ECape circumcision toll at 14

2010-12-17 11:32

Cape Town - The summer circumcision season death toll in the Eastern Cape has risen to 14, the provincial health department said on Friday.

Spokesperson Sizwe Kupelo said the latest deaths included youths in the Qumbu and Cofimvaba areas of Transkei.

The figure included a 19-year-old who died in Butterworth Hospital on Tuesday after circumcising himself with a knife on Tuesday.

Every year, dozens of youths die in the Eastern Cape after undergoing traditional circumcision.

The health department says most of the deaths are related to untreated infection of the wound, or to dehydration and attendant complications.

  • Zoolie - 2010-12-17 11:41

    I would hate to be a parent who sends his child to these rutials. Anyway they believe its the only way to become a man, then let it be.

      sganja - 2010-12-17 13:51

      Yes is the only way,so if you didnt go there you are not a man at all.Forward with our culture forward.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 14:13

      @squanja, So are you not a man if you go to a docter to have the procedure done? I agree with Zoolie, how do you send your child for a cricumcision, knowing he may not come back alive from it?

      sganja - 2010-12-17 15:12

      G-man Many boys come back alive,even a 11 years boy can come alive.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 15:24

      Sqanja, Answer this question. Can't the procedure be done at a docter, where there is no fatality rate?

  • Mike - 2010-12-17 12:45

    Wake up you IDIOTS it 2010 not 1600

  • Mike - 2010-12-17 12:54

    Wake up you ignorant fools its 2010 not 1600. Let the proper doctors do it at least the boys will survive .As for burning people on suspision of witch craft Europe was burning people for witchcraft many hundreds of years ago, just shows how far behind Africa is. it time the Africans start moving forward. good god you are an ignorant race.

      Bhuga - 2010-12-17 13:32

      Ja Mike... It is understandeble for you to say something like that, sins you don't have any culture and I take it that you are white.... So shut the F***k up... And keep your comments to yourself.

      Snoopy88 - 2010-12-17 13:49

      Who the hell are you to judge people about their cultural rituals? Would you say the same thing to your Jewish friends or other groups who practice circumcision? You don't know anything about the ritual and what it entails so rather just keep quiet.

      sganja - 2010-12-17 13:52

      Mike Where do you stay?I can volunteer to take you to the school so that you can be a man and stop posting useless comments.

      cosmic_99 - 2010-12-17 13:54

      Bhuga, So, because you are black and apparently 'have a culture', do you agree with this practice? At what point does one decide that "culture" is wrong and perhaps damaging to one's health? If an elder in your tribe told you that it was cultural to jump into the fire, would you do it? There comes a time when traditionalism becomes synomomous with ignorance..... you cannot just carry on doing something because your ancestors did it... at some point, in the name of progress old ideas have to be shed. I think this is one of those moments...

      KaiinSA - 2010-12-17 15:29

      I'm sure the only culture has is growing between his toes.

      KaiinSA - 2010-12-17 15:29

      That was aimed at Bhuga :-)

  • Bhuga - 2010-12-17 14:08

    @cosmic_99 For many years we where told that our culture is crap and because of people who never took time to learn and understand the culture. In your world "old ideas should shed in the name of progress" No wonder the world is a fucked up place... I take it You don't go 'circumcision'... So why am I talking to you...

      cosmic_99 - 2010-12-17 15:58

      I am not suggesting your culture is 'crap'. I am suggesting that youngsters losing their lives because of a cultural practice is appalling. You are an extremely aggressive individual and clearly do not like white people. Your president likes to explain his multiple wives and hundreds of children as CULTURE. However, there is a little problem called AIDS that has started to challenge such activities. People can carry on killing each other by senselessly shagging IN THE NAME OF CULTURE, or they can adapt to the current times. Similarly, young boys can carry on cutting off their willies and watch them drop off because of infection, IN THE NAME OF CULTURE, or ADAPT to the current times. I am not even sure why I am talking to you either, to be honest. You can defend your barbaric practices and the resultant unnecessary deaths. Whatever works for you and your dead buddies......

      cosmic_99 - 2010-12-17 17:44

      You state that whites have never taken the time to learn about and understand your culture. Yet, you so flippantly state earlier that white people DONT HAVE A CULTURE. I can assure you that we do, and it is diverse and widespread. So, who is guilty now of not even trying to understand the other side......mmmmmm.

  • Treborani - 2010-12-17 14:10

    They should cut the whole thing off, not just the tip. Africa would be a much better place...

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 14:47

      Without racist people in this country, ANC and you included, this would be a better country!

      cosmic_99 - 2010-12-17 15:59


  • briansmith702 - 2010-12-17 14:19

    Do these blacks never learn???

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 14:49

      Generalising like that will not make this country a better place.

  • briansmith702 - 2010-12-17 14:23

    WE are constantly reminded by the blacks that they are not backward and we do not understand their culture. Well if understanding their culture is for 100 youths to die each year needlessly fo;;owing this uncontrolled ritual then thank heavens for not understanding their culture because only fools and ignorami would follow this bizarre ritual.

      sganja - 2010-12-17 15:08

      Not all the provinces have high rate of children death,just we are still following it....correctly

      SA1 - 2010-12-19 00:26

      This is AFRICA!@!!,this is how it is ,LIFE IS CHEAP,will you whites EVER understand black african culture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sedick - 2010-12-17 14:26

    Aside from the uncalled for racist comments, I think that it is 2010, and no-one should be dying from circumcision. AND it is not a cultural thing that makes it acceptable to die - CRAP. Muslims and Jews have been doing it for centuries, and you don't hear that their children die...........most of the time it is done by doctors at a very young age. Why is it that we tend use "culture" to excuse stupidity. Then again, is SA we use "culture" to even excuse corruption - as in it is part of the culture to give gifts. SO we give gifts of millions to corrupt politicians and Administrators........

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 15:01

      Well made point @ Sedick, which i fully agree with, and without any racist slander, it actually shows a huge lack of intelligence on behalf of those making racist statements.

  • G_MAN - 2010-12-17 14:28

    It is in the africans culture to have a circumcsion so that he can become a man right. So are you not a man if you go to a docter to have the procedure done?

      sganja - 2010-12-17 15:06

      Yes you are just bogus man,you need to know man things is not only the procedure.then knowing those things you can qualify to be a man....understand!!!!

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 15:30

      Sqanja, You are actually just ignorant and quite brainless actually, in fact i don't even know why i'm responding to an idiot like you.

  • Nam - 2010-12-17 14:38

    If you partake in pre-historic pratices, you must pay the bill. Sorry guys !!

  • Zion - 2010-12-17 15:11

    Why does our nation never learn from its mistakes? With all the deaths over the last couple of years the ritual still continues killing young men. If these bush surgeons were charged with murder would it help? Why not create a "bush clinic" based on cultural lines and man it with qualified personel who can safely carry out the procedure.

      KaiinSA - 2010-12-17 15:36

      a very good point well made there Zion but then I do wonder if it is so important to their culture and forms only a part of what it takes to become a man then why did that 19yo cut his own off (says crossing my legs at the thought of the sheer pain that lad went through while hacking his own foreskin off). Something has to be done to help these young men, the Jews and Muslims have adapted with the advancement of modern medicine why can't the elders and chiefs look at these in ways to benifit their own people?

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 16:53

      Why not just go to a professional, educated docter.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-17 17:04

      There are already clinics and educated docter's all over the country for them to go and do the procedure. Why must we waste our tax money to send personel to the bush.@Zion

      cosmic_99 - 2010-12-17 17:49

      Zion, If they go to clinics and hospitals to have this procedure, who do you think is paying? It will still be us - there is no difference

      Zion - 2010-12-18 07:52

      Ok, G_MAN, you win this round. There are qualified doctors and none in the bush. The people prefer to go to the bush and have the procedure with a rusty razor blade because there are no doctors there. So let them die. They were looking for it so it is not our fault. You come over as an intelligent person but your aim is not to add to the discussion but rather win it with balderdash and poppycock. Cock, and throw a very subtle racial card into the discussion. Give him 3cheers gents.

      Zion - 2010-12-18 08:04

      cosmic 99, How about we all take a small step which translates to a giant step to mankind (Colored like a kaleidoscope - G_MAN)and insist he or she who wants a tooth extracted pays for itself. And He who wants a bit of his cock cut off also pays for it himself too. Or a self-operation may also be an option.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-18 09:29

      @Zion - Yep proud to cloured.

      G_MAN - 2010-12-18 09:31

      @Ziion - I mean, proud to be coloured.

  • Freddy - 2010-12-17 15:45

    when are u going to stop this sencless killing? There are hospitals who can do the same and safe!!

      Zion - 2010-12-18 08:09

      Hospitals, it seems, fly in the face of the culture. I am sure the cock-cutters too get a bit on the side. The chances of survival is stacked but in the quest to be a man you have a good chance of dying first.

  • Kevin Rack - 2010-12-18 08:28

    Last year over 200 kids died in South Africa from circumcision. This a culture of complacency. These rituals have been going on for centuries and yet we are not able to have a system that prevents these known deaths to occur. Forget race, this is a failure of the government to manage and or regulate a simple and predictable yearly occurrence.

      Rhiannon - 2010-12-19 14:53

      I think the idea with these dangerous bush wack-jobs is that they ARE supposed to be done in the worst conditions with the most primitive, tetanus-on-a-stick type instruments! It's blatantly obvious that the idea behind this bit of "culture" is to in fact SURVIVE this thing. Therefore, going to have it done in sterile hospital conditions defeats the object. IF you survive this trauma, you are a man, if you die, you were a wussy anyway. That's why it's not seen as murder and the govt turns a blind eye. We need to understand this so as to stop upsetting ourselves over this yearly occurance. To a western mind this is cruel and insane, but to our indigenous tribes this is "theirĀ£ way, and you can see how defensive they get when you try and convince them to stop this, or at least go to a hospital! No folks, this is the yard-stick by which they measure a man, and have done so for millenia and it will take a few thousand years plus before this will go away.

  • jmuyanga - 2010-12-18 16:19

    kaala, I am an African from a different part of the continent where we are not bound by all this 'kultcha' nonsense. We have evolved with the times. If my child needs a circumcision, I'll take him to the nearest hospital, certainly not to some dangerous quack out in the bush with a rusty razor blade!!!!!! Wake up You Pondos.....

  • SA1 - 2010-12-19 00:27

    This is AFRICA!@!!,this is how it is ,LIFE IS CHEAP,will you whites EVER understand black african culture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply to SA1 | 1 reply ()

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