011-06-28 09:38

    Motata......Potato.....Gibbs......Rogues Gallery --------->

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-06-28 09:49

    Another drunkard in a luxury car. Roll on barbarism.

  • Ian - 2011-06-28 09:49

    100% Klip How about, the drunk, the lazy and the useless

  • peter the gr - 2011-06-28 10:03

    well, everybody gets exited, jumping up and down. Its not going to change anything. He will get off spot- free and we pay the bill, as usually. And of course. . . his salary too!!!!!!!!!

  • Papsak - 2011-06-28 10:08

    Flu medication.

  • YES - 2011-06-28 10:09

    There is something about jaguar and black people and which need to be thoroughly looked into. Why is it that it is only black men found drunk driving a jaquar? Could it be another liberal ploy to keep the vehicle purely white? I mean, we never hear our people got drunk driving other cars.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-28 10:12

    We are F#cked !!!

  • Coconut - 2011-06-28 10:17

    Will end up in the same situation as Hlope. No breathalyzer taken how stupid. Will get off scott free depending on when the blood sample was taken. Hope that the blood sample was done timeously and strictly in accordance with the given protocols.

  • Kishore Doodnath - 2011-06-28 10:22

    He is just exercising a public service perk. This is one way of earning a long paid holiday - He will now go on long paid holiday while his case is being handled.

  • tightrope - 2011-06-28 10:24

    Any drunk driver should be locked up for as long as possible, be it black white,yellow or blue black- hang the buggers

  • djg - 2011-06-28 10:35

    How many of you lot have driven when you have had too much to drink??? The guy is just unlucky to have been caught

      peter the gr - 2011-06-28 10:54

      we may have, but we are not so stupid to get caught. . . that's the difference Buddy!!

  • Mart - 2011-06-28 10:35

    Drinking and driving is a criminal offence, is reckless, and we cannot afford to deal lightly with any transgressors of this law. I am grateful that the bakkie driver escaped serious injury. Driving under the influence is akin to firing a weapon into a crowd of people and must be treated as such.

  • Jim - 2011-06-28 10:40

    These are the leaders and the axample can you believe it? If they not drinking they stealing, thats wonderful.

  • Totman - 2011-06-28 10:54

    I will also be permanently drunk if I know who to prosecute, but I am not allowed to. LOL!!!

  • Theoniel Bosman - 2011-06-28 10:58

    ha ha ha...what is with the Legal System & Jaguar's?

  • Lelo - 2011-06-28 11:04

    why was the breatheliser not done????

  • call a spade - 2011-06-28 11:04

    breathalizer not used bood... samples taken the next morning...not guilty so no charge. the less braincells you have the quicker you become intoxicated. beware a idiots, dont drink and drive.

  • DarkAgeCrusader - 2011-06-28 11:08

    Nothing will come of this, he'll probably use his "get out of jail free card", that all our government officials receive when joining!

  • Herbert - 2011-06-28 11:08

    It must be the Jaguar car. No public official will ever break the law! (He says coughing into his sleeve)

  • Willow2 - 2011-06-28 11:11

    Technical Point van Hemel toe gaan Meraai sê vir Gatiep: "Djy moenie dink djy sal by die hemel se hek kan ingaan as djou asem so na drank stink nie!" Gatiep: Dja Meraai, djy hou djou baaaie slim né. Maar daar is n technical point van hemel toe gaan wat djy nie van weetie. My asem ganie saamie, ek blaas hom mos hier yt!"

  • bev18 - 2011-06-28 11:12

    Why is anyone surprised? The state of our country is in total disarray. I know one thing, having worked all my adult life to acquire property, educate our children and ensure a future for them, I am selling up as fast as I can, going into 'retirement' cottage complex, (even though I am not old, and investing my money in a safe place. That is if there is one. I will contribute to the state coffers in tax, but that is my shot. To hell with everyone, I have spent years working for charities and doing my bit. I am done. Every week the Sunday Times has headlines of another fraud or theft of the largest kind. Noit, I am done..........

  • Ettienne - 2011-06-28 11:15

    Unfortunately, one has to wait for accidents to take place with high profile people like this, before they are actually arrested. It is time that the attitude of NO MERCY, irrespective of who you are, is taken against road users. Maybe then, will we be in a position to rid the hierarchy of people like this. We should actually protest outside the court on the day he goes on trial and show our dismay at officials like this!!!!I surely hope that the Judge, should he be found guilty, sentences him in accordance with the maximum, and not minimum sentence, as he should be an example to society. Maximum sentence is R 120 000.00 and or 12 years imprisonment.

  • virtualv - 2011-06-28 11:19

    drunk as a judge heehee