E-tolls: Govt may hold back announcement

2012-10-04 17:50

Cape Town - The government's announcement on e-tolling in Gauteng may be delayed, the inter-ministerial committee (IMC) on the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project said on Thursday.

Spokesperson Thabo Masebe said in a text message: "It [e-tolling] is still on, but the time has not yet been set because of another meeting with stakeholders. The announcement may even be delayed until Saturday."

The "stakeholders" mentioned apparently include the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu).

Earlier on Thursday, Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven said the government would be "jumping the gun" if it went ahead with the announcement.

He said Cosatu would meet the IMC on Friday morning.

"The absurd thing is we have a meeting with them [the IMC] tomorrow [Friday], on the same day as the announcement. Let's hope this works out... but it looks like someone has blundered," he said.

Responding to questions on what action Cosatu would take should the government announce that e-tolling was going ahead, Craven said: "Our campaign of opposition will be back into top gear... we will take to the streets."

"Let's hope they hold back," he said.

Cosatu has mounted a strong campaign against e-tolling, maintaining it is the wrong way to raise money for the country's freeway systems.

The government's plans to introduce e-tolling in Gauteng have provoked massive opposition from motorists and residents of South Africa's economic heartland.

On Wednesday, Masebe said the IMC, which is chaired by Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe, would "be making an announcement on Friday, on how the e-tolls will be implemented".

He said it was possible to have a solution that satisfied everyone, as the government and relevant parties were much closer after the consultations than earlier this year.

There was general agreement on the user-pays principle, Masebe said.

On Thursday, Craven said Cosatu did not support the user-pays principle.

He repeated a call for the public not to buy e-tags, and said there were "huge numbers of people, beyond Cosatu" who were opposed to e-tolling.

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-10-04 17:59

    Thet won't stop until they have milked every last cent out of the good people of this country. I wonder what form their next money-making scheme will take? The mind boggles!

      hamish.drake1 - 2012-10-04 18:09

      Clearly COSATU were not as easily bribed as the goverment thought - 2012-10-04 18:20

      ag man if you guys read the news more often you will see that one of the top members in cosatu has a stake in a company that is going to be part of the e-tolling. So it seems as if they are opposing it but in actual fact they are trying to take the attention from them. All these damn bastards do is scheme and steal from us, coz that's all they know. Running a country is not in their set of skills

      max.reynecke - 2012-10-04 18:21

      The only two things left to tax is air and sex.

      carla.vittori3 - 2012-10-04 18:41

      @max - they are already taxing our air - look at the new carbon tax being levied.

      BulletProof. - 2012-10-04 18:54

      "it looks like someone has blundered" I think everything is bludered in this country.

      adam.gardener.12 - 2012-10-04 19:04

      It looks as if cosatu is wagging the anc spear.

      heathway.master - 2012-10-04 21:38

      I am convinced that SANRALS e-tolling system will eventually be a huge success. The minority in this country have been taught from very young, never ever to disobey authority, but meekly fall victim to whatever is being forced onto them. Like lambs to the slaughter, once Government threatens to introduce harsh legislation to deal with non payment, the queues for e-tolls will stretch all the way around the block. The majority on the other hand do not care a continental dam for showing any respect of authority. The number of them that pay, in my estimate will be miniscule. The full burden of tolling will yet again be carried on the shoulders of the usual suspects, while the majority just thumb their noses at all threats Government makes. It has never been their culture to blindly respect authority, and it never will. And guess what folks, they will be right, and if you have the correct sounding surname, you will carry on with your disobedience with complete immunity from any legal consequences. The entire e-toll system depends on a sufficient number of e-tags being bought. You are doing nothing more than signing an irrevocable stop order on your banking account, to pay SANRAL irrespective of any financial hardships you may be facing. SANRAL comes first in the line of debtors. Every time you pass a gantry, your cell phone will bleep, and SANRAL will get instantaneous payment. SANRAL knows that if it had to rely on the billing system, it would be logistically dead in the water .

      john.smit.121772 - 2012-10-04 21:42

      They are thinking of a way to explain this corruption. Maybe tapes or a political conspiracy or medical parole

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-04 21:58

      If taxis were paying as well, I'd give the whole concept a vague thought before never buying an e-tag, but until the taxis pay as well, THEY CAN SWIVEL AND SING THE ANTHEM OUT THEIR BACKSIDES!!!! What's good for one is good for another.

      stirer.kathray - 2012-10-05 06:15

      One way or another, we are going to have to pay for road maintenance. I don't have a problem with "user pays". What I do object to is that most of the money collected goes towards the bunch who are collecting the money, and towards the cost of finding the non-payers and fining them. If the way the government runs the lottery, or the way the ANC runs municipalities, then it is a disaster before it begins. I'd rather pay an additional levy on petrol. That way at least, we would pay substantially less, and the method of collection is already in place. There would less open door to corruption and mismanagement. AND at least he money would stay in the country.

      Tee.Matimba - 2012-10-05 08:27

      maybe i should trade my car for a taxi... - 2012-10-05 10:54

      @stirer.kathray - You damn uneducated fool. Don't you know anything about why we pay tax? Some very educated people a very long time ago decided that in order for a country to maintain it's roads and public facilities, the people of that country should pay a percentage of their income towards achieving this. So you uneducated fool, the percentage we are paying is more than adequate to maintain the roads and facilities. The problem is dumb ass, your government is stealing the tax money, that is why there is not enough money to maintain the roads. So just to bring you in the loop: Licence renewals on a yearly basis, e-tolling, parking levies, etc. is all just new ways the government is trying to make up for the money stolen by their useless employees. Get a grip man, catch a wake up

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-10-04 18:00

    The user already bloody well pays through exhorbitant fuel prices and levies! Stuff E-Toll, stuff spying on me!

  • steve.blignaut - 2012-10-04 18:02

    LOL - Like the tax payers in SA give a flying f*ck... I wont pay, ive paid enough.

      Tee.Matimba - 2012-10-04 18:05

      I am very much with you, I struggle with my bills already. I might as well quit my job seeing that i spend all my money going there anyway

  • Tee.Matimba - 2012-10-04 18:03

    Clear solution, scrap e-toll and if we really have 20 billion to pay back, add (50c-R1) to the Gauteng petrol levy(since the e-toll is suppose to be here only anyway) and use it to pay back, this would be much easier and they could just wire the money straight to paying the debt...less administration fee and corruption. and after couple of years,when the debt is paid off, you can remove the added levy again with less admin.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-04 18:12

      They don't NEED 50c a liter. They've agreed to 20 years to pay back this monster. They can add 1c a liter to pay back over 20 years, and another 1c a liter to maintain their monster without having to borrow again. Plus, it need not be only for Gauteng, because SANRAL's own documents show they plan to take this monster to all the metros once it's been shown to work in Gauteng.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-04 18:14

      Or perhaps those lazy ones behind the SANRAL counters in the shopping malls are about to strike for R20k a month too...

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-10-04 18:42

      I don't use the highways hence I do not want a levy added to the petrol price.

      rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-10-04 21:21

      The rest of the country benefits from tax generated through the corporates who are mostly based in Gauteng. Tax is distributed accross the country and even poor Provinces like the Eastern Cape benefits from it. The whole country can help pay through a general minimal fuel levy increase (ringfenced). The collection method is in place and will cost nothing extra. The issue for me is not the "paying for the road" part, it is paying for the tolling i.e. collection portion. And the fact that someone's going to make a profit from it.

      loading123 - 2012-10-05 07:54

      @gerhard... I'm sure you can afford a mere 50c/tank of petrol? If you fill up 4 times a month.... R2/month extra. If they bring in the tolls, people that use the highway sit with another +-R600 bill per month. That is going to impact food prices etc. You will be paying another R400/month for groceries amongst other things

      denise.herbst.5 - 2012-10-05 07:57

      Gerhard - you need to consider the bigger picture. You may not use the highway but I am pretty sure you eat. Do you think the food producers and distributors are going to swallow the cost of the tolls?

  • kim.buren - 2012-10-04 18:05

    I can hold back permanently getting an E=tag. Knobs

      boltonbarry - 2012-10-04 18:43

      I am with you

      kim.buren - 2012-10-04 18:49

      Hopefully ALL Gauteng Bolton

      boltonbarry - 2012-10-04 19:04

      No i know of people who bought theirs even as they said it is on hold

      denise.herbst.5 - 2012-10-05 08:01

      Those people are like the people who vote for the ANC bolton - they deserve what they get! When Sanral debits their accounts with R10 000 by mistake then they will have the same kind of fun getting their money back as when other incompetent government departments like City of Joburg stuff up your account and you have to pay first and ask questions later.

      leon.groenewald.scuba.33 - 2012-10-05 10:28

      I stand with you! I will not be electronically tagged ones more it's bad enough anyone can track your cell phone; but to voluntarily stick a transponder in your car is ludicrous. We have already paid for these roads; therefore I object to the further costs the government wants to heap upon us. I also object to the intrusion on privacy. Where I drive and when is my affair and should not be a matter of public record. For that reason I totally object to the gantries and cameras installed. I do not consent to have my vehicle or myself photographed. I do not even consent to it even if I am speeding; but our parents set a president when they ratified photographic speed traps without protesting. I do not wish to have a Big Brother!

  • - 2012-10-04 18:06

    they still want their jobs after Mangaung... it will be delayed until after that...

  • bakers.dozen.14 - 2012-10-04 18:08

    What a waste of time effort and technology . imagine if we did not redecorate the presidents palace get him a new fly toy and now the etoll waste, not to mention the other 100 or more failed money laundering schemes . if all this was pooled you could give everyone a Xmas bonus of R 15,000 and smile. That would have bought some votes. Idiots.

  • dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-04 18:10

    Taking to the streets won't do a thing. They're used to it. Actually, they've taught you that. Threaten them your votes. Threaten them with withholding your vote at the next general election. Then they'll listen. Either that, or you don't have the support you need, or you deserve the government you get.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-10-04 18:10

    Can the whole thing and fire the 1diots who assumed the public will agree to be skinned!!

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-10-04 18:31


  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-10-04 18:34

    Should the dumb sh*t ANC know what's good for them they'll back off on this sh*t idea !! Miners truck drivers car workers rolling mass action will scare away foreign investment even more !! Not to mention S&P Moodys Fitch et al having a field day !!

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-04 18:42

    Viva ANC,, VIVA!!!

  • gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-04 18:50

    Lets take to the streets with our hand made weapons and strike. Seems to be the in thing at the moment, with great results!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-04 21:56

      Don't forget to grab the obligatory branch off the nearest tree :-)

  • anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-10-04 18:55

    "There was general agreement on the user-pays principle, Masebe said." ...Really?? Exactly who is in general agreement? Donald Duck and Alice in Wonderland? Can the govt. be completely deaf, blind & stupid all at the same time? Sure...looks like it.

      George - 2012-10-04 21:01

      There is surely general agreement that this government has lost its legitimacy, killing its people, looting the treasury, lying and stealing. Looks like the African Spring may be just around the corner...

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-10-04 19:35

    Mangaung again?

  • ian.huntly - 2012-10-04 19:38

    The sheer arrogance of the government still astounds me. Effectively what I am hearing in the latest round is something like "Oops we meant that we will have a whitewash meeting with Cosatu on Friday and so that it does not look like we have decided what we want to do anyway regardless of the input, we will announce our decision to force this through on Saturday so it looks like we listened" Let's have a referendum - That is real democracy and the choices are: - Pay exhorbitant tolls with most profit feeding Austrian bank accounts - Pack all the collection gantries into containers and send back to Austria and just pay for the roads - Add the 1 or 2 cents to the fuel across the country as a) all towns cities need better roads & b) we all would prefer to keep cross town traffic out of our congested cities for economic and safety reasons. Pravin bleats that SA will take a beating when needing to borrow, rubbish. We all know that the international financiers have short memories, especially given that our bonds yield far more than nearly every other country in the world. They will be back with cheap loans very quickly.

  • George - 2012-10-04 20:56

    Do NOT REGISTER for e-tolls. Don't pay for what you already own. Don't support corruption. Civil disobedience is the only way. It destroyed the British empire in India and it will surely eliminate the cANCer society bedeviling South Africa. Support OUTA and Judge Bill whose understanding of our constitution far surpasses that of our Con-Court (aptly named).

  • irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-04 21:54

    Make as many announcements as you like cANCer. Hold back on as many announcements are you like cANCer. WE ARE NOT PAYING! I'm quite happy for these thieving, corrupt scum to lock me up, but I WILL NOT PAY for something I HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR!! How come the entire Gautrain project cost R26bn from start to finish and what are they saying it cost to one extra lane to an existing highway?? ENOUGH CancER ENOUGH! Stand on your head and whistle the anthem out your backside BUT WE ARE NOT PAYING.

  • emmanuel.roodt - 2012-10-05 03:22

    What about allowing us the public to borrow money directly from the South African Reserve Bank, thus cutting out the high interest asked by our local banks. From here we could be adding more to our pensions and the interest on a house over 20 -30 years will be way LESS!!?

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-10-05 06:32

    Do I see government squirming to find a way out of this hole? Becomes dificult when there is a threat of revolution from the rank and file... Arab spring becoming African summer?

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-10-05 06:47

    User pays huh? We pay for every liter of fuel we buy which a portion of it goes to road maintenance. Chances are that if you buy fuel, you will be on a PUBLIC road – so we already pay. The problem is that these funds are diverted to anc coffers and plundered. This is double taxation, a get rich scheme concocted by the anc puppet masters. Say no to corruption, say no to etolling. Why the details are not made public? Why is sanral not letting journalists and COSATU know the truth – why, because they have a lot to hide, this all corrupt to the core. To condone corruption is to get tagged. No to etolling on public roads.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-10-05 07:15

    The ANC government is more afraid of COSATU than logic reasoning because COSATU and it's thug members only know one method of negotiation and that is the destruction of state and private property. The government is powerless to deal with this!

      Tee.Matimba - 2012-10-05 08:32

      But COSATU as a stake in the e-toll monster...

  • Hemlock - 2012-10-05 08:35

    Repeat after me.....I will not buy an e-tag..........This Government already has more than enough of my hard earned cash! All the money they have stolen from the SA coffers would be more than enough to have paid for this abortion, but NO.....the sucker citizens of SA, as always, are bled even more dry!

  • leighann.herselman - 2012-10-05 08:56

    I refuse to buy an e-tag...if they want me to pay, they can send me a bill. I wont allow any corrupt government department to just take money out of my bank acoount. I wonder how long it will be before you can get a fruadulent e-tag and make someone else pay?

  • flysouth - 2012-10-05 10:41

    DO NOT BUY AN E-TAG! That action ALONE finishes the entire toll system.

  • shaylene.stenger - 2012-10-05 11:01

    well atleast the taxis can cause havoc on the high way now and not the urban areas:o)

  • glen.clark.37669 - 2012-10-08 08:20

    Well, I guess I'm just going to have to learn to Toyi-toyi(dance when I'm unhappy!)!! Go COSATU, I'll be with you on the streets that day!

  • andrew.surtees1 - 2012-10-08 10:42

    i promise i wont pay for this crap, this is the biggest scam ever! we already pay out our ass's for tax which go to Zuma's house and now this, i promise rather arrest me cause i will not pau for this! we the people have already gone against this and yet they still try go ahead without the peoples concent, we really need to all stand against this!

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