Don't grant karate coach bail - parents

2011-11-18 22:36

Johannesburg - The bail application of a Johannesburg karate coach accused of sexually assaulting nine of his students at his studio was postponed on Friday.

The hearing in the Randburg Magistrate's Court will continue on November 29.

The court heard the parents of the complainants were worried about the coach being granted bail.

Investigating Officer Joel Ngobeni said the complainants were attending counselling sessions and would fear for their safety if the instructor was granted bail.

The State said new allegations of rape against the coach emphasised why he should be kept in police custody.

His lawyer, Jacques van Heerden, denied his client was someone to be afraid of.

"Has he ever attempted to hurt or intimidate the victims ever since the case was opened?" he asked.

"There is no action from him that gives substance to fear... this is not rational fear," he said.

Lured teen to hotel

The 68-year-old man is accused of indecently assaulting nine of his students.

They claim he fondled their breasts and touched their private parts.

Ngobeni told the court two more women had claimed they were sexually assaulted by the coach.

A 35-year-old woman said she was a teenager in 1988, when the coach lured her to a hotel near Johannesburg and raped her.

She claimed he had promised her a gift and that is why she thought they were going to a hotel.

Ngobeni said the coach had apparently promised her a karate qualification and promised to make her a "champion".

The second woman claimed the coach fondled her breasts when she was training at his centre in 2004, Ngobeni said.

  • Bruna - 2011-11-19 07:56

    the laywer needs to be course he did not intimidate his victims, these abusers groom their victims, let me send him a copy of my book explaining this, moron

      Grant - 2011-11-19 10:35

      Bruna, maybe the lawyer knows more about these cases than you do but he's just doing his job.

      Melissa - 2011-11-19 15:12

      How stupid he is in jail how can he intimidate his victims. I am the mom of one of them and seing all the idiots insulting the children makes me sick. They must agree with what he did!

      Melissa - 2011-11-19 15:15

      Now the hugh guy is accusing parents not to give affection to the children. I can assure you my children drown in affection. Teachers abuse their power. Who are those people who think they know everything. he will be found guilty watch!

      Hugh - 2011-11-19 15:22

      @melissa if you had taught your kids right and wrong from the start the perp would not have done a thing because your child would not have allowed that to happen. It is a simple no I do not Like that or do not do that is all it takes. But if they think it is okay then the perp will go the next step. If you care to read these people take their time to groom children. Children who need the attention and love THAT PARENTS TODAY SEEM INCAPABLE OF GIVING. Now face up to the fact that you and your partner are largely to blame.

      Melissa - 2011-11-19 15:32

      Yes Bruna Lawyers are paid to defend paedophiles so dont worry too much about what he says. We should be more worried about what the other people say. Mainly the ones trashing our children and defending the dirty old man. That is scary.

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 16:28

    Hugh. I taught my children right from the very beginning. Who are you to even question my kids education. They are all great kids. Unfortunately when a karate teacher tells a child that he has to do this to improve her karate. The child does not know. But she very quicly realised rthat this was wrong and she told me about it. Do you know the whole story super dad? I dont think so just keep quiet. Of course children that are being raped also asked for it dont they? Idiot

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 16:29

    And watch what you say Hugh.

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 17:28

    Please come forward if you are one of his victim! You can remain anonymous. It will make our case stronger. Dont be intimidated by what some of his friends say on the net. And remember the proverb "Tell me who you hang around with and I'll tell you who you are" so dont be intimidated by the people trashing and insulting the victims. You are the victims and he is the bad one. So please ignore the morons!

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 17:36

    You Know Hugh. I will ignore your idiotic comments. I do not need to use google to assess my parenting skills. I have amazing kids all highly educated. Obviously you are not the sharpest tool and you do not know what you are talking about. You are googling too much and watching too much tv. My daughter spoke to me but because of people like you some are scared to talk.

      Melissa - 2011-11-19 18:04

      Sorry I meant crackers not Hugh.

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 17:38

    And by the way Lawyers will confirm anything to make money. talk to psychologists instead and dont google as anyone can find what they want to hear on google. Some people do not need to google. I know the pervert and just so that you know one of the mom confronted him years ago.

      Cracker - 2011-11-19 18:17

      You of course know that your emotional and irrational outbursts on this and perhaps other forums will serve the defence team very well. Pull yourself together. If he is guilty then he is guilty. But we cannot have the legal system changed to suit your type of trashy argumentation. You have now with your unthinking remarks caused a lot of potential trouble. What are you going to say if some of those so-called vitims turn out to be plain weirdos and their evidence is rejected as such? You planted the seeds of cr.p with your unthinking emotional outbursts here. Now reap the cr.ppy outcome if those same delusinal witnesses take the "psychological" bait and destroy the State's case. You are in fact the big moron. Why don't you deal with my comments above? With rational replies. Don't go on a crusade to limit the rights of others with BS.

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 18:26

    Sorry cracker. I am a Mom defending trashy comments about the children (the victims) being called liars and prostitutes and parents being accused of not teaching their children and not giving them enough love who is being irrational? Read your message! Cracker - November 19, 2011 at 16:09 Report comment It is easy to destroy others with lies about sexual misconduct. All that is required is a criminal charge at a police station. Pray it is not against your husband, child, brother, father. Sssoooo EASY. Take note those shouting no bail to the suspects or accused. So accurate the one comment above about communication between sexes destroyed as a result of the fear of suspicion. Add that the hesitancy between even people of the same sex has been introduced by the BS. Don't show affection. It can be dangerous and be misinterpreted. False complaints are being laid against people every day. And to compound matters we have the inefficient and time consuming legal process. Imagine sitting in a cell with other REALLY guilty crmiminals for months and years until your case is heard or the charges withdrawn. And don't always think that your little angel is quite that innocent. Meanwhile, pray your nearest and dearest is not targeted by the nearest and dearest angel of some other parent based on plain lying, misjudgment, vindictiveness, etc.

      Cracker - 2011-11-19 18:35

      @ Melissa There is a lot of BS going around in this world. At least we should have a legal system that ALSO protects the real innocent.

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 19:19

    I agree but I know my daughter and funny that so many girls at different times would come forward. He is not innocent and I want him to pay for what he did. The sentence "And don't always think that your little angel is quite that innocent" is insulting and irational. I know my daughter and she is a great and honest kid. I will not let people trash her and make her feel that she did wrong. Get it?

      Cracker - 2011-11-19 20:14

      @ Melissa If my comment created the impression that it was specifically directed at you and your daughter then I apologise. I have never met you or your daughter. I only wish that we do not try to impose our individual sense of fairness and biase on others. Too much damage are being caused by real rubbish who will accuse others without blinking. And I mean REAL RUBBISH. But then there are also the delusionals. They believe themselves. Sorry, but that is the way the world is. We must never allow our innocent peoples and their relatives to have to pay the penalty for our legal system's inability or even our societal inabilities to deal with the real guilty effectively. We will always have to deal with imperfections but for god's sake don't penalize the really innocent. And it has to be emphasized that there are some really nasties out there. Or is it something else at work? Implicating and fantasizing.

  • Melissa - 2011-11-19 20:17

    Poor vegi. Please keep up to date. some crimes happened 23 years ago some 2 months ago. So please dont comment on what you do not know or try to get an update. Check the casa pia case in portugal . People came forward 25 years later because they were scared of people like you. The paeddophiles were still punished. Dont insult our children. The guy has been doing it for years and trial will prove it.

      Irene - 2011-11-19 20:44

      Try taking a Valium. You're hysterical.

      Levett - 2011-11-20 11:21

      Melissa calm down to a panic please. This case is obviously driven by the instructor's ex-wife but still, if he is really guilty the court will charge him accordingly.

      Jean - 2011-11-20 22:23

      @Levett, please state the obvious???????? I am assuming that you know "BOTH PARTIES" stories, to make a comment like that???? Clearly NOT!!!!

  • Thomas - 2011-11-20 15:09

    As one of the victims (i am female). I would just like to point out that if he is innocent until proven are WE! so everyone should just butt out until the judge makes a decision. At the end of the day, WE are the ones that know the truth, and whatever you have to say will not affect the decision made. FYI, dont bring parents into this, consider the fact that as a child, if you grow up with a man for over 5 years, and you have a passion for your sport, and you look up to him because he teaches you, if you're only 13, you might actually believe what he says...up to a certain point. and if you kept up to date, you would see that we did try to do something back in the day, but in order to open a case, we were told we needed more girls and proof.

  • Melissa - 2011-11-20 22:39

    Thank you Cracker. You will see that I was not wrong.I appreciate your apologies. I know my kid and she is a great girl she would never harm anyone so lets talk again when the case is over (and I know another girl since she was 5) great kid too.I dont need a valium as some moron say but let see what happens. All I am asking is for people to stop insulting the children. Please!

  • Melissa - 2011-11-22 14:12

    Good news! More victims came forward!

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