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Dewani killers 'had a party'

2011-01-23 11:34

Cape Town – The two men accused of killing Swedish honeymooning tourist Anni Dewani apparently almost didn't go through with their assassination plan as they didn't have transport to the crime scene in Guguletu.

Xolile Mngeni, 23, and Mziwamadoda Qwabe, 28, were allegedly recruited by Zola Tongo to kill Anni Dewani. Tongo said he was approached by her husband, Shrien Dewani. Tongo turned state witness and was sentenced to 18 years in prison for his role in the murder.

Tongo told in a statement how Mngeni and Qwabe desperately tried to organise a ride about an hour before the murder was to take place according to the original plan.  

After the murder, which was staged to look like a hijacking-gone-wrong, there was apparently "a bit of a party" at a Sonwabo’s Place, a tavern in Khayelitsha and a favourite watering hole of the suspects. Qwabe apparently entertained others with his karaoke singing and bought drinks for everyone.

A resident said," After we heard of the party, we all wondered where he had gotten the money to buy drinks for everyone. He is someone with no money or job."

A family member of Mngeni's said his cousin had an obsession with being the only man in his peer group who had not gone through ritual circumcision, the cultural practice that separated men from boys.

"He was desperate to get money to go to the bush," said Lennox Mngeni.

"This thing always bothered him. All his friends were circumcised so he felt inferior…he felt women didn't see him as a man."

He also said the family blamed Qwabe for involving Mngeni in the crime.

      

Comments
  • Wernerkwane - 2011-01-23 11:47

    This is such a load of crap!! I also need cash, but I'm not willing to kill someone for money!

      pawsaw - 2011-01-23 14:52

      In case you are interested Young men who have not been able to find money for initiation will acctually commit suicide. I know because my housekeeper's son was determined depite his own father having abandoned him and his foster father and mother not believing in the whole party scene afterwards and refusing to help him used his first pay cheque to go and be initiated. Her foster daughter's brother committed suicide and she was terrified for ages that her son would do the same. Initiation while it is circumcision is a very different thing to western circumcision as these emn become lower ranked in the family hierarchy of society being seen as children and having to wait with the children etc. Just as some men worry about size so African men have more than size to worry about if they are not circumcised. It is a very visible sign that you have reached and had a family who will pay for you to be circumcised. Imagine the mirth and derision they suffer when they get to first base with a woman who then discovers he isn't yet a "Man". It's a vital part of their tradition and culture.

      Grant - 2011-01-23 15:08

      @pawsaw. This tradition is understood, the worries can be sympathised with. I sincerely hope that you are not trying to use this as an excuse for this 'boy' taking cash to end the life of another human being. That is unjustifiable.

      james4usa - 2011-01-23 16:03

      I applied for a spook job with the CIA in 84. They convinced me that every man has a price.

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-23 19:08

      @ paw paw - Such a silly concept behind the tradition, of circumcision "that if you are not circumcised, you are not a man." A man is someone that can take care of his family and is responsible! We should not allow our lives to be dictated by religion or tradition! We have minds of our own and should be able to make our own choices in life. Life is constantly evolving and it's by time people should stop living with a backward mentality.

      sayusayme - 2011-01-24 12:24

      From Facebook: Sharvania Ramesar I'm from sa...my friend Sunesh passed away in a hijacking 3hours ago..shot 3times in the head n chest! its devastating n heartbreaking to see what's happening to this sick country!he was shot while his mother was in the car..he was 26..that's SA for u The guys mother had a heart attach in the car and is fighting for her life. We need to get this criminals out somehow.

      Zee - 2011-01-24 17:29

      @pawsaw - so instead of taking your own life, you take someone else's? Yah, go figure - and we wonder why the crime is so violent in SA!

      David van Niekerk - 2011-01-25 09:07

      oh ok so its ok to murder in order to get Circumcised. That clears things up a bit. no wonder how country is how it is. To change the countrys crime rate just circumcise every male as there are born for free and boom no more murders yipeeee!

      David van Niekerk - 2011-01-25 09:09

      mean as they are born

      Akhezi - 2011-01-25 11:06

      @pawpaw- Yet again a very generic view of "African" culture. When are you going to start respecting Africans by stopping to generalise issues. Did you know that there are African tribes that do not practice circumcision? And what about Jewish circumcision?

      anna.tanneberger - 2011-03-07 16:52

      Kaleidoscope: re-think your comments. In white society, a man who doesn't own a 4x4 is considered less of a man. I can mention many other utterly ridiculous status symbols that white men strive for,that are NOT dictated by tradition or religion, and for lack of which, they won't get the shapely blondes girls running after them. How is that less of a backward mentality?

  • Bricktop - 2011-01-23 11:58

    Savages, Barbarians, Beasts! pick one

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-23 18:48

      Can i choose all?

      Lockstock - 2011-01-24 02:18

      Yes they are. And to think that your 'average' - a low bar I grant you -NuSAns (New unimproved South African) takes the words of these filth, over Dewani, who has been implicated by the SA media, Cele, SA Tourism and South Africans at large SOLELY on the words of the Tongolese murderer.

      sayusayme - 2011-01-24 12:14

      Qwabe & Mmgeni wanted to keep all the cash from the robbery. So how can they ensure Tonga never gets his hands on the pot? Simple, kill the girl leave her in Tongas own car for the police to hunt down. Jatten

  • Makutu - 2011-01-23 12:20

    This is one of the tragedies of poverty. People just don't THINK!

      coolwaynie - 2011-01-23 12:34

      In a normal society it's often common to steal for money. It's not common to slaughter mercilessly though. This is a sign of something deeper.

      Jackia - 2011-01-23 12:48

      Just like poverty does not mean one has to live like a pig, poverty also does not mean one has to be a savage or barbarian. Rather get off your arse, stop blaming everything for your situation, and make something of your life. Contribute towards society and your fellow man.

      kevin.vandyk - 2011-01-23 12:55

      Murder someone, get money, buy drinks for everyone? Poverty? I think you need to THINK.

      Allin - 2011-01-23 13:14

      Poverty has nothing to do with this. This is worse than barbarism.

      Makutu - 2011-01-23 13:34

      Maybe I do need to THINK yes... But why is it that it's the poor people that do these crazy crimes? You must just go visit Brazil - Rio de janeiro for a week and maybe you'll see what Barbarism is. Or Columbia. Some people are willing to do just about anything for money. They probably don't have a clue what financial literacy or efficiency is. I think some of you people are trying to suggest something about a race in South Africa. I do not want to go that route. Some of you people need to stop being ignorant. These things happen all over the world. I have a friend who was stabbed and left for dead in London.

      Makutu - 2011-01-23 13:35

      And can the enlightened please tell me how to reason this. What could motivate a person to do such a crime and spend the money so 'wisely'?

      maseratifitt - 2011-01-23 14:38

      The ANC is counting on these people's votes.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-01-23 14:39

      @Makutu. I agree that this sort of attitude is prevalent in other parts of the world. India has a lot of poverty and there is hardly any violent crime there - in a country of nearly a billion, different racial groups, huge gap between rich and poor etc etc. There are countries with a similar reputation of course, but can't we aspire to better as a nation?

      G.du Plessis - 2011-01-23 14:39

      @Makutu. I agree that this sort of attitude is prevalent in other parts of the world. India has a lot of poverty and there is hardly any violent crime there - in a country of nearly a billion, different racial groups, huge gap between rich and poor etc etc. There are countries with a similar reputation of course, but can't we aspire to better as a nation?

      Makutu - 2011-01-23 15:00

      Yes G. We can aspire to be a better nation. But I'd think that the attitide of the people on the "HAVE" side of the equation be more sensitive when they make their comments. South Africa is has the highest firearm homicide rate but it's not even on the top ten countries when comapring homicide rates to those South American countries and even Russia. There was a point where India had a higher murder rate than SA. I'm not sure how India sorted out their problems.

      kevin.vandyk - 2011-01-23 15:25

      Some countries are just violent, and excuses of poverty will not solve it ... I'm glad someone pointed out India, i live there, and in 3 years have never felt in danger. I think India has the death penalty, that might be something SA could consider.

      rottie4 - 2011-01-23 16:16

      Makutu, I don't think that's it's that people don't think, I think that there's a total lack of respect for anyone's else's property or life. That means a breakdown of the moral fabric of our society. In other words no discipline, or a discipline that can be enforced!!

      G.du Plessis - 2011-01-23 16:33

      @Makutu: I am a paramedic and see people on all sides - haves and have-nots. South Africans are so nice and friendly and the country has so much potential - I don't know why there is so much crime - I just don't have a clue. @Kevin: UK does not have death penalty and has very low murder stats compared with US states that have the death penalty. I am not sure that is the answer.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-01-23 16:36

      I do agree with you though regarding the insensitivity towards poor people by the wealthy. I think Philanthropists who care should try and think of ways to employ people - set up companies etc. We all need to work out how we can lower unemployment if it is in our power to do so. AM sure the crime would halve if the unemployment was slashed in two

      sayusayme - 2011-01-24 12:09

      Qwabe & Mmgeni wanted to keep all the cash from the robbery. So how can they ensure Tonga never gets his hands on the cash? Simple, kill the girl leave her in Tongas own car for the police to hunt down.

      Grant - 2011-01-25 11:26

      If you can organise a gun, you can organise a job!

  • allie - 2011-01-23 12:41

    IT depends on what your number is in the evolutionary chain.

      Lauren - 2011-01-25 09:38

      You do know that you are talking rubbish, right? Your comment makes you no better than those you are trying to villify. Self-righteous people like you will however not understand what I am trying to tell you.

  • Allin - 2011-01-23 12:44

    They should cut his head (top one) off, not his foreskin.

      Jackia - 2011-01-23 12:53

      If they cut off his foreskin, they should keep it and dispose of everything else.

      Bobby - 2011-01-23 12:57

      I could not have said it better myself

  • Bobby - 2011-01-23 12:56

    Could not agree with coolwaynie more...

  • Nick van der Leek - 2011-01-23 13:04

    maybe he'll become a real man in jail.

  • Alfred - 2011-01-23 13:07

    Xolile Mngeni, lets see how much of a 'man' you feel like in prison. I can't understand why people are against the death penalty. These revolting sacks of shit not only admitted to committing murder but celebrating afterwards too. Now WE have to pay to keep this filth fed and caged for the next couple of decades. String them up and let them dangle for a few days as an example.

      Bob - 2011-01-23 14:00

      Alfred, as I always like to say: 'The worst thing your enemy can do to you is to make you like them'. I'm prepared to pay my taxes so the govt can build more prisons to keep this scum locked away, I will also pay for their food. I'll no doupt do it begrudgingly because I will not bay for their blood. Unlike them I will not take any solace from the violent act, because I'm not like them.

      sayusayme - 2011-01-24 18:59

      even better light a candle under his balls and let it burn

  • v3 - 2011-01-23 13:09

    I wonder what this guy's IQ is and whether he may have been born born with foetal alcohol syndrome.

  • marco - 2011-01-23 13:16

    The uncircumcised man has a party in advance of his payoff in anticipation that Tonga would make his payment-that's wierd and confirms probably why the autopsy on this woman showed no sexual assualt to have taken place on her by these men.This guy Qwabe needs surgery straight away as he is a walking HIV/AIDS pithole or graveyard for all women to fall into you can't walk around like that man at his age still not having made the cut even when goes to prison which is where he should eventually end up once the trail for Shrein Dewani is over.It's highly unhealthy not to have done this operation when he was a young boy and now to potentially cause venereal disease spreading by being uncut is a very dangerous preposition in and around Cape Town.The Goverment should start screening grown males and get them circumcised those that ain't free of charge bearing in mind 5.5million of it's citizens are HIV positive so as to protect all people including visitor's to the country.

      Bob - 2011-01-23 13:52

      marco what are you going on about. Being uncircumcised is not a crime, neither does it render you a festering cestpool of disease. Murdering someone to get the money for a circumcision however is a crime and that is what is being discussed here.

      lianne.keiller - 2011-01-23 14:14

      Please marco, don't prove if ignorance with such comments. If u have scientific proof then show it. as long as I've been in the medical profession, I haven't seen that evidence.

      Allin - 2011-01-23 17:00

      Can you rewrite this in English please?

      Alan - 2011-01-23 18:43

      Marco needs some serious help, in many ways. Literacy to start, and then they can go for the brain - that will take a long long time. The bitterness and anger? Who knows where that comes from. Maybe he was humped by a guy still with a foreskin. Freak! Find a cliff, a high one.....

      leonretief - 2011-01-23 20:48

      So all grown men in Marco-land are screened and snipped if they are found with that criminal piece of skin that causes Aids.

      Susannomore - 2011-01-24 07:01

      Having the skin or not makes no difference to spreading VD's. And even less to do with HIV. I think you are short of sleep or something. Yes, the poverty ridden do have a higher percentage of VD and HIV/AIDS, but it has nothing to do with being circumcised

      rade8408 - 2011-01-24 21:42

      ^it infact proves the opposite...

      Lauren - 2011-01-25 09:43

      Marco is not making his point very well, granted, but it is a well-documented fact that circumcission helps prevent the spread of HIV. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=circumcision-penis-microbiome-hiv-infection

  • briansmith702 - 2011-01-23 13:37

    I wonder from which group they are from? Any guesses??

      Makutu - 2011-01-23 13:50

      And that matters so much huh? WOW!

      Lauren - 2011-01-25 09:50

      My guess is that they belong to the same group/race that nearly wiped out an entire Indian race in America when they first arrived there, the same group that comitted genocide against Jewish people in Germany. Yeah, that's it, they belong to the human race. Did I guess correctly, Brian, or does that not suit your little life agenda?

  • john - 2011-01-23 13:49

    Hands up everyone who thinks that jail will rehabilitate these vermin and turn them into model citizens?

      LGVS - 2011-01-24 17:59

      Not a chance! Once a killer, always a killer.

  • ebdg3000 - 2011-01-23 14:05

    How come this news only becomes available now?

  • thejohnsons - 2011-01-23 14:31

    If Shrien was involved in Anni's death, the choice of destination for his maniac plot must have been an absolute no-brainer. What other civilised country offers people willing to commit cold-blooded murder, blow the proceeds at a local tavern and then blame circumcision for their deeds? Should the State really continue to uphold the human rights of these aminals, or has the time come to reintroduce the death penalty and let them plead their case directly to their Maker?

  • theoldmanofthemountains - 2011-01-23 14:44

    If this report is true then the circumstantial evidence against Shrien Dewani has just taken a massive step forward. If Tongo didn't pay Mngeni and Qwabe to carry out the killing, then where did they get the money for the "after-party"? If Tongo did pay them, then where did he get the money? Whilst no-one should condone what Tongo, Mngeni and Qwabe did, Shrien Dewani has a lot to answer for.

      surferx - 2011-01-23 15:08

      They robbed Shrien of R4000-5000 if you remember. Is that money not enough to party?

      sayusayme - 2011-01-24 12:06

      massive step...tumble tumble tumble!

  • thulanikennetha38 - 2011-01-23 15:26

    @ebdg300, as i left now for work i met a journalist asking me how was the behaviour of Qwabe in the community. I ask him why he want that now he should go and ask his mother for that not me. Qwabe stays few houses from me.

      Allin - 2011-01-23 17:01

      How would the journalist's mother know how this piece of scum behaved?

      Lauren - 2011-01-25 09:52

      Allin, go look up the meaning of "obtuse", or are you really not aware that Thulani is referring to Qwabe's mother? Both scenarios are equally disturbing.

  • Perfume - 2011-01-23 18:35

    Oh gosh has Dewani become a celebrity in South Africa!!!!!

  • cam - 2011-01-23 18:42

    these people(murderers) are just plain sick and twisted, they can kill as easily as swatting a fly. killing even their mothers, brothers, grans etc.killing people is nothing to them,lynch these bast@$ds!! poverty has nothing to do with ethics, morals and murder.

      4321 - 2011-01-23 21:34

      ..

  • 4321 - 2011-01-23 21:38

    U need to me pretty smart to become as rich as Dewani, If you were that rich would you pay someone who will be implicated immediately R15K to murder anybody for you? I am glad u r asking questions ? But maybe u should ask ureself more questions?

  • Douglas - 2011-01-23 21:45

    This is beyond sick.

  • pieterdutoit47 - 2011-01-23 23:03

    And here I thought Apartheid was to blame. It is no skin off my nose if he still has a foreskin, but there must be many ways to skin a cat to get money to have your foreskin removed.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-01-24 10:46

      It seems that beauty and integrity is only skin deep in SA

  • Eish - 2011-01-24 08:00

    There are so many wackos and sickos in SA, it is shocking. The ANC blames it on poverty which is nonsense of course. Even in other African and Asian countries where povery is much worse than in SA, there is almost no violent crime. Humanity has left SA.

  • Peter - 2011-01-24 08:11

    The rich husband took advantage of the poor to do his dirty work, rightfully so they must be punished but Dewani must be brought back face the courts and then be sentenced to life. lets see what his money can bring him. Feel so sorry for her family.

      Big Bollocks - GA - 2011-01-24 08:56

      Peter ....! Where were you on the night Annie was killed?

  • 2c - 2011-01-24 08:38

    Did Mngeni go for the ritual I wonder he killed for, or was the blood money squandered?

  • slademich - 2011-01-24 08:44

    @Pawsaw: Your comment suggests that alleviating your embaressment for not being circumcised justifies taking someone else's life. The fact that you are defending it is disturbing.

  • Jelicoe - 2011-01-24 09:14

    BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!!

  • Alistair - 2011-01-24 09:19

    How can the press print some crap excuses to why these men murder and rape.... Xolile Mngeni,Mziwamadoda Qwabe,Zola Tongo,Shrien Dewani should be South Africa's 1st example after 1994 elections, DEATH ROW SUBJECTS.... A judge should sentence all these men 20 years in solitude and whipped (her age) times a week, once there jail time is up, straight to the electric chair! Most play the Roll "only God may judge", I say so send them there so he can serve his judgement. If Anni was your mom or your sister, you would want justice, 18 years is simply not enough! SA must stop with this pitiful outlook on criminals, they are dangerous and will murder and rape you and your family for a television, car, laptop, even for 20 rand... And have a "party' celebrating there achievement! When will crime in South Africa stop, when fear is bestial in criminal's that think it pays to do crime, not with "chest's out in stomach in" nonsense, but with the DEATH PENALTY. We pay Tax to keep men like this alive and housed, entertained and fed.... free in 20 years....not acceptable! Prisons don’t rehabilitate murders and rapists, prisons make men hardened criminals....FACT! Death Penalty is a must in South Africa. SA must stop making it an educational & povity issue. PUT BAD MEN TO SLEEP!!!

      LGVS - 2011-01-24 18:06

      SA government only has a pitiful outlook towards criminals, because most of the members of parliament have criminal backgrounds. Some of them murdered for the struggle they so believed in. We are fighting a losing battle against the criminal. Their buddies are in charge.

  • jakkals616 - 2011-01-24 09:24

    they should be hung end of story.

  • carinx - 2011-01-24 09:51

    that's the problem with most of the poor - when they do manage to lay their hands on some money they spend it on booze right away. See what the liquor stores look like on the days parents get their child allowances (or whatever it is called). Sickening!

  • damascus76 - 2011-01-24 10:01

    It's important to ask the question why? Why did they commit this crime? Poverty, socio-economic background, status within the community, acceptance. In order to deal with crime, we need to know the causes, if some of these issues can be identified and stats can be kept, the government will have a better chance of helping those who are more than likely to commit crimes. Yes this was a horrendous crime, but I do believe if we can help one person stay employable it will help the crime situation in this country. There is no justification for taking life, but sometimes we have to get into the heads of these criminals.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-01-24 10:50

      That is precisely why the ANC abolished the death penalty after coming into power, but they have only solved half the puzzle - they have stopped the execution of mainly black criminals, but havent come up with a plan to prevent/educate etc blah blah blah

      damascus76 - 2011-01-24 12:18

      Whilst many people out there will be "for' the death penalty, you have to agree that our justice system has to be full proof. Jury over judge, and there can be no tampering with evidence. Can you imagine an innocent person being put to death - one innocent life lost is one too many, while it can help with the overcrowding of our prisons, the question of reasonable doubt, can one person effectively rule on that.

      Bobbi T - 2011-01-24 16:32

      @damascus - no system is fool-proof - but would it not be fair to accept one innocent in every 300 executed as opposed to the seventy or eighty innocents who are murdered by those who re-offend once leaving prison after doing seven or eight years for murder?

      whitespear@24.com - 2011-01-24 17:04

      Its quite simple really. They commited the crime because they are violent savages with no remorse. Like many of their brethren they prefer to profit from crime rather than work for money. Kind of like our government officials...

      Lauren - 2011-01-25 09:57

      whitespear, what do you do in your mind with the incidents of white people who commit murder? Do you block it out so that it can fit into your scheme of our how the world works?

  • siphosonke.ndlovu - 2011-01-24 11:52

    There will never be any justication whatsoever for murder of any human being....regardless of the circumstances and/or motive!l hope the justice system will take its course. Politising this matter will not help any body... blaming government, unemployment, apartheid, whites, blacks will not help!

      Lauren - 2011-01-25 09:59

      I agree with you wholeheartedly. Neither will it help the situation to start pointing fingers and lumping people into the same category of "savages and barbarians" as the likes of whitespear do. That too is equally idiotic.

  • sayusayme - 2011-01-24 12:01

    Qwabe & Mmgeni wanted to keep all the cash from the robbery. So how can they ensure Tonga never gets his hands on the cash? Simple, kill the girl leave her in the car for the police to hunt down. Tonga is under the eyes of the cops and never makes contact to split the loot. Tonga gets caught, the police find even more robbery, murders and hence Tonga provides a plea so as to be let off the hook for previous crimes. Thats how pleas work, it is usually to hide prior events from being used.

  • Rajty - 2011-01-24 12:58

    Shrien - you are as guilty as sin. I hope Taswell sees through the lies

  • Bobinator - 2011-01-24 14:25

    sdwe

  • Lwazi - 2011-01-24 14:53

    What does circumcision have to do with anything in this case?

      Cistas - 2011-01-24 15:26

      Money so he can be circumsised. Which was very stupid of him

  • Karen - 2011-01-24 16:13

    Uhm - interesting the correlation between education, poverty and crime - what excuse do Dewani have, (IF HE IS GUILTY)- often crime is committed by wealthy, well-educated people - what is it within the human psyche that goes wrong that makes it ok to commit such a horrible crime - imagine, IF Dewani is in fact guilty, setting up this whole thing, sitting accross from her in a restaurant, sitting next to her in the car en route to have her killed - people like Dewani (IF HE IS GUILTY) - is the most frightening type - not the so-called "barbarians" ...

      sayusayme - 2011-01-24 16:32

      now imagine if he is NOT GUILTY. How easy was it to find a decent sounding honest driver to tour you around cape town during the night. I mean if he is so educated and wealthy why stoop so low down and hire 3 clowns to do this hit? and for what, 1 kinky sex session? But now you can argue that he was broke and daft. Maybe the driver was the Wealthy and Educated one.

  • Seun - 2011-01-24 17:55

    Shame, can a life of human being be so cheap? why there is no mention of where the US dollars were changed from? where did this guy changed his dollars?

  • preshengovender69 - 2011-01-25 10:23

    Did they play the : "Killers" at the party

  • preshengovender69 - 2011-01-25 10:27

    Did they play the : "Killers" at the party

  • preshengovender69 - 2011-01-25 10:28

    Did they play the : "Killers" at the party

  • preshengovender69 - 2011-01-25 10:40

    Did they play the : "Killers" at the party

  • Baas-Julius - 2011-01-25 11:36

    Just another useless excuse by a black person to try and justify why he took another persons life.

  • moongazer - 2011-02-01 15:24

    It's amazing how big a role race plays in the perceptions of people and the things they say on these forums. Annonimity allows one to let one's bigotry really hang out! I would love to be able to compare and see how different the rants would be if the killers had been white. Oooh which reminds me! Let me go check out the comments under the 'rogue white couple's murder of a police officer' story! That should be fun and enlightening!

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